Zionism and Nazism: is there a difference that makes a difference?
coaste...@yahoo.com
By Roger Tucker
20 February 2010
Roger Tucker argues that Zionism and Nazism are "identical
manifestations of the same basic pathology" and that they are "equally
dangerous to the well being of humanity". He says that although
Zionism ultimately cannot sustain itself, to be complacent would risk
inflicting "immense harm" on humanity.
This disarmingly simple formula, Zionism equals Nazism, is analogous
to the famous assertions of Galileo and Copernicus – demonstrable but
so heretical in their contemporary context as to unleash a deafening
chorus of outrage from defenders of the conventional wisdom. Speaking
truth to power is always a very risky business but it has its
compensations: if you live long enough you can enjoy the fleeting
pleasure of vindication and the comforting thought that no matter how
bad things may seem at the time, they do have a way of working
themselves out.
Nazism – a definition
In Part I of this series, “’Us’” versus “’them’”: on the meaning of
fascism” I laid out the basic argument for classifying Zionism as a
form of fascism. This brief essay takes the next logical step,
equating Zionism with Nazism. It is meant for readers who have
developed at least some measure of immunity to the omnipresent,
ubiquitous and extraordinarily effective propaganda effort underway
for as long as almost all of us have been alive. We will proceed in
the same fashion, drawing on the Wikipedia definitions and then
looking at the current usage in order to deconstruct the deceptions of
the Zionists.
According to Wikipedia,
Nazism, known officially in German as National Socialism, is the
totalitarian ideology and practices of the Nazi Party or National
Socialist German Workers’ Party under Adolf Hitler, and the policies
adopted by the dictatorial government of Nazi Germany from 1933 to
1945… In the 1930s, Nazism was not a monolithic movement, but rather a
(mainly German) combination of various ideologies and philosophies
which centred around nationalism, anti-communism, traditionalism and
the importance of the ethnostate. Groups such as Strasserism and Black
Front were part of the early Nazi movement. Their motivations were
triggered over anger about the Treaty of Versailles, and what they
considered to have been a Jewish/communist conspiracy to humiliate
Germany at the end of World War I. Germany’s post-war ills were
critical to the formation of the ideology and its criticisms of the
post-war Weimar Republic…
OK, all well and good. Note that the principal ideological elements of
Nazi thought were “nationalism, anti-communism, traditionalism and the
importance of the ethnostate”. The rest of the definition elaborates
on the importance of a sense of victimhood. Also note the elision of
“Jewish/communist conspiracy”. As people are increasingly coming to
understand, Hitler’s primary animus was not against Jews as such, but
Bolshevism, which indeed was largely a Jewish endeavour.
Zionism – a self-serving Zionst definition
Wikipedia says:
Zionism is the international political movement that originally
supported the re-establishment of a homeland for the Jewish people in
the Land of Israel, the historical homeland of the Jews. Since the
establishment of the State of Israel, the Zionist movement continues
primarily to support it. Zionism is based on historical ties and
religious traditions linking the Jewish people to the Land of Israel.
Almost two millennia after the Jewish diaspora, the modern Zionist
movement, beginning in the late 19th century, was mainly founded by
secular Jews, largely as a response by Ashkenazi Jews to anti-Semitism
across Europe, especially in Russia…
In this definition we are confronted with the inescapable imprint of
Zionist propaganda that is characteristic of any Wikipedia pages
having to do with Zionism or Israel. Notice the favourite rhetorical
tactic of begging the question. We are asked to blindly accept as
axiomatic the highly dubious proposition of “the re-establishment of a
homeland for the Jewish people in the Land of Israel”. These are the
key points of the mythology exploded by the Israeli historian Shlomo
Sand in his recent best-seller When and how was the Jewish people
invented. And never mind that it was years after the founding of
Zionism by Theodor Hertzl that the main goal of creating a homeland
for “the Jews” zeroed in on Palestine as the location for a Jewish
state. In any case, we can accept the Wikipedia definition as at least
accurately representing the Zionist belief system.
"When we look at Zionism in terms of what it actually is rather than
some devious, self-serving Zionist definition we find 'nationalism,
traditionalism and the importance of the ethnostate'."
In terms of current usage, Nazism is a thoroughly discredited ideology
that has become virtually synonymous with political evil in much the
same way as the more general category of fascism. As the well known
formula has it, history is written by the winners. It is largely
forgotten that there was considerable support for the Nazis in both
the US and in Britain, articulated by numerous highly regarded people
like Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh. It could have gone either way.
As for what Zionism means nowadays, it is the expression of an
historical aberration, the political Zionism of people like Vladimir
Zabotinsky – the source and continuing gold standard of Middle Eastern
terrorism – quite the opposite of the idealistic philosophy of the
cultural or spiritual Zionists who were dominant in the movement prior
to the rise of the Nazis, whom the political Zionists admired and
collaborated with.
We are currently experiencing a similar phenomenon – the battle
between the Zio-Nazis and the anti-Zionists. It is essentially the
same battle, fought out by two different protagonists, but the
principles involved are the same. For the sake of simplicity it can
reasonably be viewed as the age old struggle between good and evil.
The differences are even starker, as this is clearly a conflict
between the forces of money and power versus ordinary people, between
a purely utilitarian, amoral materialism versus a sense of what is
truly sacred, between imperialism and those less powerful, between
colonialism and “the natives,” between truth and falsehood, and so on
and so forth. And due to the Zionization of the Western world, it is
playing out as the West against the rest of the world. It is an epic
confrontation and it is not hyperbole to say that once again the fate
of mankind lies in the balance.
Zionism and Nazism – differences and similarities
What, then, are the differences and similarities between Zionism and
Nazism? If we go back to the definition of Nazism we see four
characteristics mentioned. One of them was a reference to a transient
political ideology, communism, while the other three are historical
constants. Throwing out “anti-communism” we are left with the
essential elements. When we look at Zionism in terms of what it
actually is rather than some devious, self-serving Zionist definition
we find “nationalism, traditionalism and the importance of the
ethnostate”. We also find the essential elements of fascism in
general, the arrogance of group ego and the assertion of an a priori
privilege that trumps any such fripperies as civil rights, human
rights, international law or even common human decency. Coercion and
force majeure are the means and virtual enslavement or extermination
of the “others” (the goyim – gentiles) are the ends.
Characteristically, we also find the common element of a sense of
infinite entitlement based on perceived prior victimhood.
As for any arguments based on the obvious or perceived differences
between Zionism and Nazism, we can easily dismiss them as
superficialities, rather than any differences that make a difference.
Substantively, they are identical manifestations of the same basic
pathology and they are equally dangerous to the well being of
humanity. We can comfort ourselves with the knowledge that the bullies
never win in the end, because underneath the bluster they are abject
cowards and cowardice can’t sustain itself in the long term. But that
doesn’t mean we can just sit back and wait for them to meet their
inevitable fate – as we have seen, they are capable of doing immense
harm in the meantime.
All of the great wisdom traditions are in agreement that we are human
beings first and anything else is at best a secondary characteristic.
As long as there remains any confusion about this, various forms of
fascism will arise and bedevil us. As long as we identify ourselves
primarily in some tribal fashion, whether it's based on nationality,
ethnicity, religion, gender or any parochial and exclusionary manner,
then confusion and conflict will reign supreme. We shall indeed
overcome, if we last that long, but only when it is universally
understood that We refers to all of us. In the meantime, silence is
complicity.
If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, you better duck!
drahcir
wrote:
> Zionism and Nazism: is there a difference that makes a difference?
> By Roger Tucker
Kewl. Then we can do nazism and romanticism - is there a difference
that makes a difference? nazism and baseball - is there a difference
that makes a difference, etc.... "rogar tucker" is a MORON, as, of
course, are you.
>
> 20 February 2010
>
> Roger Tucker argues that Zionism and Nazism are "identical
> manifestations of the same basic pathology" and that they are "equally
> dangerous to the well being of humanity". He says that although
> Zionism ultimately cannot sustain itself, to be c omplacent would risk
coaste...@yahoo.com
> On Feb 26, 7:10 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Zionism and Nazism: is there a difference that makes a difference?
> > By Roger Tucker
>
> Kewl. Then we can do nazism and romanticism - is there a difference
> that makes a difference? nazism and baseball - is there a difference
> that makes a difference, etc.... "rogar tucker" is a MORON, as, of
> course, are you.
Zionism and Nazism – differences and similarities
Tell it like it is.
Tell it like it is.
> wrote:
>
> > Zionism and Nazism: is there a difference that makes a difference?
> > By Roger Tucker
>
Kewl. Then we can do nazism and romanticism - is there a difference
that makes a difference? nazism and baseball - is there a difference
that makes a difference, etc.... "rogar tucker" is a MORON, as, of
course, are you.
Would you prefer being a.) Drahcir a
Jew in Nazi Germany in 1933, or b.) Drahcir a native Palestinian in
Zionist Israel in 1/2010?
or c.) Drahcir promoting Zion-ism
in America while labeling Americans: MORONS.
Or, Drahcir one of 500 Jewish Department Heads in the Bolshevik
Government of 1917.
>
> - Show quoted text -
Fish Supper
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Zionism and Nazism: is there a difference that makes a difference?
By Roger Tucker
20 February 2010
<snip>
If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, you better duck!
***
great post Ico - and at the risk of preening, it echos what I have often
said. The only difference between the Nazis and the zionists is methodology
and timescale - for moral difference be there none.
By the way - and I am on a self-congratulatory roll, I must warn you - did I
not say, these two months past, in my analysis of Turkish / Israeli
relations that the third of the four stages, after the second stage of
neutral disengagement, of the development of Turkey as the regional
counterbalance to Israel would be an active Turkish challenge to Israeli
authority - and has Johnny Turk not gone and rattled some Zionist cages with
the promises of a seaborne convoy to Gaza?
Your State Department should employ me, you know. I work cheap and also
Sundays and public holidays.
drahcir
wrote:
> On Feb 26, 6:14 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 26, 7:10 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Zionism and Nazism: is there a difference that makes a difference?
> > > By Roger Tucker
>
> > Kewl. Then we can do nazism and romanticism - is there a difference
> > that makes a difference? nazism and baseball - is there a difference
> > that makes a difference, etc.... "rogar tucker" is a MORON, as, of
> > course, are you.
>
> Zionism and Nazism – differences and similarities
The reason all you can do in reply is repaste more absurd shit is
because you can't think of anything else to do.
drahcir
<DanielAlbertDesfos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 6:14 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Feb 26, 7:10 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Zionism and Nazism: is there a difference that makes a difference?
> > > By Roger Tucker
>
> Kewl. Then we can do nazism and romanticism - is there a difference
> that makes a difference? nazism and baseball - is there a difference
> that makes a difference, etc.... "rogar tucker" is a MORON, as, of
> course, are you.
> Drahcir,
> Would you prefer being a.) Drahcir a
> Jew in Nazi Germany in 1933, or b.) Drahcir a native Palestinian in
> Zionist Israel in 1/2010?
> or c.) Drahcir promoting Zion-ism
> in America while labeling Americans: MORONS.
> Or, Drahcir one of 500 Jewish Department Heads in the Bolshevik
> Government of 1917.
Psycho, I don't think that question is sane enough to warrant a
considered reply, sorry. I know you're trying, but it would be much
easier for you if you'd see a shrink for a few years.
DoD
> On Feb 26, 8:23 pm, "Tell it like it is."
>
>
>
>
>
> <DanielAlbertDesfos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 26, 6:14 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Feb 26, 7:10 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Zionism and Nazism: is there a difference that makes a difference?
> > > > By Roger Tucker
>
> > Kewl. Then we can do nazism and romanticism - is there a difference
> > that makes a difference? nazism and baseball - is there a difference
> > that makes a difference, etc.... "rogar tucker" is a MORON, as, of
> > course, are you.
> > Drahcir,
> > Would you prefer being a.) Drahcir a
> > Jew in Nazi Germany in 1933, or b.) Drahcir a native Palestinian in
> > Zionist Israel in 1/2010?
> > or c.) Drahcir promoting Zion-ism
> > in America while labeling Americans: MORONS.
> > Or, Drahcir one of 500 Jewish Department Heads in the Bolshevik
> > Government of 1917.
>
> Psycho, I don't think that question is sane enough to warrant a
> considered reply, sorry. I know you're trying, but it would be much
> easier for you if you'd see a shrink for a few years.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!
Doug
news:a3368a8e-a121-45fa...@q15g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 26, 6:14 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 7:10 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Zionism and Nazism: is there a difference that makes a difference?
> > By Roger Tucker
>
Kewl. Then we can do nazism and romanticism - is there a difference
that makes a difference? nazism and baseball - is there a difference
that makes a difference, etc.... "rogar tucker" is a MORON, as, of
course, are you.
Drahcir,
Would you prefer being a.) Drahcir a
Jew in Nazi Germany in 1933, or b.) Drahcir a native Palestinian in
Zionist Israel in 1/2010?
or c.) Drahcir promoting Zion-ism
in America while labeling Americans: MORONS.
Or, Drahcir one of 500 Jewish Department Heads in the Bolshevik
Government of 1917.
***********************************************
Nothing says delusional antisemitism quite like the above paragraph.
Doug
"drahcir" <justrich...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9d34e2f9-24d7-40d4...@f35g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 26, 8:23 pm, "Tell it like it is."
<DanielAlbertDesfos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 6:14 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Feb
> 26, 7:10 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Zionism and Nazism: is there a difference that makes a difference?
> > > By Roger Tucker
>
> Kewl. Then we can do nazism and romanticism - is there a difference
> that makes a difference? nazism and baseball - is there a difference
> that makes a difference, etc.... "rogar tucker" is a MORON, as, of
> course, are you.
> Drahcir,
> Would you prefer being a.) Drahcir a
> Jew in Nazi Germany in 1933, or b.) Drahcir a native Palestinian in
> Zionist Israel in 1/2010?
> or c.) Drahcir promoting Zion-ism
> in America while labeling Americans: MORONS.
> Or, Drahcir one of 500 Jewish Department Heads in the Bolshevik
> Government of 1917.
Psycho, I don't think that question is sane enough to warrant a
considered reply, sorry. I know you're trying, but it would be much
easier for you if you'd see a shrink for a few years.
****************************
A frontal lobotomy would be quicker, easier and cheaper. A
win-win!
Bolt Upright
needed (or warranted).
@toad.net Uncle Toad
"Doug" <andx...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
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Richard (drahcir) is a long established Zio-moron, postulating nothing but
rubbish and slanderous hyperbole. Except in one account I have him long
since killfiled, which is exactly where he should be.
drahcir
drahcir
> "Doug" <andxor...@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:hmbdh8$i45$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "drahcir" <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Aw, unc, do you think there's a soul here who doesn't understand why
you've killfiled me? Do you think there's anyone who blames you?
Bolt Upright
Because he's bored with such an obnoxious, baby-talking, spiteful little
queen as yourself, obviously.
> Do you think there's anyone who blames you?
>
Nobody with two firing neurons would blame anyone for such an action.
Bolt Upright
drahcir
wrote:
Aw, poo wittoo gawy wanna get meanie drahcir back - he be so upset!!
He don't wanna be tawked to wike a baby - he too silly to understand
that one addresses a person in the way most likely to be comprehended.
@toad.net Uncle Toad
"Bolt Upright" <Nob...@home.com> wrote in message
news:3e87a$4b89aa15$cf701d2c$74...@PRIMUS.CA...
Does he really think that his contrived baby-talk is somehow going to bait
someone, smart enough to see this nonsense for the driveling horseshit that
it is, into responding? What a thick piece of certified kosher Judaic pig
shit -- poor little Richard.
drahcir
> "Bolt Upright" <Nobo...@home.com> wrote in message
oh wook at poo wittoo unc, much too shy to step up and speak with
meanie drahcir directly.
Tell it like it is.
> "Tell it like it is." <DanielAlbertDesfos...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:a3368a8e-a121-45fa...@q15g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
There's a professor in the University system of California who agrees
with you that Zio-Nazis label everyone who disagrees with their
politics antisemites. Then the antisemites are put on the ADL shit
list, including Jews.
dsharavi
for Jews, whereas Watson is a liar and a coward.
Deborah
Bolt Upright
that, let her. It only illustrates what a dipshit she truly is.
Personally, I'll have none of it; life's way too short to indulge such
foolishness.
Bolt Upright
who disliked Jews. Nowadays, it has been perverted to mean someone whom
a Jew dislikes. Bizzarre, that.
@toad.net Uncle Toad
Yep, they sure have twisted the truth around their proverbial Jewish
fingers.
coaste...@yahoo.com
> "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a6310eed-c815-44fb...@s36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Zionism and Nazism: is there a difference that makes a difference?
> By Roger Tucker
>
> 20 February 2010
> <snip>
>
> If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, you better duck!
>
> ***
>
> great post Ico - and at the risk of preening, it echos what I have often
> said. The only difference between the Nazis and the zionists is methodology
> and timescale - for moral difference be there none.
When tragedy becomes mass murder as gratuitous and stupifying as that
in Gaza the moral conclusions drawn from it can not be further
escalated further. Ratner understands nothing about that, but
Solzhenitsyn did.
>
> By the way - and I am on a self-congratulatory roll, I must warn you - did I
> not say, these two months past, in my analysis of Turkish / Israeli
> relations that the third of the four stages, after the second stage of
> neutral disengagement, of the development of Turkey as the regional
> counterbalance to Israel would be an active Turkish challenge to Israeli
> authority - and has Johnny Turk not gone and rattled some Zionist cages with
> the promises of a seaborne convoy to Gaza?
You did indeed predict it, but I missed the news item. It's
embarrassing. Have you a key word or an url? Were I in the White House
the US Navy would be providing cover for the Turks and we'd be
lobbying for their entry into the EU.
> Your State Department should employ me, you know. I work cheap and also
> Sundays and public holidays.
You'd have to take a job as an independent contractor, a consultant.
Otherwise you'd need the consent of the the Senate and that, of
course, would fail. It's the senior chamber in the "greatest
deliberative body in the world" but it is dictated to by the Israel
Lobby.
coaste...@yahoo.com
> On Feb 26, 7:37 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 26, 6:14 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 26, 7:10 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Zionism and Nazism: is there a difference that makes a difference?
> > > > By Roger Tucker
>
> > > Kewl. Then we can do nazism and romanticism - is there a difference
> > > that makes a difference? nazism and baseball - is there a difference
> > > that makes a difference, etc.... "rogar tucker" is a MORON, as, of
> > > course, are you.
>
> > Zionism and Nazism – differences and similarities
>
> The reason all you can do in reply is repaste more absurd shit is
> because you can't think of anything else to do.
>
article, Ratner, and I'll certainly do so but not if you run away as
you are doing here. I'm content to just move on. You see, I always
take the lead.
coaste...@yahoo.com
> On Feb 26, 8:23 pm, "Tell it like it is."
>
>
>
>
>
> <DanielAlbertDesfos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 26, 6:14 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Feb 26, 7:10 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Zionism and Nazism: is there a difference that makes a difference?
> > > > By Roger Tucker
>
> > Kewl. Then we can do nazism and romanticism - is there a difference
> > that makes a difference?
Actually, Nazim had a strong romantic element to it. Its origins were
of that era.
nazism and baseball - is there a difference
> > that makes a difference, etc.... "rogar tucker" is a MORON, as, of
> > course, are you.
> > Drahcir,
> > Would you prefer being a.) Drahcir a
> > Jew in Nazi Germany in 1933, or b.) Drahcir a native Palestinian in
> > Zionist Israel in 1/2010?
> > or c.) Drahcir promoting Zion-ism
> > in America while labeling Americans: MORONS.
> > Or, Drahcir one of 500 Jewish Department Heads in the Bolshevik
> > Government of 1917.
>
> Psycho, I don't think that question is sane enough to warrant a
> considered reply, sorry. I know you're trying, but it would be much
> easier for you if you'd see a shrink for a few years.
It was sane enough to sober you up.
> ...
>
> read more »
dsharavi
> > The reason all you can do in reply is repaste more absurd shit is
> > because you can't think of anything else to do.
>
wrote:
> But I'm capable of making a rather elaborate commentary on Tucker's
> article, Ratner, and I'll certainly do so
Subcategory: MOTSS
>You see, I always take the lead.
Not even in shoveling from the standard fertilizer factory. How
delusional Hunter has grown (withered?).
Deborah
dsharavi
wrote:
> When tragedy becomes mass murder as gratuitous and stupifying as that
> in Gaza the moral conclusions drawn from it can not be further
> escalated further. Ratner understands nothing about that,
Especially when its presented in drunken Watsonese.
>Were I in the White House
> the US Navy would be providing cover for the Turks and we'd be
> lobbying for their entry into the EU.
And H would be gloating over the potential for millions of dead Jews,
stacked like firewood, in the photos he so loved pouring over.
Deborah
drahcir
wrote:
> On Feb 26, 10:29 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 26, 7:37 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 26, 6:14 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 26, 7:10 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Zionism and Nazism: is there a difference that makes a difference?
> > > > > By Roger Tucker
>
> > > > Kewl. Then we can do nazism and romanticism - is there a difference
> > > > that makes a difference? nazism and baseball - is there a difference
> > > > that makes a difference, etc.... "rogar tucker" is a MORON, as, of
> > > > course, are you.
>
> > > Zionism and Nazism – differences and similarities
>
> > The reason all you can do in reply is repaste more absurd shit is
> > because you can't think of anything else to do.
>
> But I'm capable of making a rather elaborate commentary on Tucker's
> article, Ratner, and I'll certainly do so but not if you run away as
> you are doing here.
H, you are a pathetic child. You just want so badly to catch me
"running away", it's in nearly every one of your posts. Need I remind
you of the last time you did so and made such a complete idiot of
yourself that it's only because you have no pride at all that you
continue to post here? Once the crap that you post reaches a certain
level, a one-liner is all that is necessary. We'll let the group
decide is that is "running away".
I'm content to just move on.
Of course you are. You don't want to waste time on your crap any more
than I do.
You see, I always
> take the lead.
Have fun stroking yourself, you pitiful creature.
drahcir
wrote:
> On Feb 26, 10:32 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 26, 8:23 pm, "Tell it like it is."
>
> > <DanielAlbertDesfos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Feb 26, 6:14 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Feb 26, 7:10 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Zionism and Nazism: is there a difference that makes a difference?
> > > > > By Roger Tucker
>
> > > Kewl. Then we can do nazism and romanticism - is there a difference
> > > that makes a difference?
>
> Actually, Nazim had a strong romantic element to it. Its origins were
> of that era.
> nazism and baseball - is there a difference
Please enlighten the group now about nazism and baseball.
>
> > > that makes a difference, etc.... "rogar tucker" is a MORON, as, of
> > > course, are you.
> > > Drahcir,
> > > Would you prefer being a.) Drahcir a
> > > Jew in Nazi Germany in 1933, or b.) Drahcir a native Palestinian in
> > > Zionist Israel in 1/2010?
> > > or c.) Drahcir promoting Zion-ism
> > > in America while labeling Americans: MORONS.
> > > Or, Drahcir one of 500 Jewish Department Heads in the Bolshevik
> > > Government of 1917.
>
> > Psycho, I don't think that question is sane enough to warrant a
> > considered reply, sorry. I know you're trying, but it would be much
> > easier for you if you'd see a shrink for a few years.
>
> It was sane enough to sober you up.
Whoa, how incisive....
> ...
>
> read more »
Fish Supper
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On Feb 26, 8:47 pm, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
> "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a6310eed-c815-44fb...@s36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Zionism and Nazism: is there a difference that makes a difference?
> By Roger Tucker
>
> 20 February 2010
> <snip>
>
> If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, you better duck!
>
> ***
>
> great post Ico - and at the risk of preening, it echos what I have often
> said. The only difference between the Nazis and the zionists is
> methodology
> and timescale - for moral difference be there none.
When tragedy becomes mass murder as gratuitous and stupifying as that
in Gaza the moral conclusions drawn from it can not be further
escalated further. Ratner understands nothing about that, but
Solzhenitsyn did.
***
There isn't enough space in the British Library to archive everything dickie
knows nothing about.
>
> By the way - and I am on a self-congratulatory roll, I must warn you - did
> I
> not say, these two months past, in my analysis of Turkish / Israeli
> relations that the third of the four stages, after the second stage of
> neutral disengagement, of the development of Turkey as the regional
> counterbalance to Israel would be an active Turkish challenge to Israeli
> authority - and has Johnny Turk not gone and rattled some Zionist cages
> with
> the promises of a seaborne convoy to Gaza?
You did indeed predict it, but I missed the news item. It's
embarrassing. Have you a key word or an url?
***
couple of links here:
http://mondoweiss.net/2010/02/turkey-vows-to-launch-berlin-airlift.html
http://rodcoxandgaza.blogspot.com/
http://www.ihh.org.tr/13572/en/
***
Uncle Toad
"Fish Supper" <li...@sea.com> wrote in message
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>
> "icono...@yahoo.com" <coaste...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:d7d499fd-2dfd-4b17...@s36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 26, 8:47 pm, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
>> "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:a6310eed-c815-44fb...@s36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> Zionism and Nazism: is there a difference that makes a difference?
>> By Roger Tucker
>>
>> 20 February 2010
>> <snip>
>>
>> If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, you better duck!
>>
>> ***
>>
>> great post Ico - and at the risk of preening, it echos what I have often
>> said. The only difference between the Nazis and the zionists is
>> methodology
>> and timescale - for moral difference be there none.
>
> When tragedy becomes mass murder as gratuitous and stupifying as that
> in Gaza the moral conclusions drawn from it can not be further
> escalated further. Ratner understands nothing about that, but
> Solzhenitsyn did.
>
War crimes in Gaza by Israel are a black mark on Israel, and day by day
people are seeing the hypocrisy of the Israeli political paradigm in the
region. It doesn't take a political scientist to see the lies on top of more
lies for what they truly are -- all Zionist misinformation and propaganda.
coaste...@yahoo.com
Congressman Baird’s Statement on Gaza (February 19 2010)
Washington, D.C.— I call for the United States to break the Gaza
blockade, provide immediate humanitarian aid, and urge Special Envoy
Mitchell to visit Gaza. In thepast year I have been to Gaza three
times and was the first US Government official to visit Gaza after the
Israeli Cast Lead operation. I recently visited Gaza for two days to
assess aid shipments and humanitarian conditions.
These are the facts:
There is an Israeli blockade around Gaza, on land and along the coast.
This blockade was established so that contraband weapons and equipment
used for rockets to shell Israel will not enter Gaza. While there are
food stuffs entering Gaza, the shipments are tightly controlled and
items such as tomato paste and pasta are sometimes restricted by the
Israelis. Palestinians cannot rebuild their homes, their schools, or
their hospitals because they cannot import the cement needed to
complete the projects. They cannot build sewage systems and prevent
55 million metric meters of sewage flow into the Mediterranean because
the Israelis limit the amount of construction materials into
Gaza.
A tunnel system has developed in South Gaza which circumvents the
Israeli blockade. This system is creating a new power base in the
society which is based on criminal activity and not the rule of law.
Hamas is reaping the benefits and is becoming more powerful.
President Obama’s June 2009 Cairo address, Secretary of State
Clinton’s numerous statements, and the international community’s
promises have all pledged to help the Palestinians. What I have
concluded on my recent visit is that those pledges have not
materialized and the Palestinian people have little hope for the
future. One year after the bombing stopped, and five years after the
wall was erected around Gaza, the people have little hope in the
future. This lack of hope will eventually foment into radicalization.
Radicalization will breed terrorists which will threaten the security
of not only Israel but also the United States. We need to reverse
this spiral of despair.
Here is what I propose:
Special envoy Mitchell should visit Gaza to determine first hand
humanitarian needs. The blockade should be circumvented by the United
States; much like we did when we circumvented the Berlin Blockade. We
would accomplish this using roll-on/off ships supplying the needed
material for Palestinians to rebuild their society. We must find a
just and lasting peace not only with words, but actions. This will
provide the people of Gaza hope and fulfill the commitment made by
President Obama.
coaste...@yahoo.com
> "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote in message
>
> news:X-qdnV-xxKUa4BPW...@bt.com...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:d7d499fd-2dfd-4b17...@s36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > On Feb 26, 8:47 pm, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
> >> "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:a6310eed-c815-44fb...@s36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> >> Zionism and Nazism: is there a difference that makes a difference?
> >> By Roger Tucker
>
> >> 20 February 2010
> >> <snip>
>
> >> If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, you better duck!
>
> >> ***
>
> >> great post Ico - and at the risk of preening, it echos what I have often
> >> said. The only difference between the Nazis and the zionists is
> >> methodology
> >> and timescale - for moral difference be there none.
>
> > When tragedy becomes mass murder as gratuitous and stupifying as that
> > in Gaza the moral conclusions drawn from it can not be further
> > escalated further. Ratner understands nothing about that, but
> > Solzhenitsyn did.
>
> War crimes in Gaza by Israel are a black mark on Israel, and day by day
> people are seeing the hypocrisy of the Israeli political paradigm in the
> region. It doesn't take a political scientist to see the lies on top of more
> lies for what they truly are -- all Zionist misinformation and propaganda.
>
first point.
coaste...@yahoo.com
>
> Deborah
dsharavi
wrote:
> On Mar 2, 7:21 am, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 1, 10:39 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >Were I in the White House
> > > the US Navy would be providing cover for the Turks and we'd be
> > > lobbying for their entry into the EU.
>
> > And H would be gloating over the potential for millions of dead Jews,
> > stacked like firewood, in the photos he so loved pouring over.
>
> > Deborah
>
> Congressman Baird’s Statement on Gaza (February 19 2010)
> Washington, D.C.— I call for the United States to break the Gaza
> blockade, provide immediate humanitarian aid, and urge Special Envoy
> Mitchell to visit Gaza.
Qui tacet consentire. Ergo, H gloats over the potential for millions
of dead Jews, stacked like firewood, just like those in the photos he
coaste...@yahoo.com
> "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d7d499fd-2dfd-4b17...@s36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 26, 8:47 pm, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:a6310eed-c815-44fb...@s36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > Zionism and Nazism: is there a difference that makes a difference?
> > By Roger Tucker
>
> > 20 February 2010
> > <snip>
>
> > If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, you better duck!
>
> > ***
>
> > said. The only difference between the Nazis and the zionists is
> > methodology
> > and timescale - for moral difference be there none.
>
> When tragedy becomes mass murder as gratuitous and stupifying as that
> in Gaza the moral conclusions drawn from it can not be further
> Solzhenitsyn did.
>
> ***
> There isn't enough space in the British Library to archive everything dickie
> knows nothing about.
>
>
>
> > By the way - and I am on a self-congratulatory roll, I must warn you - did
> > I
> > not say, these two months past, in my analysis of Turkish / Israeli
> > relations that the third of the four stages, after the second stage of
> > neutral disengagement, of the development of Turkey as the regional
> > counterbalance to Israel would be an active Turkish challenge to Israeli
> > authority - and has Johnny Turk not gone and rattled some Zionist cages
> > with
> > the promises of a seaborne convoy to Gaza?
>
> You did indeed predict it, but I missed the news item. It's
> embarrassing. Have you a key word or an url?
>
> ***
> couple of links here:http://mondoweiss.net/2010/02/turkey-vows-to-launch-berlin-airlift.htmlhttp://rodcoxandgaza.blogspot.com/http://www.ihh.org.tr/13572/en/
>
> ***
Thank you. I'd never seen either of those sites. Happy to add them to
my bookmarks.
Noah’s Ark to break embargo
Noah’s Ark to break embargo
Participants of Freedom to Palestine Convoy gathered at the IHH head
office. IHH President presented certificates of gratitude to the
participants and signaled another aid convoy by sea. He reiterated
foundation’s determination of organizing convoys unt
The people who took part in last month’s Freedom to Palestine Convoy
met at the head office of the IHH Humanitarian Relief Foundation in
Fatih, Istanbul. The 150 Turkish participants of the convoy got the
chance to meet the activists they travelled with. IHH President Bülent
Yıldırım presented the participants certificates in appreciation of
their efforts.
Yıldırım said the convoy achieved its goal and thanked everyone who
had contributed to convoy organization. He stated that the convoy
attracted attention of the international community to the humanitarian
situation of Gaza and added “ We had numerous
difficulties during the 26-day long journey but no one lost the hope.
Despite all difficulties we managed to enter Gaza and deliver
donations entrusted to us.”
Noah’s Ark
IHH President noted a fleet of aid ships to be named Noah’s Ark would
depart from Turkey in April 2010 to break Gaza embargo.
“We are planning to go to Gaza with a fleet of 20 ships to be set up
in an international organization probably in April 2010. Our aid ships
will continue to head for Gaza until Israeli embargo is lifted. The
cargo ships will carry Israeli-embargoed building materials,
generators, medication, medical equipment and educational materials.
The passenger ships to accompany the cargo ships will carry
journalists, human rights advocates, activists and lawmakers from
various countries,” Yıldırım said.
Support sought for ship buying
The IHH is planning to take part in the convoy with five ships.
Support of charitable businessmen of Turkey is sought to purchase
ships.
Volunteers can help fund ships and other materials with their
donations. For more information contact: 0212 631 21 21
---------------------------------------
TUESDAY, 2 FEBRUARY 2010
Turkey sending ten boats to break Gaza Siege
Turkish Charity IHH is now a Joint Venture Operator with FreeGaza to
send ten boats in Next Flotilla to break the siege.
The involvement of Turkish Charity IHH in becoming a joint venture
partner in sending siege-breaking boats to Gaza ratchets up the
pressure on Israel. Despite the bandaging of wounds following the
humiliation of the Turkish Ambassador, when Turkey threatened to end
diplomatic relations, Netanyahu has put his foot in it again, telling
France that mediation with Syria depends on a mediator both parties
can trust, such as France. This is a clear statement that Israel does
not trust Turkey, since Syria plainly does. The snub is great, since
Turkey were the mediators until recently, and were credited with
making ground between the sides. Commentators feel that in reality
Israel wants to kick Syria into the long grass, as it has done with
Palestine. Prime Minister of Turkey Erdogan has, as a result, again
blasted Israel, again raised Gaza as a symbol of Israeli aggression
and racism.
Soon IHH will be sending Turkish boats with Turkish crews: will Turkey
stand by while Israel stops and 'arrests' them, or turns them back?
This is shaping up to a crucial standoff, and the stakes are very
high, for if Israel loses face, Hamas will be strengthened in its
belief that Israel only understands force, and never negotiates, since
the UN and US and UK, come to that, have failed to negotiate any
relief for Gaza as friends.
Turkey risks not only losing face, and looking weak if Israel is
allowed to stop Turkish Merchant ships on a lawful activity, but if it
intervenes, it must have a strong diplomatic hand to prevent the US
and the UK from trying to get it out of the club of Israel Supporters
called NATO, and marginalising it along with all the other Moslem
states that have resisted Israel.
Below is an article from the Independent (UK) by Fisk, that shows how
Israel is prepared to use the mass murder of 1.5 million people
against Turkey, only when it suits it. Up to now it has supported
Turkey's cover up of the Pogrom, because it wants the Holocaust of
Jews to be unique. That way Jews are uniquely privileged to do things
others are not. It is shocking how they put pressure on Armenian
survivors of that Holocaust, that they will not even permit to be
Israeli citizens, to speak out against Turkey.
My dream is that Turkey admits its Holocaust, its Shoah, its ethnic
cleansing under Attaturk, bravely, and apologise, and compensate. Its
recent re-establishment of relations with Armenia is a good first
step. Let Turkey please show that it can settle the question of
refugees displaced by ethnic cleansing fairly.
Then let it defend its blockade breaking boats as they strive to do
the same for the people of Palestine.
coaste...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> On Mar 2, 7:21 am, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 1, 10:39 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >Were I in the White House
> > > the US Navy would be providing cover for the Turks and we'd be
> > > lobbying for their entry into the EU.
>
> > And H would be gloating over the potential for millions of dead Jews,
> > stacked like firewood, in the photos he so loved pouring over.
The particular Zionist Jews in question are acting barbarously. Is it
from themselves we must protect them? Or only from military action by
other powers? And if we're to protect them in one or both situations,
who is to write the scenario as to what "protection" consists of?
dsha...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> On Mar 3, 11:41 am, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 2, 7:21 am, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 1, 10:39 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > >Were I in the White House
> > > > the US Navy would be providing cover for the Turks and we'd be
> > > > lobbying for their entry into the EU.
>
> > > And H would be gloating over the potential for millions of dead Jews,
> > > stacked like firewood, in the photos he so loved pouring over.
>
> The particular Zionist Jews in question are acting barbarously.
Qui tacet consentire. Ergo, H gloats over the potential for millions
of dead Jews, stacked like firewood, just like those in the photos he
so loved pouring over.
Deborah
coaste...@yahoo.com
wrote:
> On Feb 26, 8:47 pm, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
On Mar 2, 7:21 am, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 1, 10:39 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > When tragedy becomes mass murder as gratuitous and stupifying as that
> > in Gaza the moral conclusions drawn from it can not be further
> > escalated. Ratner understands nothing about that,
> >Were I in the White House
> > the US Navy would be providing cover for the Turks and we'd be
> > lobbying for their entry into the EU.
>
> And H would be gloating over the potential for millions of dead Jews,
> stacked like firewood, in the photos he so loved pouring over.
This horrendous subject is raised by you, Deborah, and as a weapon, so
I am bound to rise to the occasion. Should there be millions of dead
in Israel or as the result of an incineration of New York City and
then in revenge of Berlin, Moscow and Warsaw, it will be because an
ideologically besotted leadership did not listen to critics who were
objectively friends. Among them you will find the shades of men and
women you demonized so viciously, such as Norman Finkelstein, Phil
Weiss, Noam Chomsky and little Miss Rachel Corrie. And somewhere in
that mass of critics great and small who tried to save both you and
ourselves from your leadership will be a fleeting memory even of me.
dsharavi
wrote:
> On Mar 2, 12:39 am, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 26, 8:47 pm, "Fish Supper" <l...@sea.com> wrote:
>
> On Mar 2, 7:21 am, dsharavi <dshara...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 1, 10:39 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > When tragedy becomes mass murder as gratuitous and stupifying as that
> > > in Gaza the moral conclusions drawn from it can not be further
> > > escalated. Ratner understands nothing about that,
> > >Were I in the White House
> > > the US Navy would be providing cover for the Turks and we'd be
> > > lobbying for their entry into the EU.
>
> > And H would be gloating over the potential for millions of dead Jews,
> > stacked like firewood, in the photos he so loved pouring over.
>
> This horrendous subject is raised by you, Deborah,
Bullshit, Miss Watson.
[snip typical Watsonian chatter]
You drooled over a series of sick photos here:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.jewish/msg/f4a51f85095c11be
I responded to your filth here:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.jewish/msg/b84a7a7718ca08a1
You loved every minute you spent pouring over those photos and
dreaming up your insensitive and asinine captions. I'm sure David Duke
sent you his best regards for your efforts.
On Feb 25, 8:13 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>There is no one unable to see parallels
> between Israel's treatment of Palestinians and German treatment of
> Jews during WWII. That includes you, Ratner and sharavi. All three of
> you see them.
lol. Not only does Hunter put words into others' mouths, and claim
they meant what they never intended -- now he's trying to dictate
what
others see. Talk about fascist behaviour.
> No one is trying to make a complete equation between the
> behavior of the SS and that of the Israeli Zionists. That's impossible
> and to try it would be dishonest. Nevertheless,
Nevertheless, Hunter and his ilk try their damnedest.
>it is also true that
> there are many obvious and damning parallels.
One wonders why none of these sonei Yisrael ever bother to note the
even more obvious and damning parallels which obtain under PA/Hamas
rule.
>And the fact that many
> Jews affect "outrage" at that very idea simply adds to its
> persuasiveness. One crime never justifies another.
Except if one is attempting to justify Palestinian crimes.
>For example, the
> photos in question show the following clear parallels:
> Fenced and barbed wired concentration camps.
The photo the left (ostensibly Germany 1940) shows the wrong sort of
fence, and could be of anything. The photo on the right is Israel's
security fence, which is more like the security fences in other
countries. And why aren't any of THOSE security fences mentioned?
They
were built -- between Saudia Arabia and Yemen, between India and
Pakistan in disputed Kashmir, between Thailand and Pakistan, between
the US and Mexico, between Poland and Belarus, between Lithuania and
Belarus, between Namibia and Angola, between Spanish Melilla and
Morocco,
> Walled concentration camps with prison-style observation towers.
The photo on the left is of Gęsiówka, a military prison of the Polish
Army on Anielewicza Street (formerly Gęsia Street) in Warsaw. In
1939,
upon the German occupation of Poland, it became a "re-education camp"
of the German security police.
Nothing to do with Israel security fence in the right photo, and to
suggest so is outrageous in the extreme.
> Fenced ways with "Halt!" signs with damned peoples behind them.
Oh those damned people. There's no "HALT" on the sign in the right
photo; just a hand, like "don't walk" signs.
> Prisoners herded together in tight security based on ethnicity.
A bunch of people of indeterminate "ethnicity" (maybe black?) on the
left; on the right, Afghan women under the Taliban.
> Women imprisoned because of their ethnicity.
Women of indeterminate ethnicity to the left; to the right, two
headscarved women who, whatever their "ethnicity", aren't Palestinian
Muslims.
> Children imprisoned because of their ethnicity.
Left photo: Jewish children imprisoned because their "RACE": Jewish.
Right photo: two kids looking through a tear in a canvas wall.
Next photos: in the left one, a dozen bone-thin children Jewish
children from one of the camps, staring at the camera with young-old
eyes; in the right one, three well-fed kids hanging over a wall,
looking over barbed wire.
> Women and children imprisoned because of their ethnicity.
Left: Women and a thin child behind a cyclone fence (not used in the
camps). Right: a girl and a fat old woman looking out a window inset
with decorative iron grillwork.
> Checkpoints associated with the abuse of large populations.
Left: A German soldier looking at one man's ID. Right: two teenage
Israeli soldiers and four other guys, doing who knows what.
> Humiliation of civilians at checkpoints.
To the left, Jewish men lined up, their hands in the air, before
German soliders; to the right, some guy dropping his drawers to check
for suicide bomb-wraps.
> Humiliation of civilians of despised ethnicities at gunpoint.
Left: Two thin young boys and one older man, hands in the air,
emerging from a ramshackle hut, under the guns of German soldiers.
Left: fat Palestinian women in a line at a checkpoint.
> Cowards humiliating civilians of despised ethnicities at gunpoint.
Left: A grinning German soldier and another soldier holding a rifle
on frightened Jewish women. Right:, a teenage Israeli soldier
pointing
a rifle at one Palestinian man in a line.
> Humiliation of civilians based on religion.
Left: a German soldier with a stick, a kneeling man in an
indeterminate costume, separate from a group of men in workmen's
dress. Right: two teenage Israeli soldiers, looking off to the right,
while a fat Palestinian woman, holding papers, squats at a tire
guard.
> Ethnic cleansing in action.
Left: a large group of men, one with a sack, heading off somewhere;
no
sign of soldiers. Right: a view of what appears to be setting up for
an indie exterior shoot, with, possibly, the caterer in the
background.
Left: thousands of Jews, guarded by armed Germans soldiers, standing
beside railroad tracks. Right: Dozens of Palestinians waiting in line
at a checkpoint.
> Life in concentration camps.
Dunno where Hunter got this from, unless he means the one to the
right, showing Jewish women and children (and an infant who will not
survive) being herded into a camp. Right: A few Palestinians going
through a turnstile, while a kid smiles at the camera and holds up
two
hands in peace signs.
> Control of movement in close confinement.
Right: German soldiers taunt an old Jew. Left: A teenage Israeli
soldier holds a gun on a fat Palestinian, while the fat Palestinian
explains something or other.
> The gratuitous humiliation of prisoners.
Left: Jews on their knees being forced to clean pools of Jewish blood
from Jews beaten to death earlier. Right: a drug bust in east LA.
> Prisoners up against walls execution style.
Left: Jewish men, women, and children, lined up against a wall, hands
above their head, against the wall, just before being shot to death.
Right: Men seated on the ground, heads leaning against a wall,
guarded
by one soldier, while two medics carry a body.
> Fascist-style murder of helpless civilians.
Left: Two smiling uniformed Germans, advancing on a bearded Jew lying
on the ground. Right: two police officials, wearing latext gloves,
another man in latext gloves pointing to a fourth man on the
grounding
bleeding from a bullet wound.
> The killing of civilians.
Left: three soldiers, one kneeing a fourth man in an overcoat. Right:
two Israeli soldiers aiming at two fleeing men at the stop of a
flight
of stone steps.
> Fascist hounds on the hunt.
Left: soldiers by RR tracks, hurrying into surrounding woods. Right:
Six Israeli soldiers hurrying down a street, while onlookers look on.
> Fascist intimidation by use of animals.
Left: Soldier with long stick, man on the ground, dog attacking from
other side. Right: Man in black on horseback trampling man on the
ground while crowd looks on from base and rooftops of two brick
structures.
> Fascist murderers on the prowl.
Left: Cropped photo of German soldier with rifle aimed and at the
ready [aimed at huddled Jewish mother and her infant, not shown].
Right: three Israeli soldiers, one holding his rifle at a stone wall.
> Ethnic neighborhoods destroyed.
Left: Six soldiers strolling past large building with heavy ornate
scrollwork, flames and smoke coming from windows. Right: tank
trundling past bombed out building.
> The devastation of the lives of children.
Left: Small boy squatting in the rubble of what could have been
London
during the Blitz, Berlin, St Lo.... Right: Small boy sitting in
rubble of what could be Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon....
Left: Indeterminate person in headrag, face in hands, seated before
rubble of buildings. Right: Fat Palestinian woman squatting in the
sun
outside a pockmarked building.
> Fascist indoctrination of children.
Left: smiling young Aryan member of Hitler Jungend. Right: Israeli
girls writing on missiles.
> The the reality of enduring the murder of children.
Left: thin Jewish woman cradling bone-thin child in the Warsaw
Ghetto. Right: Arab or Israeli man carrying the bloody body of a
young
boy, killed in one of the firefights between Hamas and PA, or killed
in Iraq, or Central or South America.
> Mass murder generally.
Left: Dead man, woman, and child, and several other bodies. Right:
Sheeted earthquake victims.
Left: Crowd of people moving past long row of heaped corpses. Right:
Fat Palestinian woman touching corpses in white body bag.
> Mass murder of children.
Left: Row of dead Jewish children and infants shot to death during
the
Khshinyov pogrom. Right: Four bloodstained children.
> Abuse and maiming of children.
Left: Starving Jewish women, children, and infants in the Warsaw
Ghetto. Right: two children on orange stretcher with soot-marks on
their faces and arms.
> The death of prisoners.
Left: Corpses of horribly emaciated Jewish children piled in a heap.
Right: Two children, eyes closed, with red stains daubed on their
cheeks and foreheads.
> The grief of their women.
Left: Woman in scarf pleading with man holding paper, while other
woman gaze away vacantly. Right: Old woman in white kerchief bawling,
beside woman in white hijab; other woman in hijabs behind them.
> More murdered children.
Left: Another shot of Jewish children shot during Khshinyov pogrom.
Right: same four bloodstained chidren as above, in different
positions.
> Orphaned or abandoned children.
Oh, bullshit. You can't tell that from a fewkin photo--especially in
the one on the right.
> Heaps of incinerated victims.
Left: ??? Stacks of corpses from one of the camps. Right: partially
incinerated bodies.
> More murdered children.
Left: Skeletally-emaciated dead boy. Right: Young girl's head in
rubble, possibly from Bhopal.
> CHILDREN intimidated by fascists at gunpoint.
Left: German soldiers rounding up Jewish women and children for
deportation to the camps. Right: pale-skinned boy in blue keffiyah
being hauled away by darker Israeli soldiers.
> So, Zev, you are a Zionist. What you see in those photos on the right
> side is Zionism in action. What you see on the left side is Nazism in
> action. That there are parallels is obvious.
And so, you see, Hunter, wants to dictate what people see. Again,
instead, he proves himself an antisemitic ass -- and an extremely
disgusting one at that. The only way he could have gotten through
those pictures is that he doesn't give a rat's ass for the subject
(except when the subject is dead Jews, or Jews about to become dead
Jews, which probably made him jump up and down for joy). That is what
is obvious, and so are his double standards.
Deborah
_ G O D _
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> "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> So, Zev, you are a Zionist. What you see in those photos on the right
>> side is Zionism in action. What you see on the left side is Nazism in
>> action. That there are parallels is obvious.
>
> And so, you see, Hunter, wants to dictate what people see. Again,
> instead, he proves himself an antisemitic ass -- and an extremely
> disgusting one at that. The only way he could have gotten through
> those pictures is that he doesn't give a rat's ass for the subject
> (except when the subject is dead Jews, or Jews about to become dead
> Jews, which probably made him jump up and down for joy). That is what
> is obvious, and so are his double standards.
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high security, or a high budget. The army that can defeat terrorism
does battle quietly, clearing minefields and vaccinating children. It
undermines military dictatorships and military lobbyists. It subverts
sweatshops and special interests.Where people feel powerless, it
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Zev
You know very well who might do that,
but you direct your wrath to someone else.
Not very manly, Hunter, and not what
I would call "rising to the occasion".
Tell it like it is.
> On Feb 26, 6:14 pm, drahcir <justrichardsmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 26, 7:10 pm, "iconocl...@yahoo.com" <coaster132...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > By Roger Tucker
> >
> that makes a difference? nazism and baseball - is there a difference
> course, are you.
> Drahcir,
> Would you prefer being a.) Drahcir a
> or c.) Drahcir promoting Zion-ism
> in America while labeling Americans: MORONS.
> Or, Drahcir one of 500 Jewish Department Heads in the Bolshevik
> Government of 1917.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > infinite entitlement based on perceived prior victimhood.
> >
> > > As for any arguments based on the obvious or perceived differences
> > > between Zionism and Nazism, we can easily dismiss them as
> > > superficialities, rather than any differences that make a difference.
> > > pathology and they are equally dangerous to the well being of
> > > never win in the end, because underneath the bluster they are abject
> > > cowards and cowardice can’t sustain itself in the long term. But that
> > > doesn’t mean we can just sit back and wait for them to meet their
> > > inevitable fate – as we have seen, they are capable of doing immense
> > > harm in the meantime.
> >
> > > All of the great wisdom traditions are in agreement that we are human
> > > beings first and anything else is at best a secondary characteristic.
> > > As long as there remains any confusion about this, various forms of
> > > fascism will arise and bedevil us. As long as we identify ourselves
> > > primarily in some tribal fashion, whether it's based on nationality,
> > > ethnicity, religion, gender or any parochial and exclusionary manner,
> > > then confusion and conflict will reign supreme. We shall indeed
> > > overcome, if we last that long, but only when it is universally
> > > understood that We refers to all of us. In the meantime, silence is
> > > complicity.
> >
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
http://aipac.org
http://adl.org
http://aljazeera.com
vs
http://voanews.com
MarcusAurelius
Tell it like it is.
> Thank you for the original post with which I agree. The Zionists have their own Gestapo like organizations just like the NAZIS. They control the American government which results in the unjust concentration of both political and economic power within the Jewish community in the USA. Every person, including Jews, should be treated as an individual. However, Americans must take heed and realized and defend themselves against international Zionism which is as radical politically, in many respects as Nazism.
http://adl.org
http://aipac.org
http://aljazeera.com
vs.
http://voanews.com
Tell it like it is.
Tell it like it is.
> Zionism and Nazism: is there a difference that makes a difference?
> By Roger Tucker
>
>
> Roger Tucker argues that Zionism and Nazism are "identical
> manifestations of the same basic pathology" and that they are "equally
> dangerous to the well being of humanity". He says that although