New Aussie startup seeking feedback: Webcred.it - half online credits / half verified CV

[Andrew Ballard]

Hi there folks, let me (re)introduce myself:

I'm Andrew Ballard - probably easier if you just called me 'AB' - I first introduced myself in 2008, with this post: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/silicon-beach-australia/mZOKD7xpHus/AbFJIuysapwJ

Sadly, MyPerfect is no more, but instead, I'd really value some constructive feedback on my new startup, Webcred.it

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Webcred.it is what IMDB is for movies, but for web sites. 

It's a centralised, industry-standard way of recognising all the people and technology that goes into making web sites. 

-- For the public, it's an industry reference: a behind-the-scenes record of the superstars and the unsung heroes who make the web sites we love to use. From designers, developers, copywriters, testers, marketers, photographers, BAs, DBAs, and many more roles. 

-- For those of us in the web industry, it's a formal way to validate our roles in the projects we've worked on over our career. Just like LinkedIn, it creates a list of our past experience, except at Webcred.it, it's organised into industry-standard roles on specific web sites.

As our web sites turn into larger and larger projects, it's time to give credit where credit's due. From senior roles right down to junior data-entry operators on short-term contracts - Webcred.it gives an opportunity for everyone in the industry to be recognised for their expertise.

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Silicon Beachers, during January, I'll keep the site in Private Alpha, then open the site for Public Beta in early February. I would really value anyone's time/feedback on the site - moreso during this Alpha stage.

To access the site, simply go to http://webcred.it and use the one-time password 'let.me.in' to get past the modal blocker.

From there, simply use the site as intended: 

- Log in with either a Facebook, Google, LinkedIn or Twitter account.

- Begin adding sites you've worked on and adding yourself to the credits on the roles that best fit.

- Invite colleagues who worked on those sites with you - they'll get an automatic invite to the site, too, and they can help you fill in the gaps on the site you collaborated on.

- Finally, verify the site to make it go public.

- Later, rinse, repeat. Spread the word with the 'let.me.in' in the next few weeks - feel free to invite others. (I'm keen to find the viral coefficient of inviting your colleagues...)

Your feedback to sup...@webcred.it or via the UserVoice widget would be greatly appreciated. 

In fact, I'd love to upgrade anyone who gives constructive feedback a free upgrade to 'Professional' status for the remainder of 2014.

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Many thanks in advance!

AB  a...@webcred.it

[Dean Collins]

Love it, very cool idea…..not sure you’ll be able to get the data (or keep it up to date), but best of luck to trying it.

 

 

Regards,

 

Dean Collins
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[Alex North]

Hey Andrew, nice idea. I considered something similar a while back and I'm really glad someone's building it.

I had a lot of trouble actually using it though, and was unable to add any data. I suggest you do a couple of sit-down usability tests to fix the most glaring UX issues and bugs.

Alex

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[Andrew Ballard]

Cheers Alex - my fault entirely for working on a 'feature' when my post went live on Silicon Beach.  I'm now relegating myself to the whole dev/stage/live routine, but dang it's nice to work directly on a live site when you know no-one's using it!

-- I'd love for you to give it another quick go. The Dashboard is fully operational now. It has complete confidence in it's mission.

AB

[mic...@testize.com]

Interesting... seems to be some work for us at www.testize.com to validate how really awesome and Cross-Mobile compliant sites are :)

How come the government site has spelling mistakes and cross-browser CSS issues - https://shots.testize.com/Results/Shared/12971a07-43fb-487d-9ba8-9b4113b971be :)

I think we have a new motto - "There are not good sites, there are sites that Testize haven't tested yet" :) 

[Rai]

Hey AB,

Ok, I'm in. Landed on my Dashboard and then spent abt 5 mins clicking around looking for how to add a web site.

On a cold start, you really wanna put the desired action front and centre.

In this case, the 'primary actions' are Adding my various online profiles (Google, FB etc) Which, firstly didn't make sense to me. I came in thinking primary focus of the product was web sites. So I ignored it and looked at the left bar for guidance.

My suggestion is to put a 'Add new site' button up the top under the username and profile pic. With some explanation/instruction. I wouldn't have had a clue as to what to do next had I not read the list you had in your email.

Will keep playing and report back on user flows. If not ping me privately and we can discuss.

Congrats on getting it up and out!
Rai

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[Andrew Ballard]

Thanks Rai - great feedback - it's near-impossible to fully put yourself into a brand new user's shoes... What's insanely obvious to me is outright invisible to others...

-- I've demoted the section where you can add your other social profiles. 

-- I've promoted the 'Add a New Site' to be first in the tabs on the Dashboard.

I'll now work on a set of popup actions for a new user/the null-state. And put the Add New Site link in the drop down under the avatar.

Much appreciated. AB

[Rai]

Also, I tried after I sent last email out but was unable to add a site. Add site modal disappears and I'm back on the 'home' page with nothing added. Which I think is the same issue Alex reported.

Rai

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[Andrew Ballard]

Indeed. Debugged and good to go - you can Add a Site both via the modal in the dashboard, and via the top nav.

Whew! Baptism by fire. Love it - keep it coming. Really appreciated. 

AB

[Tom Allen]

Well, if you insist... :-P

* The numbers of users, etc don't correspond correctly with the rendered view. (Actually, you're good - looks like you've fixed it since lunchtime!)

* The suggested "Need to get your name on to This is Complicated's webcred.its?" doesn't correspond to the page you're viewing. e.g. I copied that text from http://webcred.it/site/www.ecommerceconsultantmelbourne.com.au

On a brighter note, I also like this idea - good luck with it!

Tom

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[Andrew Ballard]

Ah! Thanks Tom. In both cases, too much caching on my end... I'll uncache those portions - take the 1% performance hit - and reevaluate the optimisation issue another time. 

AB

[Craig Stump]

That font you're using ("IM Fell English") does nothing for the design. Surely you want to be seen as a cutting edge internet based resource, rather than a printed document from the 1800's?

[Michael Ridland]

Hi Andrew

Great idea. 

Is it going to be available for Mobile Apps and Software Products?

Thanks

Michael

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[Michael Ridland]

Oh and a LinkedIn import could be a good idea.

[Andrew Ballard]

@Craig: thanks for that. Fair call - I'm not wedded to the font by any means, and as the site fills with content, the tone needs to change, also. Any suggestions on a Google font that's not going to be instantly out-of-fashion like some of the other ultralight Metro/iOS7 typefaces? http://www.google.com/fonts

@Michael: 

- easy enough technically to branch sideways and add mobile apps / desktop software - can you suggest a method of verifying that someone 'owns' that product? That would be the clincher!

- re: LinkedIn import: there's a fair amount that can be asked for and obtained via the LinkedIn OAuth - what specifically would you wish to be imported? Recent jobs? Colleagues? LinkedIn's (fairly new) Projects feature?

Thanks folks. I've ticked the box to upgrade you both to 'Professionals'. We'll enrich the features/benefits of that upgrade in the coming weeks.

AB

[Shane Greenup]

I had a go. Added two of my sites, but they didn't appear in the list of sites - do you have to verify to before they appear?

Shane

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http://www.ShaneGreenup.com

 

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[Andrew Ballard]

Thanks Shane, yes, the idea is that until you verify your newly added site, it doesn't go live. 

This is to stop you from claiming that you single-handedly built Reddit or Google.com, for that matter ; )

-- Presently, the only way to verify a site is the default-Google-Webmaster-method of putting a blank but uniquely-named text file in your site's root.

-- I'm looking for feedback on other methods to verify a site, for instance, for when you only have access to either the CSS files, or the CMS/content aspect of a site. Hoping to find alternative methods that allow relatively painless verification, without the chance of being gamed...

I'll also make the Verification process a little more apparent/directed in the next few days. Really value your feedback, Shane. Huge thanks. AB

[Dean Collins]

I cant delete a role that I’ve entered as a duplicate accidentally - http://webcred.it/links/delete/910e4582101966c529382e3615c1cbcd

 

 

Cheers,

Dean

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[Alex North]

IMO you should ditch the hard verification and replace it with a community/trust/vote thing, Stack Overflow style. I no longer have access to most of the sites I built because I'm an individual contributor, not an agency. Most of the "application"-style sites would be built this way, their creators having moved on to other things.

I was about to list some of my work, but now learning it will never be shown makes it kinda pointless.

(Also +1 for expanding to all consumer technology including apps and devices).

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[Shane Greenup]

Seconded. I technically have access to all of my sites, but the idea of uploading a file to the root directory just feels like pointless busy work at the moment.

I saw another verification system last night for http://www.startupranking.com/ which verified from a tweet from the official twitter account, or an email from the domain - which seem to both be manually checked. I'm currently waiting for verification from a tweet

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http://www.rbutr.com

 

http://www.ShaneGreenup.com

 

[Andrew Ballard]

Cheers, Alex - that's exactly the kind of feedback I was after.

-- Verification (or validation) it at the heart of the concept, so it's an important to get it right. Movies are a one-time thing, but web sites morph or get completely reworked over time - and being able to work the historic angle is something I'd love to try to capture. 

You are indeed part of the target market for Webcred.it: an individual expert who couldn't be recognised for their expertise on a particular project.

-- Happy to explore the Stack Overflow herd-type verification... How do you see it working? What would be a minimum criteria to go live? How would conflict be resolved? How would we stop that 13 year old kid from Molvanîa claiming they built the entire internet?

Thanks in advance, Alex, everyone - really appreciate your time/thoughts...   AB

[Craig Stump]

"How would we stop that 13 year old kid from Molvanîa claiming they built the entire internet?" - Cross that bridge when you get to it. For now, the verification process is a massive traction barrier. I'd go with a trust system until you start to see dodgy data.

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[Andrew Ballard]

I am officially buying everyone on this thread a beer/coffee: awesome feedback.

I'll allow sites to go live without verification, and fall back to requiring verification only if there's a conflict. The file-in-your-web-root-system can be the ultimate arbiter, but yes: it's overly onerous to decent peace-loving folk.

Give me one hour, two coffees, and try again, Alex/Craig/Shane. Cheers : )

[Shane Greenup]

I completely second Craigs comment above. The fear of spam is so strong in all of us that we set up all of the anti-spam anti-gaming anti-abuse systems, and then no one even uses it let alone tries to abuse the system.

We required registrations for rbutr from the beginning, because we couldn't let people add rebuttals with no accountability! Everyone would add anything! It would be hell!

Except it wouldn't be. To date, two years in, we still don't have any spam or any abuse of any kind. Early adopters don't tend to spam - that comes well after massive growth. ie: It isn't worth spamming a system until the spam will actually be seen by hundreds of thousands of people - so keep it really simple at the start, and resist the urge to protect yourself against your fears. Fears are mostly misplaced.

I wish we didn't require registration for people to add rebuttals to rbutr - but it is so hard coded in to our database now, that it would require a lot of work to undo it, so it will have to stay this way until we have spare resources to undo this simple cliched decision.

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[Andrew Ballard]

I'm sure there's a -phobia for fear of your startup being spammed/hacked - and like all founders, I have it. [shakes fist at all the kids in Molvania]

Thanks Shane. Epic. 

**The site is now verification-free.**  All your previously hidden sites are now live in all their glory. 

-- This will now allow unfettered access to historic web sites you've worked on. Simply edit the 'Version' name to a date that's roughly accurate (for sorting purposes).

-- This *will also* now allow for the collection of credits for Mobile Apps and Desktop Software, since there's no need to do a curl to check anyone's web root. Conflict/spam may still arise but I. Will. Resist. The. Urge. (for now)

   Mobile Apps / Software Applications...   Other categories of things needing centralised credits?  I guess go for Games, too - they typically have them, but are they centralised? Why the heck not.

I'm gonna need a bigger coffee.

[Saxon Druce]

Hi Andrew,

   Mobile Apps / Software Applications...   Other categories of things needing centralised credits?  I guess go for Games, too - they typically have them, but are they centralised? Why the heck not.

You might want to take a look at http://www.mobygames.com/ for something similar which already exists for games.

Saxon

 

[Andrew Ballard]

Thanks Saxon. Yes, Games are covered by various sites to different levels of depth and ease of use.

I'll work on adding Apps (Mobile Apps of any flavour) and Software (Desktop and/or Enterprise) very shortly. Games can wait until Phase X, and other software-type categories seem too small a market (Widgets) or already centralised (Code nuggets/complete open-source frameworks on Github, etc)

Cheers! AB

[Marat]

"industry-standard way of recognising all the people and technology that goes into making web sites". What is industry standard in this case?

[Andrew Ballard]

Thanks Marat - yes, in lieu of any formal, global, industry-body industry standard, I've had to amalgamate various sources to come up with the list of 200-plus Roles on Webcred.it.

They should form a good starting point for a new industry standard, but I'll take any feedback for more roles, or for further delineation. 

-- I'd be grateful if you knew of any other sources for job titles/roles specific to the web/software industries.

With many thanks, AB.

[paradi...@gmail.com]

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[Dean Collins]

Some major problems with this are as follows

1/ you cant delete people/roles eg http://webcred.it/edit/face28b5c4bbe0d3e77c921e0e38bbba

2/ the outbound email is black…..you cant read jack (and cant even see the url to click)

3/ even after entering the details for LiveFanChat I cant see the roles on the site (eg my business role).


Great idea…needs work on the execution.

 

 

Cheers,

Dean

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[Aaron Christiansen]

Hey there AB

I have not looked at site admin functionality, but might do so soon.

It's the user's fault entirely, but imo you should vet email addresses and at least make sure they are well formed. (email popup, you might enjoy the log, dunno)

When clicking [Visit site], I'd open it in a new tab. I realise you can Ctrl+click, but would still do it by default so you keep people on your site. My work flow often involves finding a list and opening multiple pages from said list, then checking them out, to finally return to original list.

I realise design and aesthetics is entirely subjective, but I'd like to see the site far sexier than it is. The templates from sites like https://wrapbootstrap.com/ is one example where you can get the entire template, often including mobile versions, for not much cost. And some of them look really good. I have not looked at their applicability to your specific site, but offer it as a suggestion. There are plenty of template sites around now.

I wish you well with the project.

Aaron

[Andrew Ballard]

Many thanks Dean. Really appreciate the time you're taken.

1/ you cant delete people/roles eg http://webcred.it/edit/face28b5c4bbe0d3e77c921e0e38bbba

I'm having trouble trying to reproduce the issue. That might mean it's browser level...  Can you let me know your platform/browser of choice?

 

2/ the outbound email is black…..you cant read jack (and cant even see the url to click)

Working on it now. Dang.

 

3/ even after entering the details for LiveFanChat I cant see the roles on the site (eg my business role).

This one is a little more nuanced: 

  - because of the above email issue, your colleagues were not properly invited.. my bad entirely. 

  - but the reason why you didn't appear is that you invited yourself on another email...? Then we hit the above email issue.

When editing a site, the moment you click into the 'Add a new name' field, you're presented with a 'Me' option by default, as well as any other colleagues that you've already listed on the site. It's simple shortcut, but hopefully a timesaver.

 

Great idea…needs work on the execution. 

Cheers, Dean

Thanks Dean -  it's been a busy/rough/encouraging couple of days.  Onwards and upwards!  AB

[Dean Collins]

Win 7 64 OS

IE10 browser.

 

 

Cheers,

Dean

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[Craig Stump]

IE?! What the?

[Dean Collins]

Yep ….have had both firefox and chrome installed on my various pc’s over the years….and for whatever reason I prefer the font rendering in IE and because I read a heck of a lot online…..just the way it is.

 

……but of course feel free to be all smug and superior and cool……but remember a significant number of your clients are still using it so who cares if your apps don’t work in IE  :P

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[Matto Rochford]

Good luck with the site Andrew, and well done. Coupla thoughts:

1. The film frame icon doesn't work for me - what is it meant to represent? People and tools icons I understand.

2. Suggest you add those icons to the top left nav next to Sites, Names, Roles, Tech, to provide a visual key of what they mean, and also use those icons as as part of group headings on each individual website's page.

The business idea for Webcred.it has some overlap with a project I'm working on, so I'll be particularly interested in your progress.

I'm only mentioning that because I just think it would be weird not to. But I'm not your competition. I'll post about my thing in this group later in the year.

And great to see how much useful feedback this group has given you. So generous.

- Matto

On Thursday, 23 January 2014 10:40:38 UTC+11, Andrew Ballard wrote:

Hi there folks, let me (re)introduce myself:

I'm Andrew Ballard - probably easier if you just called me 'AB' - I first introduced myself in 2008, with this post: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/silicon-beach-australia/mZOKD7xpHus/AbFJIuysapwJ

Sadly, MyPerfect is no more, but instead, I'd really value some constructive feedback on my new startup, Webcred.it

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Webcred.it is what IMDB is for movies, but for web sites. 

[Andrew Ballard]

Cheers Matto - much appreciated.

Good idea re: continuing the icons throughout to assist with adding more to their meaning...  and re: the Film Icon for 'Roles', it's MVP and Glyphicons (http://getbootstrap.com/components/) as the easy option - but if there's a better symbol for 'Roles' (Glyphicons or otherwise) I'd be glad to hear anyone's thoughts...

Hop onto webcred.it, Matto, and I'll upgrade you to 'Professional' status. I'll determine exactly what that means this week!

And yes: very grateful for the excellent feedback from all quarters. Big picture stuff / small bugs / refining the message / feature requests - it's been great to get the groups' critiques and reactions. I'll look forward to your project when it unstealths : )

AB

[Matto Rochford]

AB, I've signed in via Twitter.

That's some impressive turnaround from suggestion to implementation. Way to ingratiate yourself.

I hear you on the MVP. All advice here should be auto-prefixed with the string "Just in case you're not already planning to do this..."

One more thought (just in case you're not already planning to do this) - "People" might be a better label than "Names" at top left.

Carry on.

[Andrew Ballard]

Thanks Matto. Names -> People: check. Three guesses what my database tablename is for that entity.

-- Keep the streams of consciousness coming! would now love any feedback on the heart of the site: adding other colleagues to your sites, and watching them be invited to do the same.

I'm planning on iterating the site hard the next few days, then taking off the blocker/going Public Beta on Monday. 

There's 5-fold the number of people on the waiting list than registered users at the moment - I'm keen to assess the viral component of inviting colleagues.

Again, huge thanks! AB

[Rai]

Hey AB,

Ummm.... so I don't know how this happened, but I've managed to add someone without a name. http://webcred.it/site/bb1979a8be8c9d10e151871428ae3cbb

I typed in name, clicked Add, and item displayed asking for email with the name eaten up. (See ss)

Also, and this is a bit funny, a bit WTF, there is no where for me to add myself. Only collecting dev and design? Not product, front end or any others?
Maybe add a section Others with ability to add skills per person?

Or have I got this completely wrong and should only be adding sites that belong to me, not those I have worked on?

Rai

On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Andrew Ballard <abrebu...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi there folks, let me (re)introduce myself:

I'm Andrew Ballard - probably easier if you just called me 'AB' - I first introduced myself in 2008, with this post: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/silicon-beach-australia/mZOKD7xpHus/AbFJIuysapwJ

Sadly, MyPerfect is no more, but instead, I'd really value some constructive feedback on my new startup, Webcred.it

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Webcred.it is what IMDB is for movies, but for web sites. 

It's a centralised, industry-standard way of recognising all the people and technology that goes into making web sites. 

-- For the public, it's an industry reference: a behind-the-scenes record of the superstars and the unsung heroes who make the web sites we love to use. From designers, developers, copywriters, testers, marketers, photographers, BAs, DBAs, and many more roles. 

-- For those of us in the web industry, it's a formal way to validate our roles in the projects we've worked on over our career. Just like LinkedIn, it creates a list of our past experience, except at Webcred.it, it's organised into industry-standard roles on specific web sites.

As our web sites turn into larger and larger projects, it's time to give credit where credit's due. From senior roles right down to junior data-entry operators on short-term contracts - Webcred.it gives an opportunity for everyone in the industry to be recognised for their expertise.

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Silicon Beachers, during January, I'll keep the site in Private Alpha, then open the site for Public Beta in early February. I would really value anyone's time/feedback on the site - moreso during this Alpha stage.

To access the site, simply go to http://webcred.it and use the one-time password 'let.me.in' to get past the modal blocker.

From there, simply use the site as intended: 

- Log in with either a Facebook, Google, LinkedIn or Twitter account.

- Begin adding sites you've worked on and adding yourself to the credits on the roles that best fit.

- Invite colleagues who worked on those sites with you - they'll get an automatic invite to the site, too, and they can help you fill in the gaps on the site you collaborated on.

- Finally, verify the site to make it go public.

- Later, rinse, repeat. Spread the word with the 'let.me.in' in the next few weeks - feel free to invite others. (I'm keen to find the viral coefficient of inviting your colleagues...)

Your feedback to sup...@webcred.it or via the UserVoice widget would be greatly appreciated. 

In fact, I'd love to upgrade anyone who gives constructive feedback a free upgrade to 'Professional' status for the remainder of 2014.

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Many thanks in advance!

AB  a...@webcred.it

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[Andrew Ballard]

Howdy Rai - you've done well, and your timing on the feedback is perfect...   : )

-- Adding someone without a name ...isn't something I had considered. I'll, uh, close that loophole tomorrow!

-- And re: your WTF moment - there are (good grief!) 226 Roles available for your selection, but segmented into 4 different sizes of web site: Micro / Standard / Huge & Epic. 

There's a big blue button on the site edit screen to choose your level of detail...  By default, new sites are set to 'Micro', but I'll:

     a) make the button insanely obvious (prob a slider, not a popup), and 

     b) default new sites to 'Standard', as least. 

     -- If I started you on the full 226-Role 'Epic' site, I'd give you another 'WTF' moment from the overkill ; )

Huge thanks Rai. If you're around tomorrow, I'll DM you to follow up on the above...

AB