OT: What would Bub have done?
Paul Popinjay
student/hoodlums got up in his face on some side street like that? Notice
that the only RGPers who responded were Susan, TheFred, Irish Mike, Clueless
Dave, and Howard Beale. The congressman was a democrat. To me this just
reads like a typical partisan post, with no objectivity whatsoever.
I saw the video. And I don't really see where the congressman did anything
wrong. Of course, I can look past his party affiliation and see the
incident for what it appears to be. In my opinion his only crime is being a
democrat. What would have happened if he was a republican? My guess is
that you would not have had Bub making a post about it, and you would not
have Susan, Dave, Irish Mike, and Howard Beale expressing their disapproval.
That's what I think
XaQ Morphy
> I'm just wondering, what would Bub have done if two little punk
> student/hoodlums got up in his face on some side street like that? Notice
> that the only RGPers who responded were Susan, TheFred, Irish Mike, Clueless
> Dave, and Howard Beale. The congressman was a democrat. To me this just
> reads like a typical partisan post, with no objectivity whatsoever.
Who is Bub?
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ramashiva
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As I posted in bub's thread --
Yawn. Kid is a cowardly punk. Blurs out his face in the video and
refuses repeated requests to identify himself. If you are actually a
reporter, you identify yourself and your news organization upon
request.
Plus, we don't know what else these punks might have said to Etheridge
to provoke him. For all we know, the cameraman was holding a sign
that said --
"Bob Etheridge is a faggot."
Here is some more discussion of the incident. I love the title --
"So, who were the young men hassled by Bob Etheridge?"
Huh? THEY were hassling him. I guarantee you these punks won't turn
out to be "students" working on a "project".
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/06/so_who_were_the_students_hassl.html
So, who were the young men hassled by Bob Etheridge?
We still don't know. I have asked program managers at several
conservative organizations whether they know the identities of the two
people in this video who say they are "students ... working on a
project" and who are rewarded for their inquisitiveness by being
manhandled by Rep. Bob Etheridge (D-N.C.).
And since I'm getting a ton of e-mail on this: I don't condone what
Etheridge did at all, in any way. It was disgraceful. If he had a
problem with fielding a simple question from a young man who didn't
want to identify himself, he should have walked away, not grabbed his
arm.
That said, we can't determine what will happen to Etheridge --
whether, for example, the young man will file a complaint against him
-- because we don't know who these "students" are. (I use the quotes
because the people in the video use that word to identify themselves,
and we can't confirm whether it's accurate.) Robert Stacy McCain talks
to a conservative operative who explains who or what kind of activists
the "students" might be.
The operative, who has been responsible for numerous undercover
("black ops") political projects, compared the two students to a
military "hunter-killer team" -- the tandem of a sniper and a spotter.
The operative did not want to disclose the tactics and strategy of
such projects, but said that we can expect to see more video
confrontations during what Mike Flynn of BigGovernment.com predicts
will be a "long hot summer." ... It is unlikely that the students
involved in the Etheridge incident will claim responsibility, my
conservative operative source suggests, because doing so would expose
them to reprisals by staffers for the Democratic Congressional
Campaign Committee.
This is actually a bit unusual in Washington. Politicians can expect
journalists or political operatives, some armed with cameras, to
occasionally lie in wait for them outside fundraisers. Sometimes they
strike gold, as when Republican trackers captured video of
Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley exiting a lobbyist
fundraiser (damaging enough on its own) and one of the then-Senate
candidate's aides accidentally pushing reporter John McCormack over a
railing. (The aide apologized to McCormack.) But it's something else
to ask the people with the cameras who they are and get nonanswers
about "students" and "projects." This is why I originally asked who
"TMZ'd" Etheridge, as that gossip site often posts videos from people
who identify themselves, to celebrities, as "fans," without revealing
their names or their plans to post the videos they take.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Howard Beale
What the heck are you talking about? Have you become unhinged also?
Howard Beale
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Paul Popinjay
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> What the heck are you talking about? Have you become unhinged also?
>
Want to be objective and honest about it Howard? If so, I will continue to
leave the door open for discussion.
Number one, What might YOU have done in the congressman's shoes?
Also, who exactly were these "students" and how did they approach the
congressman? Anybody can set something up like this. Both sides do it all
the time. Why did the "students" necessarily have a camera with them? Was
it that pertinent to the questions they wanted to ask? Also, why didn't
they approach the congressman in a more public area?
But the main thing I want you to answer is what you would have done in his
shoes, and also if you think this would seem so troubling to you if it had
been a republican congressman. Also, do you think if it had been a
republican, do you think Bub would have posted this in the first place?
If you can answer these questions honestly, I will leave the door to
discussion open. Any side-stepping, hmmming and hawing, and the door shuts.
I don't have time for partisan dishonesty.
Dave the Clueless
Easy, PP. All I did was say 'BUT BUSH' so Jerry and Doggy wouldn't have
to. Settle down. Have some dip.
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> Easy, PP. All I did was say 'BUT BUSH' so Jerry and Doggy wouldn't have
> to. Settle down. Have some dip.
>
Then are you saying you don't have an opinion on this matter? If you do,
why not just state your opinion instead of side-stepping with the reply you
just made? I guess I'm just asking, can any of us EVER expect any honesty
from someone like you? Or is it going to be partisan cherry-picking from
here to eternity?
susan
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Let's see - this is an elected official being asked a policy question.
Yep - calls for violence in my book.
Paul Popinjay
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> I guarantee you these punks won't turn
> out to be "students" working on a "project".
Perhaps some RGPers would like to bet a few bucks on this? I'm guessing
they won't.
Surely the truth will come out about these "students" in the week upcoming.
Paul Popinjay
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>
> Let's see - this is an elected official being asked a policy question.
> Yep - calls for violence in my book.
What violence was that, Susan? I guess we must have viewed different
videos.
Y'know, I would expect such flagrant and obviously dishonest tactics from
Bub and the rest of his ilk like Dave, Irish Mike, and Howard Beale, but I
am surprised to see you stooping to their level.
susan
I saw the video where he grabbed the mans wrist and tried (can't tell if he
succeeded or not) to knock the camera out of his hand. And then he briefly
grabbed his neck. What one did you watch?
I am stooping to no level - I am relaying what I saw. You are stooping to
willies ass height.
da pickle
"susan"
> I saw the video where he grabbed the mans wrist and tried (can't tell if
> he succeeded or not) to knock the camera out of his hand. And then he
> briefly grabbed his neck. What one did you watch?
As a 2 out of 10, this is a teehee at best. Obviously, it is a battery ...
I wonder if the kid will press charges. I doubt he will because he is
getting more out of it as the victim. The Congressman has issued an
effusive apology. Good enough.
Lincoln was a brawler ... politics were much more "beat the shit out of your
opponent" back then. Sort of like Koreans in their legislature ... or
whatever they call it.
croupe
some other (R) - but risky or Orange (or you) would have.
B. Regardless of how he was provoked, he should have kept on walking -
he definitely reacted poorly and probably deserves to be charged - but
I would like to see the unedited version of the footage.
C. Although the question was not delivered particularly well, what's
wrong with telling the guy your name? "I'm Dave Johnson from
RepublicansRule.com" probably would have ended the whole thing - but
that would have defeated the purpose.
D. If someone asked me, as a congressman, if I "support the Obama
agenda?", I would have responded - "Parts of it." If he asked "Which
parts?" I would have said, "The parts I like." - interview over.
E. If it were me and the kid shoved a camera in my face, there would
have been a broken camera and a bloody nose involved (maybe mine,
maybe his - who knows), but I am not a congressman.
Croupe
ramashiva
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> "ramashiva" <ramash...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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I doubt we will ever know who they are. This story became a national
news story after Andrew Breitbart posted a video link on his website
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Talking Points Memo characterizes the "student" as "an activist
affiliated with Andrew Breitbart's Big Government project." TPM also
notes --
"Breitbart and his associates have a history of ambushing members and
other political foes under false pretenses and editing video footage
to present the fallout in the worst possible light."
William Coleman (ramashiva)
susan
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yep
susan
da pickle
> http://www.breitbart.tv/complete-un-edited-etheridge-video-camera-1complete-un-edited-etheridge-video-camera-1/
>
>
> http://www.breitbart.tv/complete-un-edited-etheridge-video-camera-2/
It is actually worse with both cameras. The students are silly for not just
telling him their names, but the congressman acted egregiously.
susan
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yep both cameras unedited
It amazes me how some are offering the defense *he was set up*. If he was,
I guess that makes his actions acceptable?
ramashiva
> yep both cameras unedited
You stupid cunt. The face of the "student" was blurred out. That's
editing. There is no way of knowing what other editing was done.
Breitbart is a well known liar. Naturally you are dumb enough to
believe him.
> It amazes me how some are offering the defense *he was set up*.
The point is, the "students" were not interested in getting an answer
to their question. If they were, they would have simply identified
themselves. They were interested in creating an incident, and they
succeeded. Now the entire right-wing noise machine is whining about
it.
> If he was, I guess that makes his actions acceptable?
Technically he committed assault and battery. Big fucking deal.
What's hilarious is that these two "students" were totally punked by a
70-year-old man. He could have kicked both their asses if he wanted
to. He knew it. They knew it.
Never send boys to do a man's job. And don't whine after you shove a
camera in someone's face and get punked.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
susan
"ramashiva"
>You stupid cunt.
You're so cute Willie - I just love you
K9way
> On Jun 14 2010 1:44 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
>
> > I'm just wondering, what would Bub have done if two little punk
> > student/hoodlums got up in his face on some side street like that? Notice
> > that the only RGPers who responded were Susan, TheFred, Irish Mike,
Clueless
> > Dave, and Howard Beale. The congressman was a democrat. To me this just
> > reads like a typical partisan post, with no objectivity whatsoever.
>
> Who is Bub?
>
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> yep both cameras unedited
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Willie, you seem, well, irritable.
That time of the month again?
O-PGManager
> The congressman was a democrat. To me this just
> reads like a typical partisan post, with no objectivity whatsoever.
I would rarely be called objective around here when it comes to partisan
politics but personally I think the congressmen was a huge jackass and I'm
glad to see Fox News running with the story.
If it was some kind of edit/cut and paste/misrepresented hit job the way
the ACORN video was then Etheridge could've questioned the veracity of the
footage at his apology press conference. If the victims were provoking
him with some sort of inflammatory sign as Ramashiva considered, Etheridge
also could've mentioned that.
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> "susan" <hotd...@charter.net> wrote in message
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>> Let's see - this is an elected official being asked a policy question.
>> Yep - calls for violence in my book.
>
>
> What violence was that, Susan? I guess we must have viewed different
> videos.
We don't see him grab the kid's arm, that was edited out, so I give him
a pass on that. But grabbing the kid around the neck was a misdemeanor.
If the kid had grabbed him like that the kid would be in jail.
As the paparrazi prove every day, citizens have a right to photograph
celebrities (including Congressmen) in public, and to shout questions.
They have no obligation to identify themselves.
There may be more provocation on parts edited out, but nothing in the
posted video comes close to justifying the Congressman's actions (no
matter which party he belongs to).
One thing about this is right, though: people are lining up on it
according to their politics (when the boorish and probably criminal
actions have nothing to do with party).
susan
"nobody"
> We don't see him grab the kid's arm, that was edited out, so I give him a
> pass on that.
different cameras - but #2 clearly shows him grabbing the kids arm.
http://www.breitbart.tv/complete-un-edited-etheridge-video-camera-2/