PSA: Richard Sachs(!) Rivendell on CL

[Beaverton Bob]

https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/richard-sachs-built-custom/6238145416.html

Thought it would be interesting for the group to see this!

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob

[dougP]

All things considered, this one could be considered a collector's item.  Hopefully someone will jump on it & ride it. 

dougP

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I guess stating the obvious here but no matter how special the bike is, if it doesn't fit well it's just not going to be loved

[Don Compton]

If that was a 59 or 60, 58tt, I would be all over this bike. What a combo. Sachs and Grant!!!!!!!!!

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 2:39:20 PM UTC-7, Beaverton Bob wrote:

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Doug, That's my friend Bryn's bike! You rode with her and Arlo at least once: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4469017732/

 

Here's a photo to show how fast she can go on it: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4469041906/ 

The frame was made in the transitional years after Joe Stark and Curt Goodrich stopped building, and when Grant was trying on different builders for size. Richard Sachs built three Rivendell customs, of which this is frame number two (RS2).

If it fits you or someone you care about, would be a GREAT road bike. Classic road geometry, fits a 32mm. I always kept bugging her to do a 650B conversion on it, as I think it begs for one! Classic garage queen, she rides her MTB and now her Salsa XC bike a lot more. This one has had probably less than 50 miles since purchasing the Salsa in 2010. Unmentioned is that it also has a TA Zephyr triple crankset, the best crankset ever made according to some highly biased people.

They are flexible on price, so don't let the asking price scare you off. They're hoping for an off-shore collector type with petro-dollars to burn that will swoop in and grab it. If that's not you, drop 'em a line and work something out!

[Bill in Roswell GA]

I've seen e-richie's geo on his personal CX and it is a near duplicate of my bikes with the 54.5 or so top tube. 

What is really interesting is how he derives his frame geo - by front center and reach, everything else falls into place whatever it may be. 

Did he and Grant coincide on the geo or was it all on Grant? The tube choices look very Richie influenced towards a lively CX style bike with shorter rake than modern Rivs.

A special bike indeed for those of us of average to slightly below average height, (for men, 5'7" to 5'9" should fit this bike with only a stem length change). 

Alas, I've too many horses in the stable.....

Cheers,

Bill in Roswell, GA

[Bill in Roswell GA]

Petro dollars still exist? (hey, I worked for Chevron and my retirement is tied to petro).

However, there are some Japanese and Taiwanese riders that would love a bike like this! 

If he wants international interest, it should be posted on eBay with Paypal only payment to cover any hijinks. 

Maybe Jan would know an interested buyer? 

Cheers,

Bill in Roswell, GA waiting on a week of non-rainy days 

[cyclotourist]

Bill, my hunch is that it is that Grant and e-RICHIE came up with what they both agreed on would be a great bike. 

I can't imagine either of those individuals doing something they didn't believe in!

Agreed on the international exposure, but I think they want local cash sale. That obviously limits the market, but one can hope! 

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David

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"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal

[dougP]

David:

That must have been the first Redlands ride that you hosted.  Looks very springtime with everything still green, and that hasn't happened for while until this year. 

Hope they are able to get that price.  Does seem like something a collector would lust after.  The things you find on Craigslist......

doug

[Joe Bernard]

One thing to remember is it's a full custom, so the original buyer was involved in the design, too. Grant is pretty strict about using the customer's expressed style of riding to create his vision of how that will look. I would be surprised if e-richie had any more input in the design than Starck and Goodrich did for their builds atmo.

[Kieran J]

Those seat stay caps are classic Sachs. Very cool!

KJ

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 5:39:20 PM UTC-4, Beaverton Bob wrote:

[Joe Bernard]

That bike really needs a decent full drive-side pic. I can't see the brifters or rear derailer.

[cyclotourist]

Email them, you know you want to!!!

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:

That bike really needs a decent full drive-side pic. I can't see the brifters or rear derailer.

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[Joe Bernard]

Dude, I just bought a Clem. There's no way that immaculate custom Riv/Sachs totally my size will ever come down in price enough for me!

[Mark in Beacon]

At an asking price of $3800, it really needs better lighting, better background,  and better photos all around.

[cyclotourist]

Send them an email, link is in the CL posting! Let your voices be heard!!!

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[Beaverton Bob]

I'm just happy my sharing the listing has generated a LOT of discussion!  In case you all are wondering, there is at least ONE person who might fit the bike, can appreciate it, and is close enough to actually go for a test ride:  ME.

I am about 5'9", ride a 55 Hillborne daily, and also have a "vintage" 54cm Cannondale R400.

But, of course, the price is too high for me.  My excuse is that I already have those two other bikes,and prefer to be able to use 38mm tires.

Ride Safely,

Beaverton Bob 

(Beaverton is the closest suburb West of Portland)

[Doug Van Cleve]

It is a neat frame and an interesting part of Rivendell custom history.  My issue is that it is not better in any way than a Joe Starck, Curt Goodrich or Mark Nobilette built custom.  It is not a Sachs, I would bet the geometry is completely GP, but it's about double the going rate because RS built it.  Super cool for the right buyer, I guess...

Doug

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[Ryan Fleming]

I would agree with you there; it is a GP design and the other 3 builders are just as skilled at the execution of that design

On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 3:12:11 PM UTC-5, Doug Van Cleve wrote:

It is a neat frame and an interesting part of Rivendell custom history.  My issue is that it is not better in any way than a Joe Starck, Curt Goodrich or Mark Nobilette built custom.  It is not a Sachs, I would bet the geometry is completely GP, but it's about double the going rate because RS built it.  Super cool for the right buyer, I guess...

Doug

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:00 AM, 'Beaverton Bob' via RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I'm just happy my sharing the listing has generated a LOT of discussion!  In case you all are wondering, there is at least ONE person who might fit the bike, can appreciate it, and is close enough to actually go for a test ride:  ME.

I am about 5'9", ride a 55 Hillborne daily, and also have a "vintage" 54cm Cannondale R400.

But, of course, the price is too high for me.  My excuse is that I already have those two other bikes,and prefer to be able to use 38mm tires.

Ride Safely,

Beaverton Bob 

(Beaverton is the closest suburb West of Portland)

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[Joe Bernard]

Yes, this is what I was alluding to in my earlier comment. I don't think there would be an appreciable difference in design and construction because e-RICHIE brazed it. It's a very nice Grant-designed Rivendell.

[Doug Van Cleve]

Don't get me wrong, it's super cool that e-Richie built it. For me, that adds some value but it certainly doesn't double the value or anything close to it… 

[cyclotourist]

Right next door to you in Multnomah Village... go check out some ferrous eye candy!!!

Seriously, they are very motivated, don't let the asking price drive anyone away!

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[Christopher Murray]

I think this is a pretty special bike and probably worth the asking price. How long it would take to sell at that price is anyone's guess but I think it would eventually sell. I can't imagine sellling it for less than $3500 if it was mine. We are talking about Richard Sachs... THE Richard Sachs.

Hopefully someone buys it and rides the heck out of it.

Cheers!
Chris

[Taz Taylor]

Having sold 3 Richard Sachs frames (and traded another), I'm inclined to agree with Doug and Ryan.   Very pretty frame but still only a Richie brazed Riv custom.  Curt and Mark also extremely nice frames.

This is my size - I recently had a chance to pick up a newer Sachs for $1700 - and I would say that's probably about the value of this bike.  The parts are decent but nothing special.  If I were to buy, I'd ask the seller to strip to frame/fork/headset before shipping.

- Taz 

[Steve]

RS2...As the owner of RS1, never thought I'd see RS2 or RS3 in the wild...

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 9:58:00 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

[cyclotourist]

Pictures, Steve!!!

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[Steve]

Pictured from a previous owner, so not as currently built.  I think I am either the 3rd or 4th owner, maybe further down the line.  Frame was re-painted to its current color back around 2006...believe original color was similar to RS2. 

Specs as follows:

Headset Dura Ace
Stem: Nitto 10cm lugged (paint to match head tube)
Seat Tube: 56cm (C-T)
Seat tube angle: 73.00 deg
Horizontal TT length: 55.00cm (C-C)
TT Downslope angle: 1.0 deg
Head tube angle: 73.00 deg
Chainstay: 42.0 to 44 cm (horizontal dropout)
BB Drop: 7.5cm
Front Center: 58.5 cm
Head tube ext: 2cm
Stand over with Conti 28c on Velocity Aerohead rim: 80cm

Wasn't intending this as a FS, but if anyone is interested...

On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 11:05:00 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

Pictures, Steve!!!

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 5:25 PM, 'Steve' via RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

RS2...As the owner of RS1, never thought I'd see RS2 or RS3 in the wild...

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 9:58:00 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

Doug, That's my friend Bryn's bike! You rode with her and Arlo at least once: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4469017732/

 

Here's a photo to show how fast she can go on it: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4469041906/ 

The frame was made in the transitional years after Joe Stark and Curt Goodrich stopped building, and when Grant was trying on different builders for size. Richard Sachs built three Rivendell customs, of which this is frame number two (RS2).

If it fits you or someone you care about, would be a GREAT road bike. Classic road geometry, fits a 32mm. I always kept bugging her to do a 650B conversion on it, as I think it begs for one! Classic garage queen, she rides her MTB and now her Salsa XC bike a lot more. This one has had probably less than 50 miles since purchasing the Salsa in 2010. Unmentioned is that it also has a TA Zephyr triple crankset, the best crankset ever made according to some highly biased people.

They are flexible on price, so don't let the asking price scare you off. They're hoping for an off-shore collector type with petro-dollars to burn that will swoop in and grab it. If that's not you, drop 'em a line and work something out!

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 2:46:43 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

All things considered, this one could be considered a collector's item.  Hopefully someone will jump on it & ride it. 

dougP

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 2:39:20 PM UTC-7, Beaverton Bob wrote:

https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/richard-sachs-built-custom/6238145416.html

Thought it would be interesting for the group to see this!

Ride Safely,
Beaverton Bob

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[Steve]

[cyclotourist]

Nice, with couplers even! 

Love that seat cluster!!

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[Jonathan D.]

This is still available and now they are only asking $2000 from over $3000 to start. What a beautiful build.