Curious: Betty Foy vs. Cheviot

[LeahFoy]

I don't have a good reason for asking the question, save only a nagging curiosity. How much of an improvement to the ride did Grant make when he changed up Rivendell's mixte? I admit I do like the name of the Cheviot and the head badge and the story of the sheep over the Foy's. And does it ride better, too??? Now that the Chev is arriving in Betty Foy blue (which I think is the loveliest color combo in Riv history) I may be just a tad envious.

*I will take a moment here to give myself a spanking for feeling covetous towards another bike almost exactly like mine, when I have said my current bike is perfect and feels like it was made for ME.*

Does anyone have knowledge of how these two bikes stack up against one another? I know "longer chain stays" but what does that really mean?

[Joe Bernard]

I love that color, too, and was really thrilled to hear Cheviot is getting it, but I'm afraid it may not get the contrasting red highlights. The next batch are coming with cream headtubes, which tells me the lug cutouts will be the same. I like the Betty's same-color headtube and red highlights.

[Michael Hechmer]

Since we have both frames (see post chevy-ut meets Betty, falls in love)  I can state that the only difference is the paint job.

Michael

[René Sterental]

I seem to recall that the chain stays are a bit longer on the Cheviot. But not much. 

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[Cecily Walker]

How much of a difference do longer chain stays have on ride quality? I'm like Leah: when the Betty Foy was discontinued in favour of the Cheviot, I became a little covetous myself. 

On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 4:36:16 PM UTC-7, René wrote:

I seem to recall that the chain stays are a bit longer on the Cheviot. But not much. 

On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Michael Hechmer <mhec...@gmail.com> wrote:

Since we have both frames (see post chevy-ut meets Betty, falls in love)  I can state that the only difference is the paint job.

Michael

On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 12:44:40 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:

I don't have a good reason for asking the question, save only a nagging curiosity. How much of an improvement to the ride did Grant make when he changed up Rivendell's mixte? I admit I do like the name of the Cheviot and the head badge and the story of the sheep over the Foy's. And does it ride better, too???  Now that the Chev is arriving in Betty Foy blue (which I think is the loveliest color combo in Riv history) I may be just a tad envious.

*I will take a moment here to give myself a spanking for feeling covetous towards another bike almost exactly like mine, when I have said my current bike is perfect and feels like it was made for ME.*

Does anyone have knowledge of how these two bikes stack up against one another? I know "longer chain stays" but what does that really mean?

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[LeahFoy]

I came across the measurement somewhere. It said the BF has 45 mm chain stays and the Chev 55 mm. That means nothing to me, but maybe it will to some of the more techy folks here. Anyone care to interpret for Cecily and me?

[Lungimsam]

Does one have to use two chains on the Chevy? I know you have to on the Clemasauruses.

[drew]

Weren't Betty's made by toyo? If that's true, it's a cool feature.

[René Sterental]

IIRC, Betty frames are made in Taiwan but use Toyo made forks. 

René

On Sunday, June 12, 2016, drew <drewbe...@gmail.com> wrote:

Weren't Betty's made by toyo? If that's true, it's a cool feature.

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[Michael Hechmer]

No.  I set one up with a 46/26/24 & 8speed 13-28.  It worked fine with the chain that had been on a Specialized Sequoia.

If you can tell the frame difference between this 55cm Betty & 50 cm Chevy, you have a better eye than me.

https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B02Ju8EH6JsYKHF;2580C906-B6A6-4ADB-94F4-ABDFE54F90BA

Even the heart shaped cut outs are identical.  Only the paint job is different.

Michael

[Lungimsam]

Is it true that it is Mieshas face on the head badge?

[Leah Peterson]

Yes! If you watch the Riv video under their "About Us" Grant says so.

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[LeahFoy]

Here, I went digging on the BLUG to see what I could find. Here's a quote by Grant from Dec 29, 2013:

"At some point soon Dave will make up a plan to offer a kind of early buyer discount, to help us pay for the order. It’s a beautiful bike. Same as the Betty, but longer chainstays. No noticeble difference in the ride, but it can’t hurt."

So, Michael must be right - pretty much the same bike. Though I still like the name and head badge of the Cheviot better. If they don't fill the heart cut-outs in the lugs in red on the BF blue Chevs, I'll really be over my covetousness. My heart skips a beat over those red hearts, and I'm not joking.

[Mark in Beacon]

One other reason I seem to hazily remember was to do away with the his/hers model names and different paint schemes for the same bicycle with the mixtes (a marketing necessity perhaps, mainly so guys would still feel manlihoodness when buying/riding one)--Glorius/Wilbury, Foy/Gomez. The Cheviut/Cheviot (still technically two names!) is gender neutral. I think they realized they somehow went down the same road with Clem/Clementine, though (at least in my mind) that made some sense because, while technically not the case, you could argue Clementine was a feminine form of Clem. Which I guess also pissed people off.) Then you could argue that the Cheviot is essentially the mixte version of the Sam, so why not give the Clem Smith Jr. mixte version a different name. Answer: see previous sentence. Therefor, H or L.

With regard to the chainstay thing, if you do further digging, a more current posting on chainstay length, involving I believe metaphors with station wagons, and kayaks, or was it canoes, might somewhat contradict the earlier statement that you found, which was probably Grant not hyping the chainstay thing too much. But why would you add 10cm (that's cm, Leah--a bike with 45mm chainstays, even 55mm, would be uncomfortable) to a bicycle just because "it can't hurt." Having said that, don't sweat it, you won't notice because you will not be riding one then switching to the other for the ride back, which is about the only way you could notice. And you might like it less! After all that, if you still have your heart set on a bit of extra chainstay and a cooler name and headbadge, and you can afford it, and you decide to do it, you can always paint the hearts red yourself. Not that difficult! But no, get the tandem. That is cool.

(For the record, the Cheviot has 45, 50, & 54cm chainstays, depending on bike size. I don't know what the exact lengths of the BF chainstays are, but I would guess plenty long enough to get the job done right.)

[Shoji Takahashi]

You could fill those lug windows with red nail polish (or any color). Be still my beating heart,

shoji

On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 5:30:54 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:

[LeahFoy]

Geez, I really did type "mm," didn't I. *headdesk*

[Ryan Thompson]

I own a 60cm Betty Foy and 60cm Cheviot and the biggest difference I note is the Cheviot just feels like a bigger bike.  The chain stays are notable longer and so is the head tube so it's easier to get the bars even higher if need be.  I originally purchased the Cheviot for my wife and a 58cm Sam Hillborne for myself, however I sold the Hillborne and purchased Miesha's personal Betty when it came up for sale last year.  It's really hard to tell if the Cheviot rides much different than the Betty but other people who have visited and ridden both note the Betty feels a little lighter. 

https://flic.kr/p/CMttXk 

[Jon in central Colorado]

Ryan,

How does the Cheviot compare to the Sam??
Jon

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 9:13:20 AM UTC-6, Ryan Thompson wrote:

[Ryan Thompson]

Jon,

My current Sam, 56cm, is set up with albastache bars and serves as my almost daily commuter so it's racked and is running the same drivetrain plus tires (soma c-lines) as the Chev.  By comparing my commute times (about 12 miles one-way) the Sam is consistently faster and feels more nimble.  The difference could be mostly attributed to the more aggressive position so it may not be the best side by side comparison.  It is my favorite ride of the three Rivs I own.  I'm hoping to acquire a Atlantis or Hunqapillar in the new future and I'm not sure about the longer chain stays of future models....

https://www.flickr.com/photos/135783646@N08/24428833631

Ryan

Arlington, VA  

[Jon in central Colorado]

Ryan,

Thanks for your input .I understand why you feel about your Sam. I love my 58cm Sam too.

I'm on the fence for a Cheviot. I'm sure with longer wheel base and chain stays the Cheviot is a bit more cushy and less responsive but very comfortable.

Would I be correct in saying orange is one of your favorite colors????

Jon 

[LeahFoy]

Mark - I told my husband about the tandem, you know, to REALLY ride together on The Evening Constitutional. He retorted, "That's called a motorcycle."