gotta give 'em credits

[Jon Delfin]

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/stephen-colbert-late-show-credit-sequence-batiste-1235057860/

but I bet the announcer will continue to lie at the end and say "live on tape"

[Dave Sikula]

Hope they enjoy it. I found it vertiginous, too fast, and capable of causing nausea.

Rather than work on the credits, I wish they'd work on the writing and Colbert's interviewing. Tonight's panel with Martin, Short, and Gomez was a train wreck, with no focus, wit, or enlightenment. It was four people all talking over each other to no effect. If a talk show can't make at least two of those people interesting, it's the show's fault.

--Dave Sikula

[M-D November]

I still prefer the Season 1 (pre-live-shows) credit sequence, but I don't hate this one.  

[Bob Jersey]

Understandable to me, having "been there" symptomatologically...  B

Dave Sikula, to Jon Delfin, in part, September 8th:

[Mark Jeffries]

Unfortunately, as long as they are top-rated in the time slot and on social media (unless you want to count what some say about "Gutfeld!"), Licht isn't going to change anything that's important.  Considering that Colbert still has the writers that supported the Rev. Dr. Stephen T. Colbert, D.F.A. character so well on the "Report," it's amazing that they seem to be going through the motions.

(For the record, they've also started squeezing back the first break ads to do behind-the-scenes shots and lower thirds telling what's coming up and moving up the last local break so that the show's last act is now either the musical guest or the last guest into the goodnights.  The plug for tomorrow night's guest goes into the next-to-last break with the band playing the break music, not the theme with canned cheering, and there's no plug now for "Tooning Out the News."  And the CBS logo bug is now in the left-hand corner of the screen, but that has to be network-wide.)

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[daves...@gmail.com]

Timing has been fakakta since the return from the long break. Chris Wallace was given so much time last night that poor Holland Taylor (whom I don't really like, but whom I also imagine has amassed some pretty good stories over the decades) for maybe three minutes jammed into the end. She looked very distressed as Colbert was billboarding Corden, as though she had forgotten to say something important.

I wonder, do they make the audience sit through the recorded band appearances? Considering how awful they are, it'd be a blessing. I also have to wonder if and when Meyers will get his studio audience back. Personally, I enjoy the crowd-free shows, but since Colbert and Fallon are each working live (as will Oliver this weekend), it's obviously not an NYC thing keeping people away,

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[Paul Murray]

>  Chris Wallace was given so much time last night

It sure didn't feel like that to me trying to watch his portion, given the constant ad breaks. Although you're right that Holland Taylor was barely on.

They should've deep-sixed the lame emoji "comedy" bit to allow more time for the guests.

[Mark Jeffries]

Before, they had two breaks virtually back-to-back around :50, with the only "program" separating them the billboard for tomorrow and the "Tooning Out the News" plug.  That allowed the segments to be longer.  Now they aren't.

Also, Licht seems to want to follow the Leno producers' dictum that you don't bring the guests out until the second half and that you have to have the first half as solid comedy.  Even if you don't have a half-hour of good material.  And why is Colbert still explaining the premise of "Meanwhile..."?  (I know, Ed didn't need to do the whole Carnac intro every time, except we looked forward to hearing it.)

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[Bob Jersey]

I think they do... we'd likely have heard otherwise.   B

Dave Sikula, to Mark Jeffries, in part, Sept 9th:

[Jim Ellwanger]

I went to a taping of "Conan" some years back where the musical guest had been recorded in advance, and they did not show the recorded performance to the audience.

This is material from that taping that didn't appear in the show as broadcast, beginning with Conan explaining the situation to the audience during the commercial break: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ozIfSxda0Q   (Timothy Olyphant's "underwear" reference relates to him complaining during his interview that Ellen DeGeneres gives away underwear to her audiences.)

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[David Bruggeman]

Can confirm the same thing was done for a taping of Ferguson's Late Late Show.  Cake had been recorded months ago, and we got the bad news just before that segment would have been taped if they were in studio.

Of course, they were taping two that day, and it was certainly easier on their schedule not to show it.

David

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My impression of Ferguson's show was that it was a jigsaw puzzle at best, with pieces being created and assembled with no order beyond  "Who's available today?," with Act 1 taped Monday, Act 2 Thursday, Act 3 the following Tuesday, and Act 4 the previous Wednesday.

As well, I think his LLS made the same mistake Colbert does, loading the first half with sub-par comedy. The difference is that Ferguson did great panels, throwing away the blue cards and having real conversations. Colbert -- at least when in the Ed -- has shown no ability to do that. After all this time, he's still as terrible an interviewer as Fallon (though I have to assume that latter is still the case, since I've never been able to stomach more than five minutes of his show).

--Dave Sikula

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On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 5:56 PM daves...@gmail.com <daves...@gmail.com> wrote:

My impression of Ferguson's show was that it was a jigsaw puzzle at best, with pieces being created and assembled with no order beyond  "Who's available today?," with Act 1 taped Monday, Act 2 Thursday, Act 3 the following Tuesday, and Act 4 the previous Wednesday.

Having attended tapings of several Ferguson shows, what you describe mostly stopped when he moved into the bigger studio. The smaller studio had to be reconfigured for musical guests and comics. The only thing often shot out of sequence in the later episodes was the cold open before the credits. 

As well, I think his LLS made the same mistake Colbert does, loading the first half with sub-par comedy. The difference is that Ferguson did great panels, throwing away the blue cards and having real conversations. Colbert -- at least when in the Ed -- has shown no ability to do that. After all this time, he's still as terrible an interviewer as Fallon (though I have to assume that latter is still the case, since I've never been able to stomach more than five minutes of his show).

I was predisposed to like Ferguson’s improv comedy style in the top half of the show; true, the humor didn’t always land, but it landed with greater frequency than Leno or Kimmel (I can’t watch the others, so can’t compare).

--Dave Sikula

On Friday, September 10, 2021, 03:46:20 PM PDT, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Can confirm the same thing was done for a taping of Ferguson's Late Late Show.  Cake had been recorded months ago, and we got the bad news just before that segment would have been taped if they were in studio.

Of course, they were taping two that day, and it was certainly easier on their schedule not to show it.

David

On Friday, September 10, 2021, 03:22:36 PM PDT, Jim Ellwanger <trai...@ellwanger.tv> wrote:

I went to a taping of "Conan" some years back where the musical guest had been recorded in advance, and they did not show the recorded performance to the audience.

This is material from that taping that didn't appear in the show as broadcast, beginning with Conan explaining the situation to the audience during the commercial break: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ozIfSxda0Q   (Timothy Olyphant's "underwear" reference relates to him complaining during his interview that Ellen DeGeneres gives away underwear to her audiences.)

On Sep 10, 2021, at 3:04 PM, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I think they do... we'd likely have heard otherwise.   B

Dave Sikula, to Mark Jeffries, in part, Sept 9th:

I wonder, do they make the audience sit through the recorded band appearances? Considering how awful they are, it'd be a blessing.

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