Creating tiddlers outside of TW5

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Paul Hemans

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Nov 28, 2017, 2:40:55 AM11/28/17
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Very much a noob, but this is a smashing project.

I am running tiddlywiki with the server option. I would like to create tiddlers through an external process and then display them in the browser. That has been successful.

Now I need the page to refresh in the browser to pick up the new tiddlers. Is there a way to do this where TW could monitor the directory for changes? Otherwise I could force it to restart on every change but that seems a little draconian and could cause problems for anyone interacting with the UI.

Thanks.

Jeremy Ruston

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Nov 28, 2017, 5:12:24 AM11/28/17
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Hi Paul

Very much a noob, but this is a smashing project.

Thanks!

I am running tiddlywiki with the server option. I would like to create tiddlers through an external process and then display them in the browser. That has been successful.

Now I need the page to refresh in the browser to pick up the new tiddlers. Is there a way to do this where TW could monitor the directory for changes? Otherwise I could force it to restart on every change but that seems a little draconian and could cause problems for anyone interacting with the UI.

It sounds like you are creating your tiddlers by writing directly to the file system. As you've discovered, TiddlyWiki won't pick up the changes.

A better approach is to use the HTTP API to write your tiddlers (eg with curl or wget). Then they will be automatically saved to the filing system and propagated to all connected browsers.

By default, the browsers only fetch updates from the server every 60 seconds. Users can fetch updates immediately in the "Server” tab of control panel.

Best wishes

Jeremy



Thanks.

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Paul Hemans

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Nov 28, 2017, 5:52:51 AM11/28/17
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Thanks I'll check it out.

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Hi Paul

Very much a noob, but this is a smashing project.

Thanks!

I am running tiddlywiki with the server option. I would like to create tiddlers through an external process and then display them in the browser. That has been successful.

Now I need the page to refresh in the browser to pick up the new tiddlers. Is there a way to do this where TW could monitor the directory for changes? Otherwise I could force it to restart on every change but that seems a little draconian and could cause problems for anyone interacting with the UI.

It sounds like you are creating your tiddlers by writing directly to the file system. As you've discovered, TiddlyWiki won't pick up the changes.

A better approach is to use the HTTP API to write your tiddlers (eg with curl or wget). Then they will be automatically saved to the filing system and propagated to all connected browsers.

By default, the browsers only fetch updates from the server every 60 seconds. Users can fetch updates immediately in the "Server” tab of control panel.

Best wishes

Jeremy



Thanks.

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Paul Hemans

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Nov 28, 2017, 6:26:12 AM11/28/17
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Hi Jeremy, where can I find the docs on the HTTP API?

Jeremy Ruston

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Nov 28, 2017, 6:34:51 AM11/28/17
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Hi Paul

Hi Jeremy, where can I find the docs on the HTTP API?

Embarrassingly, there’s no decent documentation. The API is a subset of the TiddlyWeb API, which is documented here:


Sadly, the best way to see the routes that are actually implemented is to look at the source:


Or, you can use browser developer tools to observe network traffic as you interactively create and delete tiddlers.

Best wishes

Jeremy.


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Paul Hemans

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Nov 28, 2017, 9:56:31 AM11/28/17
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That's ok about the docs, I understand. I think the suggestion about using devtools is a really good one that should be enough to get me going.

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Jeremy Ruston <jeremy...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Hi Jeremy, where can I find the docs on the HTTP API?

Embarrassingly, there’s no decent documentation. The API is a subset of the TiddlyWeb API, which is documented here:


Sadly, the best way to see the routes that are actually implemented is to look at the source:


Or, you can use browser developer tools to observe network traffic as you interactively create and delete tiddlers.

Best wishes

Jeremy.


On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 9:52 PM, Paul Hemans <paul_hemans@laberg.com.au> wrote:
Thanks I'll check it out.

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TonyM

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Nov 28, 2017, 4:25:23 PM11/28/17
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Paul,

Checkout the discussion https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/multiuser%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/BJ5I2CqX_Ho/SIQ0zs7bBgAJ which is a development process to build features in this area, Warning it is a bit of a rabbit hole.

Needs NodeJS server.

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Tony
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Paul Hemans

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Nov 29, 2017, 1:14:44 AM11/29/17
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Thanks Tony it does look a little deep from my perspective. What I need to do is hopely fairly simple. Maybe a little later ...

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Jed Carty

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Nov 29, 2017, 9:08:41 AM11/29/17
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The Gatekeeper part of the multi-user wiki work I made pushes changes to the file system to the browser immediately. It is a bit rough right now but it works. https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Gatekeeper
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