(TWC) Change to View Template and Edit Template have no effect

[Joe Shirk]

Reading this forum encouranged me to solve some of my own problems using fields. I've tried many suggestions posted here but no matter what i add or delete from the view or edit template has no effect. obviously something is overriding them -or maybe the changes don't take effect unless i restart the app but I don't believe that. what'ts going on?

[Leo Staley]

One thing I also try is to see if a single specific change I'm making will also work in a barebones empty.html tiddlywiki. 

For EditTemplate, you don't have to refresh the page, but usually for ViewTemplate, you do have to refresh the page after saving the change. 

Are you using a customized PageTemplate or StyleSheet? 

Could you offer some examples? 

Cheers!

-Leo

[Joe Shirk]

i started my tiddlywiki over a year ago, and stopped using it until recently. but there is a lot of info there. i can only say i imported a style but i don't remember how, or whose, or where it is. i think this raises a lot of unknows when one tries new modifications that don't play well with an unknown background of plugins. is there a way to list these or see them from a url?

basically i wanted to add a start date and end date field to a resume that includes a lot of job tiddlers. i added various versions of examples i found here and on the regular tw sites. in the edit screen, no field appeared. i thought it was caused by EditFieldPlugin, so i stopped using it. then i just tried something basic - to change the order of the text field and the tag field. nothing changed. then i deleted last modified date. nothing. then i deleted modified by and comments number... then it hit me, my wiki is not even looking at edit template or view template. i don't know where to look.

my wiki is at http://joeshirk.tiddlyspace.com/

[Leo Staley]

You are using the Simplicity theme. This has templates which over-ride whatever is listed in the shadows. unfortunately it's not listed in the All tiddlers area, because all of the associated tiddlers are tagged excludeLists and excludeSearch. Fortunately, if you check under your tags, you can go see any of the tiddlers tagged excludeLists or excludeSearch.

That's where you'll find the tiddlers which are over-riding the regular shadow tiddlers. This should point you in the right direction. 

Cheers!

-Leo

[Joe Shirk]

thank you Leo! it seems that this theme introduces too many unknowns for a beginner wanting to customize a few standard concepts. i don't see a way to disable it, so i think i will save myself some headaches and delete it.

[Leo Staley]

I know what you mean. I classify myself as a beginner too, but Tiddlywiki is just too interesting for me to stay that way for much longer. Have a look at my Tiddlyspace. The specific page I linked there actually has a chart with my beginner explanation I made for myself about a couple of plugins and features. I'm gonna be making more beginner explanations as I keep working through it. 

[Joe Shirk]

I deleted SimplicityAddon and nothing changed. how to I reset the theme or get rid of whatever it changed when i installed it?

[Joe Shirk]

actually, it reappears after i delete it! 

[Leo Staley]

I think you probably originally applied the template by including the simplicity theme tiddlyspace.  To uninclude a space on tiddlyspace, click on the tiddlyspace icon in the upper right hand corner of the screen, click on "This Space", and then open the Included Spaces area. From there, you can easily uninclude or include whatever other spaces you'd like. 

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Joe Shirk <j.b....@gmail.com> wrote:

actually, it reappears after i delete it! 

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[PMario]

On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:56:18 PM UTC+1, Leo Staley wrote:

I think you probably originally applied the template by including the simplicity theme tiddlyspace.  To uninclude a space on tiddlyspace, click on the tiddlyspace icon in the upper right hand corner of the screen, click on "This Space", and then open the Included Spaces area. From there, you can easily uninclude or include whatever other spaces you'd like. 

That's right.

You shouldn't have included the simplicity space at all. It is not designed to be included. The 4th intro page, the first paragraph has a link that tells you how to include the theme into an existing space. .... (I know nobody reads the dosc)

Anyway: As you included the simplicity space you also got

• system-goto
• simplicity-template
• space-install
• simplicity

So I think you could also remove the above spaces.

.... but doing so will not help you with your problem, that changing the Edit- or ViewTemplate won't change your layout. ... because you use the "headless" theme. Themes "overrule" the default templates.

You will have to change stuff in the http://joeshirk.tiddlyspace.com/#HeadlessTheme tiddler. ... ___ but ____ be aware, it may make your UI unusable if you mess it up. So first download your TW and test your changes. Then apply them to your "production" theme.

have fun!
mario
PS: I'm the author of the simpliciy space.

[1] http://simplicity.tiddlyspace.com/#%5B%5BPage%20(999)%5D%5D

[Leo Staley]

On a much related note, Mario is also the creator of the Freestyle template generator on Tiddlyspace. You can use it to create your own customized layout. He has made it as easy to understand as possible, but it still takes a couple of hours of tinkering to grasp how it works and how to make it do what you want. It's the one I used on my page. I actually think I did a few things wrong, but it's not broken, So I'm just going to let it be for now, :) 

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[PMario]

I forgot to link to the info tiddler.  - http://simplicity.tiddlyspace.com/#HowIncludeThisSpace

I also did 3 short videos how to deal with TS and themes. If you have some time ~16min for 3 of them :) - http://simplicity.tiddlyspace.com/#video

have fun!
mario

[Joe Shirk]

You were right - i found it there and un-included it. yet, after reloading the page, nothing changed. this isn't worth the brain damage; i am just going to create a fresh site and import the tiddlers i have added since that theme became entrenched.

[Joe Shirk]

Thanks Mario, I have started watching but my network connection says i have to wait... grrr

[Joe Shirk]

since i have copied all my tiddlers to a new space all these problems are eliminated. i did doublecheck for the includes you mentioned and it seems all clear. but now i am finding that all my tiddlers are read-only - i am logged in, but it only lets me view, not edit. stumped again...

[Joe Shirk]

reloading the app solved this.