Re: [vintagvw] Abridged summary of vintagvw@googlegroups.com - 1 Message in 1 Topic

[Kyle Davis]

Hey all,

     After installing the voltage regulator and correct coil last night, charging it up via jump, I was able to drive it almost to the nearest gas station before it died on me. 

     So, I'm throwing in the towel. I'm taking it to a vw shop of my second choosing (first one who was bound to be more reasonable on prices no longer works on air cooled vws and recommended me to the vw shop of my second choice.)

     I'll let you know what I find out. I'm thinking it's the generator. 

Kyle

66 beetle in the shop :-(

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Chuck Kuecker <ckue...@ckent.org> Aug 06 06:44AM -0500  

If no one moved the bulbs, the left (red) light is generator, the right
- green - is oil pressure. If the engine is in good shape, the oil light
will stay off a few seconds after the engine ...more


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[No Quarter]

Whenever an engine dies, the first thing any suitable mechanic will do is actually check the basics.  I don't know how many times I've associated a dead engine with the last repair I did, only to find out the repair was fine, but something else acted up!

 

So first step would be charge the battery and start the bug.

Put a voltage meter on the battery and observe the voltage while revving up the engine to about 2500-3000 rpm.  Anything over 13 should be suitable and 14 would be a bit high.

If you are undercharging, then chances are the bug is dying to due lack of voltage to power the spark.

If it appears you are charging okay, then you need to verify if you have spark.  Put a spark spark plug on the wire for either #2 or #4, and get someone to crank the bug over.  It might start and run on 3 cylinders in which case, you will know you will have spark.  Just knowing whether you have spark or not is helpful.

 

Is it possible you have a weak fuel pump?    For your battery to discharge to the point it won't run in such a short distance is really odd, unless you are starting with a weak battery anyway, and you're not charging. 

 

Did you ever put a meter on the battery terminals and read the voltage while it's running?

 

NQ

[Kyle]

Good news, and bad news.

Good-the shop I took it to checked out the charging system and it seemed fine.

They cleaned out the carburetor and adjusted it.

Said that the carb could've been the problem.

Only charged me $65.

The bad? I lost my job.

And, the brake job didn't hold.

May end up selling it.

It's too bad because we need both cars, but my wife will be quick for me to sell it.

Kyle
66 bug
No job

[John Sroka]

Ugh. Hope the job issue resolves so you can keep the bug. What is wrong
with the brakes?

RE the carb possibly being the problem... did they road test afterward, and
problem did not reappear? In my experience carbs can cause poor performance
but sudden cut-outs sound unlikely.

I think NQ and other's diagnostic suggestions are good, if the cut-out
problem reappears it does sound like electrical should be checked out first,
then fuel delivery.

Having said that, here is a sounds-like story: long ago I was driving my 67
home at night, and engine suddenly cut out. Engine would crank but not
fire. Fiddled with electrical/ignition for awhile which all looked fine,
then it started and ran another 10 minutes and cut out again. Repeated the
process. Ended up driving home side roads with stops about every 10
minutes. Next day I diagnosed a bit and electrical checked out fine, but
fuel pump output was poor and putting suction on fuel intake line yielded
lots of bubbles. Tracing back I found that the metal fuel line going
through the shrouds had chewed through the grommet and been sliced open by
the shroud, which was letting just enough air into the line to cause the
intermittent cut-outs. Especially with these older cars, a systematic
diagnosis will usually pay off in finding the source of the problem.

Good luck on the job front Kyle.

[Kyle Davis]

Hey John,

     Something about the needle being clogged up with the carb. 

     As far as the brakes go, it's the master cylinder. At least, that's what the v dub shop here in town thinks. 

     I hope I find something soon. It'd be nice if after the master cylinder is replaced, I could drive the car again and not have to get rid of it. 

     Where it stands now, I'd break even if I had to sell the car. 

Kyle

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[John Sroka]

OK.  Wasn’t this bug in the shop for brake work a few weeks ago?  Just curious what work they did, and what the current brake symptom is.

[Kyle Davis]

It was. 

They replaced the master cylinder. The rear brake shoes a rear brake wheel cylinder. 

They did not touch the e brake. 

They had it for three weeks mainly because I had to order the parts but when they broke one of them, they were able somehow to have it ordered over night. 

Unfortunately, I am still out of a job and now this has devolved into some sort of pissing contest between the two shops and me and the bug are caught up in the middle of it. 

New diagnosis by the brake shop is the front drum cylinders were leaky and need replaced along with the shoes. 

Because of the situation, they are offering me $89 to fix. Plus parts which I have to scrounge. 

They are forgoing the tow from the other shop but claimed that the other shop broke off one of the lug nuts. 

Still no job. 

Still no bug. 

Kyle

[Kyle]

Hey all,

     It stops now.  It isn't pretty, but it stops.

     A buddy of mine verfied that the carb is still bad.  Purchased a rebuild kit, and am thinking about bribing my buddy to do it.

     Don't have a real, full time gig yet, but may be picking up a temporary position in my hometown that pays a little better than unemployment but is within easy bicycling distance, with luck.

     Sun visor clips.  I replaced them, but like an idiot, didn't keep track of which visor went on which side.  Anybody got any pointers on sorting this one out?

     Removed the pesky, poorly installed engine deck lid hinge.  Going to replace it when I can, more than likely after the carb has been rebuilt.

     The people I bought the carb rebuild kit off of said, that, if the throttle body is bad, no way is the rebuild kit going to help and I will need a new carburetor.  What are your thoughts on this?

Let me know,

Kyle

[No Quarter]

Kyle, I'm not sure what they meant by the throttle body is bad unless they meant the throttle shaft bushings are shot.  They can be rebushed (fixed) and with the sky-high price of 34-pict-3 carburetors, it's worth trying to locate a repair shop that can do the work for you.

 

I believe the beetle visors can be mounted either way.

 

Concerning the brakes, if it stops and stops well, it's good enough.  It doesn't have to look pretty, just work well and safely.

 

Please clue us all in some more on the "throttle body" which is more of a fuel injection term and not a carburetor term.

 

NQ

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[Anil Nair]

Not sure how the 66 bug visors but on later bugs the mirror is offset so the visors will only fit one way (the cut-out matches the offset of the mirror).

If there is a screw to tighten the grip on the spindle then I would do it so the screw is hidden when the visor is up against the roof. If you need to tighten/loosen it just fold it down.

Hope this helps! 

Anil

[Kyle Davis]

Thanks Anil,

     I'll try it your way. My 66 doesn't have mirrors on either visor. 

     It is on the list to get, but right now finding a job and rebuilding the carburetor has to take precedence. 

Kyle

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[John Sroka]

Kyle, a few questions as you ponder a rebuild:  is the problem you’re working on that the bug still quits after a mile or so of driving, and is that still the symptom?   When your buddy found the carb was still bad, do you mean he verified that was the problem?     

 

It’s possible the carburetor does need a rebuild, but without diagnosis that may not fix the problem.

 

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[Kyle Davis]

Hey John,

     While I was starting the car, and while he was fiddling with the carb, he noticed the pump at the side of the carb failed to do anything. 

      With the gas we captured out of the fuel pump itself, he tossed into the carb bowl and the car started right up. 

      How big of a deal is it to rebuild this carb?  I have taken apart laptops before, so I am no stranger to small bits of parts, but I am leery of doing it myself. 

Kyle

On Friday, August 23, 2013, John Sroka wrote:

Kyle, a few questions as you ponder a rebuild:  is the problem you’re working on that the bug still quits after a mile or so of driving, and is that still the symptom?   When your buddy found the carb was still bad, do you mean he verified that was the problem?     

 

It’s possible the carburetor does need a rebuild, but without diagnosis that may not fix the problem.

 

From: vint...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vint...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kyle Davis
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 7:23 AM
To: vint...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [vintagvw] Update on my 66 and the job front.

 

Thanks Anil,

 

     I'll try it your way. My 66 doesn't have mirrors on either visor. 

 

     It is on the list to get, but right now finding a job and rebuilding the carburetor has to take precedence. 

 

Kyle

On Friday, August 23, 2013, Anil Nair wrote:

Not sure how the 66 bug visors but on later bugs the mirror is offset so the visors will only fit one way (the cut-out matches the offset of the mirror).

If there is a screw to tighten the grip on the spindle then I would do it so the screw is hidden when the visor is up against the roof. If you need to tighten/loosen it just fold it down.

Hope this helps! 

Anil

 

On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:04 AM, No Quarter <sil...@beatricene.com> wrote:

Kyle, I'm not sure what they meant by the throttle body is bad unless they meant the throttle shaft bushings are shot.  They can be rebushed (fixed) and with the sky-high price of 34-pict-3 carburetors, it's worth trying to locate a repair shop that can do the work for you.

 

I believe the beetle visors can be mounted either way.

 

Concerning the brakes, if it stops and stops well, it's good enough.  It doesn't have to look pretty, just work well and safely.

 

Please clue us all in some more on the "throttle body" which is more of a fuel injection term and not a carburetor term.

 

NQ

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[rdeh...@aol.com]

Unless you're talking about the fuel pump that is not part of the carb. but is mounted on the engine next to the dizzy.

Pull the hose off an rotate engine by turning alternator pulley, gas should squirt out.

 

Rudy  LI  Y

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[Kyle Davis]

I'm not sure what that part of the carb is called, but I already investigated the fuel pump and it seemed fine. 

Kyle

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[Dan Moy]

Pic the number of the part from here: http://www.vw-resource.com/carb_41.html if it is a 34 PICT.

[No Quarter]

Not hard to rebuild at all. Remember how everything comes apart and be
extremely patient with yourself. Pay attention to detail and be organized.
Use laquer thinner on all non-plastic parts (it's darn good and cheap carb
cleaner) and get yourself an exploded parts diagram. Don't just take apart
the carburetor and throw all the pieces all over. Thread bolts back into
holes they came out of. Use compressed air and one can of spray carburetor
cleaner to blow all the little passages. You should be good to go.

NQ
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From: "Kyle Davis" <01ks...@gmail.com>
To: <vint...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [vintagvw] Update on my 66 and the job front.

Hey John,

While I was starting the car, and while he was fiddling with the carb,
he noticed the pump at the side of the carb failed to do anything.

With the gas we captured out of the fuel pump itself, he tossed into
the carb bowl and the car started right up.

How big of a deal is it to rebuild this carb? I have taken apart
laptops before, so I am no stranger to small bits of parts, but I am leery
of doing it myself.

Kyle

On Friday, August 23, 2013, John Sroka wrote:

> Kyle, a few questions as you ponder a rebuild: is the problem you�re

> working on that the bug still quits after a mile or so of driving, and is
> that still the symptom? When your buddy found the carb was still bad,

> do you mean he verified that was the problem? ****
>
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> that may not fix the problem.****
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> the carburetor has to take precedence. ****
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> On Friday, August 23, 2013, Anil Nair wrote:****

>
> Not sure how the 66 bug visors but on later bugs the mirror is offset so
> the visors will only fit one way (the cut-out matches the offset of the

> mirror).****

>
> If there is a screw to tighten the grip on the spindle then I would do it
> so the screw is hidden when the visor is up against the roof. If you need
> to tighten/loosen it just fold it down.
>

> **
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>
> Hope this helps! ****
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> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:04 AM, No Quarter <sil...@beatricene.com>

> wrote:****

>
> Kyle, I'm not sure what they meant by the throttle body is bad unless they
> meant the throttle shaft bushings are shot. They can be rebushed (fixed)
> and with the sky-high price of 34-pict-3 carburetors, it's worth trying to

> locate a repair shop that can do the work for you.****
>
> ****
>
> I believe the beetle visors can be mounted either way.****
>
> ****

>
> Concerning the brakes, if it stops and stops well, it's good enough. It

> doesn't have to look pretty, just work well and safely.****
>
> ****

>
> Please clue us all in some more on the "throttle body" which is more of a

> fuel injection term and not a carburetor term.****
>
> ****
>
> NQ****

>
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[rdeh...@aol.com]

Kyle, You need to be more specific.

 

Did the pump not squired gas?

Did the mechanical arm not move?

The pump diaphragm is part of the rebuild kit and is no biggie to replace.

The pump does not fill up the float bowl.

Float bowl should have been full,.

 

Back from lurking, since 2001 got bit by the bug again.

Engine on stand awaiting parts

 

There will be questions, lol

 

Rudy  LI  NY

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[rdeh...@aol.com]

Strange, I wrote this about 2 weeks ago.

Got it today?

[John Sroka]

Hi Rudy.  Your message was received by Google Groups on Friday 8/23, but apparently was held as spam.  I got a Moderator message about it today and released it.

 

Volks, if you send a message and don’t see it or any replies, give me a shout and I’ll check it out.