Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Daniel D.]

Anxiously awaiting their arrival.  Got all my parts, excited for the looming build.

[Jay Connolly]

Dave told me a while back that they could be in as early as October 6th. I'm sure we'd know if that had happened. I'm not getting a Roadini, but I've been watching the site for builds and frames because after the Roadinis are in, the Big Clem L's will be next!

Jay

[Nels Sorenson]

Mine's getting prepped for shipping right now.  Got the call from Mark yesterday, looking forward to building this up on the weekend!

Nels

[LBleriot]

Grant called me yesterday.  We switched up the size based on our discussion, and my frameset should be shipping out this week.

[William R.]

Will called me last night. My 57cm Grilver Roadini is there. I am building it up myself so the frame should be on its way to me today. Can’t wait!

Bill in Westchester, NY

[Daniel D.]

Got the call yesterday too.  Gotta make time to go pick it up.  Wonder who's going to be the first to show off their build?

[Bill Lindsay]

It's usually me who builds fast and wants to show off, but I didn't buy a Roadini, so it won't be me this time.  :-)

Speaking of quick builds, I'll start a new thread...

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

[islaysteve]

So I guess that the Roadini is the new Bleriot, only, you know, not 650b.  I say this as a Bleriot owner.  I took a good look at the photos on the Riv site last night and it's a great-looking bike.  Similar price point to where the Bleriot was, and the blue color is even quite similar.  I personally think the Grilver is very nice, would choose that one.  I'm sure that the new owners will enjoy their Roadinis immensely and I look forward to build photos.  Cheers,
Steve Alkire
Kensington, MD

[Nels Sorenson]

Frame arrived yesterday, did a quick built up and now trying out stems to see which is the ticket.

This is the first drop-bar bike I've had in twenty years.  After a few short test rides I think I'll be able to do drop bars again!

Nels

[Ed Carolipio]

Congrats, Nels, and thanks for sharing.

--Ed C.

[Daniel D.]

Picked mine up yesterday.  Really happy with the blue.  Pointed tips with contrasting paint and the paw prints are really nice touches

[Jay Connolly]

If anyone has a 61, I’d love to know the virtual top tube length and the stack.

Jay

[Nels Sorenson]

Thought I'd give an update and short ride impressions of my 51 Roadini.  

I've got about a hundred miles on the Grilver beauty now and am pleased to be able to ride drop bars again after many years of "comfy" bikes. 

I took a few short 8 mile rides while building up trying out different iterations of parts.  The bike felt wonderful on those rides rewarding effort with smooth speed.  The subtle ovalizing of the tubing really stiffens up the bottom bracket and this bike is very responsive when climbing and sprinting

. 

On the weekend I took a serious 42 mile, 3000'  out and back ride down to the Columbia River in Central Washington where I live.  I was a little sore and bonked after that one. The next day I did a  nice mellow 35 mile ride with some snacks.  The ride is smooth and fast and comfy with the long stays.  Very stable even though I have some skinny wheels with 28 mm tires for now.  Looking forward to some wider rims and tires. 

Here are a couple pics of the Roadini and Clem Jr., my budget Riv beauties.

[Joe Bernard]

I dig it. The butternut Clem is suave, too.

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Very,very nice! I like your builds

[Ian A]

+1. The Roadini looks super sharp, and that butterscotch colour on the Clem is really nice.

A good brace of bicycles.

IanA

[William R.]

Very nice Nels. The scrub is a great backdrop. Central Washington is so different. It looks like the high plains or desert! Enjoy your Rivs, I sure am enjoying mine!

Bill in Westchester, NY

[Sky Coulter]

Both bikes look fantastic Nels!  And your Roadini is making me wonder how the ride would compare w my Romulus.

Sky in new west

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[Mark in Beacon]

SWeet seat. Now you just need some of this:

 Actually, any of the colors in the seat will look fabulous against the "grilver." Which, by the way, is probably one of Grant's catchiest portmanteaus. Although there is some evidence it is being used in some kind of reference to barbecue cooking in Spanish, none of the mentions I found in a cursory search predates the 2012 Grilver Sam.

On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 8:32:09 AM UTC-7, Nels Sorenson wrote:

[Mark in Beacon]

Oops. Did not see the rest of the thread. Looks like you swapped the saddle out for something a bit more traditional. Maybe you could sell it to Jenny, she could probably make it work.  Comment re: Grilver still stands though.

[RichS]

Nels, you've got a great looking pair of Rivs there! Love the curve on the Roadini fork. Nice pics too!

Regards,

Richard 

[Paul Y]

That looks fantastic Nels, the Grilver is gorgeous. Your colorful saddle is a very fun touch!

What cranks are those?

Looking at your build makes me want to take all the useful stuff off of my grey/red Roadeo and go blasting.

[R Shannon]

Paul, I'm curious. Do you think the Roadini would be much different than the Roadeo? They seem comparable other than frame tubes, number of lugs on the Roadeo and perhaps a couple of pounds weight difference.

Thanks very much,

Richard  

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[Mark in Beacon]

I'm not Paul, but I can tell you that, given the same parts hanging off the frame and fork, the difference in weight will be minimal--ounces, not pounds. Slightly more metal in the tubing, but less tubing for a given size. Essentially weight between the two should be a non-factor, unless perhaps you are intent on building a sub-20 pound road machine. It is mostly a choice between affordability and aesthetics, though you can get the Roadeo in more sizes, for those whose body cannot be accommodated by a more general fit.

On Friday, November 3, 2017 at 7:06:40 AM UTC-7, RichS wrote:

Paul, I'm curious. Do you think the Roadini would be much different than the Roadeo? They seem comparable other than frame tubes, number of lugs on the Roadeo and perhaps a couple of pounds weight difference.

Thanks very much,

Richard  

On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 12:50 AM, Paul Y <pauly...@gmail.com> wrote:

That looks fantastic Nels, the Grilver is gorgeous. Your colorful saddle is a very fun touch!

What cranks are those?

Looking at your build makes me want to take all the useful stuff off of my grey/red Roadeo and go blasting.

On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 11:32:09 PM UTC+8, Nels Sorenson wrote:

Frame arrived yesterday, did a quick built up and now trying out stems to see which is the ticket.

This is the first drop-bar bike I've had in twenty years.  After a few short test rides I think I'll be able to do drop bars again!

Nels

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[Nels Sorenson]

Thanks for the comments!

Paul, those are Sugino mighty tour double cranks, 46-34.  I am still auditioning seats, have a Berthoud on the way to try out.  The seat cover is a fun way to add some color...

I did a quick bathroom scale weight check and got 22 pounds!  I am impressed with the light weight as I wasn't trying very hard for a light build. 

The bike does feel light and sprightly on the road while still being smooth and stable, very nice ride quality.  No hands riding is possible.

These are very nice frames with lots of fine details that just happen to be partly, nicely tigged instead of all lugged.

Nels

[Belopsky]

Roadeo (iirc) is made of thinner tubing and comes in more sizes.

The geometry is also different.

I am so hung up on the sloping top tubes on bikes that I asked Gunnar to make my custom w/ as horizontal top tube as possible,.

On Friday, November 3, 2017 at 10:06:40 AM UTC-4, RichS wrote:

Paul, I'm curious. Do you think the Roadini would be much different than the Roadeo? They seem comparable other than frame tubes, number of lugs on the Roadeo and perhaps a couple of pounds weight difference.

Thanks very much,

Richard  

On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 12:50 AM, Paul Y <pauly...@gmail.com> wrote:

That looks fantastic Nels, the Grilver is gorgeous. Your colorful saddle is a very fun touch!

What cranks are those?

Looking at your build makes me want to take all the useful stuff off of my grey/red Roadeo and go blasting.

On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 11:32:09 PM UTC+8, Nels Sorenson wrote:

Frame arrived yesterday, did a quick built up and now trying out stems to see which is the ticket.

This is the first drop-bar bike I've had in twenty years.  After a few short test rides I think I'll be able to do drop bars again!

Nels

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[Paul Y]

Hi Richard,

Don’t think I’m in any position to comment on that, but I think they are practically similar based on the literature.

[LBleriot]

My grilver was delivered a few days ago and to my surprise came with a packing tape gun inside the main triangle!  I know that the seatpost, HS and BB were included, but the tape gun was a nice extra.  Anyways, after collecting all of the various and sundry parts I built it up over the holiday weekend and took it for the maiden voyage.  I built it with 8 speed bits and leftover wheels.  I'm not a big fan of the 31.8 DT which required a jury rigged clamp, and the Panaracer tires will not last long.  The ride was as expected; a fun do all, go anywhere but large rock gardens bike.  A nice, long wheel base and extra tall HT.   Just the way I like it.  Thanks Grant for calling me to switch my size from 57 to 54!  The fit is spot on.

[Don Compton]

I currently own a 59cm Roadeo and owned a 60cm Rambouilet in the past. With the exception of the sloping top tube and the extra space for fat tires, the Roadini's geo looks very similar to a Ram.

[Patrick Moore]

Don: I'm at least somewhat personally interested, having owned and sold a Ram and yearned after a Roadeo. Are you saying (I want to be very clear) that the Roadini is closer in design to the Ram than to the Roadeo?

The reason: I thought the Ram was a very nice bike, but it was a wee bit sedate and stoutish to fill a useful niche in my stable alongside 2 Riv Road customs. 

Thanks.

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[Mark in Beacon]

Then again, maybe you're ready now for sedate and stoutish...

From what the designer has said several times since the model was announced, the Roadini was more or less created to be a less expensive alternative to the company's "road bike" model, ie, the Roadeo. I did not look to compare the geometries between the Roadini and the Ram, but if you are of the J. Heine School of Planing, it may be that, rather than geometry differences between the three models, a slightly thicker tubeset, while not of any consequence weight-wise, could dampen the "spirited riding" ever so little of a bit as to put the Roadini more in the Ram than the Roadeo territory in terms of road feel. If so, I suspect that would not affect the great majority of people who want a go out for a 20-60 mile fast recreational ride type of bike. Especially those who never had a Ram which they felt was too sedate.

in 2015 we sketched out a bike with the ride of the roadeo and all the qualties a road bike should have. it’s safe, comfortable, good for all roads & weather, and fun to ride. this June we’ll have it: the italian-sounding roadini. 

Roadeo vs RoADini 

1. the roadeo has lighter tubes, but roadini’s tubes are light enough. they’re our own silver design, but we’ve chopped from the big-butted ends to minimize weight. it’s probably slightly stronger than necessary. 

2. the same tire clearances —up to a 35mm with no fenders, and easily a 28mm w/fenders. 

3. roadini’s chainstays are a hair longer than the roadeo’s (which are already longer than most)—so it’s more stable, but still zippy. 

4. the roadini top tube slopes up more, so it’s easier to get the bars high. your roadini size is 2-3cm smaller than your roadeo size. 

5. the roadeo frame is made in america and is all lugged, which makes it our flagship road bike. the roadini frame is made in taiwan, is tig-welded except for a seat lug, weighs a few ounces more, and costs $1,450 less

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 8:59:16 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Are you saying (I want to be very clear) that the Roadini is closer in design to the Ram than to the Roadeo?

[Belopsky]

The Roadini is a nice looking bike, and I totally understand the reason to go with a sloping top tube.
The other thing Grant didn't say in regards to this model but, the sloping top tube allows them to make less frame sizes to fit more people/sell more bikes :)

IMO i very much dislike sloping top tubes unless it's a mixte or a step-through thing

[Don Compton]

Just looking at the Roadini frame from the side, it looks like it has the longer chainstays of the Ram vs the Roadeo. The Ram had less room between the chain stays ( width) than a Roadeo or many of their current models. I bet that the Roadini is a great road bike that can handle today's fat but lightweight tires.

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 8:59:16 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:

Don: I'm at least somewhat personally interested, having owned and sold a Ram and yearned after a Roadeo. Are you saying (I want to be very clear) that the Roadini is closer in design to the Ram than to the Roadeo?

The reason: I thought the Ram was a very nice bike, but it was a wee bit sedate and stoutish to fill a useful niche in my stable alongside 2 Riv Road customs. 

Thanks.

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Don Compton <dpc...@gmail.com> wrote:

I currently own a 59cm Roadeo and owned a 60cm Rambouilet in the past. With the exception of the sloping top tube and the extra space for fat tires, the Roadini's geo looks very similar to a Ram.

On Sunday, October 15, 2017 at 12:21:34 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:

Anxiously awaiting their arrival.  Got all my parts, excited for the looming build.

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[LBleriot]

I have a Ram, a Rom, A Roadeo, a Soma San Marcos (see a pattern here?) and I find that the Roadini is closest to the San Marcos, then the Ram/Rom, and least like the Roadeo.  YMMV.

On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 11:59:16 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

Don: I'm at least somewhat personally interested, having owned and sold a Ram and yearned after a Roadeo. Are you saying (I want to be very clear) that the Roadini is closer in design to the Ram than to the Roadeo?

The reason: I thought the Ram was a very nice bike, but it was a wee bit sedate and stoutish to fill a useful niche in my stable alongside 2 Riv Road customs. 

Thanks.

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Don Compton <dpc...@gmail.com> wrote:

I currently own a 59cm Roadeo and owned a 60cm Rambouilet in the past. With the exception of the sloping top tube and the extra space for fat tires, the Roadini's geo looks very similar to a Ram.

On Sunday, October 15, 2017 at 12:21:34 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:

Anxiously awaiting their arrival.  Got all my parts, excited for the looming build.

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[Chris Birkenmaier]

Interesting. I am getting a Roadini and the San Marcos is currently my favorite fast bike

[Ann L]

Chris:

I also have a San Marcos and have long lusted after the Roadeo (which doesn't come in my size). The Roadini seemed very similar to my current bike and I would be interested to know the differences. Please post how they compare once your new bike gets in.

Ann

[Joe Bernard]

New Roadini pics on the BLUG. Did you know this is what Campy parts look like now? I did not know this.

http://rivbike.tumblr.com/

[Belopsky]

Good luck finding that groupset (I looked for the fun of it)

Most everything Campy is black now

[Belopsky]

The Centaur, that is. Veloce 10speed is still relatively easy to find, and the Potenza group as well.

Veloce, for instance: https://www.raceviewcycles.com/campagnolo-veloce-groupset-2015-10-speed-silver?language=en&currency=USD

Sometime last winter/spring/summer I saw the Veloce groupset for ~370 which was a great deal IMO

[iamkeith]

I'm curious about Don's comments regarding tire clearance. Does the Roadeo really have more chainstay clearance than the Rambouillet? It sure doesn't look like it in the last thumbnail image currently on the website. I'm also not sure this is the critical area - I would have guessed that the brakes are what determines.

And is it really possible to stuff a fatter tire in the Roadini than specified? The numbers cited by Riv for both the Roadeo and Roadini are 35 w/o and 28 w/ fender. (33.3 is "guaranteed" max for roadeo.) This is roughly the same as the Ram but, with the 533 tektro upgrade, I've got 33.3 WITH fenders comfortably on mine.

(I have heard that the early Rams had less clearance, so maybe that's the difference?)

I need another road bike like I need a hole in the head and i quit paying close attention to the Roadini when the sizes changed, but the prospect of fatter tires could make me reconsider. Other than brakes, I could do the entire build with parts from my no-longer-used-because-the-tires-are-too-skinny RB-1.

Also interesting: I cant find the tektro 539 brake on the website. Did they quit carrying it? Odd if so, because it seems like the ideal brake for these frames.

[iamkeith]

( I meant to say R-539 brakes on both of the above instances - not 533 )

[Tim Gavin]

iamkeith-

I've never owned a Ram, but I owned a Roadeo.  It has very good tire clearance.  Here are pics of mine with Tektro R539 brakes and Challenge Gravel Grinder 700 x 38 tires (measured 37 mm actual on Mavic Open Pro rims).  

Fork:

Seat Stay:

Chain Stay:

The chain stays are the tightest, though it's not quite as tight as the last picture makes it look (tough shot to capture on a phone).  

The Roadeo easily clears 33.3 tires with ~4-5 mm clearance on each side at the chain stay, and 37 mm tires if you feel lucky, punk.  Do ya?  :)

I liked the Roadeo, but it didn't get ridden much in my stable.  I rarely stay on-pavement for an entire ride, so I always chose other bikes.  I passed it on to another list-member.

It looks like Riv is now carrying the Shimano R-451 brakes instead of the Tektro R-539s, which they could still order for you, I'm sure.  Or they're widely available elsewhere.

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[Tim Gavin]

It looks like Centaur is new this summer, so maybe it's just not widely available yet.

I can't see myself buying new Campagnolo, but I respect their quality and that they keep making a couple silver gruppos.  My Riv (97 Road Standard) is still on its original Racing Triple BB and crankset (with newer rings).

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[Nels Sorenson]

Here are some updated pics of current iteration Grilver Roadini.  I'm liking the Berthoud saddle and wider tires/rims.  Ride is smoother, less nervous and still fast with the Jack Browns.

On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 5:34:46 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote:

It looks like Centaur is new this summer, so maybe it's just not widely available yet.

I can't see myself buying new Campagnolo, but I respect their quality and that they keep making a couple silver gruppos.  My Riv (97 Road Standard) is still on its original Racing Triple BB and crankset (with newer rings).

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Belopsky <belopol...@gmail.com> wrote:

The Centaur, that is. Veloce 10speed is still relatively easy to find, and the Potenza group as well.

Veloce, for instance: https://www.raceviewcycles.com/campagnolo-veloce-groupset-2015-10-speed-silver?language=en&currency=USD

Sometime last winter/spring/summer I saw the Veloce groupset for ~370 which was a great deal IMO

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[R Shannon]

Nels, your Roadini looks great! What brand are the rims and how wide are they (outside width).

Tim, thanks for those revealing pictures of the tire clearance on your former Roadeo. Surprised you could fit a 38mm wide tire between the chain stays. I guess the Open Pro rims are what. . . 20mm outside width?

I’ve been building a Roadeo and max tire I can fit between the chain stays is  a 35mm Pasela on a 22.5mm Sun rim.

Best regards,

Richard

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[Tim Gavin]

Tim, thanks for those revealing pictures of the tire clearance on your former Roadeo. Surprised you could fit a 38mm wide tire between the chain stays. I guess the Open Pro rims are what. . . 20mm outside width?

I’ve been building a Roadeo and max tire I can fit between the chain stays is  a 35mm Pasela on a 22.5mm Sun rim.

Richard-

Yes, the vintage Mavic Open Pro is a skinny, road race-centric rim.   15 mm internal, 19 mm external width.  (Mavic recently re-designed the Open Pro to 19 mm internal / 23 mm external width).  

Most tires were ~2 mm skinnier than labeled size on those rims.  Your setup (35 mm Paselas on 22.5 mm rims) probably results in about the same measured width.

Though I don't need or really want a "road" bike, I picked up the Roadeo frameset from a listmember   

The gorgeous grey/kidney red colorway (a la 1G Hunq) and the low price tempted me.  But, what sealed the deal for me was I could re-use most of the build from my existing road bike, a 90s Giordana to save money.  Hence why my Roadeo was built up with those wheels and 8 speed Sachs/Campagnolo Ergopower.

But, my riding habits never really changed with the Roadeo, even though it was a more versatile road bike than I had before.  I just like to wander off the pavement, so I rarely chose the Roadeo.  In order to ride the Roadeo, I had to decide to stay on-pavement, which gets real boring.  So, I passed it on to a listmember in Singapore (hefty shipping!).

I'll keep my 650-converted Riv Road Standard for road/touring rides (with occasional gravel), and my other bikes, each more dirt-oriented than the last.

[Nels Sorenson]

Thanks Rich,

Those are DT Swiss R460 rims: 23mm outside, 18mm inside.

Nels

[Ann L]

That is a damn fine looking bike :)

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I have the same rim on my front dyno-wheel.
Any issues? I've had mine for about a year and really like it.

Jay

[Nels Sorenson]

I just got the wheels so not many miles yet, but from my research the R460s are good bang-for-your-buck rims.  I chose them for their high quality, relatively light weight and 23mm width plus tubeless compatibility. They make the Roadini more stable/less "nervous" than the narrow rims with 28mm Michelins I had on there before while maintaining a lively ride without any heavy, plodding feel. 

So far I'm very pleased with them.

Nels

[Belopsky]

The only thing I have to add is I've heard great things about the R460. They build up really well and are solid.
I have a set being laced to Shimano 5800 hubs for my Gunnar

[tc]

Regarding Roadini vs Sam, for those who've ridden both, what's the main diff?  Roadini frame is ~$400 less than Sam, so that's obvious.  But geo-wise the 57 Roadini seems abt same as 58 Sam, the Roadini being a little less slack, but not much.  Sam I'm guessing is a little heavier, better suited for any mild off-roading.  Anything else?

[Max S]

Tire clearance, 47 vs. 35 sans fenders, if I’m not mistaken?..

[Belopsky]

Anyone catch the Roadini on the BlueLug blog?

https://bluelug.com/blog/hatagaya/hatagaya-bike-check-3/

[Adam Kilgas]

On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 1:07:48 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
> Regarding Roadini vs Sam, for those who've ridden both, what's the main diff?  Roadini frame is ~$400 less than Sam, so that's obvious.  But geo-wise the 57 Roadini seems abt same as 58 Sam, the Roadini being a little less slack, but not much.  Sam I'm guessing is a little heavier, better suited for any mild off-roading.  Anything else?
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I've been wondering about this as well. Is there a Roadini print available? I know it uses Silver tubing, but I'm curious about the butting and such compared to the Sam. Just curiosity.

[Belopsky]

The full geometry is on the roadini page. RBW did not make links stand out with the latest design/CSS.
Here you all go:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI-470-Geo.jpg?7649874663519573416x

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI-500-Geo.jpg?7649874663519573416

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI-540-Geo.jpg?7649874663519573416

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI-570-Geo.jpg?7649874663519573416

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI-610-Geo.jpg?7649874663519573416

[Adam Kilgas]

I can't quite tell... But are both the top and downtube baseball-bat style (28.6 - 31.8), or just the toptube?

[Belopsky]

What I wish was also mentioned was 'stack and reach'.
It's 'easy' to plug these numbers into a CAD program (bikecad, rattlecad) to find them, but seems like a really quick thing for RBW to start including as well.

[lum gim fong]

I wish that they would run a short run of a super lightweight Flexi road model. They do short runs of bikes like this and the Bubbe it would be cool if they did a super Flexi light one one day. Would be cool to see what they make in that style.
Yes I know that's not their thing so please don't flame I already know. Just expressing a wish.