Vierra/Vieira Family
Liner89
I am finally getting information to help with the family history on my
husband's side of the family. Last night his mother gave me a
handwriiten letter (in English) from 2002 from a cousin of her's that
had a lot of names but no dates. But I have an island in the Azores of
where to center her side of the family - Flores, but no name of a
village. My mother-in-law's great grandfather, Jose Rodrigues Vierra
married his first cousin, Maria da Trinidade. Jose had no known
siblings. Maria had 7 sisters and 1 brother. Jose and Maria had 10
children: Maria, Maria Jesus, Joaquina, Emilia, Francisco, Raulino,
Jose, Antonio, John and Lauriano.
I know this is not probably a lot to start off with but I am happy she
rememebered she had the letter...lol.
Carolina in CA
Researching: Vierra/Vieira, Rodrigues, da Trinidade in Flores, Azores
Cliff Nye
Hello and glad to see you posting. I don't recall your name from the past.
Anyway, I have checked one of the books I have for the Ilha das Flores,
which was written by Francisco Gomes and is titled "Familias da Ilha das
Flores-Vila das Lajes e freguesias da Fazenda e do Lajedo-1757-1888"
I have found your Ggrandfather, José Rodrigues Fieira, in the book. He was
23 years old when he married Maria da Trinidade(24 years old-) on 9-19-1867
in the Nossa Senhora do Rosário parish in Lajes. It says that they lived on
the upper road in Fazenda, which, at that time, was part of the Rosário
parish but later had their own. They had several children:
Francisco, born 5-24-1870
Jose born 6-12-1871
Maria born 3-17-1874
Maria born 6-17-1876
António born 10-8-1878
António born 8-8-1879
João born 7-16-1880
Raulino born 9-20-1881
Joaquina born 12-30-1882, died 1-29-1883
Ana born 6-22-1884
Emília born 8-19-1885
His parents were António Rodrigues Vieira and Maria da Trindade. They were
married on 4-26-1838 . Her parents were Francisco José Vieira and Isabel
Maria. They had several children:
Francisco born 2-8-1839
Maria born 11-27-1842
José born 3-23-1844
Maria born 1-6-1846
I have attached a copy of the page from the LDS Family History Library
showing the microfilm roll numbers for Nossa Senhora do Rosario, your family
parish. Just pick out the one that you want if you want to get the baptismos
according to the year. You will want # 1591270. For some reason, the copy
came out rather small, so use the "zoom in" feature of your computer and
enlarge it or use a magnifying glass. If you want, and don't know yourself,
I can explain how to get to the page in the LDS website familysearch.org/
His parents, as listed above, are on the same page that I am sending you as
an attachment to you and is the first listing on the top of the page, marked
as #4, which is the next generation back from José, who is generation #5.
I'm still researching for additional information on his parents, etc. I'll
send it as soon as I have had time to decipher everything. So far, I have
not found them . Hope this helps a little bit.
God Bless to you and yours and Happy Holiday
--
Cliff Nye In HIS Service
Researching Flores: Canhoto, Jacintha, Pimentel, Avellar(also on Corvo)
Carvalho, Furtado, Nunes, and, on the continent, Rocha. Also, Capellas, São
Miguel for Simão and Medeiros. Also, German & Belgium for: Nye, Neu and
Pieters(Hoffenheim, Baden, Germany)
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Jose Rodrigues Vieira age 23 son of Antonio Rodrigues Vieira and Maria da Trindade, married on Sept. 19 1867 to Maria da Trindade age 24 years daughter of Manuel Francisco Vieira and Isabel Maria. I found this in the Casais das Flores Book. The marriage to place in Concelho de Lajes, parish of Nossa Senhora do Rosario
Helen
Cliff Nye
I just found several your Manuel Francisco Viera marriage record in a second
book, also written by Francisco Gomes, entitled "Casais Das Flores e Do
Corvo" or Marriages of Flores and Corvo.
The listing is on the page I am sending you, the seventh listing. It shows
Manuel Francisco Vierira(son of Francisco José Vieira and of Isabel Maria)
marrying Isabel Maria(daughter of Francisco António Vieira and of Ana da
Trinidade on 9-19-1836.
If you have trouble opening this attachment or the others that I sent to
you, let me know and I can reformat them.
God Bless and hope this helps. I'll keep going as I have time. Now, it's
bedtime. By the way, I'm in Simi Valley, Ca.. I noticed that you are in Ca..
Also. What area, if you don't mind me asking.
God Bless
--
Cliff Nye In HIS Service
Researching Flores: Canhoto, Jacintha, Pimentel, Avellar(also on Corvo)
Carvalho, Furtado, Nunes, and, on the continent, Rocha. Also, Capellas, São
Miguel for Simão and Medeiros. Also, German & Belgium for: Nye, Neu and
Pieters(Hoffenheim, Baden, Germany)
Praying for all our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq and elsewhere. Volunteer
member of "For The Troops". We send care packages to our troops overseas.
On 12/23/07 11:47 AM, "Liner89" <Lin...@gmail.com> wrote:
Liner89
I just found this group a couple of weeks ago so I am still trying to
get my bearings straight....lol.
All of this info is actually for my husband's side of the family - no
one really has done research so I thought I'd give it a go.
My side of the family is from Madeira - my parents were from Paul do
Mar.
We live in the Bay Area - in the city Pleasant Hill, near Walnut Creek
and Concord. My husband's distant family lives in the Modesto/Turlock
area.
Thanks again!
Caroline
sl...@pacbell.net
From: Liner89 <Lin...@gmail.com>
To: Azores Genealogy <Azo...@googlegroups.com>
Cliff Nye
Since I couldn't sleep last night except for about 2 hours, I started doing
more research on your husbands family. I ended up creating a new file in my
Genealogy Program, Reunion 8(for Mac). Anyway, attached is a "register
report" on the family. I can't do anymore right now. However, if you have a
genealogy program, I can send a "ged.com" file to you which you can open in
your genealogy program as a new file, and you would have all the information
that I have imputed into it. Just let me know. If you aren't familiar with a
ged.com file, I can explain further. If you have any trouble opening the
file, let me know. It is a Word document, that is it was created in
Microsoft word, so if you have Word, you shouldn't have any trouble opening
it.
Anyway, Merry Christmas to you and your husband.
God Bless
--
Cliff Nye In HIS Service
Researching Flores: Canhoto, Jacintha, Pimentel, Avellar(also on Corvo)
Carvalho, Furtado, Nunes, and, on the continent, Rocha. Also, Capellas, São
Miguel for Simão and Medeiros. Also, German & Belgium for: Nye, Neu and
Pieters(Hoffenheim, Baden, Germany)
Praying for all our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq and elsewhere. Volunteer
member of "For The Troops". We send care packages to our troops overseas.
Liner89
Oh my goodness - thank you very much!!! I am spending Christmas Eve
with his side of the family tonight so I printed out what you sent to
take over there - wow, my mother in law will be surprised that her
handwritten letter from a cousin turned into this....lol.
I do not have a genealogy program as of yet - am looking for any good
recommendations! Especially ones that take the ged.com files as I see
that is used a lot?
You just made my day....lol.
Carolina
On Dec 24, 12:04 pm, Cliff Nye <ca...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Caroline
> Since I couldn't sleep last night except for about 2 hours, I started doing
> more research on your husbands family. I ended up creating a new file in my
> Genealogy Program, Reunion 8(for Mac). Anyway, attached is a "register
> report" on the family. I can't do anymore right now. However, if you have a
> genealogy program, I can send a "ged.com" file to you which you can open in
> your genealogy program as a new file, and you would have all the information
> that I have imputed into it. Just let me know. If you aren't familiar with a
> ged.com file, I can explain further. If you have any trouble opening the
> file, let me know. It is a Word document, that is it was created in
> Microsoft word, so if you have Word, you shouldn't have any trouble opening
Cliff Nye
I can't really recommend a program for you, however, I think all of them
will handle a ged.com file. A ged.com is a program which your genealogy
program creates to send a family tree between different computers,such as
Mac and PC or Windows. That is the entire and only purpose. You open a new
file, import the ged.com into that file, and then it opens up in your
programs format, using the information that is from , let's say, my program.
Anyway, post a question asking what program the listees recommend. I use
Reunion 8, but I have Mac.
Good luck
I can send you the remaining pages that will need to be added to what I have
done when you get a program.
Cliff
Liner89
Thanks again for all of this info - this is all overwhelming. It will
be neat to see how my husband's GGGrandparents fit into the Register
Report (Jose Rodrigues Vieira & Maria da Trinidade).
I will look for a genealogy program this week as I understand things
better when I see things "mapped out"....lol
I really appreaciate all of your help and I am sure his family will be
appreciative, as well.
Thanks!
Carolina
Cliff Nye
Let me know when you get the genealogy software and I'll send you the pages
which haven't been imputed yet. That way, you can do it yourself, if I don't
have it done myself by then. I can just explain what to do over the phone.I
think right now there are about 150 names in the index, which took me most
of the morning, 4-5 hours to sort things out.
Until then
Cliff
celeste perry
When I began my research, I purchased Family Tree
Maker (FTM) because of an ad I saw. I knew nothing
about such programs, I just wanted something to put
all my information in one place. (I started with a
binder for each grandparent and had to add binders as
the 8 I had filled up).
Since then, I have updated from FTM 3 to FTM 2006
(also known as FTM 16). I have never found a need to
change and the charts you can make by just pressing a
button make sense to me. I, too, relate better to
seeing charts. The reports are good; however, I still
like charts better.
I began with a chart for each grandparent's
ancestors, pasted 8 charts on mirror closet door in
one of the bedrooms and also did a very large wall
size chart of my husband's ancestors and one of mine.
Those 2 charts are pretty overwhelming because I have
ancestors for all 8 grandparents that go back to the
beginning of the records in the Azores. (of course,
not for the "incognito" fathers!).
Celeste, Hayward, CA
> I will look for a genealogy program this week as I
> understand things better when I see things "mapped
out"....lol
Celeste Perry ccgr...@yahoo.com
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Richard Francis Pimentel
and now am using FTM 16. I have FTM 2008 and for now I am very disappointed
with it. They are still working the bugs out and I have down loaded some
fixes to the problems. The last patch seems to have fixed most of the
problems. When I get a chance I am going try using it (FTM 2008) again to
see if it is better. For now I am still using FTM 16.
I think I like the charts and reports the most with FTM and its ability to
handle a large data base along with names other than First Middle and Last.
With the program you can enter some of the long Portuguese names.
Rick.
Richard Francis Pimentel
Epping, New Hampshire
Researching: Pimentel, Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha
from Sao Miguel, Acores
SSmit...@aol.com
George Pacheco
George
http://www.geocities.com/bretanha1954/azoreangenealogy1.html
Liner89
husband was a step ahead of me and ordered FTM 2008 online. I should
have it in a few days....lol.
Carolina
Cliff Nye
I've been working on this family tree for most of the morning but have to
stop now. The one thing I haven't put on the tree on the individual family
cards is the source information, which is the book by Francisco Gomes,
'Familias da Ilha das Flores'. Anyway, the report is now around 350 names or
listings. I'll try and do a little more when I have the energy. This is very
time consuming. Also, I can send you copies of the pages from which I am
getting the information to form this family tree and you can take it over
when you have the family tree program. I can help you get started on the
phone when the time comes. I'm putting my number below so you have it.
Regards and God Bless
--
Cliff Nye In HIS Service
Member: Association of Professional Genealogists
Researching Flores: Canhoto, Jacintha, Pimentel, Avellar(also on Corvo)
Carvalho, Furtado, Nunes, and, on the continent, Rocha. Also, Capellas, São
Miguel for Simão and Medeiros. Also, German & Belgium for: Nye, Neu and
Pieters(Hoffenheim, Baden, Germany)
Praying for all our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq and elsewhere. Volunteer
member of "For The Troops". We send care packages to our troops overseas.
Caroline
Since I couldn't sleep last night except for about 2 hours, I started doing
more research on your husbands family. I ended up creating a new file in my
Genealogy Program, Reunion 8(for Mac). Anyway, attached is a "register
report" on the family. I can't do anymore right now. However, if you have a
genealogy program, I can send a "ged.com" file to you which you can open in
your genealogy program as a new file, and you would have all the information
that I have imputed into it. Just let me know. If you aren't familiar with a
ged.com file, I can explain further. If you have any trouble opening the
file, let me know. It is a Word document, that is it was created in
Microsoft word, so if you have Word, you shouldn't have any trouble opening
it.
Anyway, Merry Christmas to you and your husband.
God Bless
--
Cliff Nye In HIS Service
Researching Flores: Canhoto, Jacintha, Pimentel, Avellar(also on Corvo)
Carvalho, Furtado, Nunes, and, on the continent, Rocha. Also, Capellas, São
Miguel for Simão and Medeiros. Also, German & Belgium for: Nye, Neu and
Pieters(Hoffenheim, Baden, Germany)
Praying for all our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq and elsewhere. Volunteer
member of "For The Troops". We send care packages to our troops overseas.
On 12/23/07 2:40 PM, "Liner89" <Lin...@gmail.com> wrote:
Liner89
Wow...thank you very much! I did not realize I would be getting this
much help when I found this board - truly amazing!
It looks like UPS will be delivering my FTM 2008 some time today to my
house (am stuck at work now). Hopefully I can put it on my computer
tonight.
Carolina
On Dec 27, 12:32 pm, Cliff Nye <ca...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Hello Carolina
> I've been working on this family tree for most of the morning but have to
> stop now. The one thing I haven't put on the tree on the individual family
> cards is the source information, which is the book by Francisco Gomes,
> 'Familias da Ilha das Flores'. Anyway, the report is now around 350 names or
> listings. I'll try and do a little more when I have the energy. This is very
> time consuming. Also, I can send you copies of the pages from which I am
> getting the information to form this family tree and you can take it over
> when you have the family tree program. I can help you get started on the
> phone when the time comes. I'm putting my number below so you have it.
> Regards and God Bless
>
> --
> Cliff Nye In HIS Service
> Member: Association of Professional Genealogists
> Researching Flores: Canhoto, Jacintha, Pimentel, Avellar(also on Corvo)
> Carvalho, Furtado, Nunes, and, on the continent, Rocha. Also, Capellas, São
> Miguel for Simão and Medeiros. Also, German & Belgium for: Nye, Neu and
> Pieters(Hoffenheim, Baden, Germany)
>
> Praying for all our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq and elsewhere. Volunteer
> member of "For The Troops". We send care packages to our troops overseas.
>
Cliff Nye
my map but the map is very large and it takes up a good part of our queen
size bed. Trying to fold the section that has Flores just doesn't work very
well. However, these web sites have information on Flores. Hope you enjoy
them:
On this one, click on the map with the cursor and it enlarges the map:
http://www.destinazores.com/flores.php
This one is just for fun:
http://azores-holidays.sunvil.co.uk/Flores/default.asp?source=menu3
Regards
--
Cliff Nye In HIS Service
Member: Association of Professional Genealogists
Researching Flores: Canhoto, Jacintha, Pimentel, Avellar(also on Corvo)
Carvalho, Furtado, Nunes, and, on the continent, Rocha. Also, Capellas, São
Miguel for Simão and Medeiros. Also, German & Belgium for: Nye, Neu and
Pieters(Hoffenheim, Baden, Germany)
Praying for all our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq and elsewhere. Volunteer
member of "For The Troops". We send care packages to our troops overseas.
Liner89
have done as much set-up as I can tonight as I caught a cold on
Christmas Day and have "medicine head"....lol.
Thanks!
Carolina
Cliff Nye
Attached is the Gedcom file on the Vieira family. This is the one that you
want to work with. Here's how you do it. First of all, you "DO NOT DOUBLE
CLICK ON THE Gedcom". It does not open that way. First, if you can, drag the
gedcom attachment to your desktop. I'm not sure if you can do this with a
PC, if that is what you have. If you have a Mac like me, it's easy. Anyway,
get the gedcom on the desktop to make things easier.
I'm not that familiar with your program, so I will just try it this way. Go
to "File' on the top menu bar and see if there is a option to open a New
File there. If so, open a new file. After the blank file is on the desktop,
then go back to file or any of the other options in the menu bar until you
see an option "Import gedcom". If you have the gedcom on the desktop, this
should be easy as there is probably a window that will open that gives you
the choice of where to look for the file. Just go to the desktop and select
this gedcom attachment. Choose it and import the file. After that, I can't
tell you much since I am not that familiar with the program or PC's. There
are no 380 names in the file. I'm going to stop doing what I am doing now
and copy the pages of the book about your husbands family.
I would still recommend you call me tonight when you get ready to do this.
That way, I can walk you through the process and help you get the file set
up. I have no problem with your calling me.
Best of luck to you and God Bless
805-583-1344 Simi Valley, Ca
--
Cliff Nye In HIS Service
Member: Association of Professional Genealogists
Researching Flores: Canhoto, Jacintha, Pimentel, Avellar(also on Corvo)
Carvalho, Furtado, Nunes, and, on the continent, Rocha. Also, Capellas, São
Miguel for Simão and Medeiros. Also, German & Belgium for: Nye, Neu and
Pieters(Hoffenheim, Baden, Germany)
Praying for all our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq and elsewhere. Volunteer
member of "For The Troops". We send care packages to our troops overseas.
Cliff Nye
I had sent all the pages that I copied in one email. I got a return message
from your email ISP saying the limit is 1 mb per email. Even though I down
sized all the documents, they are all around 500-600k so I can only send one
at a time. Get ready for them. I won't be sending messages, just
attachments.
Cliff
Carolina
I copied the pages that are relevant for your husbands family from the book.
I also copied the front of the book so you know what it is. I would suggest
that you print the pages out and then put them in order. I downsized the
documents since they were so large. The average page was 2 MB and it would
have really clogged up your "mailbox". I don't think it will make any
difference when you print these out.
I started on page 198, Antonio Rodrigues Vieira. I did all of pages 198-201.
Start on the top of page 202 on Francisco Antonio Vieira. The top sentence
above Antonio I have already imputed into the data base as it was part of
the item from the page before. You can see from this how long it takes to
imput this information. I put in three mornings, about 4 hours each and I
only got through pages 198-201 or 4 pages. That's 380 names but it is slow
going.
Also, you have to be very careful when you imput the data that you don't
get the names mixed up as to the generations. In other words, you have to be
careful that you put the names in the correct order or under the correct
parents, etc.. I can also explain this on the phone but it is just too
difficult to type all of that. Please feel free to call me. I have unlimited
nationwide calling, in other words I can call long distance and talk all day
and it makes no difference. So, if you would like me to, I can call you back
when you're ready and it won't cost you anything.
Best of luck with the project Carolina
God Bless
--
Cliff Nye In HIS Service
Member: Association of Professional Genealogists
Researching Flores: Canhoto, Jacintha, Pimentel, Avellar(also on Corvo)
Carvalho, Furtado, Nunes, and, on the continent, Rocha. Also, Capellas, São
Miguel for Simão and Medeiros. Also, German & Belgium for: Nye, Neu and
Pieters(Hoffenheim, Baden, Germany)
Praying for all our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq and elsewhere. Volunteer
member of "For The Troops". We send care packages to our troops overseas.
On 12/27/07 11:02 PM, "Liner89" <Lin...@gmail.com> wrote:
Liner89
I did not get a chance to call you today. When I came home from work,
I was only supposed to rest my eyes for a few minutes, and I just woke
up an hour ago....lol. I guess this cold has really zapped my energy.
I am proud of myself though...I was able to put your gedcom file into
my FTM with no problems that I can see so far. I have printed out all
of your scans and will start working on it this weekend.
If I have any problems, I will let you know!
Thanks again!
Carolina
Cliff Nye
I meant to tell you that your husbands Ggrandfather, Jose Rodrigues Vieira
is on page 206. It shows that he was married to Maria da Trindade, the
parents names and the children's names. That's 4 1/2 pages farther then I
have gotten in imputing the information, since I started "at the beginning"
as one would say. As you will discover, it does take a while to imput this
information. However, one thing, your husbands work has been done for him.
However, in genealogy, if it's not 'documented' it really doesn't count.
Having the names in a book is not necessarily documenting. Documenting is
when you go the the LDS church or your choice and visit the Family History
Center. You obtain the roll of microfilm pertinent to your family and then
starting viewing each frame on the roll until you find what you are looking
for, then copy that page on the viewer/printer.
Once you have the baptism(baptismo) or casamento or obito(marriage or
obituary), then you start to have documentation of your families existence.
Normally, you get the baptismo first, then the marriage and then,if you go
all the way, the obito. In other words, you follow their life. These
documents give you much information. For example, the baptismo will give the
individual Childs name, the parents, usually paternal and maternal
grandparents and sometimes even godparents(usually family members or close
family friends.)This is where all the work starts. However, if you just want
the information for your family, then what's in the book and eventually what
is in your genealogy program, will suffice.
If you need information on the Family History Center as far as how to
research there, let me know as I have a document I put together a long time
ago which explains everything.
Well, I'll let you go. Best of luck to you. If you have problems, let me
know.
Cliff
--
Cliff Nye In HIS Service
Member: Association of Professional Genealogists
Researching Flores: Canhoto, Jacintha, Pimentel, Avellar(also on Corvo)
Carvalho, Furtado, Nunes, and, on the continent, Rocha. Also, Capellas, São
Miguel for Simão and Medeiros. Also, German & Belgium for: Nye, Neu and
Pieters(Hoffenheim, Baden, Germany)
Praying for all our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq and elsewhere. Volunteer
member of "For The Troops". We send care packages to our troops overseas.
sl...@pacbell.net
Hi Dave and other Vieiras
Our family, from Sao Jorge, is not directly related to any Vieiras;
but when my grandfather Joao Antonio Borba, emigrated in 1901 at the
age of 12, he lived with a John and Emilia Vieira on a dairy farm in
San Luis Obispo where they lived until their deaths. This couple had
5 children, all either mentally and/or physically challenged, and they
all died young. My grandfather helped care for the children and also
worked as a ranch hand. When my grandfather was alive, I was too young
to be curious about our family history. Now, of course there is no
one alive in our family that can help me. I have to wonder how it
was that my grandfather did not go to live with family? Who was this
Vieira family? How did he come to know them?. He never explained it
to his own children and we grandchildren have no clue??
Does this family sound familliar to anyone?
Happy New Year everyone!!!
Searching Topo, Sao Jorge: Borba, Carvalho, Silveira Carvalho,
Brazil
On Dec 23, 2:45 pm, s...@pacbell.net wrote:
> Hello Caroline...
>
> i'm mostly a reader here, but i live in Antioch, and my father's relatives side is from modesto/turlock/newman/crows landing/patterson/gustine/ceres...all from sao jorge/velas and other unknown villages......
> dave vieira
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Liner89 <Line...@gmail.com>
> To: Azores Genealogy <Azo...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 2:40:17 PM
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Vierra/Vieira Family
>
> Thanks Helen and Cliff for the info!
>
> I just found this group a couple of weeks ago so I am still trying to
> get my bearings straight....lol.
>
> All of this info is actually for my husband's side of the family - no
> one really has done research so I thought I'd give it a go.
>
> My side of the family is from Madeira - my parents were from Paul do
> Mar.
>
> We live in the Bay Area - in the city Pleasant Hill, near Walnut Creek
> and Concord. My husband's distant family lives in the Modesto/Turlock
> area.
>
> Thanks again!
> Caroline- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
sl...@pacbell.net
Hello...
i have no relatives that far south, furthest south is Gustine....sorry, sounds like a nice family though..
dave vieira
Marie
Liner89
recovering from a cold, travelling up to Seattle for Seahawks football
and (most recently), dealing with my oldest sister (who lives with us)
and her kidney stone issues.
Cliff - Last night I ordered the Flores genealogy book from Mr.
Francisco Gomes. It is supposed to be a gift for my mother-in-law's
upcoming birthday (since this is her Vierra side I am researching) but
I may hang on to it for a while....lol.
With this information I have, I hope to visit the local Family History
Center soon. Hopefully I can find a free evening after work to get to
the closest one. The last time I was in one was about 10 years ago!
Carolina
dicarlo...@gmail.com
luiznoia .
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