Smalltalk promotion in China

[Serge Stinckwich]

Hi all,
i'm a french Smalltalker living in Ha Noi (Vietnam) at that moment and
i'm also a member of ESUG board. ESUG (European Smalltalk User Group)
is non-profitable association. Our main aim is to promote the use of
the Smalltalk programming language and also to support local Smalltalk
User Group everywhere. We organize a conference with more than 130
people in Europe. Look at our web site for more details:
http://www.esug.org/

I would like to help the promotion of Smalltalk in Asia. I started to
put some numbers about the existing Smalltalk (or Squeak) Users Groups
and mailing-list here:
http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/wikka.php?wakka=SmalltalkInAsia

I'm aware of two chinese Squeak mailing-lists, but the traffic of
these two mailing-lists are quite slow ... I know that some people in
China are interested by using Smalltalk for doing business and not
only using Squeak for doing fun stuff. Nothing wrong about doing crazy
or fun stuff, but in order to have a more bigger community, we need to
put together all aspects of Smalltalk.

Maybe one idea is to close existing mailing-lists and to launch a new
mailing-list called Smalltalk-cn for all the Smalltalk flavors
(Squeak, Pharo, Dolphin Smalltalk, Gnu Smalltalk, VisualWorks, VSE,
...). What do you think about this idea ? Maybe you have better one to
promote Smalltalk in China ?

ESUG can also give some funds if some of you want to setup a
non-profitable association for a Chinese Smalltalk User Group. Please
contact me if you want to have more details. If you write an article
in a magazine about Smalltalk, you could ask us also some support :
http://www.esug.org/wiki/pier/Promotion/Article

We have also more promotions actions here:
http://www.esug.org/wiki/pier/Promotion

I hope to be able to come in China (Beijing and/or Shanghai) in the
future in order to meet some of you :-)

Regards,
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Serge Stinckwich
UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam
Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
http://doesnotunderstand.org/

[J G]

I'm like to promote Smalltalk in China however I wonder if it deserves the time and efforts. Since there is very little real interests in using non-mainstream languages here.

2010/9/27 Serge Stinckwich <serge.st...@gmail.com>

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[Serge Stinckwich]

2010/10/5 J G <jimg...@gmail.com>:

> I'm like to promote Smalltalk in China however I wonder if it deserves the
> time and efforts. Since there is very little real interests in using
> non-mainstream languages here.

Hi,
thank you for your reply. What are the mainstream languages in China
at the moment ?
You know mainstream languages have not been mainstream at the beginning ;-)

Regards

[liizii]

Hi all,

I like Smalltalk very much, and I wonder to join the CSUG, if need some help, just tell me.

在 2010-10-05二的 09:19 +0800，J G写道：

[liizii]

in my opinion, mainstream is business not technology.
Smalltalk have the advantage of others. if we like it, we should to promote it. let more people know about it.

在 2010-10-05二的 14:51 +0700，Serge Stinckwich写道：

[Xinyu LIU]

Hi,

I just read the ``programmer'' magazine of Oct/2010 (a domestic popular magazine in China).
There is an article about interview with Ralph Johnson and Joe Armstrong for OOP.
the Original one was in:
http://www.infoq.com/interviews/johnson-armstrong-oop
Somebody helped translate it into Chinese.

I always think such work (translate and introduce good articles about Smalltalk to Chinese readers)
helps promote Smalltalk.

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-Liu

2010/10/6 liizii <libo...@gmail.com>

[J G]

+1
and it also helps to convert some of those "programming teachers" in middle school or university to Smalltalkers.

2010/10/8 Xinyu LIU <liuxi...@gmail.com>

[J G]

Most used/taught languages might be in the Java/C family while Python/Ruby sees some projects these days in an addition to JavaScript/PHP for web programming I think. 
Several Python programmers have been promoting Chinese native programming in Python since as early as 2002 I recall, with ancient Python versions that Chinese support was in fact poor. And when one day
I told one of them hey you can do Chinese programming in Smalltalk with a VW or VA(once had a free version) Smalltalk and he said "wow I can't believe it and I don't believe it".
As I can see people who have heard of Smalltalk would like to talk about it with admiration but are seldom interested enough to taste it and get a feeling. Seaside seems to be attractive to some a little while ago but I don't know if there has been any projects done in it. Now they might be well satisfied with RoR.
I myself not a paid programmer for any organization and I won't sell my work so I can choose my languages freely. It's not the case for most of others I think.

2010/10/5 Serge Stinckwich <serge.st...@gmail.com>

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[Serge Stinckwich]

Maybe you don't know, but ESUG is giving some money to people that are
doing some articles in magazine about Smalltalk.
More about this here: http://www.esug.org/wiki/pier/Promotion/Article

Regards,

2010/10/8 Xinyu LIU <liuxi...@gmail.com>:

[Serge Stinckwich]

2010/10/5 liizii <libo...@gmail.com>:

> Hi all,
>
> I like Smalltalk very much, and I wonder to join the CSUG, if need some
> help, just tell me.

Maybe one idea to start is to have one mailing-list for all Smalltalk
flavors, after that you could organize some small meetings at the
beginning just to know each others.
Make some noise about Smalltalk ;-)

ESUG could help you to support the creation of a Smalltalk China User
Group with some money. One strong requirement is to have a
non-profitable organization and to tell us what do you want to do with
our support.