Unable to import metadata (fields) from file along with tiddler content

[David Nebauer]

In the process of transferring data into TW5 on node-js, I've been trying to import tiddler files as described in https://tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlerFiles. I have tried including metadata fields at the head of the tiddler file, but they were imported as tiddler text. I tried moving the metadata to a separate meta file, but the meta file was not imported with the tiddler. I tried importing both the tiddler and meta files together but each was imported to its own tiddler, the latter as a plain text tiddler.

The only type of file I have been able to successfully import from is a div.tiddler style file, which enables me to upload metadata fields (creator, title, tags, created, etc.) with the tiddler text.

I have been following the standard import process, i.e., click on the paperclip icon and select a file (and repeat to import multiple files at once), and press the Import button. I can go into the process in more detail but I don't see what I could be doing wrong. Is there some trick or setting I need to use?

[David Nebauer]

For the benefit of any (future) newbies trying to figure out TW/node-js importing, I'll document my findings here. First, yes, the standard ".tid" export format is not a valid import format. If you import this tiddler:

creator: Henry Casimir

modified: 20190320122829521

modifier: John Friso

tags: Test Demo Import Tid

title: Demo Testing Tid-Style Import

type: text/vnd.tiddlywiki

Content of demo "tid-style" tiddler.

you end up with:

Clearly the metadata fields do not import as fields.

Regards,

David.

[David Nebauer]

You are also unable to import into TW5/node-js using meta files. You can split the previous tiddler into this tid file:

Content of demo "tid-style" tiddler with fields in an accompanying "meta" file.

and this meta file:

creator: Henry Casimir

modified: 20190320122829521

modifier: John Friso

tags: Test Demo Import Tid

title: Demo Testing Tid-Style Import

type: text/vnd.tiddlywiki

If you import just the tid file you end up with:

and the meta file, which was in the same import directory, has no effect.

If you import both tid and meta files at the same time, you get the same effect from the tid file and the meta file is imported to its own tiddler:

Once again, a failure to import metadata.

Regards,

David.

[David Nebauer]

What does work is the "div.tiddler" format. This input file:

<div tags="Test Demo Import Tiddler" modifier="John Friso" creator="Henry Casimir" modified="20190320122829521" type="text/vnd.tiddlywiki" title="Demo Testing Tiddler-Style Import">

<pre>Content of demo "tiddler-style" tiddler file.</pre>

</div>

results in this tiddler:

Success.

Regards,

David.

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi David

Can you show the “import” command string you’re using? From Node.js for loading .tid files it’s usually easier to use the “load” command when you’re working with files that TW understands the extension.

Best wishes

Jeremy

On 25 Mar 2019, at 13:56, David Nebauer <davidn...@gmail.com> wrote:

What does work is the "div.tiddler" format. This input file:

<div tags="Test Demo Import Tiddler" modifier="John Friso" creator="Henry Casimir" modified="20190320122829521" type="text/vnd.tiddlywiki" title="Demo Testing Tiddler-Style Import">

<pre>Content of demo "tiddler-style" tiddler file.</pre>

</div>

results in this tiddler:

<imported-tiddler-style.png>

Success.

Regards,

David.

On Monday, 25 March 2019 23:24:34 UTC+9:30, David Nebauer wrote:

You are also unable to import into TW5/node-js using meta files.

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[David Nebauer]

Hi Jeremy,

As I mentioned in my initial post, I'm using the Import ("paperclip") button. Pressing that opens a file selector dialog in which you select a file which is then displayed in a $:/Import tiddler, optionally repeat to nominate multiple files for import, then press the Import button in the $:/Import tiddler. Dragging and dropping the tid file onto the wiki has the same effect.

I have not tried the "load" command.

Regards,

David.

[David Nebauer]

I see Mark S. has deleted his post but for people on email who saw it, I'm on Debian Linux running TW5 v5.1.19 on node-js, and have had the same results with both google-chrome and qutebrowser browsers. I had just deleted my import files when I saw your message, but have reconstructed the tid file and confirmed it acts the same way on my system as I described earlier.

Regards,

David.

[Mark S.]

Perhaps it relates to your browser. Using firefox on Xubuntu 18.0.4?? with TW 5.1.20-prerelease (node) it imports perfectly. I'm not too surprised if qutebrowser can't do it, since it's billed as a minimalistic browser. 

-- Mark

[David Nebauer]

Turns out, to my *great* surprise, that the suggestion by Mark S. is right. I installed firefox and it imported my test tid file correctly! Given chrome has over 60% of browser share, I tend to assume that if a mechanism does not work in chrome, as was the case with TW5 import on my system, that the breakage is due to the underlying mechanism rather than some interaction with my system.

I realise this is a volunteer hobby project, and I get the sense that many of its developers use firefox, but it might be useful to ensure major features of TW work in chrome. Of course, in this case I'm not sure whether TW import is broken on all versions of chrome on all platforms, or just a subset of them (or maybe just mine!).

Thanks, Mark S., for your help in troubleshooting.

Regards,

David.

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[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi David

Turns out, to my *great* surprise, that the suggestion by Mark S. is right. I installed firefox and it imported my test tid file correctly! Given chrome has over 60% of browser share, I tend to assume that if a mechanism does not work in chrome, as was the case with TW5 import on my system, that the breakage is due to the underlying mechanism rather than some interaction with my system.

I realise this is a volunteer hobby project, and I get the sense that many of its developers use firefox, but it might be useful to ensure major features of TW work in chrome. Of course, in this case I'm not sure whether TW import is broken on all versions of chrome on all platforms, or just a subset of them (or maybe just mine!).

Thanks, Mark S., for your help in troubleshooting.

Dragging and dropping your .tid file into TW works for me on macOS on Chrome, Safari, Firefox and Opera. I really don't think that this can be a general Chrome issue, there must be something else going on.

Best wishes

Jeremy

Regards,

David.

On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 at 02:03, 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki <tiddl...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Perhaps it relates to your browser. Using firefox on Xubuntu 18.0.4?? with TW 5.1.20-prerelease (node) it imports perfectly. I'm not too surprised if qutebrowser can't do it, since it's billed as a minimalistic browser. 

-- Mark

On Monday, March 25, 2019 at 7:34:47 AM UTC-7, David Nebauer wrote:

I see Mark S. has deleted his post but for people on email who saw it, I'm on Debian Linux running TW5 v5.1.19 on node-js, and have had the same results with both google-chrome and qutebrowser browsers. I had just deleted my import files when I saw your message, but have reconstructed the tid file and confirmed it acts the same way on my system as I described earlier.

Regards,

David.

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