--
Listserv moderated by Toyin Falola, University of Texas at Austin
To post to this group, send an email to USAAfric...@googlegroups.com
To subscribe to this group, send an email to USAAfricaDial...@googlegroups.com
Current archives at http://groups.google.com/group/USAAfricaDialogue
Early archives at http://www.utexas.edu/conferences/africa/ads/index.html
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "USA Africa Dialogue Series" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to usaafricadialo...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
BIGSAS Bayreuth International Graduate School of African Studies University of Bayreuth D-95440 Bayreuth Phone: ++49-921-55 5108 Fax: ++49-921-55 5102 Web: http://www.bigsas.uni-bayreuth.de e-mail: olorunshol...@uni-bayreuth.de
Editor/Publisher:
The New Black Magazine - http://www.thenewblackmagazine.com
Kennedy Emetlulu:
I guess it’s cultural. Gog and Magog. Dog (you) and underdog (Goodluck Jonathan) the incumbent, but when you so systematically vilify Muhammadu Buhari, he becomes the underdog (to an Englishman at least) and you remain the crude human being of the former colony, the only compensation for the Ministry of Overseas Development/ International Development being that like Robinson Crusoe’s Man Friday you too now know how to speak Her Majesty’s English and to be understood or misunderstood by her.
That’s how you want to sell Muhammadu Buhari: as wholly unworthy? A wholly unworthy Nigerian? Are you more worthy than he is? That’s what we always ask the guy with the Napoleonic complex or the guy who thinks he’s Jesus of Nazareth or the Messiah: Where are your disciples? And that brings him back to earth.
I guess it’s cultural, your many crude expressions, your distasteful distortions, your many blows below the belt and just in case you don’t know any better, let me tell you, that’s enough to alienate any impartial observers you may be addressing. One more thing and I know that you’re not a poet, but short of your discourse being couched in the form of an epic poem, you ought not to tax your readers’ patience or goodwill with such an extended boring political diatribe. Readers too have their rights you know, even illiterate readers.
So, who do you expect to be happy with you?
Let me take up some - just some - of your poorly written idiosyncrasies. Be patient. I’ll deal with some of the others a little later.
Today, Nigeria is one country, one people, the same people : Nigerians.
Try to bear that in mind in your future discourse.
As you well know, the task facing anyone who wants to be an effective leader of Nigerians is nothing less than Herculean. Don’t downplay this and in any of your future long, long write-ups, please try to avoid your old tendency of downplaying this and pretending that but for Boko Haram terrorism in the land, Nigerians are living in Heaven under the inspiring leadership of Azikiwe Ebele Goodluck Jonathan.
Apart from being so heavily one-sided and therefore out of balance even when standing on both legs or running around and playing the hooligan outside Chatham House, your other greater weakness is that you’re still stuck on - mesmerised it appears, by the 1984-85 Buhari even though you know that Mr. Buhari has moved on, so has the world, so have you, so have I, and I was there from 31st December till late in August 1984 when I returned to Stockholm and was also quite a different person then, from what I am now, I assure you.
We will never know how things would have been if the INEC had decided that it was all OK and they had gone ahead with the elections. For starters, you and the Goodluck Jonathan supporters would most probably not have been doing outside Chatham House, what you report, in your own words:
“It was tough as the PDP and APC and the Goodluck Jonathan supporters like myself fought turf wars around the premises.”
I shut one eye and what do I see? I see the scuffles: Goodluck Jonathan supporters like yourself behaving like hooligans. I guess that someone else – a non-partisan person unlike yourself will probably soon be reporting about running street battles between your lot and the peaceful APC supporters who had only shown up to pay homage to their man, whereas your people had only turned up to make trouble, maybe make a scene and hope that it gets reported with some bloody footage on BBC world news, for everyone to acknowledge your displeasure at Mr. Buhari being invited to speak in the UK, in peace. I understand the hooliganistic tendencies. Frustration often precedes the propensity to violence...
Since we are talking about democratic fare lets emphasise this one point: of the 180 million Nigerians, Mr. Buhari is the APC choice of presidential candidate, sufficiently popular to make you worried – the reason why you betook yourself to outside the premises of Chatham House– and that’s the beauty of the democratic process you know - it’s the people and not just you, the geniocracy or the noocracy who decide. As an earlier Mr Buhari made clear ten years ago:
“I think education will unchain our people from all their prejudices, whether it is ethnic, religious or whatever. And here, unusually, I have to place the blame squarely on the shoulders of the elite. It is not the number of degrees each ethnic group holds that matter, although that matters; what does is continuous education in politics, the economy and security.”
And that includes the Boko Haram people too.
Let me correct a few misapprehensions that you are so keen to foster:
It was not “a hush-hush affair “nor was it meant to be – you and your crowd were there because it was well advertised, especially by the Nigerian media - albeit it was going to be just one meeting in the middle of many other important meetings taking place in London on any given day.
You have yet to qualify your statement that Nigeria briefly under Buhari more than thirty years ago was “the most unfriendly Nigerian government to the UK” - the Umaru Dikko debacle aside, what are your other reasons for saying so - and more importantly were you more deeply bruised than Her Majesty’s government - the ones who granted him a visa?
You can’t have it both ways. Was it a hush-hush affair or was it not? You say that, “First, they ensured that only Buhari supporters and a few members of the APC’s foreign captive audience were there in the room to give it a dash of foreign colour.” It would have been foolhardy of the organisers, don’t you think, if they had allowed the Chatham House auditorium where Mr. Buhari was making his pitch, to be filled by the PDP rabble, the noise-makers that were only there to cause trouble?
About corruption, Mr. Buhari’s words – of truth – are echoed here, earlier, by Sierra Leone’s APC leader, currently President, Ernest Bai Koroma on CNN – as a result of “a serious fight against corruption”, he said, “I'm sure the leakages that are responsible for the poor delivery services in the social sector, like education, health and employment situation will be turned around.”
About the aforementioned endemic corruption, we know that the old PDP brigade is fighting tooth and nail and its is feared may even try their best by hook and even by crook to ensure that they do not lose this election for fear that by (presidential decree?) President Buhari might arraign them all before the corruption courts for trial and refund of looted assets.
“Why doesn’t Buhari promises to let bygone be bygones and that he will only go after new cases of corruption?” asked my Swedish politician brother. Apparently that is what Mr.Buhari is saying although it’s difficult for the old brigade to feel safe or to believe that he won’t go after them , after all corruption is corruption is corruption and the ill gotten goods, the fruits and kickbacks of old corruption are crimes that should be punished.
We know that you don’t wish Muhammadu Buhari with him as president, well - and that’s why this is your silliest statement of all:
”Buhari should have seized the opportunity to come, stand on the porch of Chatham House and address Nigerians who were outside, sell himself and his programme and show them that he’s serious about leading Nigeria to better days” –
i.e. that Mr. Buhari should have repeated what he said inside to the violent rabble foaming at the mouth, outside - who knows put himself in line – as a target for fire by some assassin’s bullet and blame it all on lack of adequate British Security.
As promised, I’ll return to take up some of the other delinquencies but for now this is something that I wasn’t aware of before, but it’s now bothering me: Is James Ibori one of Mr. Buhari’s supporters? How do you explain that? Maybe he has repented, turned another leaf? The leopard doesn't change his spots?
You realise of course that some of Nigeria’s money that could lawfully be turned to the state treasury will have to go to refurbishing the military which is now in a state of dilapidation and decay.
I was expecting to see an very charismatic Muhammadu Buhari, smiling like his brother, Colin Powell, not reading so tenaciously from a script all the important things that he had to say (what he said could have been published as an article in the guardian) - but I was expecting a more extempore rendition from Mr. Buhari - and a slightly different speech – with more emphasis on how he intends to take the bull by its horns. It may delight you to know that the first glimpse that I got of Mr. Buhari on the Chatham House TV - I saw all the signs that Lord Anunoby has been talking about so much, I saw entitlement and long- shuffering stamped on Mr. Buhari’s face. He was not shmiling.
The saying is that the patient dog eats the fat, Juicy Bone and concerning the fat juicy bone, it should be good to hear more of “God Bless Nigeria!” from the presidential candidates.
From my winter corner,
Cornelius
...
Dear Kennedy,1. First here is a video of what happened outside of the event and the subsequent interviewed inside Chatham House by the BBC.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153177155705229&pnref=storyIf you think Chatham House is partial towards Buhari, please listen to the BBC Africa's anchorman interviewing him. Tell us, was this interview also a charade?2. You said Buhari is the person sponsoring Boko Haram but without giving any evidence to back this up.But please tell us, didn't the Australian negotiator employed by the President said that it is those around the President who are sponsoring Boko Haram. The man actually accused former Governor Sheriff and former army chief, Azubuike Ihejirika, of backing BH.3. Now, didn't the President tell Nigerians back in 2012 that Boko Haram's sponsors are in his governmentand
http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/3360-boko-haram-has-infiltrated-my-government-says-jonathan.html4. Was Buhari ever part of Jonathan's administration?5. You said Buhari put many in jail. Please tell us, are you saying people like Akinloye, Akinjide, Dikko, Nwobodo, Wayas are (were) saints and didn't not loot the treasury? I was in Nigerian at the time; the foundation for the current culture of impunity was laid by most of the people the Buhari-Idiagbon's regime sent to jail. Yes, it wasn't perfect but it's arguably what was needed at the time as most people I know at the time were yearning for a J.J Rawlings.I've provided evidence now please provide some as well to back up your allegations. You are right; talk is cheap, fact is sacred.
..
Ola Kassim,
I did not give an account if Buhari’s speech at Chatham House, I quoted it extensively and EXPRESSED AN OPINION about it! The FACT of the speech is not in doubt, except if you think my transcription (account) is not the things he said as I said he said them. But having the fact of a speech is one thing and having an interpretation of it is another. Your interpretation is your view of the speech and that is allowed. I obviously don’t agree with Buhari and all I have done there is to show that disagreement with his talk and thoughts as expressed in that speech. What is too difficult to understand in that, Dr Kassim?
I don’t know where you got the proof that Boko Haram tried to assassinate Buhari. At least, Boko Haram never claimed responsibility for any attack on Buhari as they’re wont to do and there are people who believe Buhari and his cohorts stage-managed the Kaduna attack to give the impression he is a target of the insurgents. The truth as at today, we do not know. So, do not impose your version of what you think is truth, because there is no proof for your version. Nonetheless, Nigerians can read between the lines. His visit to Borno tells some of all we need to know about his relationship with Boko Haram. He and them will fail!
As for your comment about almost puking, I really wish you had actually puked, so as to get it all out of your system. Your pathetic brain probably would have spluttered to life with that act. But as it is, you are still as dead upstairs like a dodo! Or maybe you’re just too hungry to puke anything, but your nasty intestines. On second thought, I suppose we should be grateful to God that you did not actually spew out your empty guts. Mumu like you! Rubbish elenu run-run!
..
…
Shola Adenekan,
“Dear Kennedy,
“1. First here is a video of what happened outside of the event and the subsequent interviewed inside Chatham House by the BBC.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153177155705229&pnref=story
“If you think Chatham House is partial towards Buhari, please listen to the BBC Africa's anchorman interviewing him. Tell us, was this interview also a charade?”
Mr Adenekan, what rubbish logic are you spouting here? Did I talk bout the BBC interview? What has the interview done by the BBC on the sidelines of Buhari’s Chatham House appearance got to do with the issues I addressed in relation to his speech when the BBC interview is not even about what he said at the Chatham House event? The only thing mentioned in relation to the Chatham House event was not even his speech, but the protest outside. Helloooooo, okay, get it now: The Chatham House event is a sham, not the BBC interview, okay?
“2. You said Buhari is the person sponsoring Boko Haram but without giving any evidence to back this up”.
What other evidence do you need more than his conduct, comments ad body language about Boko Haram? Did he not say an attack on Boko Haram is an attack on the North? Did he not attack the Nigerian Army for killing Boko Haram? Did he not say Boko Haram has to be given amnesty and money? Was he not chosen by Boko Haram to represent them at a proposed negotiation meeting in Saudi Arabia? Is he not the biggest political mouthpiece for Boko Haram? Jonathan went to Borno and bombs from Boko Haram were raining cats and dogs, Buhari appears and the whole Maiduguri was on lockdown with young men supporting him carrying guns and arms around. Buhari wants to establish total Sharia in Nigeria and Boko Haram says it won’t be laying down its arms until the whole Nigeria accepts Sharia. What other evidence do you need? Or you think serious-minded people are buying the falsehood that he’s going to attack Boko Haram militarily? He is more likely to commission them into the Nigerian army if he wins! Hehe!
“But please tell us, didn't the Australian negotiator employed by the President said that it is those around the President who are sponsoring Boko Haram. The man actually accused former Governor Sheriff and former army chief, Azubuike Ihejirika, of backing BH.
Australian who? Now you have just showed you are not serious!
“3. Now, didn't the President tell Nigerians back in 2012 that Boko Haram's sponsors are in his government
http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/3360-boko-haram-has-infiltrated-my-government-says-jonathan.html….”
And you want me to debate this with you? Your own understanding of what the president was saying was that he knew these people in his government just because he suspects or thinks that there are saboteurs within? Well, Jonathan is not like your Buhari who can shoot and kill anyone on mere suspicion or gut feeling. There is what we call due process. The President’s mere suspicion is not enough.
“4. Was Buhari ever part of Jonathan's administration?”
Does he have to be part of Jonathan’s administration to contribute ideas to national security? Is he not a member of the Council of State? Do they as opposition have to celebrate every Boko Haram strike as though it’s a strike against Jonathan? What has Buhari done as a former Head of State to address the Boko Haram problem except attack Jonathan and the army? In other climes, the opposition joins government to combat terrorism; they do not stand aside and blame government till the cows come home.
“5. You said Buhari put many in jail. Please tell us, are you saying people like Akinloye, Akinjide, Dikko, Nwobodo, Wayas are (were) saints and didn't not loot the treasury? I was in Nigerian at the time; the foundation for the current culture of impunity was laid by most of the people the Buhari-Idiagbon's regime sent to jail. Yes, it wasn't perfect but it's arguably what was needed at the time as most people I know at the time were yearning for a J.J Rawlings”.
Nonsense! Was it rocket science to use available laws and processes to try people you think have breached the rules? Do you have to establish tribunals to wickedly jail people for hundreds of years and make a sham of justice just because you think those you are arresting and trying are guilty of the offences you are accusing them of? If the offences were so glaring, why not follow due process? Why did you think the NBA refused to be part of the sham? It’s arguments like yours that make me shake my head in pity. You with your education and exposure are talking like this? I sorry for you!
“I've provided evidence now please provide some as well to back up your allegations. You are right; talk is cheap, fact is sacred”.
You’ve provided nothing. I’m even more disappointed by your latter argument than with your original accusation. Please, go ahead and vote your Buhari. Nigerians are wiser.
..
Correction: so disappointed in your tales by moonlight that I changed your name from Kennedy to Kenneth. I apologize for that error. Please, learn not to infuriate people with your anti-Buhari self-righteous opinion about Jonathan. As I write, there is scarcity of fuel now. I bet, that is Buhari's fault too. After all, he caused Bokoharam?
--
dear director-general of africana studies, the caliphate of california,
na wa oh !
not lakunle the village schoolteacher who so comically embraces his ill-digested values of western ways comes to mind, but his belle, sidi, in this short exchange:
SIDI: Is that the truth? Swear! Ask Ogun to
Strike you dead.
GIRL: Ogun strike me dead if I lie.
you ought not to be asking me such a question. such screaming, big, black, bold letters – oga i fear yu o! what is this - a query? messenger! bring me the file? what kind of answer do you want from himelberg? - himmel – that’s heaven in german and in swedish too and as you know i’m still a zillion light years away from that place in outer space and by the way, my name goes under this variety of spelling - all the way to my great great grand father franz.
Well. Niggers don't own nothing,
got no flag, even out names
are hand-me-downs
and you don't change that
by calling yourself X:
sometimes that just makes it worse,
like obliterating the path that leads back
to whence you came, and
to where you can begin. (James Baldwin)
are you sure that you are not talking to the wrong nigger of nigerian ancestry when yu make these demands of me? maybe, you want me to break dance for you - to show-off dance, start with shaking my shoulders like my igbo brethren and the rump, all the way down to the heels and the toes?
Dear G. Ugo Nwokeji,
It’s 16. 13 p.m over here and I haven’t even had breakfast or brunch yet. Of course it’s all cultural and I’ll be clarifying everything for you a little later on. Linguistically, I’m flexible. I haven’t finished with your man kennedy emetulu yet.
Cornelius Hamelberg
...
dear director-general of africana studies, the caliphate of california,
na wa oh !
not lakunle the village schoolteacher who has so comically embraces his ill-digested values of western ways comes to mind, but his belle, sidi, in this short exchange:
SIDI: Is that the truth? Swear! Ask Ogun to
Strike you dead.
GIRL: Ogun strike me dead if I lie.
you ought not to be asking me such a question. such screaming, big, black, bold letters – oga i fear yu o! what is this - a query? messenger! bring me the file? what kind of answer do you want from himelberg? - himmel – that’s heaven in german and in swedish too and as you know i’m still a zillion light years away from that place in outer space and by the way, my name goes under this variety of spelling - all the way to my great great grand father franz.
Well. Niggers don't own nothing,
got no flag, even out names
are hand-me-downs
and you don't change that
by calling yourself X:
sometimes that just makes it worse,
like obliterating the path that leads back
to whence you came, and
to where you can begin. (James Baldwin)
are you sure that you are not talking to the wrong nigger of nigerian ancestry when yu make these demands of me? maybe, you want me to break dance for you - to show-off dance, start with shaking my shoulders like my igbo brethren and the rump, all the way down to the heels and the toes?
Dear G. Ugo Nwokeji,
...
From the same one who asked,
“But who is to guard the guard themselves?”
the same one who said,
“Many suffer from the incurable disease of writing,
and it becomes chronic in their sick minds”
“...prima est haec ultio quod se
Judice nemo nocens absolvitur”
(This is the first punishments, that no
Guilty man is acquitted if judged by himself)
It's time for you to take yet another closer look at our diversity:
“Niggers don't own nothing,
got no flag, even our names
“I guess it's cultural, your many crude expressions, your distasteful distortions, your many blows below the belt and just in case you don't know any better, let me tell you, that's enough to alienate any impartial observers you may be addressing. One more thing and I know that you're not a poet, but short of your discourse being couched in the form of an epic poem, you ought not to tax your readers' patience or goodwill with such an extended boring political diatribe. Readers too have their rights you know, even illiterate readers.”
Kennedy Emetulu's has an axe to grind with Chatham House and Mr. Buhari's guest appearance there. His lack of respect clarifies why Goodluck Jonathan's spokesman Doyin Okupe wants to criminalise certain kinds of bad-mouthing of his boss. Kennedy E does not accord Mr. Buhari the same kind of respect that's in place for our Elder, Mr. Buhari. His rebuttal may well be, should he respect those who are not deserving of his respect?
If it's a close textual anal-ysis you want, I'll oblige you with a few examples of the crudity rolled into one sweet ball - the crude expressions, the distasteful distortions, the blows below the belt that illustrate what you want clarified for you: this is the kind of language that you would probably not be willing to countenance in a reporting of your maiden speech or Presidential lecture and here I have in mind Kwame Anthony Appiah's “The Honor Code”
Cultural isn't it? Cultivated high prose that serves its purpose and I can imagine Pa Ikhide taking on Naipaul for slighting his Nigeria with such words:
“the fits of clapping by claques well-schooled in celebrating poop flakes carried by hot air”
“a wall of Nigerians chanting "Buhari-Ole (thief)! Tinubu-Ole! Atiku-Barawo! Amaechi-Ony'oshi! El Rufai-Ole!" I loved the chant and even did a little jig to it on the street of St James's Square!”
“The clapping claques at this point were going joyously bonkers! A Lincoln has come to judgment, they farted out loudly!”
As for the fallacies (though his was not a philosophical discourse, he was just letting out (as we say in Nigeria) “breeze”
“I mean, spotting a boil on the left side of his jaw, Buhari is evidently in London primarily for some other reason and not for a talk....” ( Emetulu, K.) I suppose that if Mr. Buhari had turned up with a stomach looking like nine-months pregnant then Mr. Emetulu would have come to the equally sound conclusion that Mr. Buhari was obviously in London (as we say in Nigeria) to “put to bed”
Another distortion of facts: that Mr. Buhari “made the nation one huge prison as he tortured his fellow citizens mercilessly in the name of fighting indiscipline and corruption.” (Emetulu)
Is that a fact?
You notice that I haven’t said a word about Emetulu’s sordidly accusing Mr. Buhari of being Boko Haram’s godfather. I’ll kick his sorry ass at another time.
About his understanding of the preparations and the actual holding of that Chatham House meeting, that “they ensured that only Buhari supporters and a few members of the APC's foreign captive audience were there in the room” later, “ To save face, Chatham House was conscripted into a conspiracy to keep its door open for Buhari, his followers and his foreign supporters while this same door was shut firmly against other Nigerians as they ran the charade of Buhari”
As far as I know, those who want to attend such closed door meetings have to register well in advance - - there should be some vetting of course – and it's usually first come first served - but vetting there must be and not only for security reasons (When Morgan Tsvangirai talked at SIDA in Stockholm, my good friend , the late Jean-Claude Njem called him out as an “uncle tom” - Jean-Claude also verbally assaulted Wole Soyinka ( for not including Paul Biya in the pantheon of demons) when Mr Soyinka dropped down in Stockholm during his world tour to mobilise support against Sani Abacha - in the case of Thabo Mbeki (at SIDA in Stockholm) – someone stood up to do some verbal damage but started trembling - and so lost the occasion) conclusion : at such meetings there has to be vetting, so that the purpose of the meeting is not defeated and the purpose would have been defeated if it was so arranged that Mr. Buhari should face a gang of PDP hooligans behind closed doors.
This too is getting kinda long, it's not an epic poem or even an epic petition set to music as this big hit whilst I was in Nigeria: Lettre à Mr. le Directeur Général - Franco & Rochereau 1983
Three things
a) If this is true, “Buhari, the new darling of the West” as Kennedy Emetulu reads it, then why isn't Goodluck Jonathan much more a darling of the West? Or isn’t he?
b) “that apart from the civil war era, no other time has Nigeria been this insecure.” Is this true or false?
c) However, I quite agree with Mr. Emetulu about this one and I've thought about it hard and long even before the first postponement, that “there is still room for the postponement of the election by INEC lawfully and constitutionally if need be ”I must now join our last guest
“He wandered in a treasure-house
Of inward prizes, strove to bring Fleeting messages of time
To tall expressions, to granite arches
Spanned across landslides of the past.” (Soyinka)
Respectfully,
...
…
Ikhide,
Politics does not happen in a vacuum. Yes, Jonathan is today my choice, but he wouldn’t be my choice if Nigerian politics offered us real choices, rather than a Hobson’s choice. Or in rejecting my choice, have you now accepted the other choice, which is Buhari? Yes, let’s not be doe-eyed about our politics. On March 28, only two viable choices are available – Buhari and Jonathan. Choose your poison! Don’t dance on the fence, because Nigeria will wake up the next day to have one of them elected as President!
I might not like Jonathan, but where the other choice is Buhari, I will embrace Jonathan so tightly, you will think he’s my father! That is the point here. Two bad choices, one must be chosen! I’m not sitting aside and pretending I’m some kind of conscientious objector (as I was in the last election). This time, with Buhari in it this close the stakes are higher! Of course, I value what you say, because you are a decent and honest thinker, but I’ve never regarded you as a political thinker. You are just an iconoclast who disagrees with the system, but you are not offering any way out. What we have is what we have. I really do not care what Buharists say, because their choice is not better than mine. Yeah, you sit in judgment over me, not them!
….
SholaIre o!Chief Ikhide, let's not ethnicized this.3. Most of these Yoruba intellectuals sided with Jonathan, like most Yoruba people, four years ago. And yes, they overwhelmingly rejected Buhari. Or don't you remember 2011 anymore? Did you praise these Yoruba intellectuals then for not supporting Buhari or did you condemn them for supporting Jonathan? Again, there is Google!
1. These Yoruba intellectuals are the same people who vigorously campaigned against Obasanjo's third-term project. Or don't you remember OBJ and his agenda?
2. It's the same intellectuals who fought on behalf on President Jonathan when the likes of Gusau and Dasuki were against the President taking over as C-in-C - as stipulated by the constitution - after the death of the late President Yar'Adua. Yes, the very same Gusau and Dasuki who are ironically now Jonathan's best friends! Or have you forgotten this terrible period as well and the role these Yoruba intellectuals played in ensuring Jonathan came to power? Do you want me to Google this?4. Didn't Tinubu - yes, he is a thief who deserves to rot in jail - supported Jonathan and threw Ribadu under the bus back in 2011? Did you attack Tinubu as vigorously as you are now doing? Again, there is Google!5. If these Yoruba people are not supporting Jonathan in 2015 and instead throwing their support behind Buhari - a man who lost presidential elections in 2003, 2007 and 2011, don't you think that this election is not about Tinubu or Buhari, but a referendum on Jonathan?6. If President Obama had said in 2012 that terrorists - KKK and Al Quada - have infiltrated his government, do you think most of those who voted for him would have done so? Do you think the media would have taken him seriously as as a leader?I respect you views on many thanks, but on this I totally disagree with you.
…BUHARI’S CHATHAM HOUSE CHARADE: NOT A STATESMANLIKE PRESENTATION AND NOT A STATESMANLIKE EXIT!
..
Segun Ogungbemi,
May the Lord bless you and your generation and generations! This is what we have to deal with now in the name of partisan politics. You criticise someone’s preferred candidate or you don’t agree with them on something and they fabricate stories wholly from their own dangerous, but fertile imagination and go to town with it. I don’t know this vermin called Salimonu Kadiri, I have never worked for any government agency in Nigeria in my life, I do not do contracts or any kind of work for government or any public agency, I have never met Jonathan nor anyone involved in running the SURE-P programme at any level in my life, yet the fool came here a couple of months ago or so to say I work for SURE-P and that he has evidence of more than hundred pages to expose me. I called him out here and asked him to show his evidence, he couldn’t. All he did was just continue to insult me, supported by Mr Cornelius Hamelberg, who could not tell him to support his silly claims. In fact, no one on the forum asked him to. Those who spoke were keener for me to keep quiet.
It’s clear now that anytime I write anything on the forum, his default response now is to make this claim. So, please, ask him yourself and maybe this time, he would clear the shame and present his evidence or at least give an explanation why he thinks I work for SURE-P. You can see that the old idiot, IBK is already repeating it, as some others here. It tells you how foolish some people who posture as intellectuals or thinkers can be when they think a totally false accusation against you in the midst of otherwise decent company will shut you up and stop you from expressing yourself. Anyway, whatever they say about me is a reflection on them, not me. It’s about values and I know none of them can lace up my boots. They are liars, cowards and creepy-crawlies who will always move around on their bellies and think with their arses till the end of time.
Thank you, my brother.
….
--
Ogbeni Kennedy Emetulu,
You who who solicit support with some flattering preambles such as,”May the Lord bless all of your ancestors” etc...
OK, you have ”never worked for any Govt. Agency in Nigeria”
What about out of Nigeria?
You think that your honour is more sacred than the honour of Muhammadu Buhari who – without proof - accuse of having stolen 2.8 billion....!!!
The man himself has told you that he never touched a kobo
Falsely accusing innocent men.
So, where is your proof?
Cornelius of We Sweden
is kindly asking....
..
Segun Ogungbemi,
May the Lord bless you and your generation and generations! This is what we have to deal with now in the name of partisan politics. You criticise someone’s preferred candidate or you don’t agree with them on something and they fabricate stories wholly from their own dangerous, but fertile imagination and go to town with it. I don’t know this vermin called Salimonu Kadiri, I have never worked for any government agency in Nigeria in my life, I do not do contracts or any kind of work for government or any public agency, I have never met Jonathan nor anyone involved in running the SURE-P programme at any level in my life, yet the fool came here a couple of months ago or so to say I work for SURE-P and that he has evidence of more than hundred pages to expose me. I called him out here and asked him to show his evidence, he couldn’t. All he did was just continue to insult me, supported by Mr Cornelius Hamelberg, who could not tell him to support his silly claims. In fact, no one on the forum asked him to. Those who spoke were keener for me to keep quiet.
It’s clear now that anytime I write anything on the forum, his default response now is to make this claim. So, please, ask him yourself and maybe this time, he would clear the shame and present his evidence or at least give an explanation why he thinks I work for SURE-P. You can see that the old idiot, IBK is already repeating it, as some others here. It tells you how foolish some people who posture as intellectuals or thinkers can be when they think a totally false accusation against you in the midst of otherwise decent company will shut you up and stop you from expressing yourself. Anyway, whatever they say about me is a reflection on them, not me. It’s about values and I know none of them can lace up my boots. They are liars, cowards and creepy-crawlies who will always move around on their bellies and think with their arses till the end of time.
Thank you, my brother.
….
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 3:20 AM, Segun Ogungbemi <segun...@gmail.com> wrote:"Kennedy Emetulu is an employee ofJonathan's Subsidy Reinvestment Empowerment Programme (SURE-P) andhe is doing his worst to satisfy his employer."Kennedy,Is the above statement true or false? This forum wants to know.
Prof. Segun OgungbemiKennedy Emetulu is an em
...
--
BY BUNMI AWOYEMIBREAKING NEWS - I HEREBY DECAMP TO THE SIDE OF TRUTH - BLAME THE APC THAT HAS NEVER BEEN IN POWER AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL FOR ALL NIGERIA'S PROBLEMSAPC is to blame for fuel scarcity.
APC is to blame for the kidnap of the Chibok girls
APC is to blame for 30 minutes per week power supply
APC is to blame for the fall in the value of the naira
APC is to blame for the missing $20b
APC is to blame for the loss of 500k barrels of crude oil and $50m per day to oil theft for 4 years when crude oil sold above $100 per barel
APC is to blame for the comatose state of Nigeria's healthcare system
APC is to blame for the drastic fall in the price of crude oil
APC is to blame for the loss of over $54b to a so called power infrastructure development for the last 16 years
APC is to blame for the loss of N4.34 trillion out of N4.4 trillion of Nigeria's defense budget of the last 5 years to corruption
APC is to blame for the failure of the government to arm the armed forces with modern weapons and military hardware.
APC is to blame for the failure to diversify the Nigerian economy for 16 years.
APC is to blame for the loss of over 25k people to insurgency.
APC is to blame for the displacement of over 2m people from their homes because of insurgency.
APC is to blame for the death of over 30 people at the NIS recruitment exercise of 2014 after over 600k unemployed graduates were charged N1k for the filling of 5k vacancies
APC is to blame for all the bad federal roads in Nigeria.
APC is to blame for the raiding of the Excess Crude account that dipped from $20b to $1b.
APC is to blame for the rise in the rate of unemployment from 24% to 65%.
APC is to blame for massive failures recorded in NECO and WAEC exams in Nigeria
APC is to blame for disobedience of court orders.
APC is to blame for the reduction of our Foreign Reserve from over $60b in 2008 to $32b today.
APC is to blame for the high rate of crime in the country.
APC is to blame for the fall in the standard of education in Nigeria.
APC is to blame for a Ministry of Water Resources that produces zero water and fails to encourage private investment in water generation and distribution.
APC is to blame for the dwarfing of our stature and status in the comity of nations.
APC is to blame for a situation where poor nations like Chad, Niger, and Cameroon are helping us to maintain our territorial integrity.
APC is to blame for the failure of the President to present evidence of his Ph.D degree and dissertation.
APC is to blame for all the ASUU strikes of the last 16 years.
APC is to blame for all the ASUP strikes of the last 16 years.
APC is to blame for Nigeria declining from a nation that sent troops to countries like Chad, Sierrea Leone, Liberia, Congo, etc to help end civil wars in their countries to a country that is now begging for other countries to rescue its crippled army from rag tag, school-boy insurgents.
APC is to blame for dashing of 10% of Nigeria's territory to Boko Haram.
APC is to blame for the failure of the current administration to tackle insurgency for 6 years and for its magical ability to now crush the insurgency within 6 weeks.
APC is to blame for the continuous rise in the prices of essential commodities in the midst of the so called revolution in the agric. sector in the last 5 years.
APC is to blame for the failure of the President of Nigeria to address the international community on three different occasions overseas because he got himself drunk into stupor.
APC is to blame for the President's decision to maintain 11 Presidential Jets when the Prime Ministers of Britain and Australia travel by commercial flights.
APC is to blame for the Presidency budgeting N5m per day for food.
APC is to blame for the presidency budgeting N17b for power generators.
APC is to blame for the loss of N30 trillion to corruption at the federal level in just 5 years.
APC is to blame for the failure of the FG to pay the salary of civil servants.
APC is to blame for 16>19, 7>19 and 6>19 political calculation.
APC is to blame for the forced shift in the date of the Presidential poll from Feb. 14th to March 28.
APC is to blame for INEC's adoption of the idea of PVCs and card readers.
APC is to blame for the INEC Chairman's insistence on conducting free and fair elections.Posted by Jumbo.
..Según Ogungbemi,Don't waste your time waiting for a reasonable response from these intellectual midgets. Cornelius Hamelberg has given you an idea of what they'd come up with as justification for their silly accusation: I accused Buhari unjustly of stealing 2.8 billion without proof, so they must also accuse me of working for SURE-P without proof. Awon on'iranu!...On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Segun Ogungbemi <segun...@gmail.com> wrote:--Our Colleague Kadiri,Below is what Kennedy says. Do you have any concrete proof or evidence that he works for a federal agency called SURE-P? If any member of this forum has any information that Kennedy is a federal government worker, please tell us."Salimonu Kadiri, I have never worked for any government agency in Nigeria in my life, I do not do contracts or any kind of work for government or any public agency, I have never met Jonathan nor anyone involved in running the SURE-P programme at any level in my life, yet the fool came here a couple of months ago or so to say I work for SURE-P and that he has evidence of more than hundred pages to expose me. I called him out here and asked him to show his evidence, he couldn’t."
Prof. Segun OgungbemiSalimonu Kadiri, I have never worked for any government agency in Nigeria in my life, I do not do contracts or any kind of work for government or any public agency, I have never met Jonathan nor anyone involved in running the SURE-P programme at any level in my life, yet the fool came here a couple of months ago or so to say I work for SURE-P and that he has evidence of more than hundred pages to expose me. I called him out here and asked him to show his evidence, he couldn’t. All he did was just continueListserv moderated by Toyin Falola, University of Texas at Austin
To post to this group, send an email to USAAfric...@googlegroups.com
...
I can’t believe some of the things that I read from folks on this forum.
One makes an accusation against another and the accused chooses to ignore it. And the logical conclusion from such is that “Silence means consent or agreement…”. Really? If you call me an idiot and I refrain from abusing you back, then I must indeed be an idiot. Thank God for the delete button on keyboards!
Emeka Oguejiofor
| My Sister, What if Buhari loses the election come March 30 or April 1when the results must all have come in, who get to scratch the head? I don't think anyone, not you and certainly not Kennedy, should come out on a limb on this issue. It is certain that the election will be very interesting. My own political adrenalin is already fired. But the most we can epistemically say is: at least someone will win (and even that isn't sacrosanct because anything--ANYTHING--can still happen). So? Adeshina Afolayan Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
|
|
|
|
|
Adding my thin voice to this loud drumming on Buhari/Jonathan candidature initiated by Kennedy, I suggest that Kennedy does his atilogu dance alone without any audience participation. I do appreciate Salimonu's position and his detailed explanation. Kennedy has been harping about Buhari for a while and I have consciously ignore a lot of his fallacious statements. Now, when his irrationality became unbearable and people responded, his option is to throw insults at every contributor. The idea of this forum is to share ideas that will promote Africans and Africa. Unfortunately, I haven't met Kennedy but his body nuances and language show he is not a debater but a tribalist, and this is another setback for Nigeria outside corruption. Obviously, if you do not agree with him, then you are an enemy. Done.
Thanks a lot brother Salimonu Kadiri for your insight.
Ofure
Ofure O. M. Aito (PhD) (University of Lagos)
Department of English and Communications
College of Humanities
Redeemer's University, Mowe
Ogun State, Nigeria
You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "USA Africa Dialogue Series" group.
To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/usaafricadialogue/LX_xXBO2050/unsubscribe.
To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to usaafricadialo...@googlegroups.com.
To subscribe to this group, send an email to USAAfricaDial...@googlegroups.com
Current archives at http://groups.google.com/group/USAAfricaDialogue
Early archives at http://www.utexas.edu/conferences/africa/ads/index.html
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "USA Africa Dialogue Series" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to usaafricadialo...@googlegroups.com.
My brother,
Your point is well articulated and taken. In fact, I am done with political conversations because my adrenalin is also high. Good question 'what if the other wins, what happens?' It is all a Dance in the Forest. As it is the election has created such political consciousness in Nigerians and that itself is an achievement and some satisfaction. Done!
Thanks for the gifts of your master piece - Figurine- sent to me through my graduate student. More grease... !
Ofure O. M. Aito (PhD) (University of Lagos)
Department of English and Communications
College of Humanities
Redeemer's University, Mowe
Ogun State, Nigeria
To subscribe to this group, send an email to USAAfricaDial...@googlegroups.com
Current archives at http://groups.google.com/group/USAAfricaDialogue
Early archives at http://www.utexas.edu/conferences/africa/ads/index.html
---
You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "USA Africa Dialogue Series" group.
To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/usaafricadialogue/LX_xXBO2050/unsubscribe.
To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to usaafricadialo...@googlegroups.com.

SK,
Please keep up the good work.
Regards.
Olatunji Oladejo
The great American poet, Maya Angelou says hate “has caused a lot of problems in the world, but has not solved one yet.” Some people, however, do not know that. Or rather, they have closed their minds to it. So, what did they do on Thursday last week, when Gen. Muhammadu Buhari was to speak at Chatham House, in London? They also carried their bags of hate, and hired protesters who were to heckle, harass and pester the former military leader.
A leaked memo from official circles showed that the Nigerian government was behind the despicable action. The Assistant Director, Civil Society and Support Group (Diaspora) had asked for the sum of $20,000 (over N4 million at current exchange rate), noting: “Nigerians in the Diaspora will converge at Chatham House, United Kingdom on Thursday, 26th of February, 2015 to show solidarity and support for President Goodluck Ebele Jonathan and his transformation agenda in Nigeria as a surprise to the august visitor, the presidential candidate of the All Progressives Congress.”
The memo was copied to Professor Rufai Ahmed Alkali, Special Adviser on Political Affairs to President Jonathan.
Apparently, the money was released, as what the memo said would happen at Chatham House played out to the letter. Some Nigerian youths in Diaspora were on hand to attempt a verbal lynching of Gen. Buhari as he arrived at the event. But they made such a poor showing of it, obviously because there was no conviction behind their actions. They were mere hirelings who did not even have a grasp of why they were there, nor an understanding of the person they were supposed to protest against. Of course, most of them were either not born, or were too young to know Gen. Buhari as military head of state 32 years ago.
It was a comedy of errors, as a journalist tried to interview the emergency protesters. Hear the journalist:
“They are Nigerians who are struggling here. Some of them, actually (I’m talking about the ladies), are from the red light districts here. Some of the youths are unkempt… and they are obviously struggling.”
And truly, the youths struggled to defend what they were out there to do. One was asked why he was part of the protest, and he responded: “Because we don’t want dictatorship in Nigeria anymore.” Asked further what he knew about Gen. Buhari, he retorted: “I just heard about him from people I saw earlier on.”
Have you done your homework, the reporter wanted to know.
“Not at all.”
So, how did you come about this protest?
“I don’t know what to say. I’m not prepared for this interview,” the young man said.
A female protester was asked why she was on the march, and she said: “I don’t really know much about politics,” adding that she was there to support President Goodluck Jonathan.
But what do you really have against Buhari, she was asked.
“I’m not against anyone,” she responded.
That was the trend that ran through the interviews with the hirelings. Hapless Nigerian youths, possibly forced out of their motherland by poor and uninspiring governance, and who were ready to be recruited for crumbs falling from the tables of their oppressors. What I felt for those young people was actually pity, and a bit of compassion. Are these not supposed to be future leaders? Cry, the beloved country!
But the chatterboxes at Chatham House were not done. The queen of them all was a female caught by an undercover reporter in what you can call a sting operation. She was the one who organised the protest, and her leaking mouth gave out so much information.
She first identified herself as Abi, and later as Adijatu. She boasted that she mobilised the young Nigerians by bus from Manchester to London, and that most of them were graduates, while some others were about to get higher degrees.
The reporter, who obviously used a secret camera, asked if she could set up a similar protest for him possibly in New York. The basket mouth said it could be done in Maryland, Dublin, anywhere.
When asked how much it would cost, she promised to give her phone number and other details to the reporter. And on why she was on the side of Goodluck Jonathan, she said he was a heavy spender, while Buhari was a low spender. Of course, no romance without finance! So, she went with the deep pocket.
Privileged information later revealed that the protesting youths were paid about 80 pounds each. Eighty pounds! That is the worth of the Nigerian youth. For that amount, he could be ferried by bus from Manchester to London, to take part in a protest he does not even understand. Those youths, who should be getting ready to assume leadership positions, were selling their birthrights for a mess of porridge. And in future they would want that birthright back, just like the biblical Esau, and it would be too late. They would weep and wail, but it would amount to nothing. Unscrupulous leaders have bought their birthright for thirty pieces of silver, the price of a slave. Youths are the glory of any country. But the glory of Nigeria is slain at Chatham House. How are the mighty fallen! Tell it not in London, publish it not in the streets of Manchester.
Hatred is at full steam in Nigeria. Hate campaigns. Hate documentaries. Hate advertisements. Boko Haram is hate. Threat of war from former Niger Delta militants is hate. Hate at Chatham House, in Okrika where campaign rallies are bombed, in Bauchi and Katsina, where the convoy of the president is pelted with stones. Hate everywhere. Saying a presidential candidate is brain-dead is hate. When you say a man has no academic qualification, and his illustrious classmates come out to vouch for him, and his old school also releases his result, yet you refuse to still believe, it is hate. The onus then is on you to prove what you claim. Finish! Hate almost killed Rwanda. It turned Kigali to killing fields, where hundreds of thousands of people were slain in fits of fury. Is Nigeria on the road to Kigali? It is hate that is the fuel of that journey. There’s no petrol in filling stations in some parts of the country now. But Nigerians have plenty hate in their tanks. And it is enough to take them to Kigali. One religion against the other, ethnic groups against one another. Deep seated animosities, narrow mindedness, politics of vendetta. All these will kill Nigeria, unless a stop can be put to the bile, the hatred, and the spleen. Nigeria is dying, and we don’t seem to know it. Must campaigns be so churlish and ill tempered? Must there be downright lies, concocted stories, ill will and evil machinations as we see around us? “I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate him.” (Booker T. Washington). But our leaders and politicians have spawned so much hate, and those who bought it have had their souls narrowed and degraded. They can maim, kill and destroy at the drop of a hat. Nigeria is dying, and we don’t seem to take it to heart.
“Hatred is the coward’s revenge for being intimidated.” (George Bernard Shaw). Some people are so intimidated, terrified about how the elections may go, so they are sowing hate and bile in the people. Must a country die because it held elections? Think, Nigeria, think.
Let’s look at the brighter side of Chatham, apart from the chatterboxes. Didn’t you like Buhari’s poise and calm? Wasn’t the speech he read so well put together? Didn’t you see sincerity oozing out of his ever pore?
“I have heard and read references to me as a former dictator in many respected British newspapers including the well regarded Economist. Let me say without sounding defensive that dictatorship goes with military rule, though some might be less dictatorial than others. I take responsibility for whatever happened under my watch.
“I cannot change the past. But I can change the present and the future. So, before you is a former military ruler and a converted democrat who is ready to operate under democratic norms and is subjecting himself to the rigours of democratic elections for the fourth time.”
Beautiful! Splendid. O pari. Shikena. Okwu agwu. Finito. Buhari’s metamorphosis is complete, except for those who are in the grip of relentless hatred, consumed by paroxysms of bitterness, grudge and acidity. To such, I will recommend the words of William Shakespeare in Richard III, when he wrote about hatred, and declared: “Out of my sight! Thou dost infect mine eyes!”
………………………………………………………………………"