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sep...@optusnet.com.au

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Na'e to e fili ai pe 'a Rev Dr Hedley Fihaki ko e Sea Fakafonua ia 'o e Kulupu fakalelei lotu ko eni he loto UCA, 'oku 'iloa ko e ACC.

Ko e Majority 'o e Kulupu ko eni ko e kau Palangi 'oku meimei ko e peseti 'e 99.9% ko e kau Palangi ia. Na' e fakahoko 'ae Konifelenisi
Fakafonua 'ae Kulupu ni ki Adelaide mei he 'aho Monite 14- ki he 'aho Pulelulu 16 Sept 2015.

Na'e fofoa'i ai ke fokotu'u ha 'apiako ke teu'i ai 'ae to'utupu pehe foki ki he kau Faifekau mo e kakai 'o e Siasi UCA , ke 'fakanaunau e kakai 'oe Siasi 'o
nofoma'u he tefito'i tui 'ae Kalisitiane, pea ko ia 'oku lolotonga 'i he UCA pe ko e Basis of Union, ka kuo nau tukuange kanau mavahe mei ai.

Na'e lahi e ng me'a na'e fiema'u ke liliu , ka 'oku kei taitaimi pe Kulupu ni, he kuo mahino 'aupito 'ae angimui 'ae UCA ia ki he Pule'anga 'i he issue mali fakasotoma.. pea ko e taha 'ae ng lea
'o e kau taki 'o e Kulupu ni mo'enau lipooti he'enau muimui ofi ki he UCA..kapau 'e 'eke mai 'e ha taha , ko e ha e me'a 'oku kei toe he UCA(Assembly)..ko e tali leva..ko 'enau
Agent ko eni 'oku 'iloa ko e UnitingCare, 'oku 'ikai ko e kei to e ha " Faith " (Tui) ia he loto Siasi(Assembly) ki he 'Eiki ko Sisu kalaisi mo e Folofola.

'Oku mahino mei he lipooti fakamatala 'a kinautolu ne kau atu ki he Kulupu Tokateline 'o e mali, ne a'u ki he peseti 'e 85% 'ae kakai ne taliui ange 'oku 'ikai kenau loto ki he Fakasotoma
ka 'i he taimi ne a'u ai ki he Assembly 'ae UCA, 'ikai ke faka'asi ai e ta'eloto 'ae kakai , kanau fokotu'u mai 'enautolu ke toe fai ha lau ki ai 'ae Siasi mei heni ki he 2018.

Kainga , ko e lea 'ae tokotaha ko eni he loto Konifelenisi 'ae ACC, na'a ne pehe , 'oku 'ikai ke kei Kalistiane , pe Tangata e to'onga ko eni , ka k oe to'onga  eni ia 'ae Tevolo na'e liliu 'aki e lipooti ne ma'u 'e he
Kulupu Tokateline nenau fakama'op'opo ke 'ave ki he Assembly ne toki 'osi.

Na'e meimei high light he 'Aho kotoa pe ongo tangata Tonga Faifekau 'oku 'iloa he Kulupu ko eni 'a 'ena ta'eufi he lotolotonga 'oe Assembly mo 'ena fokotu'u ke toe pipiki pe UCA ki he'enau pepa mali he 1997,
mo e 2002 .. ka ne 'ikai to e tokanga ki ai e Assembly 'ae UCA, hange kiate kinaua kuo 'osi malumu'i e Fakasotoma ke fei mo talii..

'Oku 'ikai ke nofo noa 'ae ACC he loto UCA, 'oku na u 'ofa he UCA pea 'oku mahino 'ae 'ikai fie mavae mo e Potungaue 'ae 'Eiki he loto UCA..nau loto pe ke pukepuke kakai ka 'i he tui totonu 'o fakatatau ki he'enau lau mo e Holy Catholic Churches.

'Oku te'eki ke ha mei he Kulupu ni ha fakakaukau ke mavahe mei he UCA, ka ko e me'a faka'osi taha ia..lolotonga ko ia 'oku 'ikai tuku e mavahe 'ae kakai mei he UCA, mavaevaeua pe kakai 'i loto hange ko eni 'oku mau 'iai
mo e ng Kulupu kehe pe he loto Siasi , ka 'oku 'ikai pe fanongo mai e kau taki.

Ko e Malie taha ko e ma'opo'opo hono fili e kakai ke taki he loto UCA kamata mei he Presbytery Synod a'u ki he Assembly..mou manatu'i ko e fu'u ngaue'anga ko eni ko e UCA 'oku gaue ai mo e kakai ia 'oku 'ikai tui ki he Folofola mo Sisu kalaisi..

Kuo u 'osi tali 'e au ko e Factory 'ae UCA, 'oku 'iai e kau Kalisitiane , 'iai e fakasotoma mo e kau faka'otuamate , 'iai moe kau ngaue pa'anga pe..

Na'e fehu'i mai 'e he tokotaha ka au pe ko e ha ha'aku fakakaukau ki he kaha'u , kuo u talaange..toe pe step 'e taha pea u toki lotu pe ki he Sutt ki Tonga..kau nofo pe homau 'api 'o lotu famili pe ai.

Takamuli











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Maafu Palu

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Takamuli,

Malo e ma'u ongoongo. Pea 'oku ou ongo'i si'i taukave 'a hotau ongo tokoua Tonga 'i he me'a na, ka 'oku mo'oni pe foki e lau 'a Dr Molitoni, "Ko Tonu 'oku lusa pe, kaukaua pe 'a Loi". Kae 'oua pe te mou fo'i he taukave, he kou tui, ko e faka'a'au atu ena 'a e UCA ia ke fai hono putu. 

Si'oto'ofaatu

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Fatai Slender

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Ko e me'a 'oku ou ongo'i ko e si'i kau faifekau Tonga koeni 'oku nau 'i he UCA. tautautefito kia kinautolu na'a nau 'i he Assembly 'enau ta'utu fakalongolongo
pe 'ikai ha taha 'ia kinautolu 'e tu'u hake 'o poupou mai ki si'i ongo ua ko ee. Kiate au kapau na'e tu'u fakataha 'a e kau faifekau Tonga 'i he UCA 'o lea mo
fakaha 'enau ta'eloto kou tui 'e 'iai e ngaue e loto 'o e kau pa 4 he UCA. 'Ofa atu

Fatai


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Tevita Finau

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Malie Takamuli, 'ai ke lava ho'omou takitaha loto pea ka 'iai ha faingamalie pea vakai na'a 'iai hamou taimi ke fai aa ha ngaue ki he Lautohi Faka-Sapate mo e To'utupu, pehee ki he ngaahi famili, masivesiva, mo'ui-lelei, taonakita, houtamaki mo e taa 'i 'api mo e nonofo feke'ike'i, pea faka'ai'ai 'a e mo'ui fe'ofa'aki ke lahilahi ange. 

Vakavakai na ko e "fakasotoma" 'oku ne takiekina 'a e me'a 'e faii kae tuku e Folofolaa ia mo e fakakaukau lelei. Ko e fifili pe!!!!

Tevita M. Finau
North Shore Methodist Tongan Congregation,
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Northcote Point,
North Shore 0627,
New Zealand.
Tel (649) 4800846; M (64) 211501970; F (649) 4800845

Synod Superintendent, Vahefonua Tonga, 409 Great South Rd., Penrose. Tel 649 5719157
 

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Malo Tevita,

Ko e tefito'i ngaue 'ae Kosipeli 'oku 'ikai tuku hange ko e me'a 'oku ke lave ki ai, pea 'oku nau kau kotoa pe 'o kau ai e fakasotoma.  Ko e me'a lelei lahi eni ko hono teuteu ke fokotu'u 'ae " School of Faith" ne u lave ki ai ke teuteu ai 'ae to'utupu 'aki e Kosipeli 'oku tui ki ai 'ae ACC.

'Oku feinga e ACC ke fakasino 'enau tui mo'enau taukave ke fokotu'u ha 'Apiako, he ko kinautolu 'oku 'i he ACC 'oku 'osi ma'u e kakai ai to e pe naunau ke fokotu'u 'aki e 'apiako teolosia ko eni kuo kamata fisiki hake he Konifelenisi " School of Faith".

Ka 'oku mo'oni 'ae fakatokanga kuo ke fai, ki he fanau.. Tevita , ko e fai'angalotu ACC 'oku ou kau ki ai.. ko e fanau mo e to'utupu 'oku tokolahi taha..houa lotu 'e 3 .

1. Tradition Service- Ko e si'i kau vaivai eni , pea 'oku ou kau he houa lotu ko ia he 9am.

2. Young Family- Ko e ng famili talavou mo'ena fanau 'o fakalelei ai e Lautohi Fakasapate 10.30am

3. Youth - Ko e to'utpupu pea 'oku kau mai ki ai to'utupu ia mei he ng Fai'angalotu kehe he 5.30pm.

'Oku fakangaue'i 'e he Fai'angalotu e toko 3- 1Faifekau Rev Ian Weeks, 2  Fefine ko Lesley 'oku ne tokanga'i e fakalakalaka e houa lotu 10.30am , 3.pea mo e Talavou ko Brad ko ia 'oku ne tokanga'i e to'utupu he 5.30pm. Ko e ngaue lahi eni , he ko e fakaakeake .

Malo fau e ngaue lahi mei homou fonua na, malo mo e fa'a fakatokanga mai ki he ngaue 'ae Kosipeli.

'ofa atu.

Takamuli







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Ma'afu, mo'oni 'aupito ho'o lau he ko e lau eni 'a Rev Gordon Moyes( rest in peace), he 2007...., kuo 'osi fai 'e he UCA ia 'ae to'onga 'ae ta'u 80, 'aia kuo  malo pe 'ene ke i luelue ka e hili ko ia na'e toki fokotu'u pe he 1977..vakaiange ki he ngaohi kovia 'e he angahala e Siasi ni.. 'Oku ma u kei faka'amanaki pe ki he 'Eiki he ngaue ko eni he ACC, fakataha mo e ng Matakali 'o kau ai pe kakai Tonga neongo 'oku 'ikai ko ha 'issue eni ia 'oku fu'u mahu'inga ki he tokolahi ke taukave ma'u pe ai.

'Oku 'iai e ng Kulupu kehe pe ia 'i he loto UCA 'oku nau fakafepaki'i ki he Fakasotoma ka 'oku te'eki kenau felotolotoi mo e ACC he 'oku 'osi tala mahino 'e he ACC kuo " hinga " e UCA, ng kulupu kehe 'oku 'ikai kenau loto ki he fakalea 'ae ACC, ka 'oku fai e feinga ke ngaue fakataha ki hano to e fakaakeake 'ae Siasi he'e 'osi e 'u property 'ae Siasi hono fakatau atu ke totongi 'aki e ng mo'ua 'oe Siasi he kuo fai ke tokosi'i ange.


'ofa atu.

Takamuli.

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Takamuli,

Malo e ma'u ongoongo. Pea 'oku ou ongo'i si'i taukave 'a hotau ongo tokoua Tonga 'i he me'a na, ka 'oku mo'oni pe foki e lau 'a Dr Molitoni, "Ko Tonu 'oku lusa pe, kaukaua pe 'a Loi". Kae 'oua pe te mou fo'i he taukave, he kou tui, ko e faka'a'au atu ena 'a e UCA ia ke fai hono putu. 

Si'oto'ofaatu


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Malo mu'a Takamuli si'i taukave moe  mateaki. Hange 'oku 'ikai ke tau 'ilo pe ko fe koaa 'a e me'a ke fakamafolofola'i lelei mo e me'a ke tuku pe toloi atu, he kuo hange kuo manuminumi pe mamani ia. Ka 'oku tau fakafeta'i pe, 'oku kei fai pe 'e he kau mateaki 'a e feinga ke fai pe ho tau fatongia totonu.

Ka kamata'i 'a e 'apiako ko 'ena pea fakahoko mai ke feinga'i atu ki ai ha'a tau fanau ke nau tokoni pe ki he fakamafolofola 'a e ngaahi manuminumi ni.
sikei



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Malo Sikei , ko'etau lotu ia ke vave mai hano fokotu'u he 'oku fakatatali ki he Konifelenisi ta'u kaha'u ka e fai ha fakatotolo ki he ng Silapa ke ngaue'aki pea ki hano fakapa'anga 'o e 'Api ako ni.

Malo e kei faka'amanaki lelei mai ki he ngaue 'ae Kosipeli , malo e mo e lotu.

'ofa atu.

Takamuli.



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Malo mu'a Takamuli si'i taukave moe  mateaki. Hange 'oku 'ikai ke tau 'ilo pe ko fe koaa 'a e me'a ke fakamafolofola'i lelei mo e me'a ke tuku pe toloi atu, he kuo hange kuo manuminumi pe mamani ia. Ka 'oku tau fakafeta'i pe, 'oku kei fai pe 'e he kau mateaki 'a e feinga ke fai pe ho tau fatongia totonu.

Ka kamata'i 'a e 'apiako ko 'ena pea fakahoko mai ke feinga'i atu ki ai ha'a tau fanau ke nau tokoni pe ki he fakamafolofola 'a e ngaahi manuminumi ni.
sikei


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Ko e memipa 'i he ACC 'i he ng founga kehekehe pe.

1. Lesisita ko e Kulupu- 'uhinga eni ki he ni'ihi  he ng fai'angalotu 'ikai ACC ka 'oku nau tui ki he kosipeli 'oku malanga'i 'e he ACC.

2. Ko e totongi lesisita Fakafo'ituitui pe- Ko kinautolu 'oku tui ki he Kosipeli 'oku malanga'i 'e he ACC ka 'oku nau tautau tokotaha 'i ha ng fai'angalotu 'ikai ACC.

3. Ko e Fai'angalotu ACC-  Ko e ng Fai'angalotu eni ai kuo 'osi tafoki kotoa e kakai ai 'o e Fai'angalotu 'o Memipa he ACC fokotu'u ki ai mo'enau logo ACC.

'Oku mei he kakai ko eni hono fakapa'anga 'ae Kulupu Fakalelei lotu ko eni,ACC, pea fakafeta'i he 'oku 'iai mo e kakai nenau tohituku mai hanau 'inasi kihe ACC.

'Oku 'ikai ko Hevani 'ae ACC , ka 'oku 'iai pe me'aq ke fakamahino ki he kaki 'o Siasi 'oku hala 'enau tataki pea 'oku he mama'o mei he mo'ui 'oe Pule'anga 'oe 'Otua.

Takamuli

Saulisi Mafileo

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'Oku 'ikai ke ngofua ia ke lesisita atu ha taha halapa'anga ia Takamuli?

sikei



sisilia tupou-thomas

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'Oku mahino pe Takamuli ho'o mamahi'i e kaveinga kuo ke toutou malanga'i he paenga ni.  Pea 'oku ou tui 'oku toko lahi e fa'ahinga hotau fale ni, tatau pe tangata mo fefine, 'oku tui tatau mo koe, kau ai mo au!

Ka 'oku ou ongo'i/fakakaukau tatau au mo e Faifekau mei Aotearoa, Tevita Finau. 'Oku ou tokanga ange au ia ki he Domestic Violence & Addictions out of any social issues! Te'eki ai ke gay haku famili (not that I know of), ka kuo u fihiatu'u 'o fulutamakia ke mate he keikeinganga (tulou atu) 'o e ongo issues ko eni!

I'm one of those who prioritize things in my life, not that some are least important, but due to resources & time I have, I only can deal with at least one thing at a time! Kapau te ke vakili ki he tupu'anga (causes) 'o e ngaahi hia/angahala sex-related (fe'auaki, incest/rapes, adultery, homosexuality, etc), ko e lahi taha na'e tupu mei he domestic violence/abuses & addictions!  I'm inclined more to address/cure the roots/causes, then rushing to hold end!

Kapau te tau vakai'i e statistics 'a e tokolahi e kakai kuo nau mo'ua he ongo issues ko eni 'e ua 'oku ou tokanga atu ki ai (domestic violence/abuses & addictions), mahalo 'oku laka hake he peseti 'e 85 he fonua ni (population) kuo nau fihia ai, ke fakafehoanaki mo e ki'i tokosi'i 'au'aupito kuo nau ohi pe mo'ui hoatatau (homosexual).

Good day everybody. 'Ofa atu

Sami Pakofe

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Koe Fakakaukau pe 'eni : meihe kakai kuo nau kei tekina holo ihe hala-Pule'anga i Mamani , koe 'uhi koe " FEKIHIAKI " pe ko fe koaa 'ae me'a tetau Fai.

Koe Kau Fakalelei Lotu, meimei  na'e 'ikaii ha Lotu 'e mavahe " KOE 'UHI " KOHA FAKA'UHINGA'I HA ANGAHALA ( mou vakai lelei pe kihe kau fakalelei lotu, ko'enau mavahevahe koe Fakalelei FakaPolitikale, moe Ta'e Fiemalie kihe Ngaahi Fa'u Tokateline..

Koe Toenga 'oe kakai oku nau Tui 'Otua ka 'Oku nau tekina hOlo pe koe 'uhi koe Palopalema Ko'eni :

  Oku fonu he Tohitapu 'ae Kakai Oku ikai totonu ia ke 'omai ai, he ko'enau "TO'ONGA" oku Fakalilifu Fau ........ KING TEVITA , KAKAI FEFINE NE NAU IHONO LALO TAPA'IKATE - laungeau, kau sinifu , laungeau, mohai Fua...

Teu kau atu Takamuli kihe Kulupu Fakalelei Lotu ko'eni: Kapau temou to'o 'a King Tevita moe kau Fakalilifu he Tohitapu ... Ka lava ia pea kuou tui 'e kau atu si'i kakai oku Fakatakamlio moe ninimo, he feinga pe ko fee koaa emo'oni, Tau Lotu moe fakasipinga 'aki 'ae Kau Helo ni , hili koia, koe Fulikivanu atu ,,,,,,,, tatau aipe pe nenau FakatOmala, ka kiate au " TO'O IA KAPAU KOE TOHI tapu koe TOHI MA'ONI'ONI "

kOE 'UHI KAE IFO E FAKALELEILOTU MOE FAKATONUTONU ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, he tetau Fakatonutonu ka 'e vakaili 'ehe Hako'i Tangata 'aki hono 'atamai, 'ae Tohi tapu pea Fakaiku kihe 'ikai tenau lava 'o liliu..

Koe Fakakaukau ia;;;;;; Tau fakalelei Lotu, 'uluaki Fakalele'ii 'e Tohitapu "..

koe fakatalanoa pe... he kapau teu tu'u au moe faha'i 'e taha 'ihe 'uhinga kuou lavekiai 'ae Ta'e Ma'oni'oni 'ae tohitapu, talaatu tenau malele mai kiai...

koe anga pe faka-kaukau fakaworld cup..

smp.

 

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Mo'oni lahi Sisilia, 'oku fakalilifu atu e domestic Violence etc.. he fonua ni pea 'oku ou tui 'oku tau ngaue kotoa ki ai tautautefito ki he Pule'anga 'oku ta'ofi pea mamafa 'aupito 'enau tautea ki he case ko iaa.. 'oku 'ikai pehe ke tukunoa'i ha me'a 'oku kovi, ka 'oku 'ikai ke u pehe ke tokanga ki he fakasotoma kae tukutukuange ha me'a, 'ikai 'aupito !.

'Oku 'ikai poupou e ACC pe faka'ai'ai 'e he ACC 'ae Abuse mo e Domestic Violence etc.. 'Oku malanga'i malohi 'e kitatolu e Kosipeli ke ma'u melino ai e ng famili pea ka 'iai ha famili ia 'oku kei feta'aki mo kei hoko ai hono abuse e fanau , pea vakai fakalelei ange pe 'oku tupu mei he ha ?

'Oku ou poupou au ki hono kinisi  e fanau , he na'aku kinisi  'eku fanau , ka 'oku lau ia 'i he fonua ni ko e abuse ee...mahalo ne fu'u hena atu ha taimi 'e ni'ihi ka 'oku nau fakamo'oni pe ne 'ikai hala hono kinisi kinautolu..mahalo ko e me'a ia ke fakamvahevahe'i 'ae mapule'i mo e ngaohi kovia e fanau.

Malo Sisilia, pea 'oku ou poupou ki he me'a 'oku ke tokanga ki ai.

Takamuli








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kolo

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Sami koe fifili koe ha e lau koe ne kenonaisi w tohimatolu kae hili ha ngaahi ta'u pea toki fakahu 'a 2 PITA.

Fakatalanoa malie kihe fakakakato lao 'a Sisu.'Ikai tene liliu ha fo'i kohi 'ihe tohi lao kae fake'a pe.(Ti.Lote,Kope etc.) Kiate au ka tau tatala 'ae kau Peteliake mei he tohimatolu. Te tau fetaulaki nai mo ha Sisu koe Misaia pe 'ikai.

Manatu'i ko Lote, Lute,,Opeti,Sese,Ti pea Kia Sisu.

Vakai ange kihe Domestic violence 'uluaki hoko pe he fale 'oe 'uluaki ongo matu'a.(fakapoongi 'o Epeli).Kei laumalie lelei e va 'o 'Atamai moe 'Otua.

Hili e Lomaki 'uluaki kamata pe 'ae domestic violence moe abuse 'e Noa hono 'ofefine.(puipui ange he mo kimoutolu).Kei lelei e va o Noa moe Eiki.

Kiate au 'e ala fakafekiki'i pe koe tohimatolu is a history book.

Koe anga pe lau.He 'oku angai tonu ange 'ae origin of species moe natural selection ia 'ihe feinga 'oku tau fai he 'oku fai fononga fakataha pe TEA IA MOE UITE.

Kolo.

Sami Pakofe

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Kolo, koia 'ae fakakaukau kuou faktalanoa atu ai " 'oku fai fononga fakataha pe TEA IA MOE UITE,  koe 'uhi kae lava ke tangutu mai a 'sii kau takatu'u, he kuo hange kuo FOKOTU'U kinautolu ki olunga kaE tuhu'I kotoa pe KONAUTOLU 'AE TEFITO'I MAUMAU LAO".. kae hili koia oku ikai kehekehe 'ae Faksotoma moe tamate kia Sihova, koe ha kuo Faka-kalasi ai e Angahala, ke hoko ia koe " me'a ke fesitu'a'aki ai 'ae KAKAI LOTU, kae ikai ketau Tokangaekina kotoa pe 'ae " ANGAHALA" oku ikai sai hono kotoa.

Kapau e hange koe fakatalanoa oku ke talanoa mai kiai, pea kuou tui he'ikai toe fai hano Fakfehu'i e TOHI -MATOLU..., ka tau nofo koe fangatea-pe fangauite, 'o tau 'inasi kotoa pe ihe 'ene 'Ofa, kane toki fakamavahe-vahe'ii kitautolu ihe 'ene ha'u..

" Kolo kuo toko- lahi e NOFO TU'AFALE -LOTU PE 'AE KAKAI, KOhono vahevahe'ii mo faka-kalasi e Angahala...Pea kuo kamata ke hohoi e Tangata ke Fai e Sivi kihe mo'ui, ka 'oku ikai ko'ene me'a...

Fakamolemole pe 'a Takamuli moe kau Fakalelei Lotu, Hange hange kiate au teu ala ui "oku "  hanga 'ehe ACC 'o ABUSING 'ae Tau'ataina 'ae Tangata moe Fefine kihe 'enau FILI TAU'ATAINA, 

fakamolemole, 'oku ikai teuteu poupou'ii 'ae faiangahala, ka 'ihe taimi tatau pe 'oku ikai ha'aku totonu keu sivisivi'i ha Tanagata pe Fefine KOE 'UHI KOHA'ANE FILI TAU'ATINA..'o Tala kuo kovi 'ae Fakasotoma.... Neongo 'eku ikai loto kiai, but it's non of my business ... kapau oku ikai sai ia kiate au ------- Mahalo koe sai ia kiate iaa.. koia e me'a teu faka'apa'apa'i, koe me'a koee "OKU NE FIEFIA KIAI..

Koe fkatalanoa pe...kamou toki fakamaama mai.

sami.



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Ko e ng Kulupu eni í he loto Siasi óku íkai kenau tui ki he meá óku lolotonga tataki tau ki ai é he Assembly e kakai fekauaki mo e Fakasotoma.

1. UAICC

2. Migrant /Ethnic Conferences

3.Hope Mission Network

4.3D Network

5.EL 250

6 PNEUMA

Í he éne lahi áe ng Kulupu óku nau tui kuo mavahe UCA mei heénau tefitoí tui, ko ia óku nau feinga naá lava kenau ngaue fakataha leva ke pukepuke pe kakai í he tui totonu mo ke I fakamahino pe ko e Tohtapu ko e Folofola áe Ótua.

Mahalo mo ha to e kulupu pe ka óku íkai ke u maú ki ai.

Takamuli

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Malo Sikei.

Óku átaa pe kakai hala paánga ia , ka ko e lesisita ko eni ke fakapapauí e kakai tenau tokoni fakapaánga mo tufaki mai ki ai e ng fiemaú fakapaánga áe ACC.. Óku $40 pe lesista ko eni he taú ki he tokotaha , maámáa ange lesisita fakakulupu, pea ko e paánga ia óku fai áki e ng fatongia áe ACC.

Ko e ng Faiángalotu, ko éne tokolahi ange óku í he $10 ki he foí úlu ..ko mautolu ko eni óku lesista he Faiángalotu , to e lesista fakafoítuitui pe pea to e áve pe mo e ng öfa mavahe ,,ne foaki atu é he ACC Tonga e $2105, kehe pe eni mei heénau lesisita fakafoítuitui.

Hange pe nai e lesista ko e misinale ia ó e taú ki he ACC..ka óku mau lotolahi pe kemau tokoni ka e tuútuú hifo ha kilo sipi he UIke..


ófa atu.

Takamuli




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Sami manatu kihe fo'i metafoa koia 'ae kulii ne namu haahaa kihe kau ako kae huke'i hake 'e Sisu 'ae loungutu kae hinapaki mai 'e nifo ia.Sami kapau koe fakavetevete eni he'e kau fakatalatala  faka'uhinga 'oe Tohi.Koe kulii (kau senitaile,fe'auaki,fakasotoma,etc) kihe kakai fili (kau ako 12) koe namu haahaa 'I he'e nau muimui kihe LAO moe tuku fakaholo 'o fai fakamaau 'e kinautolu ia kae taloa atu 'ae 'Eiki 'o fakalaka atu he kau fakatonutonu moe kau mamahi'i kihe totonu kae 'avea 'ihe ma'a ekiaki 'ae loto 'oe fa'ahinga 'oku lau koe Kulii tokua.

Kiate au Sami na'a kuo ta 'uli'i 'ae Tepile ni kae tafulu'i kitaua  ka 'oku ou siofi 'e au 'a 'e tau fononga moe fakavilovilo tu'u ma'u 'oku tau fai.Ne'ine'i folofola  'ae 'Eiki kihe fefine (kulii) 'alu he kuo fakamo'ui ho'o ta'ahine 'ihe hinapaki pehe 'a ho'o.... TUI....

Malo moe 'ofa mahalo kuo to mama'o au.

Kolo. 

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Sami mo Kolo.
!

Ko e talanoa 'o e fakasotoma 'oku hulu'i 'aki ia 'a e fakatupu 'ae 'Otua , naaaaaaaaaaaaaa'e fakatupu 'ae tangata mo e fefine 'i he taumu'a mo e kaveinga 'a e 'Otua . Ke na mali pea ke na pule mo fakatokolahi 'a mamani...

 'Oku tu'u toloi holo e ng me'a fakapolitikale he issue ko eni ko e feinga ke 'oatu a'e totonu 'ae fanau, ko e Politikale ia.

Ko e Siasi kuo nau mavahe mei he Tokateline 'o e Fakatupu mo e Mali fakatatau ki he fakahinohino 'ae Tohitapu, ko e 'uhinga ia 'o e fakalelei lotu ko eni.

Ka toki 'iai ha mo faingamalie mo afe ki ai , he 'oku mo hee mama'o .

Takamuli.


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Takamuli

Malie’ia lahi au ho’o fakavilivili talu mei ‘anefe ho’o talaki e ACC, pea ‘ikai toe ufi ho’o talaki e palakuu ‘oe UCA, kae siosio ta’elea atu pe e kau faifekau mo kinautolu ‘oku ‘iai mo ngaue aii. Kuo mahino ‘eni ‘oku nau kuikui mo mohe pe he palakuu.

Ki’I hoha’a lahi ‘I ho’o fakatalanoa… he hangehange ka ‘oku toe pe fo’I sitepu ‘e taha pea ke toki ma’ulotu pe ki Tonga Ki he SUTT, ka ke holomu pe ‘o lotu family pe ‘I ‘api.

Tokoua, fefe ka ‘osi pe fo’I sitepu koia pea ke ‘alu pe ki he SUTT heni ‘o lotulotu ai, he ko ho taleniti ‘oku fu’u fiema’u he ngaue. Tukukehe ka ‘oku ke tui koe koe SUTT pe ‘I Tonga ‘oku faka- Kosipeli, kae hala lahi e SUTT ia heni.

‘Oku ou hoha’a lahi foki tokoua na’a faifaiangee pea tali ‘e hotau pule’anga e mali faitatau, pea ke hiki koe ki Tonga, ka ‘oku te’eki ‘osi hotau ‘api hono taa. Pea ‘oku te manavasi’I na’a faifaiange pea ke tukuhifo e fuka ‘o Aust hange ko hono tukuhifo e faka’ilonga ‘oe UCA kuo toutou fai hono talaki maii.

Neu fakakaukau pehe au…ka tali ‘e he siasi kuo kau kiai e fakasotoma….teu kalo ki ha siasi ‘e taha ‘o ‘ikai toe fakavilovilo holo ai he ‘oku ‘ikai ko ha Ngaue’anga (hange ko ho’o lauu)’a hoto family, kete nofo ke fakalelei’i. Ka fklao’I ‘e Aust e me’a ni….ko ‘ete foki ia ki Tonga. Ka tali ‘e Tonga….teu ‘alu au ‘o to ki tahi keu si’I mate ai….’iooo.

Nofonofo pea te pehee…Koe haa koa kete si’I mate maumau ai, he taumaiaa ‘e fakamaau’I au ‘e Sihova ‘o fktatau ki he fakafeangai hoku siasi pe fonua, ka ko ‘ete fakafeanga’I pe ‘a’ata. Toe liliu ai ‘ete fakakaukau ‘o talu ai ‘ete lata heni he kumi he fonua lelei.

Ke lesisita he koha to hina..….Na’aku fakakaukau keu kau atu, kae mahalo ‘oku sai keu pine pe moe tevolo kuo kamata keu mahino’I ‘o ‘ilo, he tevolo ‘oku te’eki keu sio ‘o ‘ilo.

Malo e pipiki ‘I ho’o tui, ka ‘oku meimei fkilifia ki he’eku vakai, he ‘e hangehange ka ke taki ha revolution hotau fonua ni, tupu mei ho’o mamahi.

Kautaha Fakalelei Lotu ??????? Church Politics at its best….’ihe sio pe ‘eni ia mei he matavao.

Tauange ‘oku mou ma’u ha ‘aho lelei.

100 Doors.

 

 

 

 

 

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Koe Fakakaukau pe 'eni : meihe kakai kuo nau kei tekina holo ihe hala-Pule'anga i Mamani , koe 'uhi koe " FEKIHIAKI " pe ko fe koaa 'ae me'a tetau Fai.

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Matapa100.

Ko e fo'i sitepu ni mahalo te u 'uluaki mate au 'oku te'eki form ia .. ..Ka 'oku liliu ngofua pe 'atamai 'o e tangata kapau 'oku hala , 'i ha tokoni mai 'a e LM.

"Oku fai lelei'i pe 'e he ACC hono fatongia ne 'uhinga ai 'enau tu'u fakataha..'oku 'ikai tuku 'enau faitohi mo feinga ke talanoa mo e tepile 'ae Assembly hotau Siasi, fekau'aki mo'enau ng liliu 'oku 'ikai taau mo'etau Tokateline ha he Basis of Union.

'Oku ou tui foki ki hano fakamaau'i kitautolu 'o fakatatau ki he me'a 'oku tau tui mo to'onga 'aki, pea ko kinautolu 'oku tui ki he 'Eiki ko Sisu Kalisi 'i hono anga, tenau ma'u 'ae mo'ui.

'Oku ta u feinga pe he taimi lahi ke 'oua na'a hoko 'etau mamahi'i ha me'a ke ne to e 'omi ai ha hala 'omi mala, ko ia 'oku ou pehe Matapa100, ke ke lotu mai mu'a ma'aku na'a 'ohovale ange kuo u 'alu au ki Tonga 'oku te'eki 'osi e ta hotau 'api, neongo ko moutolu pe 'oku lii pa'anga.



Takamuli.





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Hhhh, Io mahalo kuo mama'o ema faofao mo Kolo, meihe Fakalelei Lotu 'oku mou 'iai..

Kapau koia, koe ha ne mou huu ai Ki Tu'a, kae ikai kemou Fai e Fakalelei ' i loto, Koe uhi Takamuli oku ngali kehe ia, kemou mavahe koe Fakalelei, kamou hanga mai lau'ii kovii mo lea kovii sii Sinoti moe Kau Faifekau ae Uniting,,,,

Kataki, koe natula oe Faklelei koe "Takitaha-faima'ana" 'oua e toe tuhu holo.

Kuou tui, koe fklelei-lotu, 'oua temou toe tokanga mai kihe Kau Faifekau koee, kamou kamata pea tukunoa'i e Uniting moho nau kakai,

Koe fehu'i, kapau Ko Sihova na'ane fa'u e tangata, kohai leva tene fakamaaui e tangata Oka faiangahala? Koe ACC, pe e tuku pe ia Kia Sihova..

Takamuli,, kuou manavasii na'a hoko ho'o mou Fakalelei-lotu koha me'a kemou """"Fieme'a"""" ai kihe fa'u ae Otua o fkmaau'iii hili koia oku te'eki ke ha'ele mai, ,,,

Mahalo koe toe mama'o ange ,,,,koe fakatalanoa pe.

smp

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Sami mo Kolo.
!

Ko e talanoa 'o e fakasotoma 'oku hulu'i 'aki ia 'a e fakatupu 'ae 'Otua , naaaaaaaaaaaaaa'e fakatupu 'ae tangata mo e fefine 'i he taumu'a mo e kaveinga 'a e 'Otua . Ke na mali pea ke na pule mo fakatokolahi 'a mamani...

 'Oku tu'u toloi holo e ng me'a fakapolitikale he issue ko eni ko e feinga ke 'oatu a'e totonu 'ae fanau, ko e Politikale ia.

Ko e Siasi kuo nau mavahe mei he Tokateline 'o e Fakatupu mo e Mali fakatatau ki he fakahinohino 'ae Tohitapu, ko e 'uhinga ia 'o e fakalelei lotu ko eni.

Ka toki 'iai ha mo faingamalie mo afe ki ai , he 'oku mo hee mama'o .

Takamuli.


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Sami manatu kihe fo'i metafoa koia 'ae kulii ne namu haahaa kihe kau ako kae huke'i hake 'e Sisu 'ae loungutu kae hinapaki mai 'e nifo ia.Sami kapau koe fakavetevete eni he'e kau fakatalatala  faka'uhinga 'oe Tohi.Koe kulii (kau senitaile,fe'auaki,fakasotoma,etc) kihe kakai fili (kau ako 12) koe namu haahaa 'I he'e nau muimui kihe LAO moe tuku fakaholo 'o fai fakamaau 'e kinautolu ia kae taloa atu 'ae 'Eiki 'o fakalaka atu he kau fakatonutonu moe kau mamahi'i kihe totonu kae 'avea 'ihe ma'a ekiaki 'ae loto 'oe fa'ahinga 'oku lau koe Kulii tokua.

Kiate au Sami na'a kuo ta 'uli'i 'ae Tepile ni kae tafulu'i kitaua  ka 'oku ou siofi 'e au 'a 'e tau fononga moe fakavilovilo tu'u ma'u 'oku tau fai.Ne'ine'i folofola  'ae 'Eiki kihe fefine (kulii) 'alu he kuo fakamo'ui ho'o ta'ahine 'ihe hinapaki pehe 'a ho'o.... TUI....

Malo moe 'ofa mahalo kuo to mama'o au.

Kolo. 


On Thursday, 8 October 2015 16:39:15 UTC+11, Sami Pakofe wrote:
Kolo, koia 'ae fakakaukau kuou faktalanoa atu ai " 'oku fai fononga fakataha pe TEA IA MOE UITE,  koe 'uhi kae lava ke tangutu mai a 'sii kau takatu'u, he kuo hange kuo FOKOTU'U kinautolu ki olunga kaE tuhu'I kotoa pe KONAUTOLU 'AE TEFITO'I MAUMAU LAO".. kae hili koia oku ikai kehekehe 'ae Faksotoma moe tamate kia Sihova, koe ha kuo Faka-kalasi ai e Angahala, ke hoko ia koe " me'a ke fesitu'a'aki ai 'ae KAKAI LOTU, kae ikai ketau Tokangaekina kotoa pe 'ae " ANGAHALA" oku ikai sai hono kotoa.

Kapau e hange koe fakatalanoa oku ke talanoa mai kiai, pea kuou tui he'ikai toe fai hano Fakfehu'i e TOHI -MATOLU..., ka tau nofo koe fangatea-pe fangauite, 'o tau 'inasi kotoa pe ihe 'ene 'Ofa, kane toki fakamavahe-vahe'ii kitautolu ihe 'ene ha'u..

" Kolo kuo toko- lahi e NOFO TU'AFALE -LOTU PE 'AE KAKAI, KOhono vahevahe'ii mo faka-kalasi e Angahala...Pea kuo kamata ke hohoi e Tangata ke Fai e Sivi kihe mo'ui, ka 'oku ikai ko'ene me'a...

Fakamolemole pe 'a Takamuli moe kau Fakalelei Lotu, Hange hange kiate au teu ala ui "oku "  hanga 'ehe ACC 'o ABUSING 'ae Tau'ataina 'ae Tangata moe Fefine kihe 'enau FILI TAU'ATAINA, 

fakamolemole, 'oku ikai teuteu poupou'ii 'ae faiangahala, ka 'ihe taimi tatau pe 'oku ikai ha'aku totonu keu sivisivi'i ha Tanagata pe Fefine KOE 'UHI KOHA'ANE FILI TAU'ATINA..'o Tala kuo kovi 'ae Fakasotoma.... Neongo 'eku ikai loto kiai, but it's non of my business ... kapau oku ikai sai ia kiate au ------- Mahalo koe sai ia kiate iaa.. koia e me'a teu faka'apa'apa'i, koe me'a koee "OKU NE FIEFIA KIAI..

Koe fkatalanoa pe...kamou toki fakamaama mai.

sami.


2015-10-08 15:55 GMT+11:00 kolo <kolo...@hotmail.com>:
Sami koe fifili koe ha e lau koe ne kenonaisi w tohimatolu kae  hili ha ngaahi ta'u pea toki fakahu 'a 2 PITA.

Fakatalanoa malie kihe fakakakato lao 'a Sisu.'Ikai tene liliu ha fo'i kohi 'ihe tohi lao kae fake'a pe.(Ti.Lote,Kope  etc.) Kiate au ka tau tatala 'ae kau Peteliake mei he tohimatolu. Te tau fetaulaki nai mo ha Sisu koe Misaia pe 'ikai.

Manatu'i ko Lote, Lute,,Opeti,Sese,Ti pea Kia Sisu.

Vakai ange kihe Domestic violence 'uluaki hoko pe he fale 'oe 'uluaki ongo matu'a.(fakapoongi 'o Epeli).Kei laumalie lelei e va 'o 'Atamai moe 'Otua.

Hili e Lomaki 'uluaki kamata pe 'ae domestic violence moe abuse 'e Noa hono 'ofefine.(puipui ange he mo kimoutolu).Kei lelei e va o Noa moe Eiki.

Kiate au 'e ala fakafekiki'i pe koe tohimatolu is a history book.

Koe anga pe lau.He 'oku angai tonu ange 'ae origin of species moe natural selection ia 'ihe feinga 'oku tau fai he 'oku fai fononga fakataha pe TEA IA MOE UITE.

Kolo.
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'I ai ha kii masi hena Fkongo mo Kolo?... Hhhhh. Ko e manava si'i ko e me'a ia 'a e hela. Hhh. Malo Takamuli e taukave'i e mo'oni mo tau popohiva aipe 'i he me'a fk'eiki 'a e UCA. Hhehe

Tapuaki 'ia

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Sami...

Te u afe si'i atu ki he Fakalelei lotu.. ko e Fakalelei lotu ko eni ,. ko e Fakalelei mo e 'Otua he kuo tau aafe mei he mo'oni 'o e Folofola 'ae 'Otua.. 'oku meimei natula taha 'ae ng Fakalelei lotu ,,
Ko e to e tangi ki ha meesi 'ae 'Otua 'i he fakalelei kuo fai 'ia Kalaisi he Kolosi...ke ne toe hoifua mai ai .. pea Uki e kakai kenau kau ai . Ko ia 'oku tu'u leva 'a e ACC he loto UCA 'o tangi ki ha meesi ma'a hono kakai,
pea ke kouna mo e kakai ke afe mei 'alunga kovi..

'Oku 'ikai ke u fiefia he Ui e Kulupu ni ko e Kulupu fakamoveuveu, ko e lau ai 'ae tokolahi, taha kehe ai ho'o fakatonulea 'au..ka e mahalo na'a sai ange ketau fakamokomoko ki kalapu ee.


Takamuli.







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Hhhh, Io mahalo kuo mama'o ema faofao mo Kolo, meihe Fakalelei Lotu 'oku mou 'iai..


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Hhhhh, teke ifo koe eee, 'Ahau, oku ikai teu manava sii, ka kuou manavahee, hhhhhh.
'oua pe na'a mou 'ita kae tuku pe au mo Kolo, he ko'etaupotalanoa ihe Tohitapu,, pea oku 'iai kotoa pe ae ngaahi me'ani,,,koe toe 'eni ketau Specify 'ae ngaahi mo'oni'i me'a,,,he neongo ho'o tapaka-Tonga, kau winfield  ka oku na kohu tatau pe oku puhi mai kitu'a,, ,,hhhhh he 'e aaaa, alu aa koe o ifi ee,,  

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'I ai ha kii masi hena Fkongo mo Kolo?... Hhhhh. Ko e  manava si'i ko e me'a ia 'a e  hela. Hhh. Malo Takamuli e taukave'i e mo'oni mo tau popohiva aipe 'i he me'a fk'eiki 'a e UCA. Hhehe

Tapuaki 'ia

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Sami malie tama he na'aku pehe 'oku ke fakateka ta koee koe sika tapaka Tonga.Fu'u malie 'aupito 'ae po lave ia.Kae puke'i mai 'a 'Ahau ke ki'i voke'i moe langalanga ke tolo.
Mo'oni 'aupito Takamuli 'a ho'o taukave pea koe mamahi'i ia 'oe TUI kuopau ke malohi 'ete taukave.he koe mo'oni pe ia kia kita.Koe me'a kuou fifili ai au Takamuli 'oku mei he kamata'anga pe ia 'o hange koe fakatalanoa 'ki mu'a.KOE ABUSE,DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, Na'e hoko pe ia ''ihe fuofua mokopuna 'oe 'Otua na'a ne ngaohi kitaua.Kei laumalie lelei pe honau vaha'angatae.Koe fehu'i pe kapau koe kamata hake pe vela pea ne
tamate'i he'ikai maumau'i he'e afi 'ae tafangaloa.Kae hanga atu ia 'o fakahee'i 'a Keini ke tolonga 'ae maumau 'o tau afuhia ai kotoa.

Koe fakalelei lotu ko ena koe MODEL OF REALITY ia ke tau muimui ai? Te ne malava ke fakatonutonu 'ae fu'u leta hokohoko 'oe Chromosome ke 'oua toe fakalaka'i he'e X 'ae Y moe toe mutate 'o tupu noa'ia ai 'ae kau gay moe down syndrome,addiction etc.'o toe kasia ai 'ae fanga ki'i cell 'oe fakatupu kakato ke Tangata mo Fefine 'o hange ko ia 'oku fai ki ai 'ae taukave.

Koe lau atu pe mei he fano,
Kolo.

Sami Pakofe

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Koe fakalelei lotu ko ena koe MODEL OF REALITY ia ke tau muimui ai? Te ne malava ke fakatonutonu 'ae fu'u leta hokohoko 'oe Chromosome ke 'oua toe fakalaka'i he'e X 'ae Y moe toe mutate 'o tupu noa'ia ai 'ae kau gay moe down syndrome,addiction etc.'o toe kasia ai 'ae fanga ki'i cell 'oe fakatupu kakato ke Tangata mo Fefine 'o hange ko ia 'oku fai ki ai 'ae taukave.
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Kolo koe me'a ia na'e totonu ke 'uluaki fai 'ehe kau Fakalelei,,,,,,,, Koe tali e fehu;i ko'ena oku ke lave mai kiai : tetau lava koaa 'o ta'ofi 'eni ke 'oua 'e toe hoko pe ikai ? 

Kolo, KUO HOKO e ngaahi Fakalelei lahi koe Fakaninimo kihe Kakai ( kau muimui) , he oku tokolahi ekau muimui ko'enau " kaikaila " 'eni moe ta'e mahino'ii 'e tohitapu.

" te mau lava 'o ta'of, ke oua 'e toe 'iai ha mali fai tatau," 

 "temau lava 'o ta'ofi ke 'oua 'e toe 'iai ha mali fai tatau,". 

Pea tohi mata lalahi ihe Banner, pea fai mohono lotu'i ,,,, 'Osi koia koe fakautuutu ange ia 'ene tupu....

Kolo, oku mo'oni 'ae fehu'i kuo ke tuku mai, pea kuou tui he'ikai tenau lava 'o Ta'ofi ,,, koe me'a ia oku fu'u poto ange ai 'ae Uniting, he oku nau ilo'i " OKU 'IKAI KONAUTOLU TENE LAVA KE FAI E FAKALELEIII ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, KOE 'OTUA PE TOKOTAHA TENE LAVA,,,

Pea kapau koe 'Otua pe tokotaha tene lava e FAKALELEI........ koe ha koaa oku vilita'e'unua ai e Hako'i Tangata ke fie 'OTUA ? malie lahi ia, ta koe fakalelei ko'eni 'ae ACC koe fai fakamamata pe ihe TA'EMAHINO ,,ka oku totonu kenau nofo hifo 'o KAU FAKATAHA moe UNITING hono " POTALANOA'I " , tuku efakalele'ii ia koe ME'A IA 'A SISU..

kOLOkoe kii TALANOA fakamo'oni 'eni;;;;;;;;; 

FEKAU 'EHA 'EIKI KIHE 'ENE KAU NGAUE kenau o ki'uta 'o fai 'e to uite,, pongipongi hake 'e taha, 'o atu kinautolu kuo tupu mai 'e vao ( TEA) ia ai Fakataha moe Uite..

Nau hika mai ki Kolo , moe kaikaila,,, " Eiki, 'Eiki, KOE fakatu'utamaki ''ENI KUO HOKO, talange 'ehe 'Eiki, koe ha? PEA NAU TALI, koe uite nemau lulu, kuo tupuhake ai moe vao( TEA)...

fakalelei na'e fai 'ehe 'Eiki: " MOU FOKI KI 'UTA,'o fai ha'a mou 'umu ee, pea 'ai moha lo'i luu kemou kai,,pea o 'o Fu'ifu'i mo Tauhi 'oUA na'a mou ala kiai", ko hono Fakalelei 'oe me'a na , " KO AU TOKOTAHA PE ",'oua na'a mou ala kihe vao( tea), "Tapu 'aupito, TUKU AI PE IA AI, HE TEU FAI 'EAU E NGAUE ( FAKALELEI KIAI)..


Koia ai, Oku ikai toe kehekehe kaungaue ko'eni 'ae 'Eiki, moe ACC, te'eki ke 'ai hake e " Mali Faitatau" KUO NAU LELE 'OSI MOE KAIKAILA,, kana'e totonu ke nau nofo pe 'i loto, 'O FAI AI 'ENAU FU'IFU'I ,,

Oku akonekina kitautolu 'ehe Tohipau ihe ngaahi Potu kehekehe pe, KETAU 'ILO HOTAU NGATA'ANGA moe me'a tetau Malava......... koe ACC oku ne Abusing 'ae Tau'ataina 'ae Kakai kihe 'ena Fili ( tea moe uite ihe 'enau tupu hake).........tau tukuange 'ae me'a 'a Sihova kia Sihova, tau fai 'etautolu e too, fu'ifu'i, he oku 'ae 'Eii 'oe Ta'u hono Fakaola..

kau tasilisili, koe Fakatalanoa pe 'ena ,'oua temou mamahi mai kia au, 'o pehe kuou heuheu'ii ha mo'oni, ikai, koe mahino 'ena kiate au, " 'ae Ue'i kiatautolu 'ehe tohitapu" ...

faka'osinga 'oe uike, kekei fai aipe hoatu tapuekina mei langi,,

sami.


 
 
   

Saulisi Mafileo

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Pea kapau nae ngata pe tea he loto ngoue hangeko e talanoa. Ka ko e fakaloloma tahaa eni ia. Kuo tau tali ke hoko e tea ko e kau tutuu'i tenga he ene loto ngoue. Pea ka iai ha uite e tupu hake he ngoue ko ia. Ka ikai ke nau ta'aki , ko enau liliu ai pe ke tea. Ko e anga pe e munomuna.
sikei.


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Malo e ke i talanoa, óku malohi foki á e teke í he tafaáki ó e Mali Fakasotoma, ko e meá fakakonisenisi, he óku na u pehe ko e angi eni honau Konisenisi kenau fakasotoma.. Óku ne uesia ai mo e tafaáki á e sií Kau ngaue ó e Siasi hange ko e kau Faifekau ..heé iku ke fai áki pe honau Konisenisi pe tenau tali ke fakahoko ha mali Fakasotoma.

Ko e mali óku maama meihe Folofola á hono founga pea ko e meá ketau matuáki fai pau  ki ai, ka óku íkai ko ha meá ketau fili peé tetau fai ki ai, kapau ko ha kakai kitautolu óku tui ki he Éiki ko Sisu Kalaisi fakatatau ki he fakahinohino áe Folofola.

Takamuli

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Kolo wr.
Koe fakalelei lotu ko ena koe MODEL OF REALITY ia ke tau muimui ai?


Kuo kole atu ke ke muimui ki ai kapau óku ke tui oku hala áe toóngamoúi ko e fakasotoma.. Óku íkai tuku í ha tau pe afe ha Koloa, pe tuku ó íkai liliu á mamai ó tui ki he Kosipeli.

Takamuli





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Kolo mo Fkongo, oku 'i ai ha fo'i tapaka tonga hena ketau kii takai? Hhhhhhh. Oku fuu mamafa homo ai fehui amoua he ko e ngaahi lea fkfalemahaki ena ia oku mo ngauemai'aki - syndrome, addiction, model, chromosome, etc... Hihihihihi. Mo 'unu'unu mai ketau vakai'i e fo'i tapaka tonga koeni... Heheheheh

Samiuela Taufa

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Kau tama

‘Oku ‘ikai kemou tu’u mai ketau o ki ‘uta ‘o epuepu ‘etau fanga ki’I konga ma’ala he fu’u ‘aho Tokonaki ni…..ka mou femou’ekina kimoutolu he maumau’I homou taimi he fu’u fo’I me’a maumautaimi ko’ena.

Fefe ke tau feinga ke tu’uaki e Kautaha fakalelei ‘a Takamuli he ngaahi media (lea moe ongo)..ke a’u atu pe ki ha taimi kuo maau ke lesisita he pule’anga ni koe Kautaha Lotu, kuo tokolahi atu e kau ngaue, ke fua e ngaahi fiema’u fakapa’anga ‘ae kau paipa.

Sami mo Kolo…. Na’e anga fefee ‘ae huu mai ‘ae Kolomosomo ho’omou talanga’I e ACC.. ‘Aia ko Australian Chromosome Committee…..hhhhhh.

Koe fakamatalili atu pe meihe lotovao he tu’aliku ‘oku fai ai ki’I epuepu !!!

 

Matapa e Teau.

 

 

 

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'Atamai tonu pasika 'aupito 'ae fo'i analogy kuo ke fakatalanoa  mai ai pea kuo tau feinga ke talangata'a kihe folofola 'a Sisu '''Tuku pe ke na tutupu,kae feinga hotau 'ulungaanga'i tangata ke fakatonutonu'i 'ae me'a 'oku ta'e malava.Sami mahalo 'e au 'oku tonu ke nau manatu kihe feinga 'ae tangata ne hoko kihe sipi koia ko Dolly ne nau feinga kae 'ikai pe.Tuku pe 'ae fa'u tangata 'ae 'Otua he ko 'ene fokotu'utu'u ka  tau tali pe. 

 Kau tangata 'oua te mo toe ta'ofi 'e moutolu ki maua he koe fa'ahinga jargon ia ko eni kuo to atu  ia kihe tu'unga obstinate koe ha'ele 'anga ua pe tene malava 'o 'omai 'ae totonu.

Koe me'a 'oku fai ai Veni mo Matapa e Teau e fekumi fakalalotakapau kihe fa'unga (X moe Y) pe ko hai 'oku ne 'auhi 'ae fa'unga 'o makatu'unga ai 'ae debilitating 'ae ngaahi 'elemeniti ke tu'unga 'ae ngaahi term faka falemahaki 'oku fai ai e kohi.He ka lava 'o tali ia he'ikai toe hela 'a Takamuli he mamahi'i 'ae  kovi mali tatau koe 'uhi he'ikai toe fanau'i (tulou atu) ha taha 'o Gay.

Koe fehu'i pe matapa e Teau 'e malava he'e propensity 'oe (scientist moe religious) ke nau eradicate 'ae gay mei he biosphere 'oku tau fetaa'utu'i ai kae tuku hono take advantage of the trust and the  gullibility of the people moe fakaninimo (epically the Tongan).

Koe ngaahi fekihiaki kihe  fakatupu (the big bang) ne nau (scientists)hanga ai 'o fakatoka ha paipa 'I lolofonua 'I Suisalani pea nau tukuange ai ha ongo fo'i electron which they travel in speed of light.Koe taimi na'a na fetaulaki koe fu'u fo'i pahu (the perfect sound of life) atu pea koe efuefu koia ne nau mamata ai koe efuefu'i maama.moe ongo 'oe mo'ui Na'a nau fakahingoa koe GOD  PARTICALS.He na'e 'ihe kamata'anga na'e 'iai 'a folofola (koe fa'ahinga linguistics ia 'oe maama) Tuku pe ke na tutupu he'e Tea pe mo Uite ..........Hahaha......Tuku pe ke ma'u ha tau oli. he kuo ninimo e kakai ia.

Malo 'aupito ka kuo te heva kita he sonee,

Kolo. 

Sitiveni Faupula

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Hhhhhhhhhhhhh... Kolomosomo koe kamakamata ia e teu hu kihe sumo... Hhhhhhhhhh

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'Api o hai???? Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Feungai atu naa mau ha faitoo e kanisaa. Hhhhh. Kataku pe he oku kei fai pe kone mei anepo he sii 'ulungia e Manu Samoa. Ioooo

Sami0602

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Sikei, koe faofao malie 'ena, pea kuou kau au he fiefia ai, kapau e Fai ha ngaue kihe "tea", ka koe 'uhinga pe neu fifili'ii ai e talanoa ni,, koe pehe 'ehe "Tauhi-Ngoue", (Eiki), " oua na'a mou ala kiai, he ka moula ala ke ta'aki e tea, pea e malangalanga (uesia) ai e "uite", ,,

Sikei, tau kau fktaha moe kole ar tauhi-ngoue, " tuku mai mu'a ha taimi, ke mau toe Fai ha keli moha taufetuku kiai, he'ilo na'a faofao kuo iai ha fua,,,

Sikei, poupou atu kapau, Te tau kaungakau moe tauhingoue,,,ke 'ahi'ahi na'a lava pe hano fktalatala lelei e tea....

Koe fkhinohino kuo Fai 'ehe tohitapu,,, Koe Uki ha fktomala , kihe kakai oe fonua, koia ne fair Ninive, koe taha koe 'Aukai moe Lotu, koia e fkhinohino a

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Pea kapau nae ngata pe tea he loto ngoue hangeko e talanoa. Ka ko e fakaloloma tahaa eni ia. Kuo tau tali ke hoko e tea ko e kau tutuu'i tenga he ene loto ngoue. Pea ka iai ha uite e tupu hake he ngoue ko ia. Ka ikai ke nau ta'aki , ko enau liliu ai pe ke tea. Ko e anga pe e munomuna.
sikei.

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Sami0602

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Kataki pe he motihiaa

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Sii kuo motumotu e me'a ni ia,, mou kataki pe, hekoe Tasilisili atu eni meihe  mobile,,

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Matapa100 neono e fo'i 'a e 'Ikaletahia ka na'e 'ikai ke pehe ne tuki pe all black ka sio atu pe 'Ikale,,ne na malie pe... toki tatuku 'aki 'a e Wallaby, he malukolo malie taha 'o e World Cup tatau pe ongo timi ka e mahulu atu e Wallby he nenay malukolo 'i he kaati egeenga 'etau ongo va'inga 'e toko ua.

Malo e uiaki e poupou, ka 'oku ou fokotu'u atu kau tangata 'oku sai ange " Kau" (involve), pea 'oku ou 'uhinga au ha fa'ahinga Kulupu pe temou kau ki ai kehe ke mahino ki he Siasi mo e Pule'anga 'oku 'ikai ketau loto ke faka'ataa e angahala ko eni 'o hange ko e 'ikai ketau loto ke faka'ataa e Kaiha'a , fe'auaki , loi mo e kaakaa he loto Siasi..

'Oku ta u angahala kotoa pe, pea ko e ngaue 'oku fai 'e he ng Kulupu fakalelei lotu ko e fakamahu'inga pe 'ae Pekia 'a e 'EIki ko Sisu Kalaisi ko 'etau ng Angahala, pea toetu'u ke ne fakasino mai 'ae lahi 'o e Kelesi 'ae 'Otua kuo tau anuanu ai , ko e ma'u 'ae mo'ui ta'e'ngata. 'I he pekia mo e toetu'u ko iaa 'oku ne fakaivia kitautolu ketau laka atu 'i he tui kuo 'osi fai hotau fakahaohaoa, pea 'oku mei ai 'ae 'ikai ketau loto ke faka'ataa e Fakasotoma.

Takamuli.





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Kau tama

‘Oku ‘ikai kemou tu’u mai ketau o ki ‘uta ‘o epuepu ‘etau fanga ki’I konga ma’ala he fu’u ‘aho Tokonaki ni…..ka mou femou’ekina kimoutolu he maumau’I homou taimi he fu’u fo’I me’a maumautaimi ko’ena.

Fefe ke tau feinga ke tu’uaki e Kautaha fakalelei ‘a Takamuli he ngaahi media (lea moe ongo)..ke a’u atu pe ki ha taimi kuo maau ke lesisita he pule’anga ni koe Kautaha Lotu, kuo tokolahi atu e kau ngaue, ke fua e ngaahi fiema’u fakapa’anga ‘ae kau paipa.

Sami mo Kolo…. Na’e anga fefee ‘ae huu mai ‘ae Kolomosomo ho’omou talanga’I e ACC.. ‘Aia ko Australian Chromosome Committee…..hhhhhh.

Koe fakamatalili atu pe meihe lotovao he tu’aliku ‘oku fai ai ki’I epuepu !!!

 

Matapa e Teau.

 

 

 


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Kolo mo Sami.

Ko e fakakaukau kuo mou fokotu'u 'o pehe ngalingali he'ikai 'aonga 'o kapau he'ikai lava 'o ta'ofi ai e Fakasotoma.. Ko e faka'amu ia 'a e kau Kalisitiane 'oku 'ikai kenau tui 'oku taau ke faka'ataa 'e he Siasi 'ae fakasotoma, ka 'i he taimi tatau pe 'oku 'ikai ko e malanga'i e Kosipeli 'e fakafalala he ngaue 'ae Tangata, fai pe 'etautolu e fatongia ka 'oku 'a e 'Eiki ha no fakafuo..tuutuu'i pe kitautolu mo 'amanaki 'e 'iai e Kelekele taau te ne tali e folofola pea 'iai mo e ng konga kelekele te ne pu'aki mai.

Ko e pehe 'oku Fai fakamaau , 'oku 'ikai! He ko e me'a ia 'a e Ka u Kalaisitiane 'i honau ng Siasi ko hono malanga'i e Kosipeli pea 'oku fakafalala ia he tuku e me'a 'oku kovi , ko e valoki mo akonaki mo'ui ia mo ha le'o Fakapalofita ma'ae Fonua, ketau  tafoki 'o tui ki he 'Eiki ko Sisu Kalaisi..  'Oku lahi pe 'ae fa'a pehe 'oku fai fakamaau ka 'oku 'ikai ke u lave'i pe ko ha lea fe'unga ia ke 'ai ki he taimi kuo tau 'ilo'i ai ha lelei 'o kouna mo fakaloto'i 'aki hotau kaungamo'ui ke tui ki ai pea tafoki mei he kovi.

Kuo u faka'amu pe temou hu mai 'o talanoa he kaveinga ,"  'Oku 'ikai taau ke faka'ataa e fakasotoma"  he Siasi mo e Pule'anga, pea 'oku 'uhinga ai e ng Kulupu fakaleleilotu 'oku ou lave ki ai pea mo ia 'oku kau ki ai, 'i maama pe 'o e Folofola 'ae 'Otua.

Takamuli.


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Malo masi'i Atamai, pea ko e ngaue pe 'ena ia 'oku lolotonga fai 'e kitautolu 'o takimu'a ai 'a e kau faifekau/ kau malanga.
Ko e me'a 'oku ou fehu'ia, ko e hoko 'a e kakai 'oku to'onga mo'ui pehee, (mali hoa tatau/ kau ta mali mo fakamamahi 'i 'api) 'o taki 'i he siasi pea kuo nau palesiteni/ faifekau etc. Hange kuo 'ikai ke nau kei hoko pe ko ha tea he loto ngoue uite. Ka ko kinautolu 'eni ia 'oku nau hoko atu 'a e ngaue 'a e tauhi ngoue. 'Oku nau tutuu'i mo fakaviviku 'a e ngoue'anga 'a e 'Eiki. Pea ko e fakaloloma taha, ko hono toe tali kakato 'e he siasi mo e ngaahi lao 'a e ngaahi  fonua. Pea 'oku nau pehee ko e to'onga mo'ui pe ia 'oku sai ke fakaili he loto ngoue. 
Ko e faofao atu pe 'Atamai mei motu ni, mo e 'ofa ai pe.

Sitiveni Faupula

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Oua e uki ke tala ke fktomala Fkongo he ko e abuse ia e totonu e kakai... Hhhhh. Ka na'a ko ha fai mai ena 'e Siona ene malanga mo kalanga ke fktomala he kuonga ni, 'e tala ia ko 'ene abuse e kakai... Hhhhhhhhhhhh. Tau pau ko aa ki fe????

Samiuela Taufa

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‘Io Veni, kuo ‘osi fkmo’oni’I ia ‘I he’eku fekumi fksaienisi mo hoku kaunga saienitisi…..Koe kau sumo,’oku fano e kolomosomo ‘o meimei hange ia ha leta kula fana sengai, pea koe kau gay ‘oku fakavilovilo ia ‘o hange ia ha fo’I ‘unufe kula….Koe me’a ia ‘oku mau feinga ke fakalele’i… koe Kolomosomo ke ‘oua toe fakavilovilo….hhhhh..sai pe fano, ‘oua pe fkvilovilo.

 

Muela.

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Fifili pe ka u tangata , ka e hoko atu 'eku feinga ke toho mai e talanoa ketau fakamama'u hono 'ikai taau ke tali e mo'ui fakasotoma 'o fakatatau ki he fo'u tangata mo e fefine 'ae  'Otua 'i he'ene taumu'a moe Kaveinga, ko kitautolu ko e hono 'Imisi.

1. Ko e ha ha me'a 'e maumau'i 'i he tafa'aki Politikale 'o ka faifaiange kuo 'ikai ke faka'ataa e Fakasotoma ?
Lolotonga laaulea ki ai e Pule'anga Aussie he taimi ni...ka 'oku toe lahi e me'a 'oku 'omai ki he kakai kenau lau ki ai.

2. Ko e ha ha me'a 'e maumau'i 'i hotau tukufakaholo ko e Tonga kitautolu, 'o ka Faka'ataa 'ae Fakasotoma ?
Te'eki ke u ma'u hano fakatonulea mei hotau tukufakaholo pe fai ha talanoa ki ai 'ae ''Ulumotu'a he nofo 'a Kainga, ki he fakasotoma... Ka 'o kapau kuo kamata ha talanoa ki ai pea tuku mai heni.

3. Ko e ha ha me'a 'e maumau'i 'e he Fakasotoma he Lotu Kalisitiane 'o ka Faka'ataa ?
Kuo 'osi fononga'i mai hono tali 'e he ni'ihi 'i he Siasi hange ko ia ko e ng Kulupu fakalelei lotu kuo lave ki ai, ka 'oku kei toe lahi pe me'a ke lotua mo fakakaukau ki ai.

Takamuli.

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Kolo, kuo mo ‘osi ‘ilo pe mo Sami koe motu’a Saianitisi au…..’ou meimei hange au ia ha mata’I palau tisi pe ko ha kofu tisitisi…’ouaaa…pea ‘oku faingata’a fau keu tuku atu heni e ngaahi mo’oni’I me’a kuo fakamo’oni’I fakasaianisi hono kuletapilitii….(fakaiku ‘’I’’ pe)… ka ‘oku ou fiefia au ho’o lave mai he tafa’aki koia.

A propensity to become gay is no doubt, he ko ‘etau fanga kui talu mei mu’a ne nau gay… Vakai ange aa, ko kitautolu koe kau hako’I gay…Gay lalolalo tapakau ‘etau fanga kui,kae gay open hotau fanga tokoua moe tuofafine he ngaahi ‘aho ni.

Ngali fu’u extreme ho’o ngaue mai ‘aki e ‘’gullibility’’ ki he’emau kau fakalelei lotu…hhhhh.

Mo foki mai aa kihe kaveinga ‘a Takamuli, kae tuku ho’omo feinga fkfihi ee.

 

100 doors.

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'Oku 'ataa heni ki ha fa'ahinga pe kenau talanoa 'i he anga 'o'enau nofo famili.

Taha e ng me'a mahalo 'oku taau ke fakataukei mai 'e kinautolu na'anau fakatokanga'i e taimi ne fakavetevete atu ai e mo'ui tu'utu'unia mei he'ene fanau hange ko eni, mohe he 8pm, tv miniti 'e 30, 'alu ki he fako hangatonu mai ki 'ai mo e ha... Ka e hoko atu 'ene mo'ui  mo'ene fanau ''o fetatauhi'aki ho na vaha'angatae 'i ha tukunga kehe mei he tu'utu'unia.

Ko e lau mo'oni eni he nofo 'ae ongomatu'a, kapau 'oku 'ofa mo'oni Tamai 'i ho'o fanau , pea 'ai ke mo'oni ho'o  'ofa 'i ho Uaifi 'o fai pehe foki mo e Uaifi ki hono Husepaniti.

Ko 'etau nofo famili netau anga hono ngaahi'i kitautolu , 'i he lea fakatonga 'oku anga fakakoloa ha no ngahi'i kita 'i ha'ate tonounou talangata'a pe faifailoto,, 'i he term fakaUestie..ko e buse ia.

Ka hili mu'a ia , pea tau sio ai ki ha founga hono kumi ha mali 'o'etau fanau.

Takamuli

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Ne lave 'a Sikei ki he fo'u famili Fakatonga hange ko ha ma'uma'uluta'anga ia 'o e nofo famili..

'Oku fa'a tokanga pe ongomatu'a ia ki ha fefine pea na tu'u pe naua 'o oo lea ki he ongomatu'a 'ae ki'i fefine ke mali mo hona foha, fa'a pehe nai ha ongomatu'a 'a ha ki'i fefine ?

Kamata 'e fe'ave'aki mo e fetuku, ko e me'a lelei 'e ma'u 'e he ongomatu'a 'e fekau e tuofefine 'o hono foha ke 'alu 'o 'ave ee ma'a Venusi( ki'i fefine).

Hange kiate au 'oku kamata ke fenofo'aki e ongo famili pea 'ongo'i 'e he fanau 'oku kaukaua hono tokangekina kinaua, 'o faka'a'u ai ke langa hona kaume'a ki he tukunga ke na nofo famili ai ha 'aho.

Takamuli


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Malo, Kau Tangata, e Fakapotalanoa, pea malo e fotufotuaki mai 'etau samena Kolo..

Io masi'ii 'Ahau, oku ikai ko'eku Taukave'i 'eku mo'oni ihe "tu'unga" oku fakaSetane, ka kuou taukave'i emo'oni ke " tu'uma'u" hange ha makatu'u, pea ka angahala'ia pea Fakatomala, kae kei tu'uma'u ...

Koe talanoa malie 'ae efiafi ne hu ai 'a Sisu ihe Fale 'oe Kau Angahala,,, "kae hange holo 'i tu'a e kauakonga ha fangapeka,,, e mimiiisiii holo ko'enau ta'e loto ki hu 'a Sisu ihe fale 'o Saimone....

: Koe Tali koee na'e fai 'ehe 'Eiki, na'e ikai koe Toketaa ma'ae mo'ui lelei, ka ma'ae mahamahaki, " na'aku ha'u ma'ae Angahala , kana'e ikai koe ma'oni'oni ::

Kataki pe Takamuli,,, Koho'omou mavahe meihe Uniting 'o Fokotu'uFakalelei-Lotu, oku ikai toe kehekehe moe Kau Ako, tukutaufetuliholo he tu'a fale 'o Saimone, koe puputu'u moe veiveiua, ka koe Fakakoloa ko'enau fiu pe koee he feinga kenau mahino'ii moe 'ikai,  pea nau hu leva ki fale 'o Fakafehu'i 'ae Eiki..

Koe Akonekina koee 'ehe Talanoa ni au, oku pehe ni :

1. Ka oku te puputu'u,pe veiveiua 'oua toe fakatakamilo holo 'i Tu'a fai leva mo "HUU"LEVA 'o fehu'i eveiveiua moe ta'emahino kia SISU.

2. Koe Mahu'inga 'oe 'EIKI , oku ma'ae Kau mahamahaki Fakalaumalie, ka oku Ikai ma'a mou tolu kau Kalisitiane.

3.koe Fakakoloa 'oE 'eke hangatonu kia Sisu, KO'ENE TUKU MAI HOTAU TAPAUAKI.

-koe tapuakai koia, OKU IKAI HA FAIKEHEKHE KIHE 'AFIO HIFO 'AE TAMAI 
- koe tapuaki koia , 'OUA NA'A TAU "  / Mavahe "(isolated) meihe  MO'UI koe 'uhi ke KUMI HA'ATAUA TOTONU
-koe tapuaki koia, ketau 'ilo ai, "'ae MAHU'INGA " mo UHO oku 'ihe 'Otua 
- KOE TAPUAKI kOIA KOE " A'U " kihe kau Angahala.

KauTangata, ko'etau Potalanoa Ko'eni kuo a'u ha taha'o ngaue pe fai ha lotu 'aha taha kuo Angahala 'ia, pe hange koho'omou ui, koe kau " Fakasotoma " KUO MOU 'OSI O KIHONAU FALE, 'o HU KIAI 'O FAI HA'A NAU LOTU pe temou 'a'ahi kiai ? 

Mahalo pe oku 'ikai ........

Koe'uhinga 'eku fakatlanoa he kuou Fakatalanoa kiatekinautolu he 'aho kotoa pe,,, Pea oku tangi hoku laumalie kia Sihova, ke fakamolemole'ii au kapau kuou ui e kakai ni koe kau angahala MAKEHE, he koe angahala pe mo au.....

Kau Tasilisili, Fakama'u homou ma'oni'oni 'iatekimoutolu, pea mounofo moia, kae tuku kimautolu moe kakai kuo mou ui koe kau FAKASOTOMA kemau feohi pe, na'a 'iai pe hano 'aonga kemau fiefia fakataha mo kinautolu, ihe mo'ui Faka'aho moe 'ofa-ta'e filifilimanako 'ae Tamai...

Koe ha koaa kuo tau hoholi ai ke Fakatonutonu e lao koe 'uhi koe tau'atina 'ae Kakai ni? na'a oku tau puputu'u pe ko'enau hoholi ke Fakatonutonu e Sino 'o Kalaisi , KAE HILI KOIA KUO TALAMAI HANGA TONU 'EHE TAMA," koe Sino 'o Kalaisi ma'ae kau Angahala .......... ke ha?  ke fakamo'ui, kohai oku ne fai e fakamo'ui ? Sisu pe , Sisu pe,

"Koia oku ne kau ihe 'ete 'apisia, ha'u 'ete vaivai 'o pukepuke, toki kaume'aa Fafale ia, " Sisu pe, Sisu pe "...

kii malolo na'a kuomou ninimo....

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Sami Pakofe

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poupou atu kihe topiki ko'eni, ke fai hano tokonia 'ae to'utangata ko'eni kihe kaha'u,,,,pea  tetau tui e iai e konga faka'ofo'ofa 'enau Fononga ihe kaha'uu..

Kataki pe, pe 'e kau ihe 'etau potalanoa heni, hono 'ave e fanau 'o ako'i Tonga, kuou vakai oku lahilahi emaumau heni koe fanau ne 'ave ki Tonga, pea kuou faka'amau au keu Fanongo tonu ha Ongo matu'a ne tuku 'ena Fanau 'o ako'i meihe kalasi 7 kihe kalasi 12 'i Tonga pea toki fakafoki mai.

Koe 'uhi he oku hange kiate au, oku meimei koe ta'u pe ua ( pau) hono 'ave 'ehe matu'a 'enau fanau pea toe fakafoki mai,,, koe fo'i taimi faingta'a ia, ka kuou faka'amu 'e au na'e 'iai ha taha 'e 'ave ki Tonga 'o nofo ai 'o sivi ihe ngaahi sivi 'a Tonga pea toki foki mai..

koe vakai pe;

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malo... ko e 'osi eni e fo'i tapaka tonga peau hu mai 'o fanongo ki sihono tukuaki'i aipe acc ko e kau ta'e'ofa, ko e kau ilifia mo puputu'u, ko e kau taakatu'a, etc, etc. koeha kuo pehe ai 'etau me'a ke mou talanoa 'i he 'ofa ka mou hanga mai moutolu 'o taufale'i fkmatoato e acc? hhhhhhhhh. ko e usuusu pe

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Ko e ACC óku í he lolotonga memipa kakato he UCA, ó nau kei Presbytery fakataha pe mo kianutolu óku íkai ACC, óku nau Synod Fakataha pe mo kinautolu óku íkai ACC, pea óku nau ke I í eh Assembly Fakataha pe mo kinautolu óku íkai ACC, í he UCA.

Ko e Assembly of Confessing Congregation with in the Uniting Church(ACC)-  Ko e fakatonutonu atu pe ki he ng maú hala ó pehe óku hu ki tuá. Óku íkai ke u laveí pe ko e ha óku kakalavaía ai he feinga ke taófi e kovi ,,

Ko e Kaveinga ó e tepile ni, ko kinautolu ko eni ACC mo e ng Kulupu kuo ú ósi'fokotuú atu, ko kinautolu ia óku nau fakaha ki he UCA í loto , óku hala hono teuteu ke fakaátaa e kau Fakatoma ke tapuakií he loto  Siasi..

Ka óku íai haó fakaíkai , pea ke talamai hono lelei ó e totonu ke fakaátaa e Fakasotoma ka e fakapapauí pe ko e lelei mei he tafaáki fe ..Ne u ósi Fokotu atu e Politikale , Tukufakaholo mo e lotu Kalisitiane.. Ka óku ke fakaío pea ke fai e meá tatau.

Mo u foki mai ki he tepile, étau kaveinga ó talanoa ai pea ái ke tonu e tukuakií, he ko e tolalo áe tukuakií é kei sai pe ACC , ka óku ne fakaha éia e tolalo  e tokotaha óku  talanoa maii ki he kaveinga.

Takamuli




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Na'e to e fili ai pe 'a Rev Dr Hedley Fihaki ko e Sea Fakafonua ia 'o e Kulupu fakalelei lotu ko eni he loto UCA, 'oku 'iloa ko e ACC.

Ko e Majority 'o e Kulupu ko eni ko e kau Palangi 'oku meimei ko e peseti 'e 99.9% ko e kau Palangi ia. Na' e fakahoko 'ae Konifelenisi
Fakafonua 'ae Kulupu ni ki Adelaide mei he 'aho Monite 14- ki he 'aho Pulelulu 16 Sept 2015.

Na'e fofoa'i ai ke fokotu'u ha 'apiako ke teu'i ai 'ae to'utupu pehe foki ki he kau Faifekau mo e kakai 'o e Siasi UCA , ke 'fakanaunau e kakai 'oe Siasi 'o
nofoma'u he tefito'i tui 'ae Kalisitiane, pea ko ia 'oku lolotonga 'i he UCA pe ko e Basis of Union, ka kuo nau tukuange kanau mavahe mei ai.

Na'e lahi e ng me'a na'e fiema'u ke liliu , ka 'oku kei taitaimi pe Kulupu ni, he kuo mahino 'aupito 'ae angimui 'ae UCA ia ki he Pule'anga 'i he issue mali fakasotoma.. pea ko e taha 'ae ng lea
'o e kau taki 'o e Kulupu ni mo'enau lipooti he'enau muimui ofi ki he UCA..kapau 'e 'eke mai 'e ha taha , ko e ha e me'a 'oku kei toe he UCA(Assembly)..ko e tali leva..ko 'enau
Agent ko eni 'oku 'iloa ko e UnitingCare, 'oku 'ikai ko e kei to e ha " Faith " (Tui) ia he loto Siasi(Assembly) ki he 'Eiki ko Sisu kalaisi mo e Folofola.

'Oku mahino mei he lipooti fakamatala 'a kinautolu ne kau atu ki he Kulupu Tokateline 'o e mali, ne a'u ki he peseti 'e 85% 'ae kakai ne taliui ange 'oku 'ikai kenau loto ki he Fakasotoma
ka 'i he taimi ne a'u ai ki he Assembly 'ae UCA, 'ikai ke faka'asi ai e ta'eloto 'ae kakai , kanau fokotu'u mai 'enautolu ke toe fai ha lau ki ai 'ae Siasi mei heni ki he 2018.

Kainga , ko e lea 'ae tokotaha ko eni he loto Konifelenisi 'ae ACC, na'a ne pehe , 'oku 'ikai ke kei Kalistiane , pe Tangata e to'onga ko eni , ka k oe to'onga  eni ia 'ae Tevolo na'e liliu 'aki e lipooti ne ma'u 'e he
Kulupu Tokateline nenau fakama'op'opo ke 'ave ki he Assembly ne toki 'osi.

Na'e meimei high light he 'Aho kotoa pe ongo tangata Tonga Faifekau 'oku 'iloa he Kulupu ko eni 'a 'ena ta'eufi he lotolotonga 'oe Assembly mo 'ena fokotu'u ke toe pipiki pe UCA ki he'enau pepa mali he 1997,
mo e 2002 .. ka ne 'ikai to e tokanga ki ai e Assembly 'ae UCA, hange kiate kinaua kuo 'osi malumu'i e Fakasotoma ke fei mo talii..

'Oku 'ikai ke nofo noa 'ae ACC he loto UCA, 'oku na u 'ofa he UCA pea 'oku mahino 'ae 'ikai fie mavae mo e Potungaue 'ae 'Eiki he loto UCA..nau loto pe ke pukepuke kakai ka 'i he tui totonu 'o fakatatau ki he'enau lau mo e Holy Catholic Churches.

'Oku te'eki ke ha mei he Kulupu ni ha fakakaukau ke mavahe mei he UCA, ka ko e me'a faka'osi taha ia..lolotonga ko ia 'oku 'ikai tuku e mavahe 'ae kakai mei he UCA, mavaevaeua pe kakai 'i loto hange ko eni 'oku mau 'iai
mo e ng Kulupu kehe pe he loto Siasi , ka 'oku 'ikai pe fanongo mai e kau taki.

Ko e Malie taha ko e ma'opo'opo hono fili e kakai ke taki he loto UCA kamata mei he Presbytery Synod a'u ki he Assembly..mou manatu'i ko e fu'u ngaue'anga ko eni ko e UCA 'oku gaue ai mo e kakai ia 'oku 'ikai tui ki he Folofola mo Sisu kalaisi..

Kuo u 'osi tali 'e au ko e Factory 'ae UCA, 'oku 'iai e kau Kalisitiane , 'iai e fakasotoma mo e kau faka'otuamate , 'iai moe kau ngaue pa'anga pe..

Na'e fehu'i mai 'e he tokotaha ka au pe ko e ha ha'aku fakakaukau ki he kaha'u , kuo u talaange..toe pe step 'e taha pea u toki lotu pe ki he Sutt ki Tonga..kau nofo pe homau 'api 'o lotu famili pe ai.

Sami0602

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'Ahau, na'aku siosio pe, ka kapau tekevakai, ne tukuakii ehe ACC kuo ikai Kei muimui ae Uniting he fkhinohino ae Tohitapu, pea pehe ehe tokolahi ihe tasilisili " kapau ne lea koaa mo poupou mai e Kau Faifekau Tonga he Uniting kihe feinga e ngali fefeka hono poupou'i.

'Ahau,  kuo lea mai e kau faifekau meihe feitu'u kehekehe o tukuakii kuo ikai Muimui e Uniting kihe Tohitapu.

Koe kii taukave fk-tu'a pe ia 'a'aku, ka kuou Fakatou toka'i e Ongo Tafa'aki mo'enau mamahii e Sino o Kalaisi.

Pea mei ai, koe fkkaukau fktu'a , na'e totonu ke 'oua tenau mavahe (ACC), ka nau nofo pe i loto o fk'itumauku hifo.

Koe mavahe koee o tuhu mai,, te'eki keu fanogo oku iai ha lea mai ar Uniting kihe ACC, 

'Ahau, koe 'uhinga ia eku fktakamilo, oku ikai koe "kee" pe koe fkfekiki, koe potalanoa pe,,,kapau kuo mou ninimo, mahalo oku ninimo pehe pe moe sii Kau faifekau Tonga oku nau fkkaungatamaki he UCA, ka oku ikai ke nau lea mai,   hhhhhhh



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malo... ko e 'osi eni e fo'i tapaka tonga peau hu mai 'o fanongo ki sihono tukuaki'i aipe acc ko e kau ta'e'ofa, ko e kau ilifia mo puputu'u, ko e kau taakatu'a, etc, etc. koeha kuo pehe ai 'etau me'a ke mou talanoa 'i he 'ofa ka mou hanga mai moutolu 'o taufale'i fkmatoato e acc? hhhhhhhhh. ko e usuusu pe

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Fakamolemole atu kau tangata kiate au mo 'eku taukave maa'ulalo koe fifili pe kihe fefusiaki 'ae ngaahi mafai fakaenatula moe hohoi 'ae tangata lotu ke fakatonua mai he'e fa'unga 'ae faka'anaua.

Koe folofola 'a Sisu KOE HELE 'AE UHO 'OE HOLI 'OKU TATAU MO HOTO FAKAPOONGI. Ko 'ene kole ke tau foki kihe tefito (whatever your interpretation will be in your own version) 'o fai mei ai e fakalelei.He koe fakapoongi = ta'aki mo hono aka 'o hange koe foki kihe kolosi kae fai ha mo'ui. He na'e 'iai e lave 'a Rev.Sisilia 'a kihe band aid 'oku tau feinga ke fai. If we disposition our entire sanctification in physical life can we change the course of nature to abide to our demand?

Sami na'e 'iai ha matapule na'e fakaleiti 'i Tonga ne faiako pea 'ikai matukutuku 'ene fakaleiti pea ha'u ki mulini ne fo'i hono ngaahi'i tokua koe tupu'i faifekau pea toe hu 'o feinga ako kihe va'a 'oe mo'ui fekau'aki moe palopalema ni..Na'e iku 'o ma'u uaifi pea fanau'i 'ene tokoua.Tangata mo fefine na'a ma talanoa fakamuimui na'a ne pehe koe lava eni e ta'u 'e tahafa 'ene mali kuo tahatolu hono foha but still fighting that female inside the body of a male. Na'e hili ha ngaahi mahina mei ai kuo 'ikai kene kei lava pea ne to'o 'ene mo'ui.

Sami mo'oni 'aupito fakatalanoa ia Kuo tau kalanga pe he lotohala. Kae 'ikai a'u kiai you will be amazed kihe faingata'a 'oku nau fenuki mo ia. Tau toki fatu a mei ai 'etau fakalelei lotu.

Sorry atu Samu Ngali extreme pe kohi ia ka koe 'uhinga ia koe maumau taimi atu.

Malo,
Kolo.

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Tupu mei he fakasiosiokehe 'a e Assembly 'ae UCA ki he fokotu'u ke uphold ki he Pepa mali 'oe 1997 ,2002.. 'Oku teuteu ai ke to e 'oatu ha tohi mei he ACC 'oku fakaha 'a e 'ikai kemau  loto ki he'enau  to e tuku mai ki he kakai e mali he ko e ngaue ko ia ne 'osi tuku mai he ta'u 'e 3 kuo hili pea mahino ai ko e peseti 'e 85 ne tali 'ikai , ..Ko e kole kainga Tonga UCA, 'oku taau kemou 'eke ki ho'o mou kau Faifekau 'a e toe tuku mai ko eni,,kapau ne 'ikai 'ave ha'omou lau ki ai ..mo u ngaue ki ai , 'oua 'e tuku ke hoko pea ta toki pehe ko e ha kuo pehe ai e UCA ia ? hili ko ia na'e 'iai pe me'a mo hono taimi ke fai ka na'e 'ikai ketau tokanga ki ai.

Kole fakamaatoato atu he huafa 'oe 'Eiki ko Sisu Kalaisi , mou fakamo'oni ma'a Kalisi 'i ha'omou ngaue ki he me'a te ne 'ave ki heli he kakai 'o e UCA 'i he issue 'o e fakasotoma, 'ikai ko ia pe , ka' e pipihi 'i he ng to'utangata 'o a a'u mai ki hotau ng famili.

Takamuli.

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Si'i kau Faifekau Tonga ..mo u fakamolemole 'alaa ka 'oatu e tu'tu'uni ki ho'omou ng fai'angalotu pea kemou tokoni 'o fakatatau ki he mo'oni 'oku kovi e Fakasotoma 'o hange pe ko ia kuo mo u tataki kimautolu ki aii, pea 'ave ki he kakai kenau 'ilo.

Manatu'i ko e pepa na'e 'uluaki tufa atu, ko e tufa atu pe ke fai ha'omou lau ki ai vaha'a ta'u fakakonifeleniei kuo toki 'osi ni....ka 'o kapau 'e tufa atu e pepa ko eni ko e me'a tatau..pea 'oku ou fokotu'u atu kemou fokotu'u ki ai 'ae lau 'a Tohitapu fakataha mo ha'omou lau.

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Ke i hoko pe 'Eiki ko Sisu Kalaisi 'o  Tu'ulotoloto  he taukave, he'ikai fa'a ngaue 'ae ACC 'o ka mavae mo e 'Eiki ko Sisu Kalaisi pehe ki he Folofola 'a e 'Otua..

'I he 2012 ne katoanga'i ai 'a e ta'u 200 o e Metotisi 'i Aositelelia ni, pea 'oku ta u fakamo'oni 'i he lea mo e ngaue ko hotau Fakama'oni'oni ne fai he ta'ata'a 'o Sisu Kalisi.


Na'e tu'ultoloto he katoanga ko ia 'ae 'ae fakama'oni'oni 'oku fou mei he Tui ki he 'Eiki ko Sisu Kalaisi , ko ia ai pe 'a e taukave 'ae ACC , ke pukepuke 'aki e UCA, Siasi 'oku tau 'ofa mo nofo ai.

Takamuli

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Malo Takamuli mahino lelei, Ta oku ikai kemou mavahe meihe UCA,,,oku mou iloto pe ai,,,

Koemali ihe fonua ni, oku fa'u hono Lao ehe Commonwealth, pea tuku atu ia kihe Siasi moe kakai kuo fkmafai'i (authorised) ehe Pule'anga..oku ikai ngofua ke liliu ia eha toe taha.

Koe konga pe oku kehekehe, koe faka'apa'apa 'ae Lao, ke Fai ae wedding ceremony ehe Siasi o fktatau kihe tu'utu'uni moe Tokateline ae Siasi Takitaha koe Toenga kuopau kenau muimui kihe Marriage act,

Koia, kapau ne toe iai ha liliu, kimui ni mai, ka oku Kei tu'uma'u pe ae Lao kihe Mali.

Ka faifaiange kuo tali e Mali faitatau pea kuopau ke iai e liliu ihe Lao, ka he'ikai koha liliu lahi.

'Oku ikai teu poupou kihe Mali faitatau, kuou poupou kihe taki taha fili kihe 'ehe tau'ataina, pe koe Gay pe Les, ka oku ikai teu poupou kihe Mali.

Koe Lao, marriage means the  union of a man and a woman,,,koia ka liliu e kiii lahi, fekau'aki moe kupu'i Lao ko'ena,,

Koia ihe tukunga koia ka tali ehe pule'anga neongo eku ta'e loto kiai, kuopau keu tali ia, fktatau kihe ngaue pea mo hono ouau.
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Tupu mei he fakasiosiokehe 'a e Assembly 'ae UCA ki he fokotu'u ke uphold ki he Pepa mali 'oe 1997 ,2002.. 'Oku teuteu ai ke to e 'oatu ha tohi mei he ACC 'oku fakaha 'a e 'ikai kemau  loto ki he'enau  to e tuku mai ki he kakai e mali he ko e ngaue ko ia ne 'osi tuku mai he ta'u 'e 3 kuo hili pea mahino ai ko e peseti 'e 85 ne tali 'ikai , ..Ko e kole kainga Tonga UCA, 'oku taau kemou 'eke ki ho'o mou kau Faifekau 'a e toe tuku mai ko eni,,kapau ne 'ikai 'ave ha'omou lau ki ai ..mo u ngaue ki ai , 'oua 'e tuku ke hoko pea ta toki pehe ko e ha kuo pehe ai e UCA ia ? hili ko ia na'e 'iai pe me'a mo hono taimi ke fai ka na'e 'ikai ketau tokanga ki ai.

Kole fakamaatoato atu he huafa 'oe 'Eiki ko Sisu Kalaisi , mou fakamo'oni ma'a Kalisi 'i ha'omou ngaue ki he me'a te ne 'ave ki heli he kakai 'o e UCA 'i he issue 'o e fakasotoma, 'ikai ko ia pe , ka' e pipihi 'i he ng to'utangata 'o a a'u mai ki hotau ng famili.

Takamuli.






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Sami 'oku faikehe pe hotau mamani 'o tautolu ..lolotonga 'ae kei puketu'u e Mali 'ehe Pule'anga mo e UCA te'eki ke liliu ..kuo 'osi tapuaki'i e ongo fefine Faifekau Lesibians ia he 2010 'i he UCA 'aki 'enau liturgy pe( netau 'osi laaulea ki ai) ne na nonofo fakasotoma he ta'u 'e 14 mai ki he 2010.. ko e me'a lahi ia ne feinga e kau GayLes he loto Siasi.. ka 'oku tuai e Pule'anga pea 'ai pe tapuaki'i pe kinautolu he UCA, ko ia ko e lao he mui'i maea ko ee ko malakilao he mu'iimaea 'e taha.

Malo ia faifai pea mahino ko e fetakai ko eni he loto UCA.

have a good break.

Takamuli



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Malo Takamuli. 'Oku ou fiefia hono fili 'a e taha 'o kitautolu ke taki he ACC, kae 'oua na'a mole 'a e fakakaukau pe ko e ha 'oku 'ikai laka mai ai ha tangata/fefine palangi ke taki pe kaungaa-taki. 

'Oku faka'ofo'ofa 'aupito pe mo tau falala ki he'emau Dr mei Nukunuku, ka 'oku tau fakatauange pe he'ikai li'aki 'ehe 99% ko'ena 'oku ke lauu ka ke nau kei poupou aipe he taimi kotoa pe., pea 'oua na'a nau teke mu'a ia ha taimi ka nau toi mei mui pe tafa'aki., pea 'oua 'e li'aki leva 'a e ngaahi vaka pe katea na'a tau heka mai ai. 

Sai koe kuo ke hopo meihe vaka 'e taha 'o toe ma'u pe 'a e vaka 'e taha pea hange 'oku ke ongo'i malu mo hao mo fiemalie ai. Ka 'e fefee 'a e fu'u kakai na'a mou vaka taha mai? 

Matamata kuo mahino he'ikai ha ma'opo'opo ia pe faaitaha ki ha vaka 'o hange ko ho'o faka'amu. 'Oku ke to'o Tohitapu atu, pea toe to'o Tohitapu mai pe mo e kakai ko ee. Ko e fifili pe Takamuli.

Tevita M. Finau
North Shore Methodist Tongan Congregation,
137 Queen St.,
Northcote Point,
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New Zealand.
Tel (649) 4800846; M (64) 211501970; F (649) 4800845

Synod Superintendent, Vahefonua Tonga, 409 Great South Rd., Penrose. Tel 649 5719157
 

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Malo Tevita.

Ko e fuofua taki mo loloa taha ne toki liliu he ta'u kuo 'osi , ka ko e tangata ia ne kau he Tokateline 'ae Siasi ko Dr Max Champion,lava ia hono ta'u 'e 10 ka e tokoni pe ki ai ho Tehina Faifekau , A Hedley.. To e fili 'ehe ACC e Faifekau Palangi ko Shane he ta'u kuo 'osi  ka e tokoni pe 'a Hedley, ka ne te'eki ke lava ha ta'u kuo step down 'a Shane 'i he'ene ng femo'uekina pe..ne fokotu'u leva 'e he Kosilio Pule 'a Rev Dr Hedley Fihaki ko e National Chair ia ka e tokoni ki ai 'e ku Faifekau ko Rev Ian Weeks, a'umai ki he Konifelenisi 'o e ta'u ni pea Fili ai pe ke ne hoko ko e Sea, ka e tokoni pe 'a Rev Ian Weeks.

Ko e mo'oni  ange 'e ku fiefia  Tevita, ne tupu pe 'eku hiki mai ki heni koe'uhi ke fakaa'u atu ai hoku le'o ki he Assembly 'i he issue 'o e fakasotoma , ne lahi pe hono tatapuni talu pe mei he TNC ko 'emau Presbytery pea fefe ha ne a'u ki he Synod mo e Assembly ? Ko e talanoa 'oku fai 'e he ACC he 'aho ni, ko e talanoa hangatonu ki he Assembly 'a e UCA, taimi tatau 'oku 'ikai kenau fie fanongo mai , ka 'oku 'ikai tuku ai... ne 'osi lahi 'aupito 'e ku lave ki hono ta'ota'ofi hano to e lea pe malanga 'aki hono kovi 'o e Fakasotoma 'e he kau Faifekau ni'ihi he CUA ,,ne iku ai 'o ta'ofi mo Sitiveni Faupula haa'ne to e malanga ki he kau Palangi , fakafeta'i 'oku fakaava mai pe faingamalie ke ne ngaue mo e to'utupu palangi mo e fanau Tonga homau tuliki ni.

Ko e mo'oni 'aupito he'ikai fai ha ma'opo'opo, ka 'oku ke i feinga e ng Kulupu ne u 'osi fokotu' u atu na'anau lava 'o ngaue fakataha pe tu'u fakataha ke kei pukepuke 'ae tefito'i tui lolotonga mo e tokateline 'oe mali 'i he UCA.


'Oku 'osi fakamo'oni 'e he UCA 'oku hala 'ae fakasotoma, ka 'oku nau  pehe pe tenau fakatau'ataina e kakai 'i hono fakangofua,,fkmolemole atu 'oku 'ikai ha tohitapu tenau to'o holo he issue ko eni, 'Oku hala 'a e fakasotoma.

'ofa atu.

Takamuli.



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Malo Fkongo. 'Oku 'ikai hano kovi e lea fktokanga 'a e ACC ki he UCA 'i hono tukuange 'e he Assembly 'a e UCA ke ngofua e faifekau ha tokotaha 'oku fihia 'ene mo'ui 'i he nonofo fk-sotoma. Malo

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'Io Kolo mo Fkongo na'e 'i ai e tokotaha heni he youth na'a ku 'i ai he kau palangi ko 'ene fa'e ko e lesbian pea toe influence aipe mo 'ene mo'ui 'e he 'ataakai na'e tupuhake ai. Ko e faingata'a lahi na'e fekuki mo e tokotaha ni ke ne mahino'i mo tali e 'ofa 'a e 'Otua fktaha mo e fkmaau 'a e 'Otua. Kaekehe, 'i he'eku fa'a talanoa mo e tokotaha ni ko e kongalahi 'ene kei fie ha'u 'ana ki he youth, ko 'ene 'ilo'i 'oku tutuki loua e 'Ofa mo e Fkmaau 'a e 'Otua ki he Kolosi 'o Kalaisi. Kaekehe, ongo tokoua mo fai atu ha tokoni ki he kakai koena 'oku mo talanoa ki ai na'a tau tukunoa'i pe ka taa ko ee ko e mate ia 'oku nau lolotonga fkkaukau'i. Malo

Lopiseni Fungalei

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Sami fefe e kii famili Tonga ko ena 'i Lakemba, fakakau atu 'i homou ngaahi houa lotu saipe ko Pesi ena pehe kihe famili Fisi na e hoko ai e pekia..hufaki aipe.


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Sami, Mahalo 'e tokoni ke ke ha'u ke ta talanoa kau tuku atu 'a e fakaikiiki 'o e UCA talu mei he kamata'anga. Neu lele mai au he 60 tupu toki fokotu'u e UCA 1977 pea fai mai e fononga 'ou sio tonu he mamahi 'a e kau tangata'eiki - Gribble, Alan Walker, Peter Davis mo e toenga
he'enau fakatokanga'i kuo kamata he hehema e kau taki e UCA mei he Basis of Union. Ko e talanoa koeni mo e ongo'i 'a e manatu 'ofa ki he fofonga 'o e ng. tamai faka-laumalie na'a
nau ngaue'i 'a e UCA. Pea fa'a folau mai foki 'a Rev. Setareki Tu'ilovoni, Lalomilo mo S.A.Havea ki he ng. fakataha 'o nau talanoa kau ta'utu pe 'o fanongo. Pea ko 'enau fale'i pe ia mou nofo pe 'i loto 'o lotu mo fakaha homou loto ke nau 'ilo'i.
 
Taimi na'e sea ai 'a Siupeli Taliai he TNC na'a ne fai e tohitangi 'o mau fakamo'oni ai 'a e ta'eloto 'a e kakai 'o e TNC ki he fakangofua 'a e kau nonofo fakasotoma ke nau faifekau.
Me'apango ne 'ikai ke 'ave 'a e tohitangi koia ke a'u ki he Synod 'a NSW. Fai e tohi 'i Sune fai e Synod 'i Sepitema. 'Alu atu au ki he Synod mo e fefine faifekau palangi 'o lea he issue 'o e fakasotoma. Pea 'ita ai e kau pa4 ia 'o e Synod. Neu 'osi lave ki he me'a koeni kimu'a atu. Kaekehe na'e mahino mai ai na'e toki 'ave pe tohitangi he uike koia na'a ma o atu ai ki he ofisi 'o e Synod. Pea 'ikai toe lava e kau pa4 'o e Sydnod 'o lea mai kia au he na'a ku 'alu atu
au mo e ng. tatau kotoape 'o e 'u tohi. Ko hono 'uhinga ia 'o e fa'a lave atu ki he kau faifekau
Tonga he UCA. Ka mou kataki pe he ko e 'a'alonga pe ka 'e ha kotoa pe 'amui.  'Io 'oku puli e 'amui ko e 'ofa 'a e 'Otua.
 
Fatai 

 

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Lopi

Fakamolemole oku ‘ikai temau toe lotua ha me’a kehe…ko e fakasotoma pe…hhhhh.

Fefe kemou Lotu Fakalelei mai moutolu, ka mau Fakalelei Lotu mautolu…’ioooo.

Malo e manatua e si’I ongo family ni, pea malo moe lotu.

 

Muela.

Sami Pakofe

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Malo Lomipeau,  koe mo'oni kuopau keu 'a'ahi kihe Famili Tonga, ka oku te'eki ke maau e feitu'u 'e 'ave ia kiai, kau toki vakai kiai, ke fai pe ha'ama lotu neongo e vaivai ... koe tu'u he taimi ni, mahalo 'e leleiange pe ke fai ha lotu, kae tukuange ke maau e ngaue 'ae kau Polisi .. Kae malo e Fakatokanga mai..

malo.

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Sami Pakofe

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Fatai malo 'etau lava, pea ke kataki pe he fakahelehleu holo he 'paenga ni, ka oku fakafiefia ta koe ACC oku i loto pe,,, 

Koe taha 'e me'a malie kiate au teu manatu fuolia kiai........... Ta koee ne lahilahi e faingata'a ihe loto Siasi,kimu'a,  ka kohono malie " na'e ikai teke huu kitu'a " na'ake nofo pe 'i loto 'o fai ai hono LOtua e Ngaahi Fakaevaha...

Fatai Ofa atu kia Koe,  he ta-sipinga lelei -  kihe 'emau fakafekake'i he fononga'anga ni.. pango pe koe 'ikai ha'aku taimi keu muimui atu 'ia Koe, hei'ilo teu mataa ai 'ae Fa'ahinga KATAKI oku ke ma'u, koe 'uhi koho'o to'oto'o meihe Kau matu'a 'oe Lotu mei mu'a....

Malo e talatalifale malie, pea kuou tui koia 'ae " FETU'U -TAKI " kihe 'etau fononga, koe pau ke ma'u 'ae " KATAKI " o fakama'uhifo 'iloto , koe " FETU'U - TAKI ia, pea hange koho'o Fakamatala, na'e mahino na'e ikai teke lau ha mole 'ho taimi iho'o muimui'i e TALATALAIFALE 'ae Kau Faifekau i mu'a.....

Fatai, hange koe lau 'ae Fakamatala ,,, oku ke pehe pe tofu pe, oku ke "poto" , potoa'usia, pea ke toe matala, 'o mateuteu ke FAKAMATALA kohotau Talatalaifale'anga..

poupou atu.

sami.

Tevita Finau

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Malo Takamuli pea malie e ongoongo pea talamonuu atu ki he Sea mo Toumoehuni. 'Oku mahino pe 'oku fu'u kehekehe 'aupito 'a e me'a 'oku takitaha fakamamafa'i lahi ange 'ehe Assembly hena meihe UCA, pea pehee pe ki he Knoifelenisi (MCNZ) heni mo e Vahefonua pe Sinoti Tonga.

Kae hange kiate au 'oku fakahilihili'i 'a e TNC hena pea 'ikai ke hoko ia ko e katea ke mou loto taha ke mou ma'opo'opo kiai neongo 'a e ngaahi tokehekehe 'i he tui he taimi 'e ni'ihi. 

Kataki ange Takamuli 'o ki'i fakama'ala'ala mai pe ko e ha koaa 'a e tu'unga 'o e TNC na'e lave kiai 'a Fatai. Ko e vakai pe he 'oku ou tui pe te mou lava 'o tokoni mai kiate kimautolu heni he'emau ngaahi polokalama ngaue lahi mo kehekehe ki he ngaahi famili, faanau mo e to'utupuu. 

Malo te u ki'i 'alu fano mo JHavea toki foki mai 'o ta'alo atu hili ha ngaahi uike. 'Ofa atu,

       

Tevita M. Finau
North Shore Methodist Tongan Congregation,
137 Queen St.,
Northcote Point,
North Shore 0627,
New Zealand.
Tel (649) 4800846; M (64) 211501970; F (649) 4800845

Synod Superintendent, Vahefonua Tonga, 409 Great South Rd., Penrose. Tel 649 5719157
 

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Lomipeau..malo 'etau ma'u e 'aho ni, te'eki ke u ma'u ki he ki he famili 'oku ke  kole lotu ki ai..ma u fu'u tomui 'aupito mei 'uta ni..

'ofa atu.

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Sami fefe e kii famili Tonga ko ena 'i Lakemba, fakakau atu 'i homou ngaahi houa lotu saipe ko Pesi ena pehe kihe famili Fisi na e hoko ai e pekia..hufaki aipe.

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Ko e TNC heni Tevita , ko e toki feohi fakafiefia mo'oni 'o fekau'aki mo e polokalama 'a e To'utupu he 'oku fakatahataha mai ki ai e kakai Tonga kotoa pe 'o e UCA 'i 'Aositelelia ni.

'Oku 'iai pe taukei ai 'a Jh he na'e fa'a fakaafe'i ke ne fakalele e akotohitapu mo e ng me'a kehe pe ai he 'ene ke i heni.. Kuo u Tevita 'e lelei ke 'iai ha 'o fo'i malolo mai he Queens Bday 'i Sune 'o sio he ko e ta'u eni 'e Ua 'eku mavahe mei ai, fakataha pe ko 'eku fanau 'aku kuo na u lalahi nautolu ke to e kau he fa'ahinga feohi pehe he TNC , pea kuo fakapipiko ai pe to e ma'u TNC ia.

Ka 'oku 'iai ha me'a 'oku te tokanga ke liliu he Siasi fou kita hoto fai'angalotu ki he Presbytery pea mei toki ai ki he Synod kihe Assembly..'Oku 'ikai lava ha liliu me'a ia he TNC..ko e fo'i feohi pe ia ne fokotu'u 'e he UCA ke fefaka'ai'ai'aki ai e feohi 'ae kau Tonga pea 'oku 'iai mo e feohi pehe 'aeng matakali he loto UCA.

Ko e "issue fakasotoma malo mo Fatai ia he me'a na'e lave ki ai kene fakaha ki he TNC kenau 'ilo'i..ka ko e tohi 'oku 'ave mei he TNC ko e fakaha le'o pe..ka  ko e telinga fanonogo 'o e UCA 'oku 'i he ng Fai'angalotu ia mo hono 'alunga ne u lave ki ai 'i 'olunga.

Ne u ki'i ongo'i faingata'a'ia pe au he kau faifekau 'ae TNC he'eku fa'a kole ke tokoni mai , ta ko ee tenau tokoni pe ka e toki tali pe ke 'alu atu ha Faifekau  hhh, hange ko ia ne toki 'osi nenau tali ai ke 'ave ha tohi 'o fakahale'o ki he Assembly..

Ko'eku talanoa atu eni he'eku 'ilo'i e TNC mei he1989  'o fai mai ki he 2012..kapau kuo liliu ha me'a mei he me'a kuo u lave ki ai, sai he 'oku tokolahi pe heni e kau TNC ke fakatonutonu mai. Lahi e talanoa ia ki ho ng tokoua faifekau 'oku oo ki he Assembly ka ko e fakatupu 'ita atu mo e fakatuputa'e'ofa , ka e sai ke tuku pe ia ma'aku ke u lotu mo  sio holo 'aki kanautolu.

He'ikai to e ma'u ha Siupeli Taliai ia he TNC, pea ko e mole lahi ia ki he kakai Tonga he fonua ni.

Takamuli.






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Takamuli, mahalo kuo mou fakatokanga’I ‘eni.

Ne talu e fokotu’u he ta’u ‘e 10 tupu kuo hili, ‘o mau mavahe koe Fai’anga Lotu Tonga he District Bankstown, ‘I he taki lelei ‘emau Sec…. pea ‘omai ai moe ‘api siasi ‘I Sefton kemau tokanga’I mo ngaue’aki… pea mo ‘emau faka’ehi’ehi ke kau ki ha fa’ahinga me’a pe ‘oku faka’osi ‘’C’’….pea ‘oku mau kei tauhi mai ia, ‘o ‘ikai kau he ABC,BBC,ACC,KFC,TNC,CCC…hhhh.

Koe C (see) pe kia Sisu, ‘oku mau poupou’i...’o mau toki Ueuesiliana aipe kimautolu mo ‘’see’’ pe kia TAMA..’ouaa.

Fu’u lahi e ngaahi ‘’C’’, and I’m convinced kuo lotu e tokolahi to those ‘’Cs’’ kae li’ekina e ‘’G”(God).

Koe sio fakatauhele moa pe meihe loto vao.

 

100 doors.

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Malo Matapa100.

Fakafiefia e fanongo atu ki homou potungoue, 'oku 'ikai ha me'a fo'ou ia ai kiate au..me'a tatau pe ia 'oku fai 'e he ng fai'angalotu...ko e me'a tatau pe ia 'oku fai heni ..ko hono malanga'i ai pe 'Eiki ko Sisu Kalaisi ke tui ki ai e kakaii 'o fakatatau ki he anga 'o Kalaisi.

Ko e me'a 'e fo'ou ko ha taha kuo ne fakapapau 'i hono loto kuo tui ki he 'Eiki ko Sisu Kalaisi, 'o ha mei he'ene mo'ui 'ae fanau'i fo'ou taau ketau fakafeta'i ai ki he 'Otua..'i ho'o convinced  he'ikai veipa taha ia ai mo Koe, ka 'oku 'ikai ke pehe kiate kinautolu 'oku nau oo 'o fai 'a e ngaue fakamisinale, 'evangeliooo mo e ng Kulupu Fakalelei lotu, 'oku nau oo 'i he Huafa 'o Sisu Kalaisi, pea na'a mo homou Fai'angalotu ..ko ho'omou me'a 'oku malanga'i ke tuku e fai kovi..ke tuku e ha a mo e haa he na'e pehe mo pehe 'e Sisu tafoki 'o tui ki a Sisu mo e Kosipeli..ko e ha leva ai ha'atau kehekehe ?

Ko e ACC, ne u 'osi fokotu'u atu Ko Sisu 'ae Hala Mo'oni mo e Mo'ui kiate kinautolu, 'oku ou tui 'oku tau fakakautaha kotoa ai.

Takamuli.


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Tupu mei he fakasiosiokehe 'a e Assembly 'ae UCA ki he fokotu'u ke uphold ki he Pepa mali 'oe 1997 ,2002.. 'Oku teuteu ai ke to e 'oatu ha tohi mei he ACC 'oku fakaha 'a e 'ikai kemau  loto ki he'enau  to e tuku mai ki he kakai e mali he ko e ngaue ko ia ne 'osi tuku mai he ta'u 'e 3 kuo hili pea mahino ai ko e peseti 'e 85 ne tali 'ikai , ..Ko e kole kainga Tonga UCA, 'oku taau kemou 'eke ki ho'o mou kau Faifekau 'a e toe tuku mai ko eni,,kapau ne 'ikai 'ave ha'omou lau ki ai ..mo u ngaue ki ai , 'oua 'e tuku ke hoko pea ta toki pehe ko e ha kuo pehe ai e UCA ia ? hili ko ia na'e 'iai pe me'a mo hono taimi ke fai ka na'e 'ikai ketau tokanga ki ai.

Kole fakamaatoato atu he huafa 'oe 'Eiki ko Sisu Kalaisi , mou fakamo'oni ma'a Kalisi 'i ha'omou ngaue ki he me'a te ne 'ave ki heli he kakai 'o e UCA 'i he issue 'o e fakasotoma, 'ikai ko ia pe , ka' e pipihi 'i he ng to'utangata 'o a a'u mai ki hotau ng famili.

Takamuli.


 

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Saulisi Mafileo

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… pea mo ‘emau faka’ehi’ehi ke kau ki ha fa’ahinga me’a pe ‘oku faka’osi ‘’C’’….pea ‘oku mau kei tauhi mai ia, ‘o ‘ikai kau he ABC,BBC,ACC,KFC,TNC,CCC…hhhh.
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'Osi taimi ke 'oange ha fu'u ipu fonu 'a 100 doors. mhk

sikei

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Hoko atu pe talanoa..ko e me'a lelei pe ke mou mea'i  'ae ACC, pea mo e kole lotu ai pe mei homou ng feitu'u.

'Oku 'ikai ha me'a fo'ou , ka kuo hanga 'e he 'Eiki 'o ue'i e loto 'o e ACC kenau tu'u 'o lea mo fakaha ki he Siasi 'oku hala 'ae to'onga mo'ui Fakasotoma hange tofu pe ko e hala ka faka'ataa ke kaiha'a mo e fe'auaki pe loi mo e taaufehi'a , pe feta'aki mo fuhu 'ae Siasi.

Ko e me'a 'oku fakahoko 'e he ACC ke tokoni'i Koe ?

'Oku tataki 'e he ACC e ng fakataha mo e me'a ke fai mo e Semina  ke tokoni ki he :

* tupulaki 'i he tui mo longomo'ui 'i he fa'a Lotu, Hu mo e Feohi.

*Fe'inasi'aki 'i he tui mo taliui ki he ng current issues 'i he Siasi mo Mamani foki.

*Fakalalaka e ng Fai'angalotu 'i he  ivi'ia mo e mo'ui 'o e  Ongoongo lelei.

*  a'usia e Folofola 'ae 'Otua 'oku ngaue mai ke fakamo'ui 'ae ng mo'ui kuo makafokafo mo fakalelei e ng Vaha'angatae.

Takamuli

Sami Pakofe

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Malo Takamuli ,, tuku keu toe huu atu pe he oku 'iai pe me'a oku ikai mahino lelei;;;

 Koe Fakalelei iho'o fakamatala , koe'uhi koe " Fakakaukau 'e Kau Fakalelei kuo 'ikai kei muimui 'ae UCA kihe Tohitapu..

 Fakamolemole , pe oku tonu 'eku ma'u fekaua'ki moho'o mou laaulea mai  kihe topiki ni :    

"OKU MOU FAKAKALASI E ANGAHALA , KOE MA'OLUNGA TAHA KOE " GAY & LESBIAN.. KOE ANGAHALA IA NE 'UHINGA AI HO'OMOU MAVAHE :

1. OKU IKAI TEMOU TALI KENAU MALANGA.
2.'OKU IKAI TEMOU TALI KE FAKANOFO FAIFEKAU KINAUTOLU.
3.'OKU 'IKAI TEMOUTALI KE NAU MALI ( FAITATAU/SAMESEX marriage).
4. 'OKU IKAI TEMOU LOTO KIHE 'ENAU FILITAU'ATINA KIHE ME'A OKU NAU MANAKO KIAI.

 Kapau koe ange e ho'omou fokotu'u Fakalelei, pea oku malie,' oku ikai ha'aku kau ai, koe me'a pe oku ou loto keu fakahaa 'e au, teu/kuou tali 'e au e 1, 2, 4. - KOE MALI PE OKU IKAI TEU LOTO KIAI, he koe me'a ia 'ae Pule'anga.

Koe 1,2, 4 ... koe me'a ia 'ae "TANGATA/FEFINE moe 'OTUA ..,'AIA 'oku 'iai 'eku me'a ia ( koe tali he oku nau fiefia kiai) moe me'a 'ae Otua, ( ken toki fai e fakamaau totonu mohono fakamavahevahe)..

mou kataki pe koe tu'u ia 'ae tuliki ko'eni :::: Kuo pau keu Tali 'ae me'a oku fiefia kiai 'ae matakalai ni, pea kanau ka ha'u koe faiako fakalotu, tuku pe kenau omai... Koe 'uhi he oku ikai kehekehe 'enau FAI-AKO FAKA'ATAMAI , moha'a nau FAI-LOTU MAI ..

koe muimui noa atu pe..

sami.

 

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Loma 6: 1PEA fēfē ai? Te tau pehē koā, Tau nofo‘aki fai angahala, koe‘uhi ke hulu atu ‘a e kelesi? 2 Molekemama‘o! Ko kitaua na‘a ta mate ki he angahala, ‘e fēfē ‘eta kei mo‘ui‘aki ia? 3‘Io, na‘a ‘oku ‘ikai te mou ‘ilo, ‘ilonga kitautolu na‘e papitaiso, ‘o fakahoko ai kia Sīsū Kalaisi, na‘e papitaiso ‘o fakahoko ai ki he‘ene pekia. 4Pea ko e me‘a ‘i hotau papitaiso ki he‘ene pekia, pea tā na‘a tau kaungā telio mo ia; koe‘uhi, hangē na‘e fokotu‘u ‘a Kalaisi mei he pekia ‘e he ‘Afio ‘a e Tamai, pehē ke fai‘aki ‘e kitautolu foki ha mo‘ui ‘oku fo‘ou hono anga.
 
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"OKU MOU FAKAKALASI E ANGAHALA , KOE MA'OLUNGA TAHA KOE " GAY & LESBIAN.. KOE ANGAHALA IA NE 'UHINGA AI HO'OMOU MAVAHE :

 'Oku hala 'ae to'onga mo'ui Fakasotoma hange tofu pe ko e hala ka faka'ataa ke kaiha'a mo e fe'auaki pe loi mo e taaufehi'a , pe feta'aki mo  fuhu 'ae Siasi.

Na'e 'ikai ha lau pehe 'i he ACC pehe ki he UCA he fakalelei lotu ko eni ke pehe 'oku Fakakalsi e angahala 'e he ng Kulu ne u 'osi fokotu'u atu 'oku mau 'i he loto UCA, pea mo au 'oku 'ikai te'eki ke 'iai ha'aku lau pehe, ka 'oku tau tui ko e angahala ko e angahala ia pea ko ng me'a kuo underline atu, ko e fakamahino ia 'oku 'ikai ha angahala 'e lahi pe si'i , ko e 'alu kotoa pe ki heli. Pea 'oku mo'oni fau 'ae 'Ipiseli ki Loma , kuo fu fokotu'u atu 'i 'olunga.

Te'eki hanga 'e he kau kaiha'a 'o fakapiko'i e Siasi 'aki 'enau totonu kenau kaiha'a pea ketau faka'ataa mu'a he 'oku 'iai ha'anua totonu ki ai me'a ia 'oku lahi ai e ng Pilisone ko e kakai ko iaa, te'eki hanga 'e he kau fe'auaki 'o fakapiko'i e Siasi ke ngofua e fe'auaki he 'oku 'iai ha'anau totonu ki he fe'auaki ..Kuo u tui ko e me'a tatau 'e fai 'e he ka u fakalelei lotu kapau ne 'ave hake ha fokotu'u ke ngofua e fe'auaki mo e kaiha'a mo e tamate mo e loi he Siasi pea kenau fokotu'u ha taha kaiha'a pe fe'auaki neongo 'oku hoko pe ia he Siasi ka 'oku 'ikai kenau fakapiko'i e Assemly mo e UCA ke faka'ataa he ko'enau fakafo'ituitui ia..

Ko e fakapiko lahi 'oku fai 'e ka u fakasotoma ki he Siasi, pea kuo aafe ki ai e Siasi kanau li'aki e lau 'a e Tohitapu, ki he mali ko e fefine mo e tangata..kuo ta u toutou lave ki ai talu mei he 2002..


Matiu 19: 4Pea tali ‘e ia, ‘o ne pehē, Ne ‘ikai te mou lau koā, Ko ia na‘a ne ngaohi ‘a e kakai ‘i he kamata‘anga na‘a ne ngaohi tangata mo fefine kinautolu? 5mo ne folofola, Ko e me‘a ko ia ‘e tuku ai ‘e ha tangata ‘ene tamai mo ‘ene fa‘ē, ka ne pīkitai ki hono uaifi; pea ‘e hoko ‘a e toko ua ko e kakano pē taha? 6Tā ‘oku ‘ikai te na kei ua, ka ko e kakano pē taha. ‘Āua; pea ko e me‘a kuo fakahoko ‘e he ‘Otua, ke ‘oua na‘a fakamāvae ‘e ha tangata.

Pea kuo lahi pe mo e ng Folofola netau 'osi fakamatala ki ai , fekau'aki mo e ke i puketu'u 'e he Tohitapu 'ae totonu 'o e Mali.

'Ofa atu.

Takamuli


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Ongo tangata malo e fakatalanoa pea 'oku malie ma'u pe kete 'inasi mei ho'omou ngaahi vahevahe 'oku fai.Na'aku pehe kuo tau lava kae ta koee 'oku kei hokohoko atu pe.

Kiate au ko hono Band Aid mei 'aneafi 'o talu ai 'oku kei palapalangia ni pe 'o tau kau mo kitautolu he mo'ua foki ai. Koe palopalema lahi 'o 'etau fetakaini koe 'ikai ke tau mapule'i ke tangata pe tangata pea fefine pe hou'eiki fafine (tapu mo kinautolu).
Koe kole ena 'ae tohimatolu kae toki fakavetevete fakata'emalu'ia he ngaahi to'onga mo'ui 'ae kakai 'oku makatu'unga mei ai 'e tau lotu.lelei.

Kapau na'a tau malava 'o pule kihe me'a si'isi'i taha 'ihe gene pool kae 'oua toe debilitating ha fo'i XX pe Y kae tupu mei he 'ikai ke malava 'e ho tau mafai fakae tangata 'oku tupu  mai ha  X chromosome 'oku 'iloa ko Xq28.That's hold a genes that predispose man to being gay.

Koe fakaleiti ko ena neu lave atu ki ai.Lolotonga taki taha atu 'ene ongo tamaiki 'ae faka'ilonga 'ihe mala'e 'oe ako 'I Queensland kae 'ikai malava 'ehe mafai 'ehe lotu moe toketa 'o fakatau'ataaina'i 'ae fefine fihia he sino'i tangata.
Koe 'Otua pe tene malava 'o fakatupu but not clone as they are doing now in every Lab.

Ko 'eku fifili pe 'a'aku ia Takamuli koe ha 'ae Lau 'ae fakalelei Lotu kihe tu'unga 'oe fa'unga.Ko 'eku Gay na'aku fili keu hoko  mei manava 'o Gay pea hoko 'ae  tendency of affinity as naturally as they come ko ha palopalema kihe totonu 'oe fanau'i kiate koe mo au 'o tatau pe 'ihe Lotu moe sosaieti ? 

'Oku tau tui 'Otua kotoa pe kae 'oange ha faingamalie 'ae tokotaha fa'u ke ne tali 'ae mamahi kuo fekuki mo kinautolu kuo hoko 'ae Xq28 ko ha luma 'anga 'e nau mo'ui 'ihe sino 'atamai moe laumalie ......'Oku 'iai koaa hanau Laumalie pe 'ikai.

Koe fao atu pe,
Kolo.  

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Malo Kolo ,ta u fakamahamaha 'aki pe ena, ka e tuku atu ki he kau fanongo na'a tenau lava 'o tokoni mai...hala'ataa ha'aku lave'i ho'o fifili .. me'a pe 'oku tokanga ki ai e ACC:

Ko e fefine ne fo'u ki he tangata, k .. malo hono kei talanoa'i e kaveinga na.

Takamuli.







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Malo e lavelave, ka kuo lahi faufaua e ngaahi fkmooni ia he moui e kakai ne nau fihia he ngaahi xxyy oku lava o mapulei e orientation ae tangata pe fefine SSA (Same sex attraction) i he ngaahi ngaue fklaumalie ae kakai lotu i he fuu maafimafi moe kelesi o e Otua. Koe taha ena e ngaahi fkmooni moui neu post atu he paengani. Koe kii uli tokua koee koe xxyy ko e mea pe ia oku lava ehe Otua o pulei mo fufulu, oka falala e moui kia Kalaiai o hange koe fkmanatu 'a e aposetolo o pehe, naa mou pehe kimua ka koeni kuo fufulu kimoutolu 'i he tataa o Kalaisi.

Tapuaki ia Kalaisi

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Saulisi Mafileo

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Fakafeta'i.

sisiliatupou1

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Malo Sitiveni e vahevahe! 'Oku ala lava ke mapule'i 'e he tangata & fefine 'ene holi & fiema'u! Mani e kapau he 'ikai te tau malava ke pule'i pe control 'etau ngaahi holi fakakakano kiate au te tau laine taha pe mo e fanga monumanu (tulou)! We've learnt about "self-control" pea 'oku fakapiti e hoosii (tulou) ke mapule'i hono afe'i holo! Pea ko hono pango ia e.issues ko ena (hoa tatau) tokua ko e ngaahi fakatotolo fksaianisi (biological or physiological or whatever). Fefe leva he 'ikai ke fkmo'oni'i fakasaianisi e existence 'a e 'Otua & story of Creation that Christian faith embraced! 

Ki'i ta'alo atu pe mei peito! Blessed weekend everybody! "Ofa atu


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Sami Pakofe

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Mahalo pe oku te'eki ke 'osi e fo'i efe hono palu'i, he oku mahino mai oku kei palu kovi'ii pe, mahalo pe ne fu'u konaa e tama palu KAVA ...

kOE PEHE KOEE KETAU MAPULE'I : koe fo'i me'a fakamamani ia 'Ahau, kuo ke ke fakamo'oni 'e lava 'ehe Otua o " LILIU ", 'iooooooooo, kuou tui kiai ,,,

Koe me'a koee oku tau Talanoa kiai , koe " KAU NOA ",, 'ae ACC he fili tau'ataina 'ae kakai ke nau " kei ( fakaleiti) pe kenau Les (fakasenitolomeni) ..

Oku 'osi talamai 'ehe Tphitapu, iooooo oku malava ke liliu 'ehe Mafimafi 'oe 'Otua, kae 'oua na'a mou hanganaki atu 'o TUHU'I KINAUTOLU he oku ikai ha taha 'e ma'oni'oni..

Kapau temou nofo tangutu fakata'ane lelei hifo,,, sio kihe hema moe mata'u......... koe ha tetanu fai kihe KAKAI kuo nau " Fili tau'ataina ihonau loto " " OKU NAU TAAU NAU TOLU KIHE FA'AHINGA MO'UI KOIA " ( hange koe fakatalanoa 'a Kolo) , nau tupu hake moe m'ui koia, koe Fakaleiti pea moe fakasenitolomeni,,, tau hanga atu kitautolu 'o " tuhutuhu'i"... 

Neu 'osi Fakatalatala atu kimu'a,,, " KUOU TALI LOTO LELEI 'AE FILI IHONAU LOTO KENAU FAKALEITI PE FAKASENITOLOMENI,,, koe me'a koee oku ikai teu loto kiai ko'enau " HOli kenau MALI".. teu toki lave kiai 'a mui ange ka fiema'u.

ka kuou focus, he kolenga atu, ketau " TALI " 'ENAU FILI TAU'ATINA " kae lava ketau sio atu 'e malava 'ehe Otua o faka-liliu kinautolu..

koe ngaahi me'a leva 'eni oku ne 'omai ihe 'etau ta'e tali kihe 'enau filitau'ataina:

1.Tetau 'Afungi kiatekinautolu.

2. Tetau holi ke fakamakehekehe'i kinautolu

3. Teau feinga ke fakaloto'i kitautolu, teau malava 'o liliu kinautolu , kae hili koia he'ikai tetau mlava.
4. Tetau ala atu ke ngaue'aki e mafai 'oku ikai kohotau mafai ( fie'Otua)

5. Te tau ta'e huu ai kihe mo'uita'engata, kapau he'ikai tetau lava ke fakataofki kinautolu ?

6. Oku 'ikai MAFAI HA ATANAGTA pe FEFINE kene 'ilo kiha taimi, kuo " hOKO MAI AIA EMAFIMAFI ke liliu ha tanagta pe fefine , ngata pe ihe LAUMALIE MA'ONI'ONI .


Sami Pakofe

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mou kataki pe, kuo motuku e message ia, pea fakamolemole atu ...

Tokua koe 'ulingaholo 'etau Fononga, " KATAU KA FE'OFA'AKI " koe fe'ofa'aki koe ngaue fakataha, 'aee 'oku Kolenga mai kiai 'ae si'i matakali, tuku mai kemau Malanga , tuku mai kemau Faifekau........... koe me'a ia oku ui Koe ngaue Fkataha, kohono FAKAMA'OPO'OPO mohono FAKATONUTONU ,koe kii KALSI IA 'A SISU, kene hanga 'o talamai ....... 'osi talamai pe pe 'ehe tama koia oku malanga'aki hoku HUAFA , oku nau kau motautolu, tuku 'etau siofi 'etautolu 'enau anga fai mo'enau mo'ui faka'aho, he koe me'a kehe ia......

ka pehe atu ke fai mo tolongi kinautolu, kohai tene kamata, 'ikai he'ikaii tetau lava,koe haa ? he'ilo kimoutolu..

I wish you all have a good week end together with your families & friends ,,,God be wish you  .

sami.

Sitiveni Faupula

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Malo fkongo e lavelave he fuu aho la'aa ni. 'Oku 'ea koni ko aa a kalapu? Hhhhhhh. Tuku pe mu'a mautolu koeni 'oku ACC ke mau fai pe homau fatongia he 'oku mau sii fk'ofa pe mo mautolu hono tatapuni'i pehe'i mai mautolu ni, kae hili ko ia ko e me'a pe mo eni, 'a e memipa he ACC, na'a mau fili ki ai. Hhhhhhhh. 'Oua teke kaunoa mai 'iatr kimautolu he 'oku 'ikai ke ke tali 'emau kaunoa he mea 'a e kau SSA. Ko e anga pe vakai he oku 'ikai tatau e me'a 'oku tokanga ki ai mo e me'a 'oku ke malanga'i mai,,, hhhhhhh... Teu hu leva ni pe hemau loto'aisi. Ka e malo e talanoa.

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senesi 2: 18 Pea folofola ‘a Sihova ‘Elohimi: ‘Oku ‘ikai lelei ki he tangata ke toko taha; ka u ngaohi ma‘ana ha tokoni ke ‘ao mo ia. 19Pea ngaohi ‘e Sihova ‘Elohimi mei he kelekele ‘a e fanga manu kotoa pē ‘o e fonua, pea mo e manupuna kehekehe ‘o e langi; ‘o ne ‘omi ki he tangata ke vakai pe ko e hā ha hingoa te ne ‘ai ki ai: pea ‘ilonga ha hingoa ne ‘ai ‘e he tangata ki he me‘a mo‘ui takitaha ko hono hingoa leva ia. 20Pea fakahingoa ‘e he tangata ‘a e ngaahi fa‘ahinga manu lalata, mo e manupuna ‘o e langi, mo e ngaahi fa‘ahinga manu kaivao; ka ki he tangata na‘e ‘ikai te ne ‘ilo ha tokoni ke ‘ao mo ia.
21Pea fakatō ‘e Sihova ‘Elohimi ki he tangata ha mohe ma‘u, ‘o ne mohe: pea na‘a ne unuhi hono hui vakavaka ‘e taha, ‘o ne fetongi kakano ke ma‘opo‘opo; 22pea ko e hui vakavaka na‘a ne to‘o mei he tangata na‘e fa‘u ‘aki ia ‘e Sihova ‘Elohimi ha fefine, ‘o ne ‘omi ia ki he tangata. 23Pea pehē ‘e he tangata, Ko e fai ko eni ko e hui mei hoto hui, mo e kakano mei hoto kakano: ‘e fakahingoa eni ko e Fefine, koe‘uhi na‘e to‘o ia mei he Tangata.

#2.23 ko e Fefine… Tangata: ‘Oku vāofi ‘a hono pu‘aki ‘o e faka-Hepelu= ‘o e fefiné mo e tangatá.  24Ko ia ‘e tukuange ‘e he tangata ‘ene tamai mo ‘ene fa‘ē, kae pīkitai ki hono uaifi: pea te na hoko ko e kakano pē taha.#
Māt 19.5Ma‘ake 10.781 Kol 6.16‘Efe 5.31
25Pea na‘a na fakatou telefua, ‘a e tangata mo hono uaifi, ka na‘e ‘ikai te na mā.

Malo e talanoa, tuku ke u feinga ke fakafokifoki mai e talanoa ki he kaveinga óku taukave ai e ACC... Öua temou inu piií étau kumete he óku honge kava.

Sitiveni Faupula

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Ko e me'a foki 'e taha, kapau 'e 'eke ki he kau SSA kuo fkmo'ui 'e he 'Otua pe 'oku na'u fktomala he kaunoa atu 'a e tokotaha na'a ne fa'a vahevahe ange 'a e Kosipeli mo fa'a toutou fkmanatu ange ki ai e palopalema fklaumalie, fksino mo fk'atamai 'o e SSA (Same Sex Activity) kou tui e pehe mai e tokotahi ni... Kapau 'e iai ha taha 'e fktomala koeuhi kuo ne ma'u 'a e mo'ui i he ngaue mai 'a e Otua i ha tokotaha na'a ne tala kiate au  ae lelei 'o e 'Otua mo e palopalema 'o e SSA pea oku tonu ke kii sivi e tokotaha ko ia.

Malo


On Saturday, 17 October 2015, Sami Pakofe <smpa...@gmail.com> wrote:
mou kataki pe, kuo motuku e message ia, pea fakamolemole atu ...

Tokua koe 'ulingaholo 'etau Fononga, " KATAU KA FE'OFA'AKI " koe fe'ofa'aki koe ngaue fakataha, 'aee 'oku Kolenga mai kiai 'ae si'i matakali, tuku mai kemau Malanga , tuku mai kemau Faifekau........... koe me'a ia oku ui Koe ngaue Fkataha, kohono FAKAMA'OPO'OPO mohono FAKATONUTONU ,koe kii KALSI IA 'A SISU, kene hanga 'o talamai ....... 'osi talamai pe pe 'ehe tama koia oku malanga'aki hoku HUAFA , oku nau kau motautolu, tuku 'etau siofi 'etautolu 'enau anga fai mo'enau mo'ui faka'aho, he koe me'a kehe ia......

ka pehe atu ke fai mo tolongi kinautolu, kohai tene kamata, 'ikai he'ikaii tetau lava,koe haa ? he'ilo kimoutolu..

I wish you all have a good week end together with your families & friends ,,,God be wish you  .

sami.
2015-10-17 12:22 GMT+11:00 Sami Pakofe <smpa...@gmail.com>:
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Samiuela Taufa

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Oct 17, 2015, 12:03:54 AM10/17/15
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Kau Tama

Neu nasinasi keu toe huu atu, ka koee kuo fala’ilonga mai e angaikava kuo melie hotau efe. Pea koe tou’a ‘ena ia kuo kamo mai ke drop ia ki ‘api (‘o nautolu) he kuo tuai mai ‘a Fisi mo Ha’amoa moe kau tangata’eiki agent ho’omou kalapu ‘eikii…hhhh…Koia ai tau kava tuku ‘aki ee, kae toki Tukituki ha tau efe ‘a ‘anoiha.

Kuo fasi ‘a malu ‘I Sene Lahi fakalata, pea kuo kaila e motu’a mei motu kuo lata heni ‘I hono ‘Otu Laa Vaka,

 

‘’Seuke, seuke kuo fasi ‘a malu kau laulaunoa,

He nanivi hono Alamea manakoa.

Langa’I manatu kau nonoa,

Ki si’oto Nusi neu laulotoa.

Fakapo! Neu pehe ni pe teu to’a,

Ka kuo te lusa I hono kakala faifai to’onga.

 

Kuo mei tau ‘eku epuepu ki he mui’I ma’ala, kau foki ki kolo ‘o kumi e taile, ‘o talaange, ke puna mai ki hee ke tau faikava kae tuku ‘ene loi pala….mhk

Tauange temou ma’u mo homou ngaahi family, moia kotoa pe ‘oku mou ‘ofa aii, ha w/end lelei mo hao foki.

 

Samiuela.

Sami Pakofe

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Oct 17, 2015, 12:26:26 AM10/17/15
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Kataki pe 'Ahau, fakamolemole, koe fo'i "lea-hala " neu Ngaue'aki " koe kaunoa ", oku 'iai ho'omo'oni ai, koe lea totonu,, " Tukuange pe Fili 'ae Kau Tangata , moe kau Fefine kiatekinautolu ".. mahalo e saiange ia...

MAHALO KOE FAKALEA IA OKU LELEI ........ 

Kau Tasilisili, ko'eku talanoa atu ko'eni he " Fili-tau'atina 'ae kakai kiho nau Sino "..KUOU TALI IA'E AU, fa'iteliha pe kinautolu ihe 'enau faiteliha..

Mahalo koe Topiki ia, koe tukuange pe me'a 'ae Kau Fakaleiti kihe kau Fakaleiti, pea tukuange pe me'a 'ae kau fakasenitolomeni kihe kau fie fakasenitolomeni.......

Pea tau nofo taha kitautolu kihe 'etau me'a,,,,,,,,, kapau oku 'ikai ketau tali/sai'ia heee,,,

'oange ha nau faingamalie kenau lea mai mo nau faitu'utu'uni kiai...

koe siofi pe, pe koia koaa pe ikai..

sami.

Sitiveni Faupula

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Oct 17, 2015, 12:38:23 AM10/17/15
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Malo Fkongo e fktonutonu... E fefe ke tukuange pe mo e fili ae kau ACC ke tauataina mo enau fili ke fai e me'a 'oku nau tui kiai? Ko emau fili ki he me'a ni oku ikai ko ha meanoa'ia ka ko e conviction pea ko e mea malohi fau e conviction he 'oku lava e he conviction ia 'o lilililiu vave pea toe mamalie ae orientation. Kaekehe, e lava nai ke 'omai e right koeha 'oku ke 'oange ma'ae kau SSM ma'a kimautolu, pe ko e right pe eni ia maae kau SSM? Ko e anga pe foki fkongo e fifili ka 'e tali kotoa pe uuni fifili ni aki ha fuu ipu fonu e 45 o makimaki taimi ai ki he sio tau e.

Sami Pakofe

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Oct 17, 2015, 12:57:01 AM10/17/15
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'Ahau, malo e fakamaama mai,  mahalo koe me'a leleitaha , ketau taki " malanga'i pe 'ene me'a ",,, pe koia koaa pe ikai...

hange ko'eku lave kimu'a atu....... Kuou tali 'e au 'ae GAY & LES ... PEA KUOU FIEFIA PE AU IHE 'ENAU FAKAFEANGAI, tuku ke toki fakamavahevahe'i kitautolu , kohai ia e makaka pea kohai ia e angamalu 'ehe TAMA FAKA'ULUNGAANGA ....

Kapau temou tukunoa'ii  temau tukunoa'ii kapau temou lea kiai temau lea atu kiai,  he kotautolu oku tau Tasilisili hhhhhhhh, toki me'a malie ia e...

sam.


Sitiveni Faupula

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Oct 17, 2015, 1:20:19 AM10/17/15
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Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, hange ko e lau a e new-gen kkkkk, "Malie Fkongo!!! Hhhhhhhhhhh... 'Ofa atu ka Pam mo e faimili

Sami Pakofe

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Oct 17, 2015, 1:27:14 AM10/17/15
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Toki 'ilo pe 'ane nai sii malolo e hoa 'o Linikoni,,,famili foki 'o Maniate ee,,,

io tau kii matuku e inukava ke fakamalolo hotau ngaahi fo'i misini, katau toki foki mai...

'ioo 'ofa kihe Maniate mo ekau kids...

sep...@optusnet.com.au

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Sami wr.
Kapau temou tukunoa'ii  temau tukunoa'ii kapau temou lea kiai temau lea atu kiai,  he kotautolu oku tau Tasilisili hhhhhhhh, toki me'a malie ia e...

Pea kapau ko e úhinga ia ta óku íkai ko ha úhinga malohi ia ke ne taófi e talanoa ki he fakasotoma,, é toki taófi ó ka óku maú ha no úhinga Fakakalisitiane, fakatohitapu mo ha tokateline, óku sai e fakasotoma. Ko e kau kalisitiane óku nau maú  e fakahinohino áe Tohitapu ki he anga 'óénau fakafeangai ki he Ótua,, óku íkai fakafalala e Tohitapu he Kau Faifekau mo e kau Malaga pe ko ha tangata, Óku taau ke fakafalala e ka u faifekau mo e ka u malanga mo e faáhinga ó e tangata ,he Tohitapu( liliu mei he lea á Rev Dr Peter Davis).

Óku leaía e fakasotoma koénau hu mai ke fakaátaa é he Siasi énau toónga, ka nenau nofo pe nautolu mo lotu heíkai hoko eni ia.. heíkai ketau fetaputapui talanoa í he úhinga ko ia, ke tuku hono valoki kitautolu he angahala naá lea mai taha, óku íkai ke pehe étau ngaue he lotu mo muimui í he Éiki ko Sisu Kalaisi.

Ko e Siasi ai pe ia énau ke  tuú ke malangaí e ongoongo lelei ó Sisu Kalaisi, é tuku nai naá lea mai taha ?

Malo  hono ke I  talanoaí , ka óku ou fakaámu pe mo lotu tetau tuú fakataha í hono fakaha ki he Siasi óku hala ka fakaátaa e Fakasotoma.

Takamuli



kolo

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Oct 17, 2015, 3:40:48 AM10/17/15
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Malo e lave pea koe fakatalanoa malie ange kihe 'ikai malava he'e tangata 'o 'uhinga'i mo tali 'ae losika 'oe UITE moe TEA. Koe mo'oni 'aupito 'ae to kehekehe 'ae ngaahi 'elemeniti fakafa'unga he 'oku uesia ia he'e tuku fakaholo mo hono 'atakai. koe XXYY moe XYY pea pehe kihe Xq28 koe efu ia 'oku
aka (root) pea ka uesia 'o fakatonutonu ko 'e lavea noa'ia ai 'ae XX (female) moe XY (male).Kae normal 'ae fakatupu mo'ui mei manava.

Koe me'a 'oku fai ko hono brain wash 'ae fo'i fa'unga koe ena 'oku ta'e malava ke fakatalatala (XXYY moe XYY and Xq28) ke ne tali 'ae fo'i siokita ko ia koe fai hoku loto 'o fakatatau kihe lau 'ae tohi kae tuku 'ae taumu'a 'oku hu'u kiai 'ae fo'i efu kuo ne fakamele'i 'ae fa'u mei manava. Koe fifili pe koe ta'u eni 'e fiha mo 'e tau fe'ao moe fo'i taulema ko eni.'E fai kihe lau ta'u 'a James Usher pe koe lau ta'u 'ae kau 'akiolo.'Oku kei kaila'i ai pe 'ae me'a tatau koe koe ha koaa na'e 'ikai fakalelei'i ai he'ene hoko  pe he kamata 'anga. Hoko mai ki mamani 'ae ki'i tamasi'i 'ikai loto ke fakaleiti pea tutu'u atu leva 'ae kau fakalelei vakai na'a ke fou ho fa'unga kuo faka'ulungaanga'i 'aki koe  kae muimui kihe loto 'oe tohi mo 'ene fekau.'Ikai toe kehekehe moe fa'u 'ete fu'u Pasi ke uta pasese pea te tafoki hake 'o fakapipiki ai ha mata'ipalau 'o feinga ki he'ete ngoue'anga ke palau.Koe ongo saliote misini loua pe kae taumui
a kehekehe pe...Out 'of 'Aisake and  Lepeka fulufulua e taha kae momole 'ae si'i.Koe mahino ia 'oku 'ikai tatau pea uesia mei he kamata'anga 'a XXmo XY, 'E faifai pea malava 'o fakanonga 'ae tendency of affinity ka ko 'ene normal pe kuo mapuna. FOR YOU CANNOT FIGHT YOUR TRUE NATURE......


Malo,
Kolo.

Fatai Slender

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Oct 17, 2015, 4:44:07 AM10/17/15
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Sepesi, 'Oua te ke fu'u tokanga koe ki he lau 'a Sami he ko 'ene hoko pe 'ana ki hono ki'i tokoua ko Sulunga mei Pea. hhhhhhhhha. 'Ikai ke 'ilo'i e taimi 'oku
fakamaatoato ai.

'Oua 'e 'ita mai Sami e. 'Ofa atu

Fatai


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Sitiveni

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Oct 17, 2015, 4:48:14 AM10/17/15
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Malo Kolo. Io, ko e losika o e nofo fkmamani ko e tea moe uite fktaha. Ka ko e losika o e nofo a e siasi ko e nofo 'a tea, ka kuo liliu ko e uite 'ia Kalaisi. Malo

Taniela Tuita

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Oct 17, 2015, 7:09:09 AM10/17/15
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Malo e lavelave. Kuou peheni kuo 'osi melie 'a e efe ni. Ko e me'a malie ia kapau 'e tukunoa'i 'a e kaveinga ni. Me'a eni 'e fai ai e melino he lau 'a e 'ihi - Hanga 'e he kau kei/lesi 'o fknofo kinautolu pe 'enautolu ko e kau faifekau 'ai mo 'enau ouau pea nau lele 'enau malanga fk'evangelio ki he 'enau kau kei/lesi pea tau lotu tautolu kau nomolo mo fai 'etau 'evangelio mo talitali ai ki he 'etau mate pea toki fai ai e 'ilo ki he mo'oni 'o 'enau anga fai mo 'etau angafai e lotu pe kohai 'e hu. Ka ko hono palema he 'oku 'ikai pehe ia. Lotu tautolu pea humai nautolu 'o kole mai ke ngofuaange kinautolu ke nau faifekau kei/lesi pe fkngofuaange kenau mali kei/lesi. Ko e fehu'i ko e mafai mei fe ketau 'oange ai e fo'i fkngofua koia? 'E tu'u 'ia hai 'etau fkngofua? He saienisi? He fk'uhingame'a? He tohitapu? He tukufkholo? Kuo 'osi fai kotoa e lave ia ki he ngaahi tali ni kimu'a atu ka ko e fkmafana atu pe na'a kuo toe 'i ai ha me'afo'ou.

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Sitiveni Faupula

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Io fkongo sii manatua atu e kii fanau paea homou lotu hufia. Ne iai pe palofita moe fuu tangai tafulu... Hhhhh. Ongoi e Naia kae pehe ka Alimetu e mole e ofefine tonunga koeni. Neu iai pe o tufi veve holo ai..hhhhhhhh

Sami0602

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Oct 18, 2015, 4:23:33 AM10/18/15
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Malo etau lava Taniela, pea koe mo'oni e me'a oku ke lave mai kiai,,,

Koe me'a fo'ou pe ae Lau ae tohi ketau Fai kiai,,,""ke tau hoko koe kau Taniela, o to'o ae Matapa, hanga Ki Selusalema , lotu tokotaha...

Me'a 'eni oku Fai ai e Fka'usia ihe Lotu lelei,,oua toe hanga holo he "e Fai tu'utu'uni hoto Mata kiakita, kae ngalo a Selusalema, hhhhh


smp

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Malo e lavelave. Kuou peheni kuo 'osi melie 'a e efe ni. Ko e me'a malie ia kapau 'e tukunoa'i 'a e kaveinga ni. Me'a eni 'e fai ai e melino he lau 'a e 'ihi - Hanga 'e he kau kei/lesi 'o fknofo kinautolu pe 'enautolu ko e kau faifekau 'ai mo 'enau ouau pea nau lele 'enau malanga fk'evangelio ki he 'enau kau kei/lesi pea tau lotu tautolu kau nomolo mo fai 'etau 'evangelio mo talitali ai ki he 'etau mate pea toki fai ai e 'ilo ki he mo'oni 'o 'enau anga fai mo 'etau angafai e lotu pe kohai 'e hu. Ka ko hono palema he 'oku 'ikai pehe ia. Lotu tautolu pea humai nautolu 'o kole mai ke ngofuaange kinautolu ke nau faifekau kei/lesi pe fkngofuaange kenau mali kei/lesi. Ko e fehu'i ko e mafai mei fe ketau 'oange ai e fo'i fkngofua koia? 'E tu'u 'ia hai 'etau fkngofua? He saienisi? He fk'uhingame'a? He tohitapu? He tukufkholo? Kuo 'osi fai kotoa e lave ia ki he ngaahi tali ni kimu'a atu ka ko e fkmafana atu pe na'a kuo toe 'i ai ha me'afo'ou.
2015-10-17 20:37 GMT+13:00 <sep...@optusnet.com.au>:
Sami wr.
Kapau temou tukunoa'ii  temau tukunoa'ii kapau temou lea kiai temau lea atu kiai,  he kotautolu oku tau Tasilisili hhhhhhhh, toki me'a malie ia e...

Pea kapau ko e úhinga ia ta óku íkai ko ha úhinga malohi ia ke ne taófi e talanoa ki he fakasotoma,, é toki taófi ó ka óku maú ha no úhinga Fakakalisitiane, fakatohitapu mo ha tokateline, óku sai e fakasotoma. Ko e kau kalisitiane óku nau maú  e fakahinohino áe Tohitapu ki he anga 'óénau fakafeangai ki he Ótua,, óku íkai fakafalala e Tohitapu he Kau Faifekau mo e kau Malaga pe ko ha tangata, Óku taau ke fakafalala e ka u faifekau mo e ka u malanga mo e faáhinga ó e tangata ,he Tohitapu( liliu mei he lea á Rev Dr Peter Davis).

Óku leaía e fakasotoma koénau hu mai ke fakaátaa é he Siasi énau toónga, ka nenau nofo pe nautolu mo lotu heíkai hoko eni ia.. heíkai ketau fetaputapui talanoa í he úhinga ko ia, ke tuku hono valoki kitautolu he angahala naá lea mai taha, óku íkai ke pehe étau ngaue he lotu mo muimui í he Éiki ko Sisu Kalaisi.

Ko e Siasi ai pe ia énau ke  tuú ke malangaí e ongoongo lelei ó Sisu Kalaisi, é tuku nai naá lea mai taha ?

Malo  hono ke I  talanoaí , ka óku ou fakaámu pe mo lotu tetau tuú fakataha í hono fakaha ki he Siasi óku hala ka fakaátaa e Fakasotoma.

Takamuli




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Sami0602

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Hhhhh, Malo Fatai e tau ko'ena ,

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Sepesi, 'Oua te ke fu'u tokanga koe ki he lau 'a Sami he ko 'ene hoko pe 'ana ki hono ki'i tokoua ko Sulunga mei Pea. hhhhhhhhha. 'Ikai ke 'ilo'i e taimi 'oku
fakamaatoato ai.

'Oua 'e 'ita mai Sami e. 'Ofa atu

Fatai


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Subject: Re: [tasilisili] Assembly of Confessing Congregations with in th Uniting Church in Australia.
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 18:37:42 +1100

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