Marvel cartoons series? What to do?
Kevin
pretty good, but to me, generally, they have been lacking. Be it story or
animation quality, Marvel just doesn't seem to have the same magic as DC. I
loved Justice League and Justice League Unlimited. The Batman/ Superman
series of the 90's was pretty good, too. Marvel had a few good spots (90's
Spiderman, X-men: Evolution, and yes, Wolverine and the X-men [seems to be
picking up some steam]). But for every good attempt, there's shows that seem
to go in circles and not get anywhere (The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man:
Armored Adventures). The 90's X-men seemed lacking in animation quality and
the storyline seemed to wander a bit. Don't even get me started on the
Avengers and Spider-man Unlimited...
Anyhoo, my question is this: What is wrong with Marvel animation? Any chance
of righting the wrong? Can Marvel rebound and put out decent cartoons? Me,
I'd like to see Mavel cartoons that:
1) accurately retells the comic stories, even back from the 60's. Start an
X-Men and/ or Avengers series with the original lineup and be committed to
develop the project for years. Let's watch them grow, but not too slowly.
2) Let's have our heroes do what they are equipped to do. Violence is more
accepted now-a-days. I hate watching X-Men cartoons because Wolvie never
uses his claws on anyone he can actually harm. BTW, I LOVED the Hulk vs.
series! But yeah, Wolvie has been reduced to scratching rocks and carving up
walls.
3) give me DC like cartoon animation. I have not been impressed with Marvels
attempt at animation. Even the Ultimate Avengers DVDs left something to be
desired. Remember Spider-man Unlimited?
Well, I'm off my soapbox. Thanx for reading! Opinions always welcomed!
Kev :)
Michael
> Anybody else have any kinda problems with Marvel cartoons? Some have been
> pretty good, but to me, generally, they have been lacking. Be it story or
> animation quality, Marvel just doesn't seem to have the same magic as DC. I
> loved Justice League and Justice League Unlimited. The Batman/ Superman
> series of the 90's was pretty good, too. Marvel had a few good spots (90's
> Spiderman, X-men: Evolution, and yes, Wolverine and the X-men [seems to be
> picking up some steam]). But for every good attempt, there's shows that seem
> to go in circles and not get anywhere (The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man:
> Armored Adventures). The 90's X-men seemed lacking in animation quality and
> the storyline seemed to wander a bit. Don't even get me started on the
> Avengers and Spider-man Unlimited...
I enjoy the current Spectacular Spider-Man series, though the theme
song's lyrics blow and seeing Peter romantically interested in Gwen
while Mary Jane's around and kinda trying to help them get together's
really weird.
> Anyhoo, my question is this: What is wrong with Marvel animation? Any chance
> of righting the wrong? Can Marvel rebound and put out decent cartoons? Me,
> I'd like to see Mavel cartoons that:
> 1) accurately retells the comic stories, even back from the 60's. Start an
> X-Men and/ or Avengers series with the original lineup and be committed to
> develop the project for years. Let's watch them grow, but not too slowly.
Planet Hulk's being animated.
> 2) Let's have our heroes do what they are equipped to do. Violence is more
> accepted now-a-days. I hate watching X-Men cartoons because Wolvie never
> uses his claws on anyone he can actually harm. BTW, I LOVED the Hulk vs.
> series! But yeah, Wolvie has been reduced to scratching rocks and carving up
> walls.
Unless you have Wolverine on the Simpsons, I don't think you're gonna
see Wolverine launching into anyone with the claws.
> 3) give me DC like cartoon animation. I have not been impressed with Marvels
> attempt at animation. Even the Ultimate Avengers DVDs left something to be
> desired. Remember Spider-man Unlimited?
X-Men Evolution was really good. SSM's fine, but it's style took me
some getting used to.
Michael
grinningdemon
wrote:
I wish X-Men Evolution had gone on longer...it was a great take on the
X-Men...I haven't been able to get past the animation style to give
Spectacular Spiderman a chance but I've heard good things...and I've
avoided Wolverine and the X-Men on principle because I'm just sick to
death of Wolverine and have no interest in seeing a continuation of
the movie approach with Wolverine front and center while the rest of
the X-Men basically get glorified cameos.
Anim8rFSK
Michael <this...@for.rent> wrote:
> I enjoy the current Spectacular Spider-Man series, though the theme
> song's lyrics blow and seeing Peter romantically interested in Gwen
> while Mary Jane's around and kinda trying to help them get together's
> really weird.
This is an animated show? Where would I look for it?
--
Uncle Jack: "Will, you're invisible!"
Will: "Invisible? I can't be! I can touch myself!"
--actual dialog from third season LAND OF THE LOST
Kevin
Kev
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Billy Bissette
news:Y24dm.80886$0e4....@newsfe19.iad:
> I enjoy the current Spectacular Spider-Man series, though the theme
> song's lyrics blow and seeing Peter romantically interested in Gwen
> while Mary Jane's around and kinda trying to help them get together's
> really weird.
I haven't watched a Spider-Man cartoon in years. I recall some
friends getting upset about a recent series though, when the show
changed Gwen from wearing glasses to a generic "cute girl" look.
Brian Henderson
> I wish X-Men Evolution had gone on longer...it was a great take on the
> X-Men...I haven't been able to get past the animation style to give
> Spectacular Spiderman a chance but I've heard good things...and I've
> avoided Wolverine and the X-Men on principle because I'm just sick to
> death of Wolverine and have no interest in seeing a continuation of
> the movie approach with Wolverine front and center while the rest of
> the X-Men basically get glorified cameos.
Wolverine & the X-Men is actually really, really good, most Marvel
animation has been very episodic and W&tX has an ongoing storyline
that's been very well done so far, I'm looking forward to the next season.
Spectacular Spider-Man, while yes, the lyrics are stupid, the song gets
stuck in your head. I really didn't like the animation style to start
with but it grows on you and I actually appreciate that they're not
mindlessly following the comics, I'd like to see some variation in the
stories so it's not the same old stuff we've all seen a dozen times before.
Anim8rFSK
Billy Bissette <bai...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
Huh? When did Gwen wear glasses?
Anim8rFSK
"Kevin" <kevin...@sprintmail.com> wrote:
> DISNEY XD Channel. New episodes on Monday nite at 8 or 9.
> Kev
> "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:ANIM8Rfsk-C01A2...@news.dc1.easynews.com...
> > In article <Y24dm.80886$0e4....@newsfe19.iad>,
> > Michael <this...@for.rent> wrote:
> >
> >> I enjoy the current Spectacular Spider-Man series, though the theme
> >> song's lyrics blow and seeing Peter romantically interested in Gwen
> >> while Mary Jane's around and kinda trying to help them get together's
> >> really weird.
> >
> > This is an animated show? Where would I look for it?
Thanks! COX just gave us a bunch of new channels, mostly sports, but
DXD is on there; I'll check it out!
Michael
I think that was a single episode where the group was going to a big
dance or something.
Michael
Daibhid Ceanaideach
> In article <Xns9C5B96B66538...@216.168.3.70>,
> Billy Bissette <bai...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
>
>> Michael <this...@for.rent> wrote in
>> news:Y24dm.80886$0e4....@newsfe19.iad:
>>
>> > I enjoy the current Spectacular Spider-Man series, though the theme
>> > song's lyrics blow and seeing Peter romantically interested in Gwen
>> > while Mary Jane's around and kinda trying to help them get
>> > together's really weird.
>>
>> I haven't watched a Spider-Man cartoon in years. I recall some
>> friends getting upset about a recent series though, when the show
>> changed Gwen from wearing glasses to a generic "cute girl" look.
>
> Huh? When did Gwen wear glasses?
Just in Spectacular. They've made her into more of a "geek girl" to play
up the contrast with MJ. Wikipedia suggests Spectacular-Gwen may be
partly based on Debra Whitman.
--
Dave
"All those with psychokinesis, raise my hand."
The Room With No Doors, Kate Orman
Michael
IIRC, it was doing just fine on whichever Saturday Morning cartoon
schedule it was on (I wanna say Fox). Then Cartoon Network bought it
and pretty much buried Season 4. It's making the rounds on one of the
other cable cartoon networks these days.
> ...I haven't been able to get past the animation style to give
> Spectacular Spiderman a chance but I've heard good things
Some of the character designs do take a little getting used to. Like
Pete's nose and the freckle/mole/teardrop tattoo he's got in the series.
> ...and I've
> avoided Wolverine and the X-Men on principle because I'm just sick to
> death of Wolverine and have no interest in seeing a continuation of
> the movie approach with Wolverine front and center while the rest of
> the X-Men basically get glorified cameos.
There was one episode that was really good with Scott getting fed up and
taking out a lot of bad guys on his own before going down.
Spoilers (kind of).
I do find it interesting how we saw so very little of the Scott/Jean
relationship, while they kept hinting at a Scott/Emma thing. Now with
Jean back and Emma gone it's a whole new ball game for next season.
Michael
grinningdemon
wrote:
Well, Wolverine's the title character so I'm sure that retarded
Scott/Jean/Wolverine love triangle will be front and center once
again...one more reason for me to avoid the show.
M.O.R
> On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:49:43 -0700, Michael <thissp...@for.rent>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >grinningdemon wrote:
>
> >> On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:18:06 -0700, Michael <thissp...@for.rent>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Gotta say I am really enjoying the Spectacular Spider-man show.
However, I have a few points to make
*SPOILERS*
Well, only one real point. I like the characters, and how they have
made every character, even the most two dimensional in the comic
books, seem much more rounded and with a large degree of personality.
Jonah is tough, but his kind hearted nature is more apparent, and when
Aunt May has a heart attack, he takes it upon himself to call Peter
and tell him. A really clever and sympathetic piece of writing. Very
well done. I also like how some of the lines used in the show would
not have gotten past the censors of the 90's, such as Sall Avril
asking "Peter, have you been smoking?" after Peter as Spidey has a
fight in a burning building, yet forgets to wash his costume, thus the
smoke smell.
One thing that kinda got to me this season was how badly Peter treated
Liz Allen, and how much she put up with it. Now I know Peter was
fighting crime, and protecting the city, but every time he missed a
date, was late, or didn't contact her for a day or two, yet she still
forgave him, it just seemed off. No matter how badly he treated her,
the more she forgave him, the more she put up with. Fool me once,
shame on you, fool mee twice shame on me, sure, but what about fool me
8 or 9 times in a row?
It just got increasingly irritating that Peter was being such a jerk
towards her, and not even making a lousy phone call to apologise.
There is a lot of humour throughout the show, and I really liked the
continuation of one joke from season one, being continued into season
2, ie the couple Spidey webbed up in season one, got engaged in season
2. Very clever, and very funny. It adds a little something to the
show to include those little touches.
M.O.R
> In article <Xns9C5B96B66538whatcholooki...@216.168.3.70>,
> Billy Bissette <bai...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
>
> > Michael <thissp...@for.rent> wrote in
> >news:Y24dm.80886$0e4....@newsfe19.iad:
>
> > > I enjoy the current Spectacular Spider-Man series, though the theme
> > > song's lyrics blow and seeing Peter romantically interested in Gwen
> > > while Mary Jane's around and kinda trying to help them get together's
> > > really weird.
>
> > I haven't watched a Spider-Man cartoon in years. I recall some
> > friends getting upset about a recent series though, when the show
> > changed Gwen from wearing glasses to a generic "cute girl" look.
>
> Huh? When did Gwen wear glasses?
>
> --
> Uncle Jack: "Will, you're invisible!"
> Will: "Invisible? I can't be! I can touch myself!"
> --actual dialog from third season LAND OF THE LOST
The thing about the whole change was to make Gwen feel better about
herself, as Peter was already in love with her beforehand. Even
though he is being a real jerk about it.
Anim8rFSK
<a5222af6-3796-40ae...@c29g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
"M.O.R" <pred...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
I watched a few eps yesterday. I liked the personal stuff better than
the villain business; sort of felt like Spider-Man loves Mary Jane
(except of course he doesn't). I have to confess, it makes me queasy to
see Norman Osborn and Miles Warren talking about Gwen; I imagine that's
the intention. It also bothers me that Aunt May looks just like an
older Gwen; I'm going to put that down to a limitation imposed by the
art style and talent of the character designers, and not a deliberate
choice.
Also, since I told DisXD to record Spider-Man, I got an episode of
AMAZING FRIENDS with Firestar and Icemen and the X-Men versus some
horrible cyborg villain. Gads, what a dreadful show. I wouldn't be
surprised to see that Glen Hill worked on it.
A brunette Liz Allan? Really? What do you want to bet she started out
as Betty Brant and got a name change before airing?
M.O.R
>
> - Show quoted text -
I thought Liz Allen was latin? Yeah, the amazing friends, I have not
seen that show in ages. I know alot of people were not fans of it,
and it has been so long since I saw the show, I didn't know that the X-
men starred in it, but I have only sporadic memories of the show.
Anim8rFSK
<c3ee4105-20d5-4c36...@c14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
"M.O.R" <pred...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
Liz has always been a blonde. I have no idea if she's Latin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liz_Allan
Wiki says the Spectacular version is Puerto Rican (but that's the only
version that is).
The X-Men were extremely lame. Weird team, too. Included Thunderbird,
and a very built Kitty Pryde.
M.O.R
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yeah, I assume she was really Betty Brant, what with the troublesome
brother with the gambling addiction just like Untold Tales of Spider-
man when Betty's bro got wrapped up in criminal activiities, and then
gets killed. Except this time Betty's bro becomes Molten Man. Sorry,
Liz's bro.
Well, you could read something into the design of Gwen and May.
Apparently, when it comes to heterosexual pairings, and I only say
heterosexual as I do not know how a homosexual person chooses a mate,
have not read that psychology article, but when it comes to choosing a
heterosexual pairings and the search for a potential mate, men will
compare a potential girlfriend to their mother. It might seem weird,
but since they are the only female reference we have from birth, they
are our point of reference when looking for a mate. The woman we
choose may have some but not all of the similar traits. For example,
they may have no physical resemblance to the mother, but certain
traits like being kind hearted or hard working. We also, apparently
model ourselves on our Dads, in terms of how to behave or how to act.
There is a similar situation when it comes to women.
So the creators of the show may very well have meant May to resemble
Gwen in that she is Peter's mother figure, the person he will compare
his future love interests to. Since May and Gwen are both kind, and
tough, and care alot for Peter in different ways, then it is not
really surprising that he would show interest in her. There are
similar traits there.
That said, I would totally date Gwen's voice actress Lacey Chabert.
No competition there, she is stunning.
M.O.R
Alot of the character designs on that show were incredibly strange. I
mean, characters were drawn either too built, or slightly fat looking.
Happy that I was at least somewhat close with the Liz Allen race
change.
Daibhid Ceanaideach
Although Spectacular also has an actual Betty Brant.
Anim8rFSK
<c9f32804-86bd-41c7...@24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
"M.O.R" <pred...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
> That said, I would totally date Gwen's voice actress Lacey Chabert.
> No competition there, she is stunning.
I worked on Wild Thornberries, so I still think of Lacey as Liza and
like 10 years old, but I hear what you're saying. :)
I thought it was funny and odd that in MEAN GIRLS Lohan was pretty much
playing Liza Thornberry come back to civilization, even though they had
Lacey in there as a city girl.
Anim8rFSK
Daibhid Ceanaideach <daibhidc...@aol.com> wrote:
LOL, haven't seen her yet. Is she blonde?
Daibhid Ceanaideach
No, she's dark-haired. I think she only appeared in a couple of episodes.
She's JJ's PA, and Peter asks her out, but since she's, like, twenty and
he's fifteen, she turns him down.
On the subject of characters changing race, the Bugle also has an Asian
reporter called Ned *Lee*...
Hand-of-Omega
> 1) accurately retells the comic stories, even back from the 60's. Start an
> X-Men and/ or Avengers series with the original lineup and be committed to
> develop the project for years. Let's watch them grow, but not too slowly.
Absolute recipe for cancellation, sorry. First off, sorry to say it,
but those are NOT the characters the modern audiences want to see.
Secondly, frankly, a lot of those silver age stories stank on ice,
ESP. by modern storytelling standards. Try this, and it won't last for
years, or even a season...
> 2) Let's have our heroes do what they are equipped to do. Violence is more
> accepted now-a-days. I hate watching X-Men cartoons because Wolvie never
> uses his claws on anyone he can actually harm. BTW, I LOVED the Hulk vs.
> series! But yeah, Wolvie has been reduced to scratching rocks and carving up
> walls.
This is a funny thing: They *could* do this, esp since, AFAIK, Cable
TV does not need to hew to the FCC's standards. But they are really
just too afraid to risk the attention. But all we need is one or two
shows to have the balls to push the envelope and become successful
and...
> 3) give me DC like cartoon animation. I have not been impressed with Marvels
> attempt at animation. Even the Ultimate Avengers DVDs left something to be
> desired. Remember Spider-man Unlimited?
>
What exactly do you mean by "DC like"? You literally want the exact
same character design style? Personally, I don't see those as being
any less stylized than what we've been seeing recently...
True, DC's had the best cartoons recently...Even after the Diniverse
went off the air, stuff like Legion of Superheroes, Teen Titans and
The Batman kept me watching, and were pretty damn good (The Batman
later on...). As for Marvel, I'm finding that I apparently missed a
LOT of cartoons they put out in the early nineties that I missed,
except for the X-Men, which I hated. Iron Man, Avengers, Hulk,
FF...And, from what I'm seeing on Cable now, they all sucked, badly!
The best Marvel cartoon in years was X-Men Evolution. Unfortunately, I
never saw the ending (did it have one?) and they won't release it on
DVD for some reason. Wolverine and the X-Men seems a worthy successor,
in fact, it almost seems like a literal sequel (props for not
bothering to retell the origin yet again); I know, I know, Wolvie is
overexposed, and the title makes me grind my teeth as much as when GI
Joe was briefly renamed "Snake Eyes: Starring GI Joe" (true!). But if
you can swallow that pandering to popularity, it's actually quite a
good show...I esp love how they wrote Jean out, and brought the White
Queen in, and it's very much Morrisons' take on the character!
Spectacular Spider-Man is also fun watching. The nineties Spidey
cartoon was *decent*, I felt, tho SM and his Amazing Friends will
always have a fond place in my heart, but this one is BETTER. It
didn't take long for me to get over my initial reaction ("ANOTHER
Spidey cartoon?? They didn't even finish the last (CG) one!"), and I
love what they did with Gwen and Eddie Brock!
I also have to say, tho it wasn't great, exactly, I did also enjoy the
latest FF cartoon...about the only thing that was off to me in that
was wimpy Reed, whose character seemed an exaggeration of movie Reed,
and which also make Sue come off as VERY bitchy...
If these three shows are an indication of Marvel's direction, I don't
think they have much to worry about. But really, the OVA stuff they're
doing is always gonna be better, or at least edgier, which may be what
the OP wants...
Dex
Daibhid Ceanaideach
> I also have to say, tho it wasn't great, exactly, I did also enjoy the
> latest FF cartoon...about the only thing that was off to me in that
> was wimpy Reed, whose character seemed an exaggeration of movie Reed,
> and which also make Sue come off as VERY bitchy...
I think my favourite line from that was when Sue asks Reed what he thinks
about her staying in Atlantis, and Reed says that, considered logically,
it seems like a sensible idea.
BEN:
"Reed, for the smartest guy in the world ... you're an idiot."
But I don't think of him as "wimpy Reed" as much as "borderline Aspie
Reed"...
grinningdemon
<hando...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>What exactly do you mean by "DC like"? You literally want the exact
>same character design style? Personally, I don't see those as being
>any less stylized than what we've been seeing recently...
I think he meant "DC like" in terms of quality...DC animation in the
last 20 years has beat Marvel out at almost every turn...but, then
again, Warner Brothers has a bit more experience in this kind of thing
than Marvel.
>
>True, DC's had the best cartoons recently...Even after the Diniverse
>went off the air, stuff like Legion of Superheroes, Teen Titans and
>The Batman kept me watching, and were pretty damn good (The Batman
>later on...). As for Marvel, I'm finding that I apparently missed a
>LOT of cartoons they put out in the early nineties that I missed,
>except for the X-Men, which I hated. Iron Man, Avengers, Hulk,
>FF...And, from what I'm seeing on Cable now, they all sucked, badly!
VERY badly.
>
>The best Marvel cartoon in years was X-Men Evolution. Unfortunately, I
>never saw the ending (did it have one?) and they won't release it on
>DVD for some reason.
It had a short 4th season that ended with the final fight against
Apocalypse and included a small preview of things to come for the
X-Men (including Phoenix)...it was one of those "the fight will go on"
type endings...I really miss that series and would like to see the
final season out of DVD too...a complete series set would be nice.
Wolverine and the X-Men seems a worthy successor,
>in fact, it almost seems like a literal sequel (props for not
>bothering to retell the origin yet again); I know, I know, Wolvie is
>overexposed, and the title makes me grind my teeth as much as when GI
>Joe was briefly renamed "Snake Eyes: Starring GI Joe" (true!).
Actually, it was GI Joe (small letters): starring Snake-Eyes (big
letters)...easy mistake to make though.
But if
>you can swallow that pandering to popularity, it's actually quite a
>good show...I esp love how they wrote Jean out, and brought the White
>Queen in, and it's very much Morrisons' take on the character!
I hated Morrison's run...and isn't the White Queen now out and Jean
back in? Because I could really do without the innevitabl rehash of
the ridiculous Scott/Jean/Wolvie love triangle.
>
>Spectacular Spider-Man is also fun watching. The nineties Spidey
>cartoon was *decent*, I felt, tho SM and his Amazing Friends will
>always have a fond place in my heart, but this one is BETTER.
I loved Amazing Friends when I was a kid too...but I saw a couple eps
recently and it was REALLY BAD...I'll check out Spec Spidey
eventually...I'm just kind of turned off to the character since they
crapped all over him in the comics recently.
It
>didn't take long for me to get over my initial reaction ("ANOTHER
>Spidey cartoon?? They didn't even finish the last (CG) one!"), and I
>love what they did with Gwen and Eddie Brock!
>
>I also have to say, tho it wasn't great, exactly, I did also enjoy the
>latest FF cartoon...about the only thing that was off to me in that
>was wimpy Reed, whose character seemed an exaggeration of movie Reed,
>and which also make Sue come off as VERY bitchy...
I really wanted to like that FF cartoon...and I believe it was even by
the same creators who did X-Men Evolution...but I just couldn't get
into it...and I absolutely hated the anime-style designs and
animation...it's didn't seem like the FF at all...they should have
gone with something a little more like the Ultimate FF with more
traditional animation...I think it would have had more appeal as a
cartoon.
>
>If these three shows are an indication of Marvel's direction, I don't
>think they have much to worry about. But really, the OVA stuff they're
>doing is always gonna be better, or at least edgier, which may be what
>the OP wants...
But Iron Man: the Armored Adventures is the most recent of these (and
it's really lame)...and the the Marvel animated films have been rather
lack luster (although I haven't really like the recent DC animated
films much either).
M.O.R
>
> "M.O.R" <preda...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
> > That said, I would totally date Gwen's voice actress Lacey Chabert.
> > No competition there, she is stunning.
>
> I worked on Wild Thornberries, so I still think of Lacey as Liza and
> like 10 years old, but I hear what you're saying. :)
>
> I thought it was funny and odd that in MEAN GIRLS Lohan was pretty much
> playing Liza Thornberry come back to civilization, even though they had
> Lacey in there as a city girl.
>
> --
> Uncle Jack: "Will, you're invisible!"
> Will: "Invisible? I can't be! I can touch myself!"
> --actual dialog from third season LAND OF THE LOST
If you don't mind my asking, what work did you do on the show?
Yeah, never though about the Mean Girls thing. Good point. Actually
like that film, very clever, and I find the main supporting cast to
be more interesting than Lohan. Chabert is really surprising as an
actress. She could be an A lister if she wanted, but seems happy
doing TV and voice work. Very strange, since she is far more
dedicated than the majority of current A listers.
Tina Fey surprised me on that one, but I find she is an underrated
talent only now getting noticed.
And, besides Obama, the big winner of the election campaign. :) Good
for her.
M.O.R
wrote:
> On 06 Aug 2009, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <Xns9C5EE9654ACE0daibhidchenedelha...@130.133.1.4>,
> > Daibhid Ceanaideach <daibhidchened...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Peter was asking her out because he needed a date for a dance, and
pretty much everyone had someone else to go with.
Gul Dumar
> On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:02:40 -0700 (PDT), Hand-of-Omega
I have nothing to add but:
"Thing Ring, do your thing!"
STRATEGY
M.O.R
> On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:02:40 -0700 (PDT), Hand-of-Omega
>
I am so glad that MTV SPider-man show never finished. It was awful.
Hell, the final episode made Spider-man a murderer, with Stan Lee
starring in that episode, and funnily enough not making any deal out
of it compared to the hoopla he made over the still controversial Gwen
Stacy, which would also have made Peter a murderer, albeit involuntary
manslaughter. And they made Harry and Norman Osborn blonde. What?
The animation was terrible, so were the plots, I try to imagine that
series never happened, as I do when I think about the Matrix sequels.
The series was so rushed it just became difficult to watch.
Iron Man adventures is getting the thumbs down from alot of people, as
it doesn't tie in with the film or the comic books, has terrible
scripts, and terrible voice acting, and the recycling of backgrounds
and characters is just as noticable as it was on MTV's Spider-man.
Most professional writers and artists who work in comic books and
enjoy TV shows based on characters just cannot endorse it. For
example, Tony Isabella, who will often give some merit towards
creativity, even if the result does not work, could not find anything
whatsoever to recommend it.
It is strange, but Marvel's TV shows, such as the FF series of the
90's or the other TV shows, don't age well. Animation or Storywise.
M.O.R
Why, why, oh why must peole continue to torture us with that oh so
awful show.
Ugh, I feel in pain.
Anim8rFSK
<bff45b11-7f5e-411f...@d4g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
"M.O.R" <pred...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
> On Aug 6, 1:44�am, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <c9f32804-86bd-41c7-90f5-27cc25fe3...@24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > �"M.O.R" <preda...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
> > > That said, I would totally date Gwen's voice actress Lacey Chabert.
> > > No competition there, she is stunning.
> >
> > I worked on Wild Thornberries, so I still think of Lacey as Liza and
> > like 10 years old, but I hear what you're saying. �:)
> >
> > I thought it was funny and odd that in MEAN GIRLS Lohan was pretty much
> > playing Liza Thornberry come back to civilization, even though they had
> > Lacey in there as a city girl.
> >
> > --
> > Uncle Jack: "Will, you're invisible!"
> > Will: "Invisible? I can't be! I can touch myself!"
> > --actual dialog from third season LAND OF THE LOST
>
> If you don't mind my asking, what work did you do on the show?
Timing (don't mind at all :D )
>
> Yeah, never though about the Mean Girls thing. Good point. Actually
> like that film, very clever, and I find the main supporting cast to
> be more interesting than Lohan. Chabert is really surprising as an
> actress. She could be an A lister if she wanted, but seems happy
> doing TV and voice work. Very strange, since she is far more
> dedicated than the majority of current A listers.
Yep
Anim8rFSK
<a2a7f83c-d2a7-49e4...@f10g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
"M.O.R" <pred...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
> I am so glad that MTV SPider-man show never finished. It was awful.
> Hell, the final episode made Spider-man a murderer, with Stan Lee
> starring in that episode, and funnily enough not making any deal out
> of it compared to the hoopla he made over the still controversial Gwen
> Stacy, which would also have made Peter a murderer, albeit involuntary
> manslaughter.
As Gerry Conway would say:
"Romantic IDIOT! She was dead before his webbing REACHED her! A fall
from that height would kill ANYONE ---- BEFORE they struck the ground!"
As I would say, to paraphrase Ruthless People: Gerry Conway may be the
stupidest person alive. Perhaps we should shoot him.
:)
Anim8rFSK
<6cf060c8-12be-4aff...@j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
"M.O.R" <pred...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
I've never seen it. Not even a minute of it.
M.O.R
>
>
>
>
>
> "M.O.R" <preda...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
> > On Aug 6, 9:21 pm, Gul Dumar <Strategy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Aug 6, 12:57 pm, grinningdemon <grinningde...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:02:40 -0700 (PDT), Hand-of-Omega
>
> > > I have nothing to add but:
>
> > > "Thing Ring, do your thing!"
>
> > > STRATEGY
>
> > Why, why, oh why must peole continue to torture us with that oh so
> > awful show.
>
> > Ugh, I feel in pain.
>
> I've never seen it. Not even a minute of it.
>
> --
> Uncle Jack: "Will, you're invisible!"
> Will: "Invisible? I can't be! I can touch myself!"
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'm sure it's on youtube, Alot of terrible stuff is on youtube.
Gul Dumar
I couldn't find it, but you can print out this picture, cut it into
four and flip it and it will animate:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/547/740/1600/Thing%20Transformation.jpg
STRATEGY
M.O.R
The entire first 3 series of X-men Evolution is on youtube. It has
it's own channel, linking from Marvel's channel, and so it has a
legitimate channel to allow users watch the episodes.
http://www.youtube.com/show?p=DmJMgpU45BE
According to this link, one can purchase the entire series on itunes,
with this link linking to season 4.
Dunno if they will release it on DVD, they may just leave it as an
itunes only.
M.O.R
>
> STRATEGY- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Could very well animate better than the original animation.
Michael
Amazon says Season 3 is avalable while Season 4 is not. Seasons 1 and 2
and available in 4 seperate sets.
Michael
M.O.R
>
> > Dunno if they will release it on DVD, they may just leave it as an
> > itunes only.
>
> Amazon says Season 3 is avalable while Season 4 is not. Seasons 1 and 2
> and available in 4 seperate sets.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Itunes has all seasons, including number 4 on it's website.
Michael
BIG SNIP!
> Itunes has all seasons, including number 4 on it's website.
The prices aren't too bad either.
Michael
Hand-of-Omega
> On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:02:40 -0700 (PDT), Hand-of-Omega
>
> >What exactly do you mean by "DC like"? You literally want the exact
> >same character design style? Personally, I don't see those as being
> >any less stylized than what we've been seeing recently...
>
> I think he meant "DC like" in terms of quality...DC animation in the
> last 20 years has beat Marvel out at almost every turn...but, then
> again, Warner Brothers has a bit more experience in this kind of thing
> than Marvel.
>
>
> >True, DC's had the best cartoons recently...Even after the Diniverse
> >went off the air, stuff like Legion of Superheroes, Teen Titans and
> >The Batman kept me watching, and were pretty damn good (The Batman
> >later on...). As for Marvel, I'm finding that I apparently missed a
> >LOT of cartoons they put out in the early nineties that I missed,
> >except for the X-Men, which I hated. Iron Man, Avengers, Hulk,
> >FF...And, from what I'm seeing on Cable now, they all sucked, badly!
>
> VERY badly.
>
little promising. But they probably couldn't keep it up...I'm still
chuckling over how they mangled Dr. Doom's origin in FF (his father's
spider robots, indeed...)!
>
> >The best Marvel cartoon in years was X-Men Evolution. Unfortunately, I
> >never saw the ending (did it have one?) and they won't release it on
> >DVD for some reason.
>
> It had a short 4th season that ended with the final fight against
> Apocalypse and included a small preview of things to come for the
> X-Men (including Phoenix)...it was one of those "the fight will go on"
> type endings...I really miss that series and would like to see the
> final season out of DVD too...a complete series set would be nice.
>
> Wolverine and the X-Men seems a worthy successor,
>
> >in fact, it almost seems like a literal sequel (props for not
> >bothering to retell the origin yet again); I know, I know, Wolvie is
> >overexposed, and the title makes me grind my teeth as much as when GI
> >Joe was briefly renamed "Snake Eyes: Starring GI Joe" (true!).
>
> Actually, it was GI Joe (small letters): starring Snake-Eyes (big
> letters)...easy mistake to make though.
>
Heh! Guess so...
> But if
>
> >you can swallow that pandering to popularity, it's actually quite a
> >good show...I esp love how they wrote Jean out, and brought the White
> >Queen in, and it's very much Morrisons' take on the character!
>
> I hated Morrison's run...and isn't the White Queen now out and Jean
> back in? Because I could really do without the innevitabl rehash of
> the ridiculous Scott/Jean/Wolvie love triangle.
>
Honestly, I don't know, I haven't watched the end of the season yet.
That's what someone here said; if so, then it's a step backwards that
even the comics have yet to make...
>
>
> >Spectacular Spider-Man is also fun watching. The nineties Spidey
> >cartoon was *decent*, I felt, tho SM and his Amazing Friends will
> >always have a fond place in my heart, but this one is BETTER.
>
> I loved Amazing Friends when I was a kid too...but I saw a couple eps
> recently and it was REALLY BAD...I'll check out Spec Spidey
> eventually...I'm just kind of turned off to the character since they
> crapped all over him in the comics recently.
>
Yeah, but still...I find myself humming some of the BGM to myself even
now!<g>
That show (and the Hulk show they ran right after it) introduced me to
many Marvel characters...I still recall flipping thru my issues of the
Marvel Universe to learn about who I was watching that weekend! Also,
I liked how they did Doom's voice...BTW, am I the only one to notice
that Ms. Angelica Jones bore a startling resemblance to Mary Jane
Watson?^_^
> It
>
> >didn't take long for me to get over my initial reaction ("ANOTHER
> >Spidey cartoon?? They didn't even finish the last (CG) one!"), and I
> >love what they did with Gwen and Eddie Brock!
>
> >I also have to say, tho it wasn't great, exactly, I did also enjoy the
> >latest FF cartoon...about the only thing that was off to me in that
> >was wimpy Reed, whose character seemed an exaggeration of movie Reed,
> >and which also make Sue come off as VERY bitchy...
>
> I really wanted to like that FF cartoon...and I believe it was even by
> the same creators who did X-Men Evolution...but I just couldn't get
> into it...and I absolutely hated the anime-style designs and
> animation...it's didn't seem like the FF at all...they should have
> gone with something a little more like the Ultimate FF with more
> traditional animation...I think it would have had more appeal as a
> cartoon.
>
Didn't know that was by the same folks who did XME...
>
> >If these three shows are an indication of Marvel's direction, I don't
> >think they have much to worry about. But really, the OVA stuff they're
> >doing is always gonna be better, or at least edgier, which may be what
> >the OP wants...
>
> But Iron Man: the Armored Adventures is the most recent of these (and
> it's really lame)...and the the Marvel animated films have been rather
> lack luster (although I haven't really like the recent DC animated
> films much either).
Forgot all about that one, as I haven't even seen an episode of
it...and it sounds like I don't want to. When will studios learn that
CGI isn't some flashy new thing that makes everything better? The only
cartoons that just about got away with it were Reboot and...that one
where the kids went into the computer to fight it? Anyway, the CGI
were the worse parts of that Iron Man ova, too...
Dex
Hand-of-Omega
wrote:
> On 06 Aug 2009, Hand-of-Omega <handofom...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I also have to say, tho it wasn't great, exactly, I did also enjoy the
> > latest FF cartoon...about the only thing that was off to me in that
> > was wimpy Reed, whose character seemed an exaggeration of movie Reed,
> > and which also make Sue come off as VERY bitchy...
>
> I think my favourite line from that was when Sue asks Reed what he thinks
> about her staying in Atlantis, and Reed says that, considered logically,
> it seems like a sensible idea.
>
> BEN:
> "Reed, for the smartest guy in the world ... you're an idiot."
>
> But I don't think of him as "wimpy Reed" as much as "borderline Aspie
> Reed"...
>
finally getting somewhere negotiating with Namor, until the Torch buts
in with: "Dude! Look at his *ears*!! Is that freaky or what??"
Needless to say, negotiations break down immediately, leading Sue to
tell Johnny something like: "Now do you see why we tell you not to
talk?"^__^
Dex
Hand-of-Omega
Runaways? Young Avengers? Thunderbolts?
Dex
grinningdemon
<hando...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Actually, the couple of episodes I saw of the Hulk actually looked a
>little promising. But they probably couldn't keep it up...I'm still
>chuckling over how they mangled Dr. Doom's origin in FF (his father's
>spider robots, indeed...)!
I don't think I ever actually saw the Hulk but Iron Man, Avengers, and
FF were all terrible.
>>
>> I hated Morrison's run...and isn't the White Queen now out and Jean
>> back in? �Because I could really do without the innevitabl rehash of
>> the ridiculous Scott/Jean/Wolvie love triangle.
>>
>Honestly, I don't know, I haven't watched the end of the season yet.
>That's what someone here said; if so, then it's a step backwards that
>even the comics have yet to make...
It certainly is a step backwards but I think it's kind of
innevitable...if they couldn't let Jean stay dead the first time,
there's no way it will last this time.
>>
>Yeah, but still...I find myself humming some of the BGM to myself even
>now!<g>
>That show (and the Hulk show they ran right after it) introduced me to
>many Marvel characters...I still recall flipping thru my issues of the
>Marvel Universe to learn about who I was watching that weekend! Also,
>I liked how they did Doom's voice...BTW, am I the only one to notice
>that Ms. Angelica Jones bore a startling resemblance to Mary Jane
>Watson?^_^
That was an odd show for many reasons...I'm still not sure why they
decided to pair up those particular characters...to my knowledge,
Spiderman and Iceman have next to no relationship in the comics (the
Human Torch is a closer fit) and I don't think Firestar even existed
in the comics until AFTER the show.
>
>> It
>>
>> >didn't take long for me to get over my initial reaction ("ANOTHER
>> >Spidey cartoon?? They didn't even finish the last (CG) one!"), and I
>> >love what they did with Gwen and Eddie Brock!
>>
>> >I also have to say, tho it wasn't great, exactly, I did also enjoy the
>> >latest FF cartoon...about the only thing that was off to me in that
>> >was wimpy Reed, whose character seemed an exaggeration of movie Reed,
>> >and which also make Sue come off as VERY bitchy...
>>
>> I really wanted to like that FF cartoon...and I believe it was even by
>> the same creators who did X-Men Evolution...but I just couldn't get
>> into it...and I absolutely hated the anime-style designs and
>> animation...it's didn't seem like the FF at all...they should have
>> gone with something a little more like the Ultimate FF with more
>> traditional animation...I think it would have had more appeal as a
>> cartoon.
>>
>Didn't know that was by the same folks who did XME...
At the very least, Chris Yost (one of the main writers of XME) was a
producer of the FF cartoon.
M.O.R
> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:53:29 -0700 (PDT), Hand-of-Omega
>
You are right about Firestar, she never appeared in a comic book until
after the show. The Iceman thing is really weird, especially how he
transforms into Iceman, turns himself into a block of ice, and then
breaks out of it as Ice man. I initially first thought that they used
Ice Man because Human Torch would have been seen as possibly a
dangerous influence on kids to set themselves on fire, but then I
looked at Firestar. I guess it was similar to when they added Morph
to the X-men show, or Spike to XME, and then added him to the comics.
Speaking of which, why was Morph never introduced to the comics? He
became really interesting when we saw how Mr Sinister manipulated him
and planted mind control devies in his brain. They featured Mystique
on the show, so it was not as if we got tired of seeing a transforming
mutant on the show, as we also saw one of the Morlock's was able to
morph also. Never got why Morph was never used outside of the 90's
show, when Firestar and Spike were.
The Hulk TV show had alot of promise, but the animation was a tad
jerky. Lou Ferrigno voiced the character, and Thor, Ghost Rider and a
few others made appearances, as well as She Hulk. Then, in the second
or third season, it became The Incredible Hulk and She Hulk, with Hulk
and Jennifer sharing the intro. This also introduced the Grey Hulk,
and would show both Hulks fighting in Bruce's subconscious, deciding
which Hulk Bruce would become. I didn't really like this show as much
as the former.
Iron Man, season one, was really silly. But it improved enormously in
season 2, and brough in a really catchy theme tune.
"I.......am.......IRON MAN!!!!" Darn good.
grinningdemon
<pred...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
>You are right about Firestar, she never appeared in a comic book until
>after the show.
And, even then, they made her an x-character and kept her out of the
Spiderman books entirely...I'm sure they've met at some point but I'm
having a hard time thinking of when...although the spider-clone was a
New Warrior for about 15 minutes.
The Iceman thing is really weird, especially how he
>transforms into Iceman, turns himself into a block of ice, and then
>breaks out of it as Ice man. I initially first thought that they used
>Ice Man because Human Torch would have been seen as possibly a
>dangerous influence on kids to set themselves on fire, but then I
>looked at Firestar.
Iceman was just a really weird choice...unless they already had
Firestar in mind and wanted someone with the opposite powers.
I guess it was similar to when they added Morph
>to the X-men show, or Spike to XME, and then added him to the comics.
To my knowledge, Spike was never added to the comics...X-23 was the
only character created for XME who made it into the comics...there is
a FEMALE Morlock called Marrow who essentially had the same powers as
Spike and briefly joined the X-Men once upon a time...but that was
back in the 90s...years before XME.
>Speaking of which, why was Morph never introduced to the comics? He
>became really interesting when we saw how Mr Sinister manipulated him
>and planted mind control devies in his brain.
Morph has been in the comics...the character from the cartoon was
based on the Changeling, who was around way back in the 60s and died
impersonating Prof. X...an alternate version called Morph (with a pale
white, mostly featureless face) then appeared in the Age of Apocalypse
storyline back in the 90s and, after taking a few years off, has been
appearing on and off in the Exiles ever since...but, powers aside,
he's not much like the cartoon version.
They featured Mystique
>on the show, so it was not as if we got tired of seeing a transforming
>mutant on the show, as we also saw one of the Morlock's was able to
>morph also. Never got why Morph was never used outside of the 90's
>show, when Firestar and Spike were.
>
>The Hulk TV show had alot of promise, but the animation was a tad
>jerky. Lou Ferrigno voiced the character, and Thor, Ghost Rider and a
>few others made appearances, as well as She Hulk. Then, in the second
>or third season, it became The Incredible Hulk and She Hulk, with Hulk
>and Jennifer sharing the intro. This also introduced the Grey Hulk,
>and would show both Hulks fighting in Bruce's subconscious, deciding
>which Hulk Bruce would become. I didn't really like this show as much
>as the former.
Maybe I'll give it a shot sometime but I've never really been the
biggest fan of the Hulk.
>
>Iron Man, season one, was really silly. But it improved enormously in
>season 2, and brough in a really catchy theme tune.
>
>"I.......am.......IRON MAN!!!!" Darn good.
Similarly, I'm not much of an Iron Man fan...the thing I remember most
about that series was that it included Hawkeye and some of the other
Avengers West Coast crew (a book I really liked as a kid).
I could really go for a good Avengers cartoon series...but, with my
luck, they'd either base it on the Ultimates (like the animated
movies) or the "New" Avengers...and I could do without either of
those.
Gul Dumar
> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:14:54 -0700 (PDT), "M.O.R"
>
I liked the Avengers movies, even though I would've preferred
classic. Remember the one where they all could fly with jetpack/wing
deals? I was like, what is The Falcon doing there, they *all* can
fly.
Michael
> I could really go for a good Avengers cartoon series...but, with my
> luck, they'd either base it on the Ultimates (like the animated
> movies) or the "New" Avengers...and I could do without either of
> those.
They could do the Marvel Adventures version.
Michael
Billy Bissette
news:rnl885hqjskq0q9v7...@4ax.com:
XME wasn't anything like the Yost's comic book work on New X-Men
or X-Force either.
Billy Bissette
902b56...@o6g2000yqj.googlegroups.com:
> I initially first thought that they used
> Ice Man because Human Torch would have been seen as possibly a
> dangerous influence on kids to set themselves on fire, but then I
> looked at Firestar.
Wasn't that the reason Human Torch was replaced by Herbie the robot
in one of the older Fantastic Four cartoon series?
Billy Bissette
aabd-c81...@18g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
> Show of hands: Who thinks a Power Pack cartoon would be pretty good?
> Runaways? Young Avengers? Thunderbolts?
If Marvel does them, then no. But then that is the safe answer for
any Marvel cartoon proposal.
Anim8rFSK
Billy Bissette <bai...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
That was the story, although recently it's been said that the Torch had
already been optioned as a single character, and kids setting themselves
aflame wasn't a concern.
Hand-of-Omega
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDqamjm8lc4&feature=related
Or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOHPap0lEO8
Dex O_O
grinningdemon
No...but XME was a saturday morning cartoon...I'm sure he would have
killed off half the cast if given the opportunity.
Michael
Maybe he worked at Cartoon Network when they killed the show?
:)
Michael
Michael
Young Avengers was said to e pretty good.
Michael
Michael
> In article <Xns9C67DCF1C6F5...@216.168.3.70>,
> Billy Bissette <bai...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"M.O.R" <pred...@esatclear.ie> wrote in news:3177b56e-9751-4038-a279-
>>902b56...@o6g2000yqj.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>>I initially first thought that they used
>>>Ice Man because Human Torch would have been seen as possibly a
>>>dangerous influence on kids to set themselves on fire, but then I
>>>looked at Firestar.
>>
>> Wasn't that the reason Human Torch was replaced by Herbie the robot
>>in one of the older Fantastic Four cartoon series?
>
>
> That was the story, although recently it's been said that the Torch had
> already been optioned as a single character, and kids setting themselves
> aflame wasn't a concern.
The FF's Torch or the WW2 Torch?
In any case, Firestar isn't covered by flames. In theory kids shouldn't
light themselves up to imitate her.
Michael
Michael
> Speaking of DC cartoons...why had I never heard of this??
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDqamjm8lc4&feature=related
This is based on DC Comics?!
> Or this:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOHPap0lEO8
Dunno. Are the 60's JLA cartoons a part of any of the dvds?
Michael
Anim8rFSK
Michael <this...@for.rent> wrote:
> Anim8rFSK wrote:
>
> > In article <Xns9C67DCF1C6F5...@216.168.3.70>,
> > Billy Bissette <bai...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>"M.O.R" <pred...@esatclear.ie> wrote in news:3177b56e-9751-4038-a279-
> >>902b56...@o6g2000yqj.googlegroups.com:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I initially first thought that they used
> >>>Ice Man because Human Torch would have been seen as possibly a
> >>>dangerous influence on kids to set themselves on fire, but then I
> >>>looked at Firestar.
> >>
> >> Wasn't that the reason Human Torch was replaced by Herbie the robot
> >>in one of the older Fantastic Four cartoon series?
> >
> >
> > That was the story, although recently it's been said that the Torch had
> > already been optioned as a single character, and kids setting themselves
> > aflame wasn't a concern.
>
> The FF's Torch or the WW2 Torch?
Johnny Storm.
>
> In any case, Firestar isn't covered by flames. In theory kids shouldn't
> light themselves up to imitate her.
Might lock themselves in the freezer to be Bobby though. :)
M.O.R
wrote:
> On 06 Aug 2009, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <Xns9C5EE9654ACE0daibhidchenedelha...@130.133.1.4>,
> > Daibhid Ceanaideach <daibhidchened...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> On 05 Aug 2009, "M.O.R" <preda...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
>
> >> > On Aug 5, 8:14 pm, "M.O.R" <preda...@esatclear.ie> wrote:> >> >> > <a5222af6-3796-40ae-9bd6-84d6de579...@c29g2000yqd.googlegroups.co> >> >> > > On Aug 2, 9:17 pm, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> >> > > > In article <Xns9C5B96B66538whatcholooki...@216.168.3.70>,
> >> >> > > > Billy Bissette <bai...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > > > > Michael <thissp...@for.rent> wrote in
> >> >> > > > >news:Y24dm.80886$0e4....@newsfe19.iad:
>
> >> >> > > > > > I enjoy the current Spectacular Spider-Man series,
> >> >> > > > > > though the t
> >> > heme
> >> >> > > > > > song's lyrics blow and seeing Peter romantically
> >> >> > > > > > interested in
> >> > Gwen
> >> >> > > > > > while Mary Jane's around and kinda trying to help them
> >> >> > > > > > get toge
> >> > ther's
> >> >> > > > > > really weird.
>
> >> >> > > > > I haven't watched a Spider-Man cartoon in years. I
> >> >> > > > > recall
> >> > some
> >> >> > > > > friends getting upset about a recent series though, when
> >> >> > > > > the show changed Gwen from wearing glasses to a generic
> >> >> > > > > "cute girl" look.
>
> >> >> > > > Huh? When did Gwen wear glasses?
>
> >> >> > > > --
> >> >> > > > Uncle Jack: "Will, you're invisible!"
> >> >> > > > Will: "Invisible? I can't be! I can touch myself!"
> >> >> > > > --actual dialog from third season LAND OF THE LOST
>
> >> >> > > about herself, as Peter was already in love with her
> >> >> > > beforehand. Even though he is being a real jerk about it.
>
> >> >> > I watched a few eps yesterday. I liked the personal stuff
> >> >> > better tha
> >> > n
> >> >> > the villain business; sort of felt like Spider-Man loves Mary
> >> >> > Jane (except of course he doesn't). I have to confess, it makes
> >> >> > me queasy
> >> > to
> >> >> > see Norman Osborn and Miles Warren talking about Gwen; I imagine
> >> >> > that's the intention. It also bothers me that Aunt May looks
> >> >> > just like an older Gwen; I'm going to put that down to a
> >> >> > limitation imposed by the art style and talent of the character
> >> >> > designers, and not a deliberate choice.
>
> >> >> > Also, since I told DisXD to record Spider-Man, I got an episode
> >> >> > of AMAZING FRIENDS with Firestar and Icemen and the X-Men versus
> >> >> > some horrible cyborg villain. Gads, what a dreadful show. I
> >> >> > wouldn't b
> >> > e
> >> >> > surprised to see that Glen Hill worked on it.
>
> >> >> > A brunette Liz Allan? Really? What do you want to bet she
> >> >> > started
> >> > out
> >> >> > as Betty Brant and got a name change before airing?
>
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Uncle Jack: "Will, you're invisible!"
> >> >> > Will: "Invisible? I can't be! I can touch myself!"
> >> >> > text -
>
> >> >> > - Show quoted text -
>
> >> >> not seen that show in ages. I know alot of people were not fans
> >> >> of it, and it has been so long since I saw the show, I didn't know
> >> >> that the X- men starred in it, but I have only sporadic memories
> >> >> of the show.- Hide q
> >> > uoted text -
>
> >> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >> > troublesome brother with the gambling addiction just like Untold
> >> > Tales of Spider- man when Betty's bro got wrapped up in criminal
> >> > activiities, and then gets killed. Except this time Betty's bro
> >> > becomes Molten Man. Sorry, Liz's bro.
>
> >> Although Spectacular also has an actual Betty Brant.
>
> > LOL, haven't seen her yet. Is she blonde?
>
> No, she's dark-haired. I think she only appeared in a couple of episodes.
> She's JJ's PA, and Peter asks her out, but since she's, like, twenty and
> he's fifteen, she turns him down.
>
> On the subject of characters changing race, the Bugle also has an Asian
> reporter called Ned *Lee*...
>
> --
> Dave
> "All those with psychokinesis, raise my hand."
> The Room With No Doors, Kate Orman- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
For a moment therem I thougt you were gonna say "Asian Reporter Trisha
Takanowa". Family Guy reference.
M.O.R
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ah yes, and obvious attempt by Avi Arad to sell toys. The Vision was
there too, and he could fly, both in and out of comics. The whole
show was pointless, however, even if it had been made in the sixties,
nobody would have watched it.
M.O.R
> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:14:54 -0700 (PDT), "M.O.R"
>
> >You are right about Firestar, she never appeared in a comic book until
> >after the show.
>
> And, even then, they made her an x-character and kept her out of the
> Spiderman books entirely...I'm sure they've met at some point but I'm
> having a hard time thinking of when...although the spider-clone was a
> New Warrior for about 15 minutes.
It was mentioned in their first meeting that Bobby and Firestar were
former X-men, hence why she joined the X-men. Should have said hi to
Spider-man once in a while, though.
According to wikipedia, he has, in the 616 universse, although he is
in the early stages of his powers. Whether the character is
develloped futher we will see.
Hand-of-Omega
> Hand-of-Omega wrote:
> > Speaking of DC cartoons...why had I never heard of this??
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDqamjm8lc4&feature=related
>
> This is based on DC Comics?!
>
meant to put here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWdDha2HOBI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DMCNZfGFq8&feature=related
(Tho a comics adaptation of Romance of the Three Kingdoms would be
kickass! But more likely for Marvel to do...I am enjoying their Iliad
adaptation...)
Dex
M.O.R
> In article <jwehm.81281$O23.66...@newsfe11.iad>,
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael <thissp...@for.rent> wrote:
> > Anim8rFSK wrote:
>
> > > Billy Bissette <bai...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
>
> > >>"M.O.R" <preda...@esatclear.ie> wrote in news:3177b56e-9751-4038-a279-
> > >>902b560eb...@o6g2000yqj.googlegroups.com:
>
> > >>>I initially first thought that they used
> > >>>Ice Man because Human Torch would have been seen as possibly a
> > >>>dangerous influence on kids to set themselves on fire, but then I
> > >>>looked at Firestar.
>
> > >> Wasn't that the reason Human Torch was replaced by Herbie the robot
> > >>in one of the older Fantastic Four cartoon series?
>
> > > That was the story, although recently it's been said that the Torch had
> > > already been optioned as a single character, and kids setting themselves
> > > aflame wasn't a concern.
>
> > The FF's Torch or the WW2 Torch?
>
> Johnny Storm.
>
>
>
> > In any case, Firestar isn't covered by flames. In theory kids shouldn't
> > light themselves up to imitate her.
>
> Might lock themselves in the freezer to be Bobby though. :)
>
> --
> Uncle Jack: "Will, you're invisible!"
> Will: "Invisible? I can't be! I can touch myself!"
>
> - Show quoted text -
One of the reasons that the Back to the Future car was used rather
than a refrigerator. It is really weird how execs assume kids are
stupid.
grinningdemon
<pred...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
>On Aug 14, 4:04�am, grinningdemon <grinningde...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:14:54 -0700 (PDT), "M.O.R"
>>
>> <preda...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
>> >You are right about Firestar, she never appeared in a comic book until
>> >after the show. �
>>
>> And, even then, they made her an x-character and kept her out of the
>> Spiderman books entirely...I'm sure they've met at some point but I'm
>> having a hard time thinking of when...although the spider-clone was a
>> New Warrior for about 15 minutes.
>
>It was mentioned in their first meeting that Bobby and Firestar were
>former X-men, hence why she joined the X-men. Should have said hi to
>Spider-man once in a while, though.
Well, she never actually JOINED the X-Men...or any other x-team...she
just kind of hovered around the x-books (including a mini series of
her own that tied in to New Mutants) before landing a spot in the New
Warriors and later, briefly, the Avengers.
Come to think of it, I don't recall her ever meeting Iceman in the
comics, either...he was no longer with the X-Men by the time she came
along and didn't return until after she had moved over to New
Warriors.
Well, I read all the x-books (and have for 20 years) so all I can say
is, if he has appeared (and I think that Wiki entry might be wrong),
it couldn't have been much more than a cameo appearance and, as they
didn't even bother to keep him around on XME, I wouldn't expect to see
much out of him...in fact, the Wiki entry seems to contradict itself
as it mentions his appearance in the 616 universe while, further down
the page, it says he has never appeared in regular X-Men continuity.
grinningdemon
<pred...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
>On Aug 14, 4:24�ｿｽpm, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
>> In article <jwehm.81281$O23.66...@newsfe11.iad>,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> �ｿｽMichael <thissp...@for.rent> wrote:
>> > Anim8rFSK wrote:
>>
>> > > In article <Xns9C67DCF1C6F5whatcholooki...@216.168.3.70>,
>> > > �ｿｽBilly Bissette <bai...@coastalnet.com> wrote:
>>
>> > >>"M.O.R" <preda...@esatclear.ie> wrote in news:3177b56e-9751-4038-a279-
>> > >>902b560eb...@o6g2000yqj.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > >>>I initially first thought that they used
>> > >>>Ice Man because Human Torch would have been seen as possibly a
>> > >>>dangerous influence on kids to set themselves on fire, but then I
>> > >>>looked at Firestar.
>>
>> > >> �ｿｽWasn't that the reason Human Torch was replaced by Herbie the robot
>> > >>in one of the older Fantastic Four cartoon series?
>>
>> > > That was the story, although recently it's been said that the Torch had
>> > > already been optioned as a single character, and kids setting themselves
>> > > aflame wasn't a concern.
>>
>> > The FF's Torch or the WW2 Torch?
>>
>> Johnny Storm.
>>
>>
>>
>> > In any case, Firestar isn't covered by flames. �ｿｽIn theory kids shouldn't
>> > light themselves up to imitate her.
>>
>> Might lock themselves in the freezer to be Bobby though. �ｿｽ:)
>>
>> --
>> Uncle Jack: "Will, you're invisible!"
>> Will: "Invisible? I can't be! I can touch myself!"
>> --actual dialog from third season LAND OF THE LOST- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>One of the reasons that the Back to the Future car was used rather
>than a refrigerator. It is really weird how execs assume kids are
>stupid.
Well, I know A LOT of stupid kids, actually...but I say, if they are
THAT stupid, we should just let them light themselves on fire and
chalk it up to natural selection.
Tim Turnip
<pred...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
It isn't so much that they assume all kids are stupid, than it is that
they are trying to protect themselves from the wrath of over-litigous
parents of the small minority of kids that actually are stupid.
Besides, I think in Back To The Future's case, we can all pretty much
agree that the producers made the correct decision on stylistic merit.
M.O.R
wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:35:31 -0700 (PDT), "M.O.R"
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Aug 14, 4:24 pm, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
> >> In article <jwehm.81281$O23.66...@newsfe11.iad>,
>
> >> > Anim8rFSK wrote:
>
> >> > > In article <Xns9C67DCF1C6F5whatcholooki...@216.168.3.70>,
>
> >> > >>"M.O.R" <preda...@esatclear.ie> wrote in news:3177b56e-9751-4038-a279-
> >> > >>902b560eb...@o6g2000yqj.googlegroups.com:
>
> >> > >>>I initially first thought that they used
> >> > >>>Ice Man because Human Torch would have been seen as possibly a
> >> > >>>dangerous influence on kids to set themselves on fire, but then I
> >> > >>>looked at Firestar.
>
> >> > >>in one of the older Fantastic Four cartoon series?
>
> >> > > That was the story, although recently it's been said that the Torch had
> >> > > already been optioned as a single character, and kids setting themselves
> >> > > aflame wasn't a concern.
>
> >> > The FF's Torch or the WW2 Torch?
>
> >> Johnny Storm.
>
> >> > light themselves up to imitate her.
>
>
> >> --
> >> Uncle Jack: "Will, you're invisible!"
> >> Will: "Invisible? I can't be! I can touch myself!"
> >> --actual dialog from third season LAND OF THE LOST- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >One of the reasons that the Back to the Future car was used rather
> >than a refrigerator. It is really weird how execs assume kids are
> >stupid.
>
> Well, I know A LOT of stupid kids, actually...but I say, if they are
> THAT stupid, we should just let them light themselves on fire and
>
> - Show quoted text -
Reminds me of a Denis Leary sketch....
grinningdemon
I've always been a proponent of the idea that some people are just too
stupid to live...I'm not surprised others have arrived at the same
idea.
Billy Bissette
news:cddc8913-272e-4c94...@18g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
>> In article <jwehm.81281$O23.66...@newsfe11.iad>,
>> > In any case, Firestar isn't covered by flames. �In theory kids
>> > should
> n't
>> > light themselves up to imitate her.
>>
>> Might lock themselves in the freezer to be Bobby though. �:)
>
> One of the reasons that the Back to the Future car was used rather
> than a refrigerator. It is really weird how execs assume kids are
> stupid.
Kids are stupid.
I remember when I was a kid, and I was stupid. Same for my
friends and relatives. And most of the kids I know today. It is
just that most kids live through their stupidity, and even
remember some of those acts fondly.
Michael
> Might lock themselves in the freezer to be Bobby though. :)
If the freezer's on the bottom, or one of those huge freezers you'd keep
in your basement I could see that.
Michael
BLACKMYSTECH RANGER
Re: Marvel cartoons series? What to do?
Group: rec.arts.comics.marvel.universe Date: Thu, Aug 13, 2009, 10:58am
(CDT-2) From: hando...@hotmail.com (Hand-of-Omega)
Runaways? Young Avengers? Thunderbolts?
I think Young Avengers, Power Pack, Runaways, ThunderBolts could work,
if they alternate days with the cartoons,!
Time to be evil!!
Let's Rock!!!
Kitty Pryde/ShadowCat is HOT!!!
Badness is cool!!!
Michael
THIN THE HERD!
Michael
Anim8rFSK
grinningdemon <grinni...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
"Think of it as evolution in action"
Rob Cypher
>grinningdemon wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 16:18:06 -0700, Michael <this...@for.rent>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Kevin wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Anybody else have any kinda problems with Marvel cartoons? Some have been
>>>>pretty good, but to me, generally, they have been lacking. Be it story or
>>>>animation quality, Marvel just doesn't seem to have the same magic as DC. I
>>>>loved Justice League and Justice League Unlimited. The Batman/ Superman
>>>>series of the 90's was pretty good, too. Marvel had a few good spots (90's
>>>>Spiderman, X-men: Evolution, and yes, Wolverine and the X-men [seems to be
>>>>picking up some steam]). But for every good attempt, there's shows that seem
>>>>to go in circles and not get anywhere (The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man:
>>>>Armored Adventures). The 90's X-men seemed lacking in animation quality and
>>>>the storyline seemed to wander a bit. Don't even get me started on the
>>>>Avengers and Spider-man Unlimited...
>>>
>>>I enjoy the current Spectacular Spider-Man series, though the theme
>>>song's lyrics blow and seeing Peter romantically interested in Gwen
>>>while Mary Jane's around and kinda trying to help them get together's
>>>really weird.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Anyhoo, my question is this: What is wrong with Marvel animation? Any chance
>>>>of righting the wrong? Can Marvel rebound and put out decent cartoons? Me,
>>>>I'd like to see Mavel cartoons that:
>>>>1) accurately retells the comic stories, even back from the 60's. Start an
>>>>X-Men and/ or Avengers series with the original lineup and be committed to
>>>>develop the project for years. Let's watch them grow, but not too slowly.
>>>
>>>Planet Hulk's being animated.
>>>
>>>
>>>>2) Let's have our heroes do what they are equipped to do. Violence is more
>>>>accepted now-a-days. I hate watching X-Men cartoons because Wolvie never
>>>>uses his claws on anyone he can actually harm. BTW, I LOVED the Hulk vs.
>>>>series! But yeah, Wolvie has been reduced to scratching rocks and carving up
>>>>walls.
>>>
>>>Unless you have Wolverine on the Simpsons, I don't think you're gonna
>>>see Wolverine launching into anyone with the claws.
>>>
>>>
>>>>3) give me DC like cartoon animation. I have not been impressed with Marvels
>>>>attempt at animation. Even the Ultimate Avengers DVDs left something to be
>>>>desired. Remember Spider-man Unlimited?
>>>
>>>X-Men Evolution was really good. SSM's fine, but it's style took me
>>>some getting used to.
>>>
>>>Michael
>>
>>
>> I wish X-Men Evolution had gone on longer...it was a great take on the
>> X-Men
>
>IIRC, it was doing just fine on whichever Saturday Morning cartoon
>schedule it was on (I wanna say Fox). Then Cartoon Network bought it
>and pretty much buried Season 4. It's making the rounds on one of the
>other cable cartoon networks these days.
>
>> ...I haven't been able to get past the animation style to give
>> Spectacular Spiderman a chance but I've heard good things
>
>Some of the character designs do take a little getting used to. Like
>Pete's nose and the freckle/mole/teardrop tattoo he's got in the series.
Spider-Man has a teardrop tattoo? Does he has web tattoos too?
It sounds like he joined the Aryan Nation.
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>In article
><c9f32804-86bd-41c7...@24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> "M.O.R" <pred...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
>
>> That said, I would totally date Gwen's voice actress Lacey Chabert.
>> No competition there, she is stunning.
>
>I worked on Wild Thornberries, so I still think of Lacey as Liza and
>like 10 years old, but I hear what you're saying. :)
Oh jeez...then you won't want to hear what I did to her anus yesterday. Let's
just say she ain't no little girl anymore, that's for sure! ;)
BTW...you understand what he's saying even though you think of her as ten years
old? that's kinda sick man. like that time mick jagger told that actress he
wanted to fuck her since he saw her on TV when she was 8.
Where is Chris Hanson when you need him?
Rich Jordan
> On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:49:43 -0700, Michael <thissp...@for.rent> wrote:
> >grinningdemon wrote:
>
> Permabanned from the Dextroverse and Bluelight
Does Marvel Entertainment do (still do) the animations? If so things
may change again:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/disney-to-acquire-marvel-entertainment-2009-08-31-9050
M.O.R
> On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:49:43 -0700, Michael <thissp...@for.rent> wrote:
> >grinningdemon wrote:
>
> Permabanned from the Dextroverse and Bluelight- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
It's actually either a mole or a freckle, not a teardrop tattoo. It's
round for one thing, not tear shaped.
M.O.R
> On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:44:40 -0700, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
> >In article
> ><c9f32804-86bd-41c7-90f5-27cc25fe3...@24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
> > "M.O.R" <preda...@esatclear.ie> wrote:
>
> >> That said, I would totally date Gwen's voice actress Lacey Chabert.
> >> No competition there, she is stunning.
>
> >I worked on Wild Thornberries, so I still think of Lacey as Liza and
> >like 10 years old, but I hear what you're saying. :)
>
> Oh jeez...then you won't want to hear what I did to her anus yesterday. Let's
> just say she ain't no little girl anymore, that's for sure! ;)
>
> BTW...you understand what he's saying even though you think of her as ten years
> old? that's kinda sick man. like that time mick jagger told that actress he
> wanted to fuck her since he saw her on TV when she was 8.
>
> Where is Chris Hanson when you need him?
>
> Permabanned from the Dextroverse and Bluelight
Lacey Chabert was voicing a ten year old girl in the Wild
Thornberries. The character was ten, not Lacey. LAcey was actually
between the ages of 15 and 19 during the shows run.
Aje.RavenStar
"Rich Jordan" <jor...@ccs4vms.com> wrote in message
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Does Marvel Entertainment do (still do) the animations? If so things
may change again:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/disney-to-acquire-marvel-entertainment-2009-08-31-9050
They will change again. The rumors are already flying about - Wolverine on
Ice <ducking>
Rob Kelk
And the remake of The Punisher where nobody dies... <also ducking>
--
Rob Kelk <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/> e-mail: s/deadspam/gmail/
"And really, you think people who watch Japanese cartoons would be
a little more understanding of the seemingly odd hobbies of other
fringe groups." - Chris "Blade" McNeil, 20 Jan 2004
Rob Cypher
Lacey used to voice Meg for Family Guy before she left the show because
it offended her Christian values.
Article in question:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.gossip.celebrities/msg/cb77a2eafaa7796c
ps if she was in her mid-teens during the shows run, does that really make it
better that someone who a) was probably at least 30something during the shows
run and b) worked on the same project as her, had a crush on her? That's still
Chris Hanson terrority in a lot of states, friend.
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