On Mar 1 2012 3:58 PM, Wilhelm Kuhlmann wrote:
> On Mar 1, 1:20 pm, "bratt" <a890...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > On Mar 1 2012 2:54 PM, Wilhelm Kuhlmann wrote:
>
> > > LOL. Ted Kennedy was a murderer, but Chris McAdam and Kevin Coxen are
> > > "normal people"? There is something fundamentally fucked up in how
> > > you judge people.
>
> > And yet you seem to be judging Beldin and Skillz over Ted Kennedy. How
> > fucked up is that?
>
> Not at all, are you kidding me???
Then why did you bring skillz and beldin into it, if not to say that
Kennedy is somehow a better person
And I stand by that statement, and stand by my statement the Ted Kennedy
was scum.
>
> Regular people??? Regular fucking people??? Are you fucking nuts???
> They are two of the biggest freaks I have ever encountered. Maggot is
> a pathological liar and demented sociopath, while Kevin is an extreme
> paranoid schizophrenic.
>
> > I never said YOU were a normal
> > person, but I will defend your right to write what you want as long as you
> > don't constantly pull people families into it. What I said was that they
> > have every right to their opinions as you or anyone else does.
>
> > > You do know that murder implies intent to kill, right? So is it your
> > > contention that Kennedy deliberately drove his car into the water at
> > > Chappaquiddick with the intent of killing Mary Jo Kopechne???
>
> > Not sure of the definition of murder, but what do you call someone who
> > intentionally leaves someone to die and not seek help?
>
> Wow, Susan. No evidence that he intentionally left her to die, and he
> did seek help --
>
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident
>
> "Kennedy recalled later that he was able to swim free of the vehicle,
> but Kopechne was not. Kennedy claimed at the inquest that he called
> Kopechne's name several times from the shore, then tried to swim down
> to reach her seven or eight times, then rested on the bank for around
> fifteen minutes before returning on foot to Lawrence Cottage, where
> the party attended by Kopechne and other "Boiler Room Girls" had
> occurred."
Did you forget to post this part? The paragraph between the two you
posted?
n addition to the working telephone at the Lawrence Cottage, according to
one commentator, his route back to the cottage would have taken him past
four houses from which he could have telephoned and summoned help;
however, he did not do so.[10] The first of those houses, referred to as
"Dike House", was 150 yards away from the bridge, and was occupied by
Sylvia Malm and her family at the time of the incident. Malm stated later
that she had left a light on at the residence when she retired for that
evening.[11]
>
> "According to Kennedy's testimony, Gargan and party co-host Paul
> Markham then returned to the waterway with Kennedy to try to rescue
> Kopechne. Both of the other men also tried to dive into the water and
> rescue Kopechne multiple times. When their efforts to rescue Kopechne
> failed, Kennedy testified, Gargan and Markham drove with Kennedy to
> the ferry landing, both insisting multiple times that the accident had
> to be reported to the authorities."
>
> After reading the entire Wikipedia article, the only point I see on
> which Kennedy can be faulted is that he did not promptly notify the
> police.
His own words - "Instead of looking directly for a telephone after lying
exhausted in the grass for an undetermined time, I walked back to the
cottage where the party was being held and requested the help of two
friends, my cousin, Joseph Gargan and Phil Markham, and directed them to
return immediately to the scene with me -- this was sometime after
midnight -- in order to undertake a new effort to dive down and locate
Miss Kopechne. Their strenuous efforts, undertaken at some risk to their
own lives, also proved futile."
And, he called a lawyer BEFORE calling police the next day.
What would you or anyone else be saying if this was Breitbart? What would
the sentence have been if he was not a Kennedy?