TWc hierarchy display idea

[DrCory]

TiddlyWiki (Classic) Group:

I'm working on the kernal a an Idea and looking for a little direction...

A few years back, I was working with a mind mapping program called PersonalBrain. I liked the way it was laid out and it has struck me that TiddlyWiki (Classic) could be used to reproduce some of its organizational qualities.

It was organized around the "parent/child" hierarchy of thoughts/files. And it seems that TiddlyWiki (Classic) tiddlers could be structured is a similar hierarchy for similar utility.

I'll say right here that, much (if not all) of the ability already exists in TiddlyWiki (Classic). It's just a matter of organizing the tagging and display structure of the tiddler into that desired structure.

The advantage (as I see it) is the added visibility of the tag structure in order to readily visualize file/tiddler relationships.

The visual organization...

|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|                                                      SiteTitle                                              |
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|MainMenu         |ParentTiddlers (list of CurrentTiddler tags)    | SiblingTiddlers |
|                        |----------------------------------------------------------------|                      |
|SideBarOptions |  CurrentTiddler (title and content)               |(tiddlers sharing|
|                        |----------------------------------------------------------------|                      |
|SideBarTabs      |ChildTiddlers (tiddlers tagged CurrentTiddler)| ParentTiddlers)|
|------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------|-----------------------|

1) I imagine single tiddler display mode.

2) Perhaps a "referenced tiddlers" list between the sidebar and the CurrentTiddler

3) Perhaps a "BreadCrumbs" below the Site Title

4) Tags in columns rather than the popups

All this is in Tiddlywiki's ability, its just adjusting the ViewTemplate and macros to display as shown.

the 'NewHere' macro could be used to easliy create 'childtiddlers' and automatically maintain the structure.

any other suggestions on macro usage?


DrCory

[Leo Staley]

I have good news! This has been done!

http://twt-treeview-executive.tiddlyspot.com/ by Morris Gray.

I myself modded this a bit: I swapped in TagSEarch for the default tagger, added x-plore (both by Tobias Beer), added Intellitags, HistoryPlugin, FootnotesPlugin NestedSlidersPlugin, PreviewPlugin (with a Side-by-side view, added in the EditTemplate), SimpleTreePlugin (also by Tobias Beer), and a few other small plugins. 

Mine is here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B300Uw4EAaNoNzJ5ZGNNeC1KdTQ/edit?usp=sharing

Also, TagsTreePlugin at http://visualtw.ouvaton.org/VisualTW.html (with an updated version at https://github.com/huggyfee/VisualTW2/)

They both have features that the other does not, but they are used in nearly the same way: <<macroname roottiddlername [parameters etc]>>

TreeviewPlugin has more visualization options, is significantly prettier (with lines, showing the hierarchies), whereas TagsTreePlugin (esp the updated one) has more options regarding filtering/sorting the tiddlers/tags (I myself don't quite understand some of them, like how to use the sortField one.)  

Now, this isn't EXACTLY what you're looking for, but if I'm understanding you, it's a significant step in that direction. 

What do you think? If you mod some of those more toward what you're thinking, post your results here, I'd love to see it. 

[DrCory]

Thanks Leo,
Those are really cool. but... as you said, its not exactly what I was looking for. 8-)

If I can get selected parts of TagglyTagging and put them in the ViewTemplate the way I envision, I think I would have most of what I want. Then a few of the tagging utilities and I'd be set.

TagglyTagging really goes a long way to doing what I want. But... I was having trouble getting it to work in a recent version of TWclassic.
any thoughts? Is it still working or do I need an older TWc?

DrCory

[Leo Staley]

As far as I know, TagglyTagging still works perfectly. I've been learning a great deal about how to use it. I don't know how I would achieve the page template/view template combo you're looking for BUT, there are some other ideas.

You may want to check out tbgtd.tiddlyspot.com, and in the toolbar of tiddlers, You'll see "x-plore" click it and it will show you the structure of parent tiddlers in one column (which should include siblings), and the structure of child tiddlers in the next column (and more). 

One of my favorite plugins, and it's really straightforward to take from there and put into your own. It's related to http://tiddlytools.com/#RelatedTiddlersPlugin.

The tagging utilities you're probably looking for are TagSearch (+GotoPlugin and QuickOpenTagPlugin ), NewHereCommand, AutoTaggerPlugin, and IntellitagsPlugin.

Also, have a look at http://tiddlytools.com/#ShowSimilarTiddlers, which isn't technically a plugin because you don't need to tag it with systemConfig, but it might as well be, for the functionality it adds. 

I've discovered that, as an amateur, I need to keep my options open, because there are dozens of ways to get it to do what I REALLY want, so don't get attached to a specific idea for how that Idea might look. 

Has this helped any? 

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