Reports of the recent autonomous vehicle killing of a bicyclist make much of the reported information that the cyclist entered the road outside of any crosswalk.
Is such entry improper? Other vehicles can enter traffic flow from anywhere along the road, such as parking places and driveways; doesn’t that apply to bicyclists, too?
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It doesn't matter if the entry is proper or improper. The statutes cannot permit a vehicle to strike another road user with impunity under any conditions. It cannot be ok to strike a cyclist or a pedestrian, regardless of whether the person entered the road at the designated place. It is never acceptable to not be vigilant. Similarly, for the pedestrian or cyclist, it can never be fully safe to relax vigilance.Ken FreemanAnn Arbor, MI USA
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Tim Athan <Tim....@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Reports of the recent autonomous vehicle killing of a bicyclist make much of the reported information that the cyclist entered the road outside of any crosswalk.
Is such entry improper? Other vehicles can enter traffic flow from anywhere along the road, such as parking places and driveways; doesn’t that apply to bicyclists, too?
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No, Ken, circumstances do matter. To take an extreme example, if someone makes a sudden, unexpected move into the path of a vehicle, in a manner such that driver response time plus minimum braking distance make a stop in time physically impossible, the driver would be without liability if driving properly for the environment.
On Mar 22, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Ken Freeman <kenfre...@gmail.com> wrote:
It doesn't matter if the entry is proper or improper. The statutes cannot permit a vehicle to strike another road user with impunity under any conditions. It cannot be ok to strike a cyclist or a pedestrian, regardless of whether the person entered the road at the designated place. It is never acceptable to not be vigilant. Similarly, for the pedestrian or cyclist, it can never be fully safe to relax vigilance.Ken FreemanAnn Arbor, MI USA
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Tim Athan <Tim....@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Reports of the recent autonomous vehicle killing of a bicyclist make much of the reported information that the cyclist entered the road outside of any crosswalk.
Is such entry improper? Other vehicles can enter traffic flow from anywhere along the road, such as parking places and driveways; doesn’t that apply to bicyclists, too?
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No, Ken, circumstances do matter. To take an extreme example, if someone makes a sudden, unexpected move into the path of a vehicle, in a manner such that driver response time plus minimum braking distance make a stop in time physically impossible, the driver would be without liability if driving properly for the environment.
On Mar 22, 2018, at 5:41 PM, Ken Freeman <kenfre...@gmail.com> wrote:
It doesn't matter if the entry is proper or improper. The statutes cannot permit a vehicle to strike another road user with impunity under any conditions. It cannot be ok to strike a cyclist or a pedestrian, regardless of whether the person entered the road at the designated place. It is never acceptable to not be vigilant. Similarly, for the pedestrian or cyclist, it can never be fully safe to relax vigilance.Ken FreemanAnn Arbor, MI USA
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Tim Athan <Tim....@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Reports of the recent autonomous vehicle killing of a bicyclist make much of the reported information that the cyclist entered the road outside of any crosswalk.
Is such entry improper? Other vehicles can enter traffic flow from anywhere along the road, such as parking places and driveways; doesn’t that apply to bicyclists, too?
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