RACE for Gold

[Samir]

Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals. Surprisingly, not many
atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement. This may be
because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory". After
evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet
another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise). By
using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to
label themselves as THE BEST species on earth. Michael Phelps has
proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.

[Neil Kelsey]

Have you been drinking?

[watts]

What are you talking about?

On Aug 18, 3:38 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
> Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals. Surprisingly, not many
> atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement.

??? Really?

> This may be
> because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory".

Uhm, do you mean social darwinism? You know that has nothing to do
with atheism, right?

> After
> evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet
> another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise). By
> using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to
> label themselves as THE BEST species on earth.

Yep, you're referring to Social Darwinism.

> Michael Phelps has
> proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.

I'm not sure how Phelps winning 8 gold medals proved that to be
ridiculous, especially considering that you claim that Phelps is an
atheist and that you seem to assume that atheists think they are elite
which would mean that Phelps winning 8 gold medals helps prove Social
Darwinism. But regardless, very few people including atheists adhere
to Social Darwinism.

[Samir]

"Atheists without scientific temper" either become drunkards or chain
smokers. So, I should ask this question to you -- Have YOU been
drinking ?

[Turner Hayes]

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 12:48 AM, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:

"Atheists without scientific temper" either become drunkards or chain
smokers. So, I should ask this question to you -- Have YOU been
drinking ?

That's a "yes".
 

[Dev]

Least of all Charles Darwin, or Richard Dawkins for that matter, both
of which spoke vehemently against anything resembling "social
Darwinism". And again, eugenics dates back to ancient societies and
Plato. And, while we're at it, Hitler was a creationist.

"And, further, they ought to be brought to realize that it is their
bounden duty to give to the Almighty Creator beings such as He himself
made to His own image." -- Hitler

"Even a superficial glance is sufficient to show that all the
innumerable forms in which the life-urge of Nature manifests itself
are subject to a fundamental law--one may call it an iron law of
Nature--which compels the various species to keep within the definite
limits of their own life-forms when propagating and multiplying their
kind. Each animal mates only with one of its own species. The titmouse
cohabits only with the titmouse, the finch with the finch, the stork
with the stork, the field-mouse with the field-mouse, the house-mouse
with the house-mouse, the wolf with the she-wolf, etc." -- Hitler

"From where do we get the right to believe, that from the very
beginning Man was not what he is today? Looking at Nature tells us
that in the realm of plants and animals changes and developments
happen. But nowhere inside a kind shows such a development as the
breadth of the jump, as Man must supposedly have made, if he has
developed from an ape-like state to what he is today." -- Hitler

[Samir]

On Aug 18, 9:14 am, watts <watts....@gmail.com> wrote:
> What are you talking about?
>
> On Aug 18, 3:38 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> >              Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals. Surprisingly, not many
> > atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement.
>
> ??? Really?
>
> > This may be
> > because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory".
>
> Uhm, do you mean social darwinism?  You know that has nothing to do
> with atheism, right?

Large number of intellectuals are atheists & while opposing "Free
Will", most of them either support "gene theory" or they fail to
explicitly call that theory as plain rubbish. That's the connection
between atheism & racism...

>
> > After
> > evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet
> > another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise). By
> > using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to
> > label themselves as THE BEST species on earth.
>
> Yep, you're referring to Social Darwinism.

Wikipedia says ".The term (Social Darwinism) was popularized in 1944
by the American historian Richard Hofstadter, and has generally been
used by critics rather than advocates of what the term is supposed to
represent."... Opposing "gene theory" on one hand & accepting GENES to
be the driving force behind performance is nothing but a plain
intellectual hypocrisy...

>
> > Michael Phelps has
> > proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.
>
> I'm not sure how Phelps winning 8 gold medals proved that to be
> ridiculous, especially considering that you claim that Phelps is an
> atheist and that you seem to assume that atheists think they are elite
> which would mean that Phelps winning 8 gold medals helps prove Social
> Darwinism.  But regardless, very few people including atheists adhere
> to Social Darwinism.

So, 1.You oppose "gene theory".
2. You are an atheist &
3. You are happy with Phelps' performance.
That's good.
About me : 1. I oppose "gene theory".
2. I am a theist &
3. I am happy with Phelps' performance.

[Dag Yo]

> Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals.

Really? Oh thats hella sweet news. This is like the proof we
atheists needed to show that we atheists are THE BEST species on
earth. A few more guys like him and we can totally go through with
are plans of genocide for the inferior theist race.
BWAHAHAHAHAAAA!

[George Yang]

OK！

[Trance Gemini]

On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:

            Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals. Surprisingly, not many
atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement.

Which atheists are uncomfortable with Phelps' achievement?

I'm an atheist and I don't even know who is.

This may be
because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory".

How did he shatter your myth? Since you're the only one I've heard saying this I have to assume that it is Your myth.

 

After
evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet
another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise).

What is "gene theory" and how is it atheist?

 

By
using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to
label themselves as THE BEST species on earth. Michael Phelps has
proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.

So far you're the only one I've heard say this.

 

--
------------------------------------------------
Trance Gemini
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. --Voltaire

Which God Do You Kill For? --Unknown

Love is friendship on fire -- Unknown

[Samir]

On Aug 18, 3:00 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >              Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals.
>

> Really?  Oh thats hella sweet news.  This is like the proof we
> atheists needed to show that we atheists are THE BEST species on
> earth.  A few more guys like him and we can totally go through with
> are plans of genocide for the inferior theist race.
> BWAHAHAHAHAAAA!

So, ignorant souls like you have exhibited your true mentality
regarding genocide. "Atheists without scientific temper" couldn't have
thought on different lines. You represent those who were just running
here & there when Hitler's battle tanks were chasing you. Mere talk of
genocide won't make you look like Hitler.
HoooHoooHoooHooo!!!

>
> On Aug 17, 8:38 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >              Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals. Surprisingly, not many
> > atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement. This may be
> > because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory". After
> > evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet
> > another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise). By
> > using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to
> > label themselves as THE BEST species on earth. Michael Phelps has

> > proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Samir]

On Aug 18, 4:08 pm, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> >             Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals. Surprisingly, not many
> > atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement.
>
> Which atheists are uncomfortable with Phelps' achievement?

There are racist-atheists & there are antiracist-atheists. So, racist
atheists are uncomfortable with Phelps' achievement.

>
> I'm an atheist and I don't even know who is.
>
> This may be
>
> > because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory".
>
> How did he shatter your myth? Since you're the only one I've heard saying
> this I have to assume that it is Your myth.
>
> > After
> > evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet
> > another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise).
>
> What is "gene theory" and how is it atheist?

I have answered that in my reply to "watts",

>
> > By
> > using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to
> > label themselves as THE BEST species on earth. Michael Phelps has
> > proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.
>
> So far you're the only one I've heard say this.

Simply because I am the only person to say something, that SOMETHING
should not be (& it cannot be) discarded if it is true. Because you
cannot see beyond "collaborative opinion", you cannot see the truth.

[Turner Hayes]

Loon list, Trance? Or is he already on there?

[Stoned]

On Aug 18, 8:26 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
> On Aug 18, 3:00 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:> >              Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> > > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals.
>
> > Really?  Oh thats hella sweet news.  This is like the proof we
> > atheists needed to show that we atheists are THE BEST species on
> > earth.  A few more guys like him and we can totally go through with
> > are plans of genocide for the inferior theist race.
> > BWAHAHAHAHAAAA!
>
> So, ignorant souls like you have exhibited your true mentality
> regarding genocide. "Atheists without scientific temper" couldn't have
> thought on different lines. You represent those who were just running
> here & there when Hitler's battle tanks were chasing you.

### Don't you think that is an absurd statement?...In trying to
defend your opening post, your anger is about to make you jump off the
deep end...I think you should reconsider your stand on this...You
sound like a nut!

Mere talk of
> genocide won't make you look like Hitler.
> HoooHoooHoooHooo!!!
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 17, 8:38 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > >              Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> > > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals. Surprisingly, not many
> > > atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement. This may be
> > > because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory". After
> > > evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet
> > > another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise). By
> > > using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to
> > > label themselves as THE BEST species on earth. Michael Phelps has
> > > proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.- Hide quoted text -
>

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[Stoned]

### Yeah...if it were true, but it's not!

Because you
> cannot see beyond "collaborative opinion", you cannot see the truth.

### I need to ask. Are you God?...It seems you love yourself so much
the rest of us are not worthy of your remarkably inventive theories
which only you have approved of thus far.

>
>
>
>
>
> > --
> > ------------------------------------------------
> > Trance Gemini
> > Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
> > --Voltaire
>
> > Which God Do You Kill For? --Unknown
>

> > Love is friendship on fire -- Unknown- Hide quoted text -

[Neil Kelsey]

On Aug 17, 9:48 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
> "Atheists without scientific temper" either become drunkards or chain
> smokers. So, I should ask this question to you -- Have YOU been
> drinking ?

No, but your ridiculous post is a good reason to start. Show us an
atheist who is uncomfortable with Michael Phelps winning 8 gold medals
because he shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory." If you manage
to do that, then show us that all atheists that agree with him, since
YOU claim "gene theory" is "another atheist delusion." I'll prove you
wrong right now. I'm an atheist, I'm not a racist and I never was.

And when are you going to stop using the idiotic phrase "scientific
temper?" You use it every time. Can't you come up with some new (and
meaningful) material?

> On Aug 18, 8:52 am, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 17, 8:38 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > >              Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> > > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals. Surprisingly, not many
> > > atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement. This may be
> > > because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory". After
> > > evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet
> > > another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise). By
> > > using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to
> > > label themselves as THE BEST species on earth. Michael Phelps has
> > > proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.
>

> > Have you been drinking?- Hide quoted text -

[Drafterman]

What does racism have to do with atheism?

[watts]

On Aug 18, 5:44 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
> > Uhm, do you mean social darwinism? You know that has nothing to do
> > with atheism, right?
>
> Large number of intellectuals are atheists & while opposing "Free
> Will", most of them either support "gene theory" or they fail to
> explicitly call that theory as plain rubbish. That's the connection
> between atheism & racism...

If by gene theory you mean the theory of dna molecules and how genes
are encoded in them, most atheists do support gene theory. If
erroneously by gene theory you mean social darwinism, most all
atheists I presume denounce social darwinism. I have met none in my
life.

>
> > > After
> > > evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet
> > > another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise). By
> > > using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to
> > > label themselves as THE BEST species on earth.
>
> > Yep, you're referring to Social Darwinism.
>
> Wikipedia says ".The term (Social Darwinism) was popularized in 1944
> by the American historian Richard Hofstadter, and has generally been
> used by critics rather than advocates of what the term is supposed to
> represent."... Opposing "gene theory" on one hand & accepting GENES to
> be the driving force behind performance is nothing but a plain
> intellectual hypocrisy...

No it's not. Social Darwinism is an ethical system, whereas gene
theory is a scientific explanation concerning dna and how it affects
who we are. While genes do create physical differences, and perhaps
it might affect behavior, in particular performance, there is no link
between how nature is and justifying actions by gene superiority. One
of the large reasons for this is the trouble of calling any gene
superior.

>
> > > Michael Phelps has
> > > proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.
>
> > I'm not sure how Phelps winning 8 gold medals proved that to be
> > ridiculous, especially considering that you claim that Phelps is an
> > atheist and that you seem to assume that atheists think they are elite
> > which would mean that Phelps winning 8 gold medals helps prove Social
> > Darwinism. But regardless, very few people including atheists adhere
> > to Social Darwinism.
>
> So, 1.You oppose "gene theory".
> 2. You are an atheist &
> 3. You are happy with Phelps' performance.
> That's good.
> About me : 1. I oppose "gene theory".
> 2. I am a theist &
> 3. I am happy with Phelps' performance.

I don't oppose gene theory. I oppose any ethical system based on gene
superiority, i.e. social darwinism. Darwin himself was adamantly
opposed to social darwinism. There is no necessary connexion to be
made. You're still not making any sense.

[Tedel]

err... Is this thread serious? Doesn't seem so. =S

[Trance Gemini]

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:

On Aug 18, 4:08 pm, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> >             Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals. Surprisingly, not many
> > atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement.
>
> Which atheists are uncomfortable with Phelps' achievement?

There are racist-atheists & there are antiracist-atheists. So, racist

atheists are uncomfortable with Phelps' achievement.

And exactly who are these atheists. Names please.

 

>
> I'm an atheist and I don't even know who is.
>
> This may be
>
> > because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory".
>
> How did he shatter your myth? Since you're the only one I've heard saying
> this I have to assume that it is Your myth.
>
> > After
> > evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet
> > another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise).
>
> What is "gene theory" and how is it atheist?

I have answered that in my reply to "watts",

You mean that stuff you just made up?

 

>
> > By
> > using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to
> > label themselves as THE BEST species on earth. Michael Phelps has
> > proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.
>
> So far you're the only one I've heard say this.

Simply because I am the only person to say something, that SOMETHING
should not be (& it cannot be) discarded if it is true. Because you
cannot see beyond "collaborative opinion", you cannot see the truth.

The point is that you are claiming that atheists are saying these things.

Please provide their names.

 

>
>
>
> --

> ------------------------------------------------
> Trance Gemini
> Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
> --Voltaire
>
> Which God Do You Kill For? --Unknown
>
> Love is friendship on fire -- Unknown

[Dev]

Since when has any major instance of racism not been promoted by
theism?

> > proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.- Hide quoted text -

[Trance Gemini]

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Turner Hayes <lordla...@gmail.com> wrote:

Loon list, Trance? Or is he already on there?

Is this a nomination? ;-)

Do we have a seconder?

[homebisket]

Yep, a bona fide loon nominee; according to the specs I got anyway.Can
em Trance!

On Aug 18, 6:32 pm, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:

[homebisket]

Oh, and Phelps is a helluva swimmer no doubt maybe the helluvaist of
all time looks like. Just going to hell if an atheist which is OK
too.

[Trance Gemini]

Okay. Let's have a vote. 

Samir, a theist, has been nominated by an atheist for the Loon List. 

Homebisket, a fellow theist has seconded the nomination.

Who's in agreement.

Shall I put Samir on the Loon List, Yes or No.

[homebisket]

Come on ya'll, his argument is irrational.

[Bob T.]

On Aug 18, 3:45 pm, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Okay. Let's have a vote.
> Samir, a theist, has been nominated by an atheist for the Loon List.
>
> Homebisket, a fellow theist has seconded the nomination.
>
> Who's in agreement.
>
> Shall I put Samir on the Loon List, Yes or No.

'"Atheists without scientific temper" either become drunkards or chain
smokers.'

er, I mean "Yes".

- Bob T.

> Love is friendship on fire -- Unknown- Hide quoted text -

[homebisket]

TOOO FUNNY, bitchin LOL, Thanks Bob.

[Trance Gemini]

That's Yes 3 and No 0

[eileen vater]

i am unsure if god exists or not- but please do not ever call me a racist!!

[Dag Yo]

Your opinion doesn't matter Samir, for it is too late for you and your
fellow cave men. I believe in evolution and evolution teaches us that
we atheists evolved faster than you. And thats why we're so much
smarter.

In fact while your race is made up of uneducated criminals, the more
educated a person is the more likely they are to be an Atheist. And
so with all the super-scientists from around the world working hard
for our small atheist army, nothing any of you primitive dorks can
come up with scares us. We already have the best athlete in the
world!!!!!

[Dag Yo]

Sorry Trance, if any of that offended you, I was trying to communicate
with Samir on his own level.

[GamingAsshole]

What in the living fuck are you talking about?

[GamingAsshole]

The biggest irony, perhaps, is when American Christian conservatives
such as Dr. Weikart use the term "Social Darwinism" in an attempt to
tie Nazism and Charles Darwin together, because the term "Social
Darwinism" was originally developed by an atheist Marxist who used it
to discuss a variety of ways in which people had employed evolutionary
concepts in their political and economic ideologies, the most well
known of these cases being the economic ideology of Herbert Spencer in
his defense of laissez-faire capitalism. So, in reality, the term
"Social Darwinism" was originally a term that was most widely used to
describe the policies of laissez-faire capitalism by a Marxist
opponent of capitalism, yet today American conservatives flock to the
term simply because it has a negative connotation to it and it has
Darwin's name in it.

On Aug 18, 1:44 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
> On Aug 18, 9:14 am, watts <watts....@gmail.com> wrote:> What are you talking about?

>
> > On Aug 18, 3:38 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > > Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> > > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals. Surprisingly, not many
> > > atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement.
>

> > ??? Really?

>
> > > This may be
> > > because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory".
>

> > Uhm, do you mean social darwinism? You know that has nothing to do
> > with atheism, right?
>
> Large number of intellectuals are atheists & while opposing "Free
> Will", most of them either support "gene theory" or they fail to
> explicitly call that theory as plain rubbish. That's the connection
> between atheism & racism...
>

> > > After
> > > evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet
> > > another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise). By
> > > using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to
> > > label themselves as THE BEST species on earth.
>

> > Yep, you're referring to Social Darwinism.
>
> Wikipedia says ".The term (Social Darwinism) was popularized in 1944
> by the American historian Richard Hofstadter, and has generally been
> used by critics rather than advocates of what the term is supposed to
> represent."... Opposing "gene theory" on one hand & accepting GENES to
> be the driving force behind performance is nothing but a plain
> intellectual hypocrisy...
>

> > > Michael Phelps has
> > > proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.
>

[GamingAsshole]

The term "Social Darwinism" made its debut in 1944 with the
publication of Social Darwinism in American Thought, 1860-1915, by
Richard Hofstadter. When Hofstadter joined the Communist Party in
1938, because of his opposition to Nazism and his interest in fighting
against fascism, he did so with the following remark, "My fundamental
reason for joining is that I don't like capitalism and want to get rid
of it." He left the Communist Party shortly afterwards when the
Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was announced, creating a temporary alliance
between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.

The overall thrust of Hofstadter's work, however, was that
evolutionary concepts were employed by many different groups of
political and economic thinkers during the period after the
publication of Darwin's work, from those like Herbert Spencer, who
argued for a "survival of the fittest" capitalism, to Karl Marx who
applied evolutionary concepts to communism, to others who appealed to
evolutionary concepts in support of moderate government regulation and
cooperative social paradigms. Hofstadter did not claim in his book
that all of these applications were bad or that there was anything
inherently wrong with applying evolutionary concepts to political
theories. Ironically, despite being written by an anti-fascist Jew in
1944, right at the end of World War II, the Nazis and Nazism are not
mentioned in the book.

None of these political and economic theoreticians, however, who
employed evolutionary concepts, strictly adhered to the known
evolutionary science of the time, or to the ideas and ethics of
Charles Darwin. In addition to that, many of the ideas held by these
various thinkers, especially Herbert Spencer, have since been proven
wrong by evolutionary science. These political theoreticians were
typically not men of science. They instead gleaned generalities from
popular evolutionary notions and applied them in arguments that
furthered their pre-existing ideas, sometimes rightly, but often in
ways that really contradicted even the known science of the time.

Again, the term "Social Darwinism" was employed most critically by
Hofstadter against capitalism, and specifically against American style
capitalism. This term never even existed during the lifetime of
Charles Darwin, and we can plainly see from Darwin's own writings that
his social, political, and economic ideas have nothing in common with
the ideas that have come to be associated with the term "Social
Darwinism", which is a term that reflects really a tremendous
misunderstanding of evolution, not an application of evolutionary
science.

http://rationalrevolution.net/articles/darwin_nazism.htm

[watts]

You know, by the time the results come about for loon voting, the
original frustration has vented itself and becomes a little
pointless. I vote from a unconscientious observer view that the list
should be populated from the wisdom of Her Horniness bestowed upon
Sista Trance by her cat Isis, in full authoritive style - theists at
least seem to be in favor of a cosmic authoritarian regime; why not
for the list?

[Dag Yo]

I second this.

[Samir]

On Aug 19, 1:33 am, watts <watts....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 18, 5:44 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > > Uhm, do you mean social darwinism?  You know that has nothing to do
> > > with atheism, right?
>
> > Large number of intellectuals are atheists & while opposing "Free
> > Will", most of them either support "gene theory" or they fail to
> > explicitly call that theory as plain rubbish.  That's the connection
> > between atheism & racism...
>
> If by gene theory you mean the theory of dna molecules and how genes
> are encoded in them, most atheists do support gene theory.  If
> erroneously by gene theory you mean social darwinism, most all
> atheists I presume denounce social darwinism.  I have met none in my
> life.

I repeat : Social Darwinism is an intellectual hypocrisy. Those who
benefit from "gene theory" (I mean those who occupy favourable
positions in the system hierarchy because of so called "superior
genes" gifted to them by their ancestors), pretend to be speaking
against "gene theory" by using Social Darwinism. Because of your
inability to separate form & substance of a person, you say that you
haven't come across an atheist who supports "gene theory".

>
>
>
> > > > After
> > > > evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet
> > > > another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise). By
> > > > using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to
> > > > label themselves as THE BEST species on earth.
>
> > > Yep, you're referring to Social Darwinism.
>
> > Wikipedia says ".The term (Social Darwinism)  was popularized in 1944
> > by the American historian Richard Hofstadter, and has generally been
> > used by critics rather than advocates of what the term is supposed to
> > represent."... Opposing "gene theory" on one hand & accepting GENES to
> > be the driving force behind performance is nothing but a plain
> > intellectual hypocrisy...
>
> No it's not.  Social Darwinism is an ethical system, whereas gene
> theory is a scientific explanation concerning dna and how it affects
> who we are.  While genes do create physical differences, and perhaps
> it might affect behavior, in particular performance, there is no link
> between how nature is and justifying actions by gene superiority.  One
> of the large reasons for this is the trouble of calling any gene
> superior.

What do you mean by that vague statement "...and perhaps it might
affect behaviour ..." ? Such vagueness simply shows lack of scientific
temper.
Once you accept that genes affect the performance, how can you deny
that superior performance is linked to superior genes ? Unless you
reject gene theory in toto, you cannot proceed. "The trouble of
calling any gene a superior" itself is a proof that "gene theory" is
merely an atheist delusion. There's no science in it.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > Michael Phelps has
> > > > proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.
>
> > > I'm not sure how Phelps winning 8 gold medals proved that to be
> > > ridiculous, especially considering that you claim that Phelps is an
> > > atheist and that you seem to assume that atheists think they are elite
> > > which would mean that Phelps winning 8 gold medals helps prove Social
> > > Darwinism.  But regardless, very few people including atheists adhere
> > > to Social Darwinism.
>
> > So, 1.You oppose "gene theory".
> >       2. You are an atheist &
> >       3. You are happy with Phelps' performance.
> > That's good.
> > About me : 1. I oppose "gene theory".
> >                  2. I am a theist &
> >                  3. I am happy with Phelps' performance.
>
> I don't oppose gene theory.  I oppose any ethical system based on gene
> superiority, i.e. social darwinism.  Darwin himself was adamantly
> opposed to social darwinism.  There is no necessary connexion to be

> made.  You're still not making any sense.- Hide quoted text -
So, you don't oppose gene theory. That's OK.
Assuming you to be a logical person was my mistake...

[Samir]

Before your arrival, the thread was serious...

[Samir]

If you really don't want to be called as racist, then you must ensure
that not even by mistake you are part of "organised crime" governed by
racists.
God DOES exist.

> > made.  You're still not making any sense.- Hide quoted text -
>

[Samir]

While opposing American conservatives, you should not feel compelled
to support "Evolution Theory". There is NO scientifically verifiable
data to support that theory.

> > >                  3. I am happy with Phelps' performance.- Hide quoted text -

[Samir]

On Aug 18, 9:03 pm, Stoned <kenny5271...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Aug 18, 8:26 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 18, 3:00 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:> >              Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael

> > > > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals.
>

> > > Really?  Oh thats hella sweet news.  This is like the proof we
> > > atheists needed to show that we atheists are THE BEST species on
> > > earth.  A few more guys like him and we can totally go through with
> > > are plans of genocide for the inferior theist race.
> > > BWAHAHAHAHAAAA!
>
> > So, ignorant souls like you have exhibited your true mentality
> > regarding genocide. "Atheists without scientific temper" couldn't have
> > thought on different lines. You represent those who were just running
> > here & there when Hitler's battle tanks were chasing you.
>

> ###  Don't you think that is an absurd statement?...In trying to
> defend your opening post, your anger is about to make you jump off the
> deep end...I think you should reconsider your stand on this...You
> sound like a nut!
Nice try to defend your ignorant friend "Dag Ho". Getting angry is
against "equanimity" or "stoicism". Stupids cannot make me lose my
temper. Fighting against atheist-zombies is a real fun. I enjoy it....

>
>  Mere talk of
>
>
>
> > genocide won't make you look like Hitler.
> > HoooHoooHoooHooo!!!
>

> > > On Aug 17, 8:38 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > > >              Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> > > > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals. Surprisingly, not many

> > > > atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement. This may be
> > > > because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory". After

> > > > evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet
> > > > another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise). By
> > > > using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to

> > > > label themselves as THE BEST species on earth. Michael Phelps has
> > > > proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[Bob T.]

On Aug 18, 11:27 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
> While opposing American conservatives, you should not feel compelled
> to support "Evolution Theory". There is NO scientifically verifiable
> data to support that theory.

Give me an L!
Give me an O!
Give me another O!
Give me an N!

What's that spell? Loon!
What's that spell? Loon!
What's that spell? Loon.

- Bob T.

[Samir]

Cave-man seems to be a better evolved person than you. YOU are an
example that "evolution theory" is absolutely wrong. Theory says that
evolution moved from monkey to homo-sapiens. In your case it seems to
be exactly opposite. Saying that you represent the "missing link" will
mean that I am overestimating you.

On Aug 19, 8:02 am, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Your opinion doesn't matter Samir, for it is too late for you and your
> fellow cave men.  I believe in evolution and evolution teaches us that
> we atheists evolved faster than you.  And thats why we're so much
> smarter.
>
> In fact while your race is made up of uneducated criminals, the more
> educated a person is the more likely they are to be an Atheist.  And
> so with all the super-scientists from around the world working hard
> for our small atheist army, nothing any of you primitive dorks can
> come up with scares us.  We already have the best athlete in the
> world!!!!!

And success of that athlete proves "gene theory" to be wrong. How that
"gene theory" is used for opposing "Free will" by your army of so
called smart intellectuals is beyond your grasping limit. That clearly
shows the third-class quality of atheist education system.

>
> On Aug 18, 5:26 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 18, 3:00 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:> >              Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> > > > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals.
>
> > > Really?  Oh thats hella sweet news.  This is like the proof we
> > > atheists needed to show that we atheists are THE BEST species on
> > > earth.  A few more guys like him and we can totally go through with
> > > are plans of genocide for the inferior theist race.
> > > BWAHAHAHAHAAAA!
>
> > So, ignorant souls like you have exhibited your true mentality
> > regarding genocide. "Atheists without scientific temper" couldn't have
> > thought on different lines. You represent those who were just running
> > here & there when Hitler's battle tanks were chasing you. Mere talk of
> > genocide won't make you look like Hitler.
> > HoooHoooHoooHooo!!!
>
> > > On Aug 17, 8:38 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > > >              Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> > > > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals. Surprisingly, not many
> > > > atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement. This may be
> > > > because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory". After
> > > > evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet
> > > > another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise). By
> > > > using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to
> > > > label themselves as THE BEST species on earth. Michael Phelps has
> > > > proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.- Hide quoted text -
>

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[Samir]

On Aug 19, 8:16 am, GamingAsshole <gamingahol...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The biggest irony, perhaps, is when American Christian conservatives
> such as Dr. Weikart use the term "Social Darwinism" in an attempt to
> tie Nazism and Charles Darwin together, because the term "Social
> Darwinism" was originally developed by an atheist Marxist who used it
> to discuss a variety of ways in which people had employed evolutionary
> concepts in their political and economic ideologies, the most well
> known of these cases being the economic ideology of Herbert Spencer in
> his defense of laissez-faire capitalism. So, in reality, the term
> "Social Darwinism" was originally a term that was most widely used to
> describe the policies of laissez-faire capitalism by a Marxist
> opponent of capitalism, yet today American conservatives flock to the
> term simply because it has a negative connotation to it and it has
> Darwin's name in it.

That's quite informative. But... While opposing American
conservatives, you should not align with "non-scientific atheists".

> >                  3. I am happy with Phelps' performance.- Hide quoted text -

[Samir]

That list is FULL of idiots from intellectuals' club. Don't worry..
You are not an intellectual. Your name won't be there in the list.

On Aug 18, 6:11 pm, "Turner Hayes" <lordlacol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Loon list, Trance? Or is he already on there?
>
>
>

> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 18, 4:08 pm, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > > >             Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> > > > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals. Surprisingly, not many
> > > > atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement.
>

> > > Which atheists are uncomfortable with Phelps' achievement?
> > There are racist-atheists & there are antiracist-atheists. So, racist
> > atheists are uncomfortable with Phelps' achievement.
>
> > > I'm an atheist and I don't even know who is.
>

> > > This may be
>
> > > > because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory".
>

> > > How did he shatter your myth? Since you're the only one I've heard saying
> > > this I have to assume that it is Your myth.
>

> > > > After
> > > > evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet
> > > > another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise).
>

> > > What is "gene theory" and how is it atheist?
> > I have answered that in my reply to "watts",
>

> > > > By
> > > > using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to

> > > > label themselves as THE BEST species on earth. Michael Phelps has

> > > > proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.
>

> > > So far you're the only one I've heard say this.
> > Simply because I am the only person to say something, that SOMETHING
> > should not be (& it cannot be) discarded if it is true. Because you
> > cannot see beyond "collaborative opinion", you cannot see the truth.
>
> > > --
> > > ------------------------------------------------
> > > Trance Gemini
> > > Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
> > atrocities.
> > > --Voltaire
>
> > > Which God Do You Kill For? --Unknown
>

> > > Love is friendship on fire -- Unknown- Hide quoted text -

[Samir]

On Aug 19, 3:32 am, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Turner Hayes <lordlacol...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Loon list, Trance? Or is he already on there?
>
> Is this a nomination? ;-)
>
> Do we have a seconder?

You got the answer, I suppose. (If not, refer to my reply to that kid
"Turner Hayes"...

[GamingAsshole]

>>>
That's quite informative. But... While opposing American
conservatives, you should not align with "non-scientific atheists".

The only non-scientific atheist I know of are a few atheist who are
new agey fruitcakes.

[GamingAsshole]

You are not an intellectual either though.

[Samir]

You atheist zombies, your little heads are NOT capable of logical
thinking...

On Aug 19, 3:39 am, homebisket <homebis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yep, a bona fide loon nominee; according to the specs I got anyway.Can
> em Trance!
>

> On Aug 18, 6:32 pm, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> > On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Turner Hayes <lordlacol...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > Loon list, Trance? Or is he already on there?
>

> > Is this a nomination? ;-)
>
> > Do we have a seconder?
>

[GamingAsshole]

>>>While opposing American conservatives, you should not feel compelled
to support "Evolution Theory". There is NO scientifically verifiable
data to support that theory.

Whatever you say jackass.

[Samir]

Oh God, please forgive this poor child "homebisket" ... He doesn't
know what he is talking ...

On Aug 19, 3:45 am, homebisket <homebis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, and Phelps is a helluva swimmer no doubt maybe the helluvaist of
> all time looks like. Just going to hell if an atheist which is OK
> too.

[Samir]

On Aug 19, 3:52 am, homebisket <homebis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Come on ya'll, his argument is irrational.
When all think alike, nobody thinks. And that's quite natural for
"atheists without scientific temper" who do NOT have "consciously
operating part of brain". All they have is a network of neurons filled
with peptides, that's all ... Continue with your meaningless
referendum you kids !!!

>
> On Aug 18, 6:45 pm, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Okay. Let's have a vote.
> > Samir, a theist, has been nominated by an atheist for the Loon List.
>
> > Homebisket, a fellow theist has seconded the nomination.
>
> > Who's in agreement.
>
> > Shall I put Samir on the Loon List, Yes or No.
>

[Samir]

Why ? just 3. Where are all idiots from intellectuals' club ? They
don't believe in referendum or what ?

[Jian-Xia]

Samir,
maybe you might want to explain, just what is gene theory?

On Aug 19, 2:53 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
> You atheist zombies, your little heads are NOT capable of logical
> thinking...

This is not the best way to talk to an atheist. It's adding fuel to
the fire.

[Samir]

On Aug 19, 9:26 am, watts <watts....@gmail.com> wrote:
> You know, by the time the results come about for loon voting, the
> original frustration has vented itself and becomes a little
> pointless.  I vote from a unconscientious observer view that the list
> should be populated from the wisdom of Her Horniness bestowed upon
> Sista Trance by her cat Isis, in full authoritive style - theists at
> least seem to be in favor of a cosmic authoritarian regime; why not
> for the list?

Certain qualifications are mandatory for being a cosmic authority.
Having "consciously operating part of brain" is minimum requirement.
So your sis Tran Her Horni... etc. etc does not qualify.

[Samir]

On Aug 19, 9:30 am, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I second this.
All fools think alike.

[Samir]

On Aug 19, 3:45 am, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Okay. Let's have a vote.
> Samir, a theist, has been nominated by an atheist for the Loon List.
>
> Homebisket, a fellow theist has seconded the nomination.
>
> Who's in agreement.
>
> Shall I put Samir on the Loon List, Yes or No.

A herd of stupids trying to vote against logic. That's "collaborative
decision-making process"... Wow !

[Samir]

On Aug 19, 11:52 am, GamingAsshole <gamingahol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You are not an intellectual either though.

Thanks "G.A.". I take that as compliment. There's difference between
being intellectual & being intelligent. I am only an intelligent
person.

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[Samir]

On Aug 18, 9:06 pm, Stoned <kenny5271...@aol.com> wrote:

> ### Yeah...if it were true, but it's not!

>
> Because you
>
> > cannot see beyond "collaborative opinion", you cannot see the truth.
>

> ###  I need to ask.  Are you God?...It seems you love yourself so much
> the rest of us are not worthy of your remarkably inventive theories
> which only you have approved of thus far.
"Understanding God" is beyond the capacity of atheists like you.
Instead of wasting time on silly referendums, try to acquire some
"scientific temper". That may help you know the answer to that
question --- Are you God ?
It's nice to see that in spite of being hard-core atheist, you have
used capital letter "G" while writing the word God. So, I take back
that statement : "Understanding God" is beyond the capacity of
atheists like you.

In your case, there's still some hope...

[Samir]

On Aug 19, 8:03 am, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sorry Trance, if any of that offended you, I was trying to communicate
> with Samir on his own level.
You want to come to my level ? Wow !!! That's quite a high aim for
you. But don't give up.

[Samir]

On Aug 19, 3:31 am, Dev <thedevil...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> Since when has any major instance of racism not been promoted by
> theism?
After "enlightenment era" of course. When original "Right Wing Greek
Churches (who sent Galileo to prison) " were decoupled from Vatican
City, the process (of NOT promoting racism by theism) accelerated !!!
Even today, the process is incomplete; but they are moving in that
direction. And if you use a generalised term "theism", then there are
some religions that have strongly condemned falsehood which is
inalienable part of racism.
>
> On Aug 18, 10:11 am, Drafterman <drafter...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > What does racism have to do with atheism?

>
> > On Aug 17, 11:38 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > >              Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> > > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals. Surprisingly, not many

> > > atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement. This may be
> > > because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory". After

> > > evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet

> > > another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise). By

> > > using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to
> > > label themselves as THE BEST species on earth. Michael Phelps has

> > > proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.- Hide quoted text -

[Samir]

On Aug 19, 3:31 am, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 18, 4:08 pm, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > > >             Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> > > > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals. Surprisingly, not many
> > > > atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement.
>

> > > Which atheists are uncomfortable with Phelps' achievement?
> > There are racist-atheists & there are antiracist-atheists. So, racist
> > atheists are uncomfortable with Phelps' achievement.
>

> And exactly who are these atheists. Names please.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > I'm an atheist and I don't even know who is.
>

> > > This may be
>
> > > > because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory".
>

> > > How did he shatter your myth? Since you're the only one I've heard saying
> > > this I have to assume that it is Your myth.
>

> > > > After
> > > > evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet
> > > > another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise).
>

> > > What is "gene theory" and how is it atheist?
> > I have answered that in my reply to "watts",
>

> You mean that stuff you just made up?

>
>
>
> > > > By
> > > > using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to
> > > > label themselves as THE BEST species on earth. Michael Phelps has

> > > > proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.
>
> > > So far you're the only one I've heard say this.
> > Simply because I am the only person to say something, that SOMETHING

> > should not be (& it cannot be) discarded if it is true. Because you

> > cannot see beyond "collaborative opinion", you cannot see the truth.
>

> The point is that you are claiming that atheists are saying these things.
I repeat : Atheist hypocrisy prompts them not to reject "gene theory"
rubbish in toto. Atheists use "gene theory" for opposing "Free Will".
>
> Please provide their names.
Go through your loon list. You will find the names of many double-
speaking intellectuals.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > --
> > > ------------------------------------------------
> > > Trance Gemini
> > > Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
> > atrocities.
> > > --Voltaire
>
> > > Which God Do You Kill For? --Unknown
>
> > > Love is friendship on fire -- Unknown
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------
> Trance Gemini
> Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
> --Voltaire
>
> Which God Do You Kill For? --Unknown
>

> Love is friendship on fire -- Unknown- Hide quoted text -

[GamingAsshole]

Saier, Saier, what made you think you are intelligent? You are not
intelligent, get that idea out of your head.

[Samir]

On Aug 18, 9:08 pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 17, 9:48 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > "Atheists without scientific temper" either become drunkards or chain

> > smokers. So, I should ask this question to you -- Have YOU been
> > drinking ?
>
> No, but your ridiculous post is a good reason to start. Show us an
> atheist who is uncomfortable with Michael Phelps winning 8 gold medals
> because he shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory." If you manage
> to do that, then show us that all atheists that agree with him, since
> YOU claim "gene theory" is "another atheist delusion." I'll prove you
> wrong right now. I'm an atheist, I'm not a racist and I never was.
>
> And when are you going to stop using the idiotic phrase "scientific
> temper?" You use it every time. Can't you come up with some new (and
> meaningful) material?
Truth is always bitter, my supposedly non-racist atheist friend, "Niel
Kelsey". To fully qualify for the term "non-racist atheist", you will
have to ensure that you are NOT part of "organised crime" implemented
by racists.
For that you will need a "strong urge to unearth the Truth" which in
turn will require strong scientific-temper acquired through
"consciously operating part of brain", which, most of the atheists
don't have. Atheists, while opposing "Free Will", have said "good-bye"
to that consciously operating part of brain. All you have now is just
a network of neurons filled with peptides, that's all !!!
>
>
>
> > On Aug 18, 8:52 am, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> > > On Aug 17, 8:38 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > > >              Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> > > > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals. Surprisingly, not many

> > > > atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement. This may be
> > > > because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory". After

> > > > evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet

> > > > another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise). By

> > > > using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to
> > > > label themselves as THE BEST species on earth. Michael Phelps has
> > > > proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.
>

> > > Have you been drinking?- Hide quoted text -

[Jian-Xia]

Speaking plainly, Samir, if you are Christian, you should go down to
their level.
What do the Scriptures say about this, peruse 1 Cor 9:19-23.

[Trance Gemini]

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:03 PM, Dag Yo <sir_...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Sorry Trance, if any of that offended you, I was trying to communicate
with Samir on his own level.

It's okay Dag. I got it. I know your writing well enough to know exactly where you were coming from ;-)

 

[Trance Gemini]

Well that is actually how the list is populated ;-).

But occasionally Her Horniness takes input from the unwashed masses.

Samir is now officially our latest edition to the Theist component of the AvC Loon Brigade :-).

Congratulations Samir. Go down the hall to your left, 2d door on the right, to the Civil and Religious Debate Forum for your Booby Prize.

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:26 AM, watts <watt...@gmail.com> wrote:

You know, by the time the results come about for loon voting, the
original frustration has vented itself and becomes a little
pointless.  I vote from a unconscientious observer view that the list
should be populated from the wisdom of Her Horniness bestowed upon
Sista Trance by her cat Isis, in full authoritive style - theists at
least seem to be in favor of a cosmic authoritarian regime; why not
for the list?

On Aug 19, 11:54 am, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's Yes 3 and No 0
>
>
>

> On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 7:22 PM, homebisket <homebis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > TOOO FUNNY, bitchin LOL, Thanks Bob.
>
> > On Aug 18, 7:13 pm, "Bob T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote:

> > > On Aug 18, 3:45 pm, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Okay. Let's have a vote.
> > > > Samir, a theist, has been nominated by an atheist for the Loon List.
>
> > > > Homebisket, a fellow theist has seconded the nomination.
>
> > > > Who's in agreement.
>
> > > > Shall I put Samir on the Loon List, Yes or No.
>

> > > '"Atheists without scientific temper" either become drunkards or chain
> > > smokers.'

>
> > > er, I mean "Yes".
>
> > > - Bob T.
>

> > > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 6:39 PM, homebisket <homebis...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > Yep, a bona fide loon nominee; according to the specs I got
> > anyway.Can
> > > > > em Trance!
>

> > > > > On Aug 18, 6:32 pm, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Turner Hayes <

> > lordlacol...@gmail.com
> > > > > >wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Loon list, Trance? Or is he already on there?
>

> > > > > > Is this a nomination? ;-)
>
> > > > > > Do we have a seconder?
>

> > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > >> On Aug 18, 4:08 pm, "Trance Gemini" <trancegemi...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:

> > > > > > >> > On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Samir <ga...@myway.com>

> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > >> > >             Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel.
> > Michael
> > > > > > >> > > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals.
> > Surprisingly, not
> > > > > many
> > > > > > >> > > atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement.
>

> > > > > > >> > Which atheists are uncomfortable with Phelps' achievement?
> > > > > > >> There are racist-atheists & there are antiracist-atheists. So,
> > racist
> > > > > > >> atheists are uncomfortable with Phelps' achievement.
>
> > > > > > >> > I'm an atheist and I don't even know who is.
>

> > > > > > >> > This may be
>
> > > > > > >> > > because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory".
>

> > > > > > >> > How did he shatter your myth? Since you're the only one I've
> > heard
> > > > > > >> saying
> > > > > > >> > this I have to assume that it is Your myth.
>

> > > > > > >> > > After
> > > > > > >> > > evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like
> > yet
> > > > > > >> > > another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be
> > precise).
>

> > > > > > >> > What is "gene theory" and how is it atheist?
> > > > > > >> I have answered that in my reply to "watts",
>

> > > > > > >> > > By
> > > > > > >> > > using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless
> > racists try
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >> > > label themselves as THE BEST species on earth. Michael
> > Phelps has
> > > > > > >> > > proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.
>

> > > > > > >> > So far you're the only one I've heard say this.
> > > > > > >> Simply because I am the only person to say something, that
> > SOMETHING
> > > > > > >> should not be (& it cannot be) discarded if it is true. Because
> > you
> > > > > > >> cannot see beyond "collaborative opinion", you cannot see the
> > truth.
>

> > > > > > >> > --
> > > > > > >> > ------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > >> > Trance Gemini
> > > > > > >> > Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
> > > > > > >> atrocities.
> > > > > > >> > --Voltaire
>
> > > > > > >> > Which God Do You Kill For? --Unknown
>
> > > > > > >> > Love is friendship on fire -- Unknown
>
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------
> > > > > > Trance Gemini
> > > > > > Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
> > > > > atrocities.
> > > > > > --Voltaire
>
> > > > > > Which God Do You Kill For? --Unknown
>
> > > > > > Love is friendship on fire -- Unknown
>
> > > > --
> > > > ------------------------------------------------
> > > > Trance Gemini
> > > > Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit
> > atrocities.
> > > > --Voltaire
>
> > > > Which God Do You Kill For? --Unknown
>

> > > > Love is friendship on fire -- Unknown- Hide quoted text -

>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>

> --
> ------------------------------------------------
> Trance Gemini
> Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
> --Voltaire
>
> Which God Do You Kill For? --Unknown
>
> Love is friendship on fire -- Unknown

[Trance Gemini]

Lobbying and voting is over. He's officially in :-)

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 2:33 AM, Bob T. <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote:

On Aug 18, 11:27 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
> While opposing American conservatives, you should not feel compelled
> to support "Evolution Theory". There is NO scientifically verifiable
> data to support that theory.

Give me an L!
Give me an O!
Give me another O!
Give me an N!

What's that spell?  Loon!
What's that spell?  Loon!
What's that spell?  Loon.

- Bob T.

[Trance Gemini]

That's True. Turner will never qualify for the Loon List. You on the other hand have just been added.

[Jian-Xia]

On Aug 18, 11:38 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>              Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals. Surprisingly, not many

> atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement. This may be
> because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory". After

> evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet

> another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise). By

> using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to
> label themselves as THE BEST species on earth. Michael Phelps has
> proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.

That's if Phelps doesn't become a Christian. In fact, his personal
achievements could only bag him 5 golds. The other 3 had to come from
relay matches. And from watching the matches, I couldn't help but feel
it was a bit dramatic. As one commentator said, "Drama drama, drama

Let's go back to the beginning, Phelps enters the first leg of his
quest for glory with a gold in the (400m Individual medley in WR
time). Next he swam past everyone in the 200m discipline (Van den
Hoogenband the previous world-record holder was visibly not in the
race). He does it in WR time. Next up the impressible finish by the
American swim team in the 100m swim team in another WR timing (Lezak
outswam Bernard!?). Meanwhile in the 100m backstroke, Peirsol got the
gold while 2 swimmer's secured bronze, a Stoekel and Vyatchanin.

OK let's go on, on Day 5, he went on to win the next-best gold in his
career. The 200m butterfly stroke. (With water in his goggles, which
slowed him down) But not without setting a WR time. Next the men in
the 4 x 200m freestyle relay taking gold (This swim not only attained
a WR but broke the 7-minute barrier). Day 6 rest. Bernard gets it back
in golden timing, with 2 bronzes. Day 7: Gets 200m individual medley
gold, locking out Lochte, if Lochte wasn't so tired from winning the
200m backstroke 10 minutes earlier. Next the best gold in his career.
Out-swimming and outsmarting, eventually edging out the Serbian Cavic
by 1/100th of a second to silver (He was slower right?). Drama
unfolding right before your eyes. IN OR time. Last, he got his eighth
gold with help from veteran compatriots - Lezak and Peirsol. In WR
time.

In each of his events, he could have easily got ousted. Without the
invaluable help from his teammates. With world-record holder, Ian
Crocker in the 100m butterfly. With Milovac Cavic. With Ryan Lochte.
With the French 100m swim team.

Is it unrealistic to say Michael got his medals without external help?

Other interesting happenings- Steffen of Germany bags double sprint
golds. While China gets gold for the women's 200m butterfly, both
going under WR time.

[Turner Hayes]

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 2:33 AM, Bob T. <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote:

On Aug 18, 11:27 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
> While opposing American conservatives, you should not feel compelled
> to support "Evolution Theory". There is NO scientifically verifiable
> data to support that theory.

Give me an L!
Give me an O!
Give me another O!
Give me an N!

What's that spell?  Loon!
What's that spell?  Loon!
What's that spell?  Loon.

Go Wildcats!
 

- Bob T.

[Turner Hayes]

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com> wrote:

That's True. Turner will never qualify for the Loon List. You on the other hand have just been added.

Never? Sounds like a challenge to me...
 

[watts]

On Aug 19, 6:08 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
> On Aug 19, 1:33 am, watts <watts....@gmail.com> wrote:> On Aug 18, 5:44 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Uhm, do you mean social darwinism? You know that has nothing to do
> > > > with atheism, right?
>
> > > Large number of intellectuals are atheists & while opposing "Free
> > > Will", most of them either support "gene theory" or they fail to
> > > explicitly call that theory as plain rubbish. That's the connection
> > > between atheism & racism...
>
> > If by gene theory you mean the theory of dna molecules and how genes
> > are encoded in them, most atheists do support gene theory. If
> > erroneously by gene theory you mean social darwinism, most all
> > atheists I presume denounce social darwinism. I have met none in my
> > life.
>
> I repeat : Social Darwinism is an intellectual hypocrisy. Those who
> benefit from "gene theory" (I mean those who occupy favourable
> positions in the system hierarchy because of so called "superior
> genes" gifted to them by their ancestors), pretend to be speaking
> against "gene theory" by using Social Darwinism. Because of your
> inability to separate form & substance of a person, you say that you
> haven't come across an atheist who supports "gene theory".

I repeat: Gene theory as it relates to the theory (well supported by
fact) that our dna is composed of strains of amino acids which denote
genes in our body that affect our molecular make-up and may also
affect behavior, is an explanation, not a justification. Social
Darwinism as it relates to the ethical theory that those who do
whatever it takes to survive is moral - which is not the same as gene
theory - is a justification, not an explanation. That is a key
difference that you don't seem to be able to grasp. Fire is an
explanation for how someone might have died. Fire is not a
justification to kill people. Psychological egoism is an explanation
for human behavior. Psychological egoism is not a justification for
human behavior. Kantian ethics is a justification for morality.
Kantian ethics is not an explanation for morality.

>
>
>
> > > > > After
> > > > > evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet

> > > > > another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise). By

> > > > > using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to
> > > > > label themselves as THE BEST species on earth.
>

> > > > Yep, you're referring to Social Darwinism.
>
> > > Wikipedia says ".The term (Social Darwinism) was popularized in 1944
> > > by the American historian Richard Hofstadter, and has generally been
> > > used by critics rather than advocates of what the term is supposed to
> > > represent."... Opposing "gene theory" on one hand & accepting GENES to
> > > be the driving force behind performance is nothing but a plain
> > > intellectual hypocrisy...
>
> > No it's not. Social Darwinism is an ethical system, whereas gene
> > theory is a scientific explanation concerning dna and how it affects
> > who we are. While genes do create physical differences, and perhaps
> > it might affect behavior, in particular performance, there is no link
> > between how nature is and justifying actions by gene superiority. One
> > of the large reasons for this is the trouble of calling any gene
> > superior.
>
> What do you mean by that vague statement "...and perhaps it might
> affect behaviour ..." ? Such vagueness simply shows lack of scientific
> temper.

What's your point of lacking 'scientific temper'? It's simply a
suggestion that may be plausible that doesn't detract from anything.

> Once you accept that genes affect the performance, how can you deny
> that superior performance is linked to superior genes ?

Superior is a relative term. What I may find superior, another person
may find inferior. Now certainly it seems that phelps has some
genetic makeup that may have had an effect on his ability to perform
as well as he did. Does that make him superior, or his genes related
to swimming ability superior? I would suggest only the latter.

> Unless you
> reject gene theory in toto, you cannot proceed.

I do reject Social Darwinism. I do not reject gene theory as it
relates to dna makeup of amino acids which denote genes that affect
human physiology. I can and do proceed.

> "The trouble of
> calling any gene a superior" itself is a proof that "gene theory" is
> merely an atheist delusion. There's no science in it.

Which is why gene theory has nothing to do with calling a gene
'superior' in any sense of the word except that the gene survived
mutation and replication.

>
>
>
> > > > > Michael Phelps has
> > > > > proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.
>

> > > > I'm not sure how Phelps winning 8 gold medals proved that to be
> > > > ridiculous, especially considering that you claim that Phelps is an
> > > > atheist and that you seem to assume that atheists think they are elite
> > > > which would mean that Phelps winning 8 gold medals helps prove Social
> > > > Darwinism. But regardless, very few people including atheists adhere
> > > > to Social Darwinism.
>
> > > So, 1.You oppose "gene theory".
> > > 2. You are an atheist &
> > > 3. You are happy with Phelps' performance.
> > > That's good.
> > > About me : 1. I oppose "gene theory".
> > > 2. I am a theist &
> > > 3. I am happy with Phelps' performance.
>
> > I don't oppose gene theory. I oppose any ethical system based on gene
> > superiority, i.e. social darwinism. Darwin himself was adamantly
> > opposed to social darwinism. There is no necessary connexion to be
> > made. You're still not making any sense.- Hide quoted text -
>
> So, you don't oppose gene theory. That's OK.
> Assuming you to be a logical person was my mistake...

No, I don't oppose gene theory. I oppose Social Darwinism. They are
not the same thing. Get it through your skull.

[Neil Kelsey]

On Aug 19, 12:53 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
> On Aug 18, 9:08 pm, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 17, 9:48 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Atheists without scientific temper" either become drunkards or chain
> > > smokers. So, I should ask this question to you -- Have YOU been
> > > drinking ?
>
> > No, but your ridiculous post is a good reason to start. Show us an
> > atheist who is uncomfortable with Michael Phelps winning 8 gold medals
> > because he shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory." If you manage
> > to do that, then show us that all atheists that agree with him, since
> > YOU claim "gene theory" is "another atheist delusion." I'll prove you
> > wrong right now. I'm an atheist, I'm not a racist and I never was.
>
> > And when are you going to stop using the idiotic phrase "scientific
> > temper?" You use it every time. Can't you come up with some new (and
> > meaningful) material?
>
> Truth is always bitter, my supposedly non-racist atheist friend, "Niel
> Kelsey".

How "time bends in a gravitational field" bitter? Truth is not always
bitter, that's absurd.

> To fully qualify for the term "non-racist atheist", you will
> have to ensure that you are NOT part of "organised crime" implemented
> by racists.

Paranoid gibberish. Are you mentally ill?

> For that you will need a "strong urge to unearth the Truth" which in
> turn will require strong scientific-temper acquired through
> "consciously operating part of brain", which, most of the atheists
> don't have. Atheists, while opposing "Free Will", have said "good-bye"
> to that consciously operating part of brain. All you have now is just
> a network of neurons filled with peptides, that's all !!!

"Free will" has always seemed like a religious construct to me, and
I'm an atheist. So free will is irrelevant to me until you provide
some evidence that God exists and prove that I have something to be
"free" from. Otherwise, I'm free to choose from a certain range of
behaviour, thoughts, and actions that are limited by my anatomy, brain
capacity, and culture. I'm not free to sprout wings (much as I'd like
to), but I can choose between accepting your irrational delusions or
rejecting them. I reject them - you have no evidence that God exists.

And we are both made from the same materials, and our brains work the
same way (more or less, since I suspect that you're probably a
schizophrenic).

[Bob T.]

On Aug 19, 2:07 pm, watts <watts....@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

>
> Superior is a relative term.  What I may find superior, another person

> may find inferior.  Now certainly it seems that Phelps has some

> genetic makeup that may have had an effect on his ability to perform
> as well as he did.  Does that make him superior, or his genes related
> to swimming ability superior?  I would suggest only the latter.

His ability to swim does affect his ability to reproduce. Women swoon
over him - he could have dozens or even hundreds of children if he
chose, assuming he's fertile.

- Bob T.

[Samir]

On Aug 19, 12:41 pm, GamingAsshole <gamingahol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Saier, Saier, what made you think you are intelligent?  You are not
> intelligent, get that idea out of your head.

Well, "being intelligent" is a relative term. I couldn't find any
other stand when rampant groupism was all set to conduct a referendum
against me.
If I call myself intelligent, that indicates my egotist nature.
But ... was it not your own ego that prompted you to dismiss my claim
without knowing anything about me ? Anyway... thanks once again for
bringing me closer to almighty by reducing my ego.

[Samir]

Confusion! Confusion!! Confusion!!!
I am already placed at the bottom of the system hierarchy. That's why
you cannot see me. I am almost invisible. Or in other words, I am a
superNano. I presume that point to be closest to Almighty. After 9/11,
system has subscribed to Devil's hierarchy (or Vampire-Lycane
hierarchy or whatever you call it). So, worst sinners are NOT at the
bottom --- they are at the TOP. Nanos had different characteristics
before 9/11.
When "Dag Yo" tries to come to my level, he actually moves away from
Devil or he moves towards God. His language roughens because of his
incorrect perception about the bottom-most point.
While I am trying to realise God, system is trying to realise DEVIL.
This may explain the limitations of collaborative decision-making
process.

[Samir]

You have to be "free" from your ignorance. Blind acceptance of
"Evolution Theory" as a scientific theory is an indication that you
are NOT free from ignorance. This "infinitude of ignorance in and
around you" prompts you to reject the existence of God because God
resides at the point of infinite knowledge or zero ignorance. Your
lack of "scientific temper" will make the things difficult for you.

>Otherwise, I'm free to choose from a certain range of
> behaviour, thoughts, and actions that are limited by my anatomy, brain
> capacity, and culture. I'm not free to sprout wings (much as I'd like
> to), but I can choose between accepting your irrational delusions or
> rejecting them. I reject them -  you have no evidence that God exists.

Does it make any difference to SCIENCE if someone doesn't believe in
science ? Just like that it makes no difference to God if some
ignorant souls like you reject the existence of God.

>
> And we are both made from the same materials, and our brains work the
> same way (more or less, since I suspect that you're probably a
> schizophrenic).

Should I thank you for your statement that our brains work
differently ? I take that as compliment.

[Samir]

On Aug 18, 9:11 pm, Drafterman <drafter...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What does racism have to do with atheism?

Large number of intellectuals are atheists & while opposing "Free
Will", most of them either support "gene theory" or they fail to
explicitly call that theory as plain rubbish. That's the connection
between atheism & racism...

>

> On Aug 17, 11:38 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >              Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals. Surprisingly, not many
> > atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement. This may be
> > because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory". After
> > evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet
> > another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise). By
> > using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to
> > label themselves as THE BEST species on earth. Michael Phelps has

> > proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.- Hide quoted text -

[Drafterman]

On Aug 20, 7:12 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
> On Aug 18, 9:11 pm, Drafterman <drafter...@gmail.com> wrote:> What does racism have to do with atheism?
>
> Large number of intellectuals are atheists & while opposing "Free
> Will", most of them either support "gene theory" or they fail to
> explicitly call that theory as plain rubbish.  That's the connection
> between atheism & racism...

Ah... so none at all. Thanks for clearing that up.

>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 17, 11:38 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > >              Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> > > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals. Surprisingly, not many
> > > atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement. This may be
> > > because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory". After
> > > evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet
> > > another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise). By
> > > using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to
> > > label themselves as THE BEST species on earth. Michael Phelps has
> > > proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.- Hide quoted text -
>

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[Jian-Xia]

On Aug 18, 6:00 pm, Dag Yo <sir_ro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >              Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals.
>

> Really?  Oh thats hella sweet news.  This is like the proof we
> atheists needed to show that we atheists are THE BEST species on
> earth.  A few more guys like him and we can totally go through with
> are plans of genocide for the inferior theist race.
> BWAHAHAHAHAAAA!

I don't know Dag. Judging from the finals of the 100m race, I think
Christians have a grip on being the world's fastest.
Did you see the prelude to the 100m sprint finals? 'All' of them were
squatting with their head's ducked.

They were praying.

[Dag Yo]

Take your meds Sam.

[Neil Kelsey]

It's not "blind acceptance." I find evolution to be supported by
convincing evidence, whereas religion is only supported by fallacies
and wishful thinking.

> is an indication that you
> are NOT free from ignorance. This "infinitude of ignorance in and
> around you" prompts you to reject the existence of God because God
> resides at the point of infinite knowledge or zero ignorance.

So you posess "infinite knowledge and zero ignorance?"

> Your
> lack of "scientific temper" will make the things difficult for you.

Please, I'll give you $5 if you never utter the phrase "scientific
temper" ever again.

>Otherwise, I'm free to choose from a certain range of
> > behaviour, thoughts, and actions that are limited by my anatomy, brain
> > capacity, and culture. I'm not free to sprout wings (much as I'd like
> > to), but I can choose between accepting your irrational delusions or
> > rejecting them. I reject them - you have no evidence that God exists.
>
> Does it make any difference to SCIENCE if someone doesn't believe in
> science ? Just like that it makes no difference to God if some
> ignorant souls like you reject the existence of God.

None of that changes the fact that you have no evidence for the

existence of God.

> > And we are both made from the same materials, and our brains work the
> > same way (more or less, since I suspect that you're probably a
> > schizophrenic).
>
> Should I thank you for your statement that our brains work
> differently ? I take that as compliment.

Have you been diagnosed with a mental illness?

[Trance Gemini]

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Turner Hayes <lordla...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com> wrote:

That's True. Turner will never qualify for the Loon List. You on the other hand have just been added.

Never? Sounds like a challenge to me...

Lol. Please don't...

[Samir]

Have I ever said that ?

>
> > Your
> > lack of "scientific temper" will make the things difficult for you.
>
> Please, I'll give you $5 if you never utter the phrase "scientific
> temper" ever again.

Deal is not attractive. Raise the amount, if you want me to stop using
that phrase.
Only when you completetly burn your ignorance, you will understand
that entire atheist camp does NOT have sufficient resources to make me
sign any deal like that !

>
> >Otherwise, I'm free to choose from a certain range of
> > > behaviour, thoughts, and actions that are limited by my anatomy, brain
> > > capacity, and culture. I'm not free to sprout wings (much as I'd like
> > > to), but I can choose between accepting your irrational delusions or
> > > rejecting them. I reject them -  you have no evidence that God exists.
>
> > Does it make any difference to SCIENCE if someone doesn't believe in
> > science ? Just like that it makes no difference to God if some
> > ignorant souls like you reject the existence of God.
>
> None of that changes the fact that you have no evidence for the
> existence of God.
>
> > > And we are both made from the same materials, and our brains work the
> > > same way (more or less, since I suspect that you're probably a
> > > schizophrenic).
>
> > Should I thank you for your statement that our brains work
> > differently ? I take that as compliment.
>
> Have you been diagnosed with a mental illness?

Had I been to some idiot psychiatrist from atheist camp, perhaps his
ignorance would have prompted him to come up with a diagnosis like
that.

>
>
>
> > > > > > On Aug 18, 8:52 am, Neil Kelsey <neil_kel...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Aug 17, 8:38 pm, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >              Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> > > > > > > > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals. Surprisingly, not many
> > > > > > > > atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement. This may be
> > > > > > > > because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory". After
> > > > > > > > evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet
> > > > > > > > another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise). By
> > > > > > > > using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to
> > > > > > > > label themselves as THE BEST species on earth. Michael Phelps has
> > > > > > > > proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.
>

[Samir]

On Aug 20, 5:04 pm, Drafterman <drafter...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 20, 7:12 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 18, 9:11 pm, Drafterman <drafter...@gmail.com> wrote:> What does racism have to do with atheism?
>
> > Large number of intellectuals are atheists & while opposing "Free
> > Will", most of them either support "gene theory" or they fail to
> > explicitly call that theory as plain rubbish.  That's the connection
> > between atheism & racism...
>
> Ah... so none at all. Thanks for clearing that up.

So, you also believe that all the intellectuals are really really
against "gene theory" ....

[Drafterman]

On Aug 21, 3:29 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
> On Aug 20, 5:04 pm, Drafterman <drafter...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Aug 20, 7:12 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 18, 9:11 pm, Drafterman <drafter...@gmail.com> wrote:> What does racism have to do with atheism?
>
> > > Large number of intellectuals are atheists & while opposing "Free
> > > Will", most of them either support "gene theory" or they fail to
> > > explicitly call that theory as plain rubbish. That's the connection
> > > between atheism & racism...
>
> > Ah... so none at all. Thanks for clearing that up.
>
> So, you also believe that all the intellectuals are really really
> against "gene theory" ....

No, I believe you are someone that has no idea what you're talking
about.

[Vivisectus]

Your "post" makes "no" sense and "your" incessant use of quotation
marks "is" annoying.
"Please" explain what you "mean" using "sentences" that make logical
"sense", or "else" please sign "yourself" up for "the" loony list

[Samir]

On Aug 21, 4:18 pm, Drafterman <drafter...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 21, 3:29 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 20, 5:04 pm, Drafterman <drafter...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Aug 20, 7:12 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 18, 9:11 pm, Drafterman <drafter...@gmail.com> wrote:> What does racism have to do with atheism?
>
> > > > Large number of intellectuals are atheists & while opposing "Free
> > > > Will", most of them either support "gene theory" or they fail to
> > > > explicitly call that theory as plain rubbish.  That's the connection
> > > > between atheism & racism...
>
> > > Ah... so none at all. Thanks for clearing that up.
>
> > So, you also believe that all the intellectuals are really really
> > against "gene theory" ....
>
> No, I believe you are someone that has no idea what you're talking
> about.

What should I conclude from your "No" ? Do intellectuals accept "gene
theory" ?
If you do not understand what I say, it is your fault. I can't help.
Perhaps you haven't even heard the word "intellectuals". Anyway, you
are better off because that term is NOT worth remembering...

[Samir]

On Aug 21, 5:31 pm, Vivisectus <Matthijs.Hilho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Your "post" makes "no" sense and "your" incessant use of quotation
> marks "is" annoying.
> "Please" explain what you "mean" using "sentences" that make logical
> "sense", or "else" please sign "yourself" up for "the" loony list

I have already mentioned that the loon list is full of stupids from
intellectuals club. There is no scope for inclusion of any theist. But
you can try for including yourself in that list. In spite of being non-
intellectual, you have bright chances...
Had there been little bit of common sense within you, I would have
appreciated your sense of humour.

>
> On Aug 18, 4:38 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >              Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel. Michael
> > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals. Surprisingly, not many
> > atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement. This may be
> > because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory". After
> > evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet
> > another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise). By
> > using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to
> > label themselves as THE BEST species on earth. Michael Phelps has

[Turner Hayes]

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Turner Hayes <lordla...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:23 AM, Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com> wrote:

That's True. Turner will never qualify for the Loon List. You on the other hand have just been added.

Never? Sounds like a challenge to me...

Lol. Please don't...

It's so tempting, though!
 

[trog69]

>prompts you to reject the existence of God because God
> resides at the point of infinite knowledge or zero ignorance.

Ohhh Samir, you were sooo close; God resides at the point of infinite
ignorance and zero knowledge.

But, thanks for playing!

[Vivisectus]

I really cannot make sense of what you are trying to say. I understand
all the elements of it, but I cannot make any logical sense out of
what you are trying to say. Let me show you what I mean.

> > > Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel.

With you this far

> > > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals.

Still following you. Phelps is an atheist and a really fast swimmer.
No problems.

>>>Surprisingly, not many
> > > atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement.

Errrrm... how do you know? Do you keep some in a jar and check? I
certainly didn;t feel the slightest bit uncomfortable. Except for the
fact that I would have preferred the dutch guy to win.

>>>This may be
> > > because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory".

Has he? How? What do you mean by gene theory? And how does Phelps
winning a bunch of medals disprove it?

>>>After
> > > evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet
> > > another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise).

Does it? But you never explained what you mean by gene theory, or
shown how it was disproven. I would also like to know how you prove
that the theory of evolution is wrong. Disproving the maxwell theory
should be especially good.

By
> > > using an arbitrarily chosen reference point, worthless racists try to
> > > label themselves as THE BEST species on earth.

Back on slightly safer ground here. Yup, they do that. Thats what
racists do. It wouldn't be worth your while to be a racist and label
the other guy as the best. Funny, but hardly worth the bother of
sowing a swastika on your jacket for.

Michael Phelps has
> > > proved that to be a ridiculous assumption.-

There you go again. How? All you did was state that he has. I could
just as easily say something like "Shock Horror! The winner of a
silver medal in the international shitkicking competiton was a
catholic. Surprisingly, this is a little uncomfortable to christians.
This is because this has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that god is
in fact a 42 old transexual from aberdeen called Angus!

You'd call me a loony if I said that. And you'd be right!

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[Neil Kelsey]

It's a question. I'm just curious, since if there's an "infinitude of
ignorance in and around" me as you claim, then that means you are part
of it. I am just wondering how, if you are infinitely ignorant as you
claim, that you could possibly know where God resides. I also wonder
what the living conditions are like at the "point of infinite
knowledge and zero ignorance." Are there sofas? Jacuzzis? Seems like
it might be pretty cramped to me.

> > > Your
> > > lack of "scientific temper" will make the things difficult for you.
>
> > Please, I'll give you $5 if you never utter the phrase "scientific
> > temper" ever again.

Okay. $6 and not a penny more.

> Deal is not attractive. Raise the amount, if you want me to stop using
> that phrase.
> Only when you completetly burn your ignorance, you will understand
> that entire atheist camp does NOT have sufficient resources to make me
> sign any deal like that !

We can always insert another microchip into your brain.

> > >Otherwise, I'm free to choose from a certain range of
> > > > behaviour, thoughts, and actions that are limited by my anatomy, brain
> > > > capacity, and culture. I'm not free to sprout wings (much as I'd like
> > > > to), but I can choose between accepting your irrational delusions or
> > > > rejecting them. I reject them -  you have no evidence that God exists.
>
> > > Does it make any difference to SCIENCE if someone doesn't believe in
> > > science ? Just like that it makes no difference to God if some
> > > ignorant souls like you reject the existence of God.
>
> > None of that changes the fact that you have no evidence for the
> > existence of God.
>
> > > > And we are both made from the same materials, and our brains work the
> > > > same way (more or less, since I suspect that you're probably a
> > > > schizophrenic).
>
> > > Should I thank you for your statement that our brains work
> > > differently ? I take that as compliment.
>
> > Have you been diagnosed with a mental illness?
>
> Had I been to some idiot psychiatrist from atheist camp, perhaps his
> ignorance would have prompted him to come up with a diagnosis like
> that.

Have people tried to get you to see a psychiatrist?

[Samir]

That seems to be the limit of atheist resources. Quite in line with
atheist calibre.

[Samir]

On Aug 21, 7:15 pm, trog69 <tom.tro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >prompts you to reject the existence of God because God
> > resides at the point of infinite knowledge or zero ignorance.
>
> Ohhh Samir, you were sooo close; God resides at the point of infinite
> ignorance and zero knowledge.

Wow ! It's nice to see that you believe in the existence of God.
Why don't you tell this to your non-racist atheist friend Neil
Kelsey ?

[Samir]

On Aug 21, 7:54 pm, Vivisectus <Matthijs.Hilho...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I really cannot make sense of what you are trying to say. I understand
> all the elements of it, but I cannot make any logical sense out of
> what you are trying to say. Let me show you what I mean.
>
> > > >              Beijing Olympics 2008 has unveiled a marvel.
>
> With you this far
>
> > > > Phelps - an atheist - has bagged 8 Gold medals.
>
> Still following you. Phelps is an atheist and a really fast swimmer.
> No problems.
>
> >>>Surprisingly, not many
> > > > atheists seem to be comfortable with Phelps' achievement.
>
> Errrrm... how do you know? Do you keep some in a jar and check? I
> certainly didn;t feel the slightest bit uncomfortable. Except for the
> fact that I would have preferred the dutch guy to win.
>
> >>>This may be
> > > > because he has shattered a racist myth called "Gene Theory".
>
> Has he? How? What do you mean by gene theory? And how does Phelps
> winning a bunch of medals disprove it?
>
> >>>After
> > > > evolution theory & Maxwell theory, "gene theory" looks like yet
> > > > another atheist delusion (or 'racist delusion' to be precise).
>
> Does it? But you never explained what you mean by gene theory, or
> shown how it was disproven. I would also like to know how you prove
> that the theory of evolution is wrong.

Do you accept that superior performance is linked to superior genes ?

> Disproving the maxwell theory should be especially good.

I liked your stand on Maxwell theory. Let's see how long do you stick
to it.

[Vivisectus]

> Do you accept that superior performance is linked to superior genes ?> Disproving the maxwell theory should be especially good.
>
> I liked your stand on Maxwell theory. Let's see how long do you stick
> to it.

Well, if you have the genetic make-up that, with the right nutrition,
will allow your body to grow in a way that is well suited for swimming
really fast, this will make it easier to become a good swimmer, yeah.
If you also have discipline, train a lot, have an interest in
swimming, and, most importantly - if you learn how to swim!

So if you have genes that are good for swimming, then yeah, you'll
have an easier time getting really good at swimming, in the right
circumstances. Just like having the genes for really short legs will
make it more difficult for you to become a good runner.

Whats the catchline?

[Neil Kelsey]

On Aug 21, 10:52 am, Samir <ga...@myway.com> wrote:
> On Aug 21, 7:15 pm, trog69 <tom.tro...@gmail.com> wrote:> >prompts you to reject the existence of God because God
> > > resides at the point of infinite knowledge or zero ignorance.
>
> > Ohhh Samir, you were sooo close; God resides at the point of infinite
> > ignorance and zero knowledge.
>
> Wow ! It's nice to see that you believe in the existence of God.
> Why don't you tell this to your non-racist atheist friend Neil
> Kelsey ?

Read what he said more carefully, genius.