Grant's Other Book

[Eric Norris]

To All:

If anybody is interested in reading Grant's 1984 book on cycling routes in the Bay Area, send me a few bucks for postage and I'll mail it to you. You can mail it back to me when you're done or it can circulate. All I ask is that it eventually return to me.

Fun fact: Grant dedicated the book to B.F.Skinner and … Bob Dylan. The latter, of course, went on to become the muse for Rivelo in Portland OR.

[Eric Norris]

Book is on the way to the first reader!

--Eric Norris
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[Chris Lampe 2]

B.F. Skinner?   Interesting.

[John A. Bennett]

In addition to selling (only) Bob Dylan LPs, maybe we need to add B.F. Skinner to our Lending Library. 

"When you run into something interesting, drop everything else and study it."

-B. F. Skinner

[Grant @ Rivendell]

I think the whole dedication read (according to memory, even tho I have a copy in the next room): To BF Skinner ... the most misunderstood person of all time...and Bob Dylan...it's the least I can do and the only thing I can think of. My thinking was that most people "learn" about skinner not by actually reading his work, but by reading criticisms and misinterpretations of it--written by famous or respected others....and Bob Dylan was my musical company from early on (age 14), when I felt out of touch with the music and fashions around me, and then here he comes with all this substantive stuff. Enough?

[Jim M.]

I bought those books when I first moved to Oakland in 1989. They were a great resource and I've ridden pretty much every road in them. You can find used copies on Amazon for $.01 + $3.95 shipping. Still a good source for rides, though the pigs are long gone from Pig Farm Hill.

jim m

wc, ca

[Ray Varella]

Hmmm, perhaps years ago when the book was written, Skinner may have been misunderstood but in today's world he is widely regarded (relatively speaking) as bringing the practice of operant conditioning to the mainstream practice of working with animals and people with extreme learning disabilities.

You can thank two of his phd students for that.
Keller and Marion Breland left their studies to open ABE which trained thousands of animals for all sorts of work. If you ever saw a dancing chicken at a fair or a pig in a Purina commercial, it was likely trained at ABE.
Bob Bailey was an employee of theirs and later married Marion after Keller passed. Bob Bailey still speaks publicly on occasion and is well worth seeing if you get the opportunity. He worked for the military prior to joining ABE and worked marine mammals, birds etc... prior to the development of guided misses they trained pigeons to peck at a screen to keep missles on course, Ravens to fly into buildings to steal top secret papers, dolphins to place electronic jamming devices on enemy ships and much more.
Marion eventually returned to her studies and went on to apply their training principles to children with autism as well as other disorders.

Until I just read that Skinner was misunderstood, it never crossed my mind, then again, I've read some of his work but never encountered much in the way of hearsay.

No matter how cognizant you are of the tenets of operant conditioning, Pavlov is always on your shoulder.

Ray
Vallejo CA

[George Schick]

IIRC from my undergrad days, the thing that pushed Skinner into the background, regardless of his brilliance with operant conditioning, was it's application to humans in the 1971 publication, "Beyond Freedom and Dignity."  HIs critical view of the "autonomous man" and the ambiguous way people are given credits for their achievements hit the bricks just as Western culture was beginning to champion "rugged individualism" and praising any human activity no matter how well or poorly they might be done.  He flew in the face of these things in a heavy handed kind of way causing much of his great work to be considered second rate by the prevailing philosophies.  A shame in many ways; much of what is badly done in our educational system, etc. could have been avoided had we followed his direction.

[Clayton.sf]

this is the book that got me to Rivendell. I used it as a reference to find hills to skateboard. one day I looked up the author to see if he has any more of them and that had me stumbling onto their site.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

[Greg J]

As I recall, there were 2:  East of the Hills and West of the Hills.

I picked up West at a used book shop in Berkeley years ago.  I'd love to pick up a copy of East of the Hills too.  I never thought to look it up on Amazon.

Greg
Oakland, CA

On Monday, February 20, 2017 at 3:01:14 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:

[Dan McNamara]

Strangely enough, I have my copies at work. 

Dan

[Joe Bunik]

IIRC, there's something funny about the "About the author" page in the
back… maybe Dan can post a pic?

On 2/23/17, Dan McNamara <djmcn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Strangely enough, I have my copies at work.
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[Dan McNamara]

Here you go!

[Mark in Beacon]

Double bandana! Bike with sticker! Regular clothes! Beginnings of S24O! A watch! I have little doubt there is an ax somewhere off-camera. Is that a Ritchey logo on the head tube of that bike? (Love the color.)

On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 5:37:51 PM UTC-5, danmc wrote:

Here you go!

[William R.]

Classic! Cool timeless "dire straits" look Grant. Downloaded for future use. Thanks Dan.

[Grant Petersen]

Ben Davis "Can't Bust 'em" sticker. Yes, a Ritchey (good eye)--lugged and crowned from '77.

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[Max S]

As a Bay Area expat living in the Midwest, still regularly visiting the Bay Area, I would love to have both tomes. Any chance of a reissue / electronic version?..

- Max

[Grant Petersen]

My current publisher isn't interested, and an agent I know says the internet has made it obsolete. I don't think so. People still hold paper now and then, and it sold well back then and would do better now. When it was current, I had a lot of credit cqrd debt and checking account overdraft charges, and the only lasting thing I bought with the royalties was a Yamaha studio upright piano for my wife, and it's ten feet from me right now. A reprint would take maybe 80 hours to update, and I don't have the time. But the topographies are unchanged, and the brief road descriptions are...in most cases still current, and the 80 hours would go mostly to adding maybe 20 more roads and making sure Road X didn't now intersect another road, or that urban sprawl hadn't completely obliterated all bucolic-ness of some of the nicer roads.

If I knew somebody trusty and not weird who had time to update it and would do it "to spec, with a short freedome leash" and agree to 25 percent of the royalties, and do the work on speculation with a modest kill fee if it didn't get published, I'd set that ball in motion...but it's a longshot. Mark here should do it. He'd be perfect, but I don't think he'd be interested.

On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Max S <msh...@gmail.com> wrote:

As a Bay Area expat living in the Midwest, still regularly visiting the Bay Area, I would love to have both tomes. Any chance of a reissue / electronic version?..

- Max

[Max S]

I recently bought a paper version of "Dirt Road Washtenaw County" and also "Switchbacks" in the hopes of doing some trips around the European mountains in the future... I'd definitely sign up for a reissue of the Bay Area books.

Anyone else?.. we can do a GoFundMe thing to raise the money for it! :-)

- Max

[James Warren]

My brother fell in love with riding again shortly after moving to the Santa Clara area, and in 2006 the copy of Roads to Ride South I gave him was his main guide. He got a LOT of mileage out of it both literally and figuratively. It taught him all the best places between San Mateo and Saratoga. Great book, and still very useful now. I use it too (and the North one.)

-Jim W.

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[BenG]

First time I saw this cover I noted "with Mary Anderson" and I like that.

[Grant Petersen]

I'm still with Mary Anderson, and I like that, too.

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 2:01 PM, BenG <bguth...@gmail.com> wrote:

First time I saw this cover I noted "with Mary Anderson" and I like that.