[TW5] Ideas for use
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Matabele
Jul 27, 2014, 5:49:36 AM7/27/14
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Hi
I came upon a great article for usage of TWC, which prompted a few thoughts: http://www.cyborganize.org/clarity/software/how-to-use-tiddlywiki-as-your-t1-wiki/
This article and the other material on 'cyborganize' offer a great summary of many of the common uses to which TW is put:
I came upon a great article for usage of TWC, which prompted a few thoughts: http://www.cyborganize.org/clarity/software/how-to-use-tiddlywiki-as-your-t1-wiki/
This article and the other material on 'cyborganize' offer a great summary of many of the common uses to which TW is put:
- journaling
- blogging
- wiki
- mind mapping
- outliner
- references
- bookmarks
- quotes
- notes
- snippets
I have added a couple of additional uses which aren't quite covered:
- Anki (flashcards): http://ankisrs.net/docs/manual.html
- yWriter (writing): http://www.spacejock.com/yWriter5.html
These uses may be broadly categorised into three sections:
- Task Management Systems
- Knowledge Management Systems
- Creative writing, learning and brainstorming
Jeremy has expressed an interest in having various flavours of TW5 available for download 'out of the box'. My question: How many different flavours are desirable?
This post is aimed at creating a short list of candidates -- your thoughts?
David Gifford
Jul 27, 2014, 10:16:15 AM7/27/14
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Hi Matabele
First of all, I want to say thank you for introducing me to the amazing slider table of contents on that Anki site. Wow, that would be cool on a TW...every time a link is clicked it not only takes you to the location but also takes you to the place in the TOC, too. And as you scroll up and down the story river, the TOC adjusts automatically...wow...
I would maybe split your three categories into four...
Knowledge management I would split into two categories, one is knowledge management for self, and the other is sharing / publishing for others.
I say this, because usually sharing for others (emailing to a friend, blogging and other web publishing, sharing with students, etc) means customizing it so that it is cleaner and less confusing. It also means adding instructions. And it might mean tweaks so that TW is more like slide presentations. Also, web publishing increasingly means making it more adaptable to multiple types of devices.
This is different from knowledge management for self, where you know what kind of screen or device you use, find what works uniquely for you, and customize accordingly.
Now comments about the uses themselves:
1. It would indeed be cool to use TW5 for mindmapping. Jeremy said it would be possible to create plugins for d3 type visualizations. I think this http://mbostock.github.com/d3/talk/20111018/tree.html would be a great candidate. Create tiddlers the normal way, through tagging and linking, and be able to see how they connect.
2. Bookmarks: I am pasting things into a TW I recently created for bookmarks: http://giffmex.org/experiments/tidmarks.html#Bookmarking%20with%20TidMarks and enjoying it immensely. Feel free to use anything you find helpful from that. Was just an experiment that I made available for others, and for me, the experiment worked. Would work even better with a TiddlySnip alternative for TW5.
3. Notes (knowledge management for self): with trepidation I upload for a while a link to this file http://www.giffmex.org/experiments/mind.and.intellect.html#All%20notelists as an example of what I am doing with my notes. The interface is kind of sloppy right now. I say trepidation because these are my personal notes so I am not careful with citations and copyright. It is not meant to be published online. I only offer it as an example. Anyway, I distinguish between indexes, notelists and notes. Indexes are lists of tiddler titles, for higher level table of contents. Notes are the content. And notelists are like lists of notecards, to visually separate ideas and display them all. Why do I do notelists?
a. This way is lightning fast: there are time and datestamps for tiddler titles, so it is not necessary to title, just write/paste, and tag.
b. It is visually appealing for many uses such as quotes, infographic type lists, photo galleries, etc.
c. Sometimes an index of a list of tiddler titles doesn't remind you of their content, and you wish you could see their content without having to open each tiddler. So notelists are quick in that you can quicky scroll their contents.
Anyway, this is my system, to pillage as needed. It is a TW5 equivalent of my old braintags for TWC. It won't appeal to everyone. I just mention it as an example of how someone who has played with a thousand ways to do notes, and have found this to be the best. It is not adequate as a one-TW-for-all-my-notes-on-everything, because eventually it would start slowing down, but one TW per topic it works fine.
4. I would add photo galleries as a usecase for TW. You can do masonry type galleries of online images or images in a folder. I once showed Jeremy an example I have of almost 1600 images linked to from a TW, in over 200 masonry galleries. It is showing signs of slowing down while editing, though, because of the complexity of the list filter. You also need to warn people of the legal issues that come from copying and pasting online images and videos and then hosting their TWs online.
5. I use TWC as a database for our seminary's library. http://www.giffmex.org/bibliotecaSTRM.html Would be great to have an out of the box version for TW5 for personal libraries with fields, etc.
6. Just a thought regarding journaling: Tiddler journal titles should have a time and datestamp that is appealing, for example, in the US it would be like this, "Wednesday, July 5, 2014". But the lists of journal entries should be sorted by date created (not date edited), so they appear in the correct chronological order.
7. TW is ideal for organizing recipes. Would be great to have an out of the box version for recipes.
I am sure I could go on and on, but these bits are enough to get the conversation rolling. Blessings.
First of all, I want to say thank you for introducing me to the amazing slider table of contents on that Anki site. Wow, that would be cool on a TW...every time a link is clicked it not only takes you to the location but also takes you to the place in the TOC, too. And as you scroll up and down the story river, the TOC adjusts automatically...wow...
I would maybe split your three categories into four...
Knowledge management I would split into two categories, one is knowledge management for self, and the other is sharing / publishing for others.
I say this, because usually sharing for others (emailing to a friend, blogging and other web publishing, sharing with students, etc) means customizing it so that it is cleaner and less confusing. It also means adding instructions. And it might mean tweaks so that TW is more like slide presentations. Also, web publishing increasingly means making it more adaptable to multiple types of devices.
This is different from knowledge management for self, where you know what kind of screen or device you use, find what works uniquely for you, and customize accordingly.
Now comments about the uses themselves:
1. It would indeed be cool to use TW5 for mindmapping. Jeremy said it would be possible to create plugins for d3 type visualizations. I think this http://mbostock.github.com/d3/talk/20111018/tree.html would be a great candidate. Create tiddlers the normal way, through tagging and linking, and be able to see how they connect.
2. Bookmarks: I am pasting things into a TW I recently created for bookmarks: http://giffmex.org/experiments/tidmarks.html#Bookmarking%20with%20TidMarks and enjoying it immensely. Feel free to use anything you find helpful from that. Was just an experiment that I made available for others, and for me, the experiment worked. Would work even better with a TiddlySnip alternative for TW5.
3. Notes (knowledge management for self): with trepidation I upload for a while a link to this file http://www.giffmex.org/experiments/mind.and.intellect.html#All%20notelists as an example of what I am doing with my notes. The interface is kind of sloppy right now. I say trepidation because these are my personal notes so I am not careful with citations and copyright. It is not meant to be published online. I only offer it as an example. Anyway, I distinguish between indexes, notelists and notes. Indexes are lists of tiddler titles, for higher level table of contents. Notes are the content. And notelists are like lists of notecards, to visually separate ideas and display them all. Why do I do notelists?
a. This way is lightning fast: there are time and datestamps for tiddler titles, so it is not necessary to title, just write/paste, and tag.
b. It is visually appealing for many uses such as quotes, infographic type lists, photo galleries, etc.
c. Sometimes an index of a list of tiddler titles doesn't remind you of their content, and you wish you could see their content without having to open each tiddler. So notelists are quick in that you can quicky scroll their contents.
Anyway, this is my system, to pillage as needed. It is a TW5 equivalent of my old braintags for TWC. It won't appeal to everyone. I just mention it as an example of how someone who has played with a thousand ways to do notes, and have found this to be the best. It is not adequate as a one-TW-for-all-my-notes-on-everything, because eventually it would start slowing down, but one TW per topic it works fine.
4. I would add photo galleries as a usecase for TW. You can do masonry type galleries of online images or images in a folder. I once showed Jeremy an example I have of almost 1600 images linked to from a TW, in over 200 masonry galleries. It is showing signs of slowing down while editing, though, because of the complexity of the list filter. You also need to warn people of the legal issues that come from copying and pasting online images and videos and then hosting their TWs online.
5. I use TWC as a database for our seminary's library. http://www.giffmex.org/bibliotecaSTRM.html Would be great to have an out of the box version for TW5 for personal libraries with fields, etc.
6. Just a thought regarding journaling: Tiddler journal titles should have a time and datestamp that is appealing, for example, in the US it would be like this, "Wednesday, July 5, 2014". But the lists of journal entries should be sorted by date created (not date edited), so they appear in the correct chronological order.
7. TW is ideal for organizing recipes. Would be great to have an out of the box version for recipes.
I am sure I could go on and on, but these bits are enough to get the conversation rolling. Blessings.
Matabele
Jul 27, 2014, 12:35:33 PM7/27/14
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Hi
On Sunday, July 27, 2014 4:16:15 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
First of all, I want to say thank you for introducing me to the amazing slider table of contents on that Anki site. Wow, that would be cool on a TW...every time a link is clicked it not only takes you to the location but also takes you to the place in the TOC, too. And as you scroll up and down the story river, the TOC adjusts automatically...wow...
Uses bootstrap, several jquery libraries and 'id' 's on header elements -- don't think that'll be coming to TW any time soon :-)
I would maybe split your three categories into four...Knowledge management I would split into two categories, one is knowledge management for self, and the other is sharing / publishing for others.
The material at 'cyborganize' outlines the process by which information:
- enters the system via a number of scratchpads
- gets stripped of actionable items (these are transferred to the task management system)
- gets transferred to a journal (chronological blog)
- gets separated into a few separate story threads (parallel chronological blogs)
- gets tagged and split into snippets to form a wiki
- is then re-assembled in the wiki into a coherent publishable articles
TW seems to fullfill the rolls of scratchpad and wiki -- however, it needs tools for processing the information into a journal and chronological blogs (to mimic wordpress) and for re-assembling the fragments into publishable articles (here yWriter and I think Scrivener do the job.)
'TiddlyWiki for Academics' does a fair job of tagging bibliographic entries, notes and references in order to attach them to an article. The problem I see here is that the information has to be entered into the hierarchal structure via forms.
I would prefer a completely random brain dump of information into 'scratchpad' tiddlers that could then be dropped into various 'blog' stories, then pulled out again and tagged into wikis.
Thereafter, the process gets a little hazy -- what is needed is a 'TOC' into which the fragments (individual tiddlers) could be placed by tagging appropriately. This process of producing a finished article works best with a versioning system to record the incremental changes as fragments are massaged and re-arranged. I'm not sure that TW is up to this?
I would add photo galleries as a usecase for TW. You can do masonry type galleries of online images or images in a folder. I once showed Jeremy an example I have of almost 1600 images linked to from a TW, in over 200 masonry galleries.
That could form part of the system, rather than a specialised TW, especially during the collection stage. A presentation mode for graphics (slideshow) type version might be useful.
I use TWC as a database for our seminary's library. http://www.giffmex.org/bibliotecaSTRM.html Would be great to have an out of the box version for TW5 for personal libraries with fields, etc.
Fields could be used for database type applications -- here I dream of a Restful backend such as CouchDb -- not for hosting the whole wiki as in the node.js version, but where certain tiddlers could be posted and 'attached' to the standalone wiki.
TW is ideal for organizing recipes. Would be great to have an out of the box version for recipes.
There is a good case for a separate standalone version for recipes -- it would be popular and recipes are clearly identifiable as recipes from the outset.
regards
AlexHough
Aug 5, 2014, 11:04:04 AM8/5/14
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>I would prefer a completely random brain dump of
information into 'scratchpad' tiddlers that could then be dropped into
various 'blog' stories, then pulled out again and tagged into wikis
I am possibly thinking on similar lines.... an brain dump theme for rapid tiddler creation, then other themes for reviewing and publishing
alex
alex
Pit.W.
Oct 6, 2014, 5:21:21 PM10/6/14
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Hello Dave,
a noob here.
Thanks for all the heavy stuff you contributed to the community, the Tw
solutions, patient advice and also substantial insight on other things.
You have some time ago published TW5 braintags under 5.0.10-beta. This
is similar to a swiss pocket knife for knowledge management, even more
versatile than notestorm. The kind of thing I carry on my Android phone,
my USBs, my tablet, my laptops, on my PCs... The workflow and the use of
newhere buttons is especialy useful for situations where info has to be
structured into knowledge in an environment of uncertainties. And the
GUI is very userfriendly.
Do you intend to update it to 5.1.+ ? And maybe make it compatible to
tiddly clip? The better the cook cooks the the hungrier the mob becomes.
Pit
Am 27.07.2014 16:16, schrieb David Gifford:
> ....
> Anyway, this is my system, to pillage as needed. It is a TW5
> equivalent of my old braintags for TWC. It won't appeal to everyone. I
> just mention it as an example of how someone who has played with a
> thousand ways to do notes, and have found this to be the best. It is
> not adequate as a one-TW-for-all-my-notes-on-everything, because
> eventually it would start slowing down, but one TW per topic it works
> fine.
>
...
a noob here.
Thanks for all the heavy stuff you contributed to the community, the Tw
solutions, patient advice and also substantial insight on other things.
You have some time ago published TW5 braintags under 5.0.10-beta. This
is similar to a swiss pocket knife for knowledge management, even more
versatile than notestorm. The kind of thing I carry on my Android phone,
my USBs, my tablet, my laptops, on my PCs... The workflow and the use of
newhere buttons is especialy useful for situations where info has to be
structured into knowledge in an environment of uncertainties. And the
GUI is very userfriendly.
Do you intend to update it to 5.1.+ ? And maybe make it compatible to
tiddly clip? The better the cook cooks the the hungrier the mob becomes.
Pit
Am 27.07.2014 16:16, schrieb David Gifford:
> ....
> Anyway, this is my system, to pillage as needed. It is a TW5
> equivalent of my old braintags for TWC. It won't appeal to everyone. I
> just mention it as an example of how someone who has played with a
> thousand ways to do notes, and have found this to be the best. It is
> not adequate as a one-TW-for-all-my-notes-on-everything, because
> eventually it would start slowing down, but one TW per topic it works
> fine.
>
David Gifford
Oct 6, 2014, 5:41:11 PM10/6/14
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Hi Pit.W,
Could you include a link? I have experimented with so many things, I can't keep track of them all.
I recommend my latest outing http://notestorm.giffmex.org/ over anything previous that I did.
But give me the link and I will have a look.
Dave
Could you include a link? I have experimented with so many things, I can't keep track of them all.
I recommend my latest outing http://notestorm.giffmex.org/ over anything previous that I did.
But give me the link and I will have a look.
Dave
Pit.W.
Oct 6, 2014, 5:44:59 PM10/6/14
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Oh, that. I had a feeling it was that one.
I seem to remember there being a big ddrawback with that one. But I will look at it for you.
Dave
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David Gifford
Oct 6, 2014, 6:44:50 PM10/6/14
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Hi Pit.W,
A while back I made myself a promise that after the new notestorm I would not tinker with TW5 for the rest of 2014, because of my many other commitments. While it is tempting to play with Braintags to update it, I really need to keep that promise to myself. Hopefully in 2015 I will be able to breathe a little easier and help you out. Sorry!
Blessings,
A while back I made myself a promise that after the new notestorm I would not tinker with TW5 for the rest of 2014, because of my many other commitments. While it is tempting to play with Braintags to update it, I really need to keep that promise to myself. Hopefully in 2015 I will be able to breathe a little easier and help you out. Sorry!
Blessings,
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