Water Bottle and Cage Talk

[Doug H.]

I've always used standard size bottle cages and uninsulated bottles. But, I'm intrigued by the Velo Orange Mojave large cage that holds their 32 oz Nalgene and 32 oz insulated Klean Kanteen bottles. On long rides I will take two 20 oz bottles but usually have some left so one 32 might do for longish rides (30 miles or so). I'm looking for others' bottle setups and opinions.

Thanks,

Doug

[lucky...@gmail.com]

I maybe brought this up with my search for a Mojave, but I *really* like handlebar bottle/snack bags. If you’re carrying a lot of water, the Mojave type cages give you more capacity, of course, with lots of bikepacking gear. What I liked about the Mojave for my kid’s bike was that it won’t get swiped in the bike rack at school like a handlebar bag might. But I like the flexibility of the handlebar bag for things other than water bottles too. I have bags from Cycle Cats, Oveja Negra, and Greg Newland. 

Check the size bottle though, because this is how I found out that the cheap Costco bottle is too skinny for a proper fit in a Mojave. 

On Jun 6, 2021, at 11:20, Doug H. <dhansf...@gmail.com> wrote:

I've always used standard size bottle cages and uninsulated bottles. But, I'm intrigued by the Velo Orange Mojave large cage that holds their 32 oz Nalgene and 32 oz insulated Klean Kanteen bottles. On long rides I will take two 20 oz bottles but usually have some left so one 32 might do for longish rides (30 miles or so). I'm looking for others' bottle setups and opinions.

Thanks,

Doug

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[Doug H.]

Lucky,

Yes, you got me thinking about bottles and cages but I wanted to start a thread to get opinions. Thanks for the topic! Do you use a handlebar bottle bag on upright type bars, Albatross etc.?

Doug

[lucky...@gmail.com]

I use one on all my bikes plus my family’s bikes, we’re running:

Albatross, Simworks Fun3, Straight MTB bar, Soma dream bar...and a variety if stem lengths from 35-110mm. 

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[Patrick Moore]

I've come to like stainless steel insulated bottles with flip-up caps that cover the sippy spouts. REI used (~2-3 years ago) Microlite ~24 oz 2-wall ss bottles with a large cap that covered the entire top of the bottle, which keeps horse shit and sand (bosque has both sand and horses) off the sippy spout, but I didn't see these on the REI site when I recently looked. They did have similar bottles with a screw-on/off lid that covered the entire bottle top; no big defect, IMO, since I usually stop to drink.

Others make similar flip-top insulated ss bottles, but the difficult part is finding those that are neither too narrow nor too wide for the standard bottle cage. The Microlites are ~2 mm wider than a standard, old-fashioned Specialized plastic bottle and fit fine in Iris ss and Profile nylon cages, and in Specialized's plastic side-entry cages.

The Microlites really do keep things insulated, tho' I usually consider this feature only in cold weather; they'll keep freshly brewed tea with cold milk added too hot to gulp for several hours at 32-40*F.

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Patrick Moore

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[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Hi Doug!

I cannot live without 32-40 oz of water on my rides in this parched desert, but I don’t like bottle cages and I don’t like bringing multiple bottles. I get around this by using a Randi Jo Bartender Plus bag. I can bring my Hydroflask, either the 32 oz or the 40 fits fine, and I don’t bring a second bottle. Shown is the 40 oz with the straw lid. I can flip it up and sip from it without even taking the bottle out of the bag. Slick!

[Doug H.]

Leah,

It's hot and humid here in the sticky south so I go through lots of water too. I like the handlebar bag/pouch idea and may look at one of those.

Doug

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Because running low on water stinks, I use a 48oz nalgene bottle in my Mojave cage with a 32oz backup in the summer or on a longer ride. Works well in my large triangles, maybe less so on smaller frames. The larger bottle also provides a little more space to blame for the weight of my bikes. 

Fact is, every $375 spent on titanium hardware gets you an extra oz of balanced h2o capacity. 

Currently at zero titanium, and coffee goes in the insulated Kleen Kanteen in the bag, 32oz giving me two large coffees at work (c.r.e.a.m. lives in the work fridge)

-Kai

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

And I specifically avoid insulated water bottles because someone convinced me once that cold water, particularly on a hot day, is a shock to the system. Can anyone confirm or deny?

-Kai

[Jay Lonner]

The cold shock response from sudden immersion is a recognized phenomenon that is emphasized a lot in boating safety courses, hence the mantra “dress for the water, not the weather.” I’m not aware of a similar danger from drinking cold water, although so-called ice cream headache is possibility…

Jay Lonner

Bellingham, WA

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And I specifically avoid insulated water bottles because someone convinced me once that cold water, particularly on a hot day, is a shock to the system. Can anyone confirm or deny?

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[lucky...@gmail.com]

Doug, there are a lot of nice handlebar bags out there with different features. For big bottles I like my Oveja Negra the best. For subtle, understated classiness I like my Cycle Cats products. I don’t thing Greg Newland is making bags for sale right now. Now that I have these, no one in my household wants anything else. 

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Leah,

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[exliontamer]

Hey Doug. I'm in the humid south as well and will vouch for the Hydroflask bottles being great for the heat and humidity. They don't sweat so you can throw them in a bag with your phone/stuff without worrying about moisture. If cold, room temp, or hot water is your thing it will keep it that temperature accordingly. That thing that Bicycle Belle has looks rad/perfect for that use.

As far as handlebar bags go, I use them on my Albatross bars all of the time. I have an old Riv bag made by Duluth(the Hobo Bag I think) and a small Sackville one with velcro. Both work great but the Duluth bag is more accessible during a ride. From my experience if the attachment points aren't stiff and/or the zipper is flimsy it can be hard to unzip while in motion. The Gilles Berthoud bags that open towards the rider are definitely the best in this regard but the hardware, mounting, and cost can be outlandish. Hope that helps.

[Pat Smith]

I keep it more traditional with the 3rd bottle cage under the down tube. I drink and sweat a lot and go through a 21oz bottle every 45 min or so when putting in an effort. 

Lots of rave reviews of the VO Mojave and larger Nalgene style bottles and I should probably consider getting myself one sometime. Another traditional looking option is the Widefoot LiterCage for the big bottles. Soma now offers huge water bottles that fit in traditional cages. They are very long.

Re: cold water on a hot day that's not a concern with the level of effort or amount of water I'm drinking. All I've heard is it takes more effort for your body to digest it because it has to warm it up. Maybe that's a concern with athletes but not me. I'd say go for it, drink the cold stuff!

Kainalu, love the WuTang reference. 

Pat in DC

[iamkeith]

Since we're on the RBW owners forum, and since everyone might not be aware, Riv recently started carrying a 2nd nalgene-size cage.  There is now a big "Jim" in addition to an even larger Twofish.  I just got a Jim last week.  Haven't had a chance to try it yet, but can report on durability / retention once I do.  It's well-made, so I can't forsee any issues:

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/accessories?page=4

I like carrying the weight as low and centered as possible.

Also, i still like and use a couple of older Blackburn cages for 2-Liter dIsposable water bottles, from before all the new big bottle and cargo cages became available.  They were designed by WTB or, presumably, Charlie Cunningham.  Since few bikes had triple bosses at the time, they went unnoticed and can be found on ebay and the like fairly regularly:

https://www.wtb.com/blogs/wtb/12046329-throwback-thursdays-1993-wtb-blackburn-bomber

I think they are, or have, reintroduced something similar.

[Doug H.]

Keith,

I just saw the Rivendell Big Jim today and it looks good. Agreed that this being a Riv related forum we should mention their products for sure.

Doug

[David Person]

I like the idea of a stem bag like the one on Leah's bike, but I would wind up kneeing it when standing out of the saddle to pedal up a hill.

[Leah Peterson]

David, no you wouldn’t, I promise. I’ve never even been close to doing that, and I have long legs. It only appears that way in the photo…

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I like the idea of a stem bag like the one on Leah's bike, but I would wind up kneeing it when standing out of the saddle to pedal up a hill.

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[Jon Dukeman]

I like Randi Jo.Fab.Bartender plus bag mounted on stem/ handlebar.

It keeps dirt away from bottles when riding on dusty roads frequented by horses and other live stock/ wild life..

Jon

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[lucky...@gmail.com]

David, Oveja Negra just had one of their Chuckbuckets shown on an IG story mounted on the front of the stem (faceplate area)....dunno if this real estate is available to you. But most of these bags have a variety of loops and velcro options to place them lots of places. I have also seen them secured to the side of a basket. 

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[ascpgh]

Drinking cold water maybe does not induce as abrupt a "Cold shock" as bodily immersion in cold water. I'll vouch for what Jay said from rafting (and unplanned exits of said craft) on the dam-controlled Youghigheny River. Your personal inventory of stuff that puckers and stops normal functioning exceeds the imagination. 

Cold water will cool your core temperature but also slow your digestive tract by causing constriction of capillaries. The cooling will permit you to stay active longer if rising core temperature is an issue but if you are on a longer ride and need to keep fueling your body you may begin having digestive difficulties because of cold water. When hydration is your issue, tepid water seems to be the answer because you probably are going to have to eat to keep up with electrolytes lost by sweat. Why lots of folks prefer electrolyte solutions over food based replenishment if they like cold drinks. 

Climate matters too Low humidity will evaporate your sweat before you are dripping with it but you will accumulate non-sensed water losses  from sweat never perceived as it evaporates as it is excreted, out of each breath you exhale and off your eyes. Cooling may not be an obvious physical need while dehydration sneaks up on you. When you do need core temp benefits of cool water, you may be out of it and have to find some shade for a bit. 

Studies on ruminants show that under heat stress they will demonstrate poorer moderation of ambient temperature water intake that they demonstrate by reduced sodium and potassium levels in the blood. Not to liken RBW listers as old goats. We do have some digestive differences from the Capra hircus common in these studies. 

Andy Cheatham

Pittsburgh

[Christopher Cote]

I think it depends on your position on the bike, bar sweep, stem length, ETT, etc. I knee the Randi Jo Fab bartender while standing to climb on any bike I've tried it on. It's not a huge deal, in my experience, but it does happen.

Chris