What high security locks are people locking their bikes with?

[Cinza]

I just found out the Kryptonite lock with a barrel key is easy for thieves as of late. 

 What locks do you like and why? 

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi,

I like Kryptonite Mini U-lock with pitlocks securing wheels and seatpost. 

I find Mini U is fast locking and removal with favorable weight/security. With reasonable places to lock, it's also likely to hold the bike upright. Larger U-locks might be easier to find locking locations, but the larger size is heavier, easier to defeat in leverage attacks, and bike is more likely to twist and fall.

I have Abus folding locks-- work ok, but the folding mechanism is not as convenient as I thought. (Rivets prevent rotation in third dimension, limiting its ability to wrap around some objects.) Also much slower to lock and remove compared to U-locks.

I also have various cable locks. Those work fine, but Mini-U is probably viewed by thieves as more difficult to defeat.

I am intrigued by TIGR locks. It would be lighter than Mini-U, and design seems to-be similar use scenario as Mini-U. 

(BTW: I really like how Pitlocks removed my worry about wheels being stolen. This means that Mini-U can be used to secure only the bike frame if I can't find an appropriate pole to Sheldon Brown lock method. https://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html)

Good luck!

shoji

Arlington MA

[Patrick Moore]

I made a lock from about 3' of towing chain from the hardware store, held by an Abus padlock. I leave this attached to the bike rack at a local Sprout's some 5-6 miles away. It's a reasonably cheap and I suspect and certainly hope reasonably secure system.

When the clerk cut my length of chain, he started with an angle grinder and finished up with a hacksaw; at any rate, a bolt cutter would not work, and using the 2 cutting tools took him 10 or 15 minutes to get through a single link. 

Does anyone know anything about towing chain? Googling calls up scuttlebutt that it's quite hard to cut. But I haven't heard of anyone else, at least on my lists, using this stuff.

I cover it with a section of old MTB tube.

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I just found out the Kryptonite lock with a barrel key is easy for thieves as of late. 

 What locks do you like and why? 

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[Drw]

Kryptonite mini u (orange one with dual locking shackle), hexlox on wheels and all expensive components. 

[David Bivins]

Almost the same as Shoji - pitlocks on wheels and seat post - but with a black and yellow "Fuhgeddaboutit" Kryptonite lock. Here in NYC it can be a challenge to find something small enough to work with the frame or back wheel and the Krypto Mini. I also put a cover over the saddle.

[John McBurney]

I like the Abus Bordo Granit folding locks myself.  

[Cinza]

Thank you.  I'm up for the pitlocks and will consider the Mini U

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Cinza- since we both have Foys, I wanted to chime in. I tried to use Pitlock skewers in my Betz last summer and the mechanics could not get the skewer to fit my front wheel. Too small. The back - no issue. I don’t know why. I’ve said before I’m not a mechanic, and now I’m riding around with just the one rear pit locked wheel. I do have fenders and the Nitto Big Front Rack, so maybe that matters? Someone will know.

[Cinza]

Bicycle Belle, 

Thank you. Good to know. 

Is there only one size  Pitluck for front wheels?  

[WETH]

Patrick,
I have created an image in my mind of Towing chain securing your bike at Sprouts, but I would love a photo that also captures the tube covering the chain.
Thanks,
Erl
Kensington, MD

[Steve Palincsar]

No, they come in two sizes: standard 94-119m, and long 105-130mm

https://www.urbanbiketech.com/collections/individual-pitlock-skewers/products/pitlock-single-skewer-with-keys-choice-of-front-rear-or-seatpost

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[REC (Roberta)]

I have two dual shackle u locks from Arbus--big and bigger (meaning heavy and heavier).  The plan is to use heavier one to lock bike and one wheel to fixed object and the other wheel to bike frame or fixed object.  Theives would have to make four cuts to steal bike (or just two if they wanted to carry it away). In reality, I'm so nervous about my Riv being stolen in the city, that I don't ride it if I need to lock it.  I'd be ok with my setup if I were to lock it in suburbs.

On Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at 3:06:32 PM UTC-4, Cinza wrote:

[Thomas Blak]

I use Pitlocks on my Sam and my wife's Betty Foy for both wheels and the seat post. Each bike is then locked with 2 New York Fahgettaboudits, supplemented with a Krypto cable and Kryptonite Evolution. So three U locks per bike. Then they are placed in a bike locker in my condo building with another Kryptonite mini locking the door plus a Master padlock.

Yes, it seems like overkill to many but you chose the locks to the amount of risk. If someone gets into my locker they are isolated and have plenty of time to attack the locks. This way I make that as difficult as possible.

My wife's bike that she keeps in Japan is locked with some cheap Dutch lock that would take nothing to open. The risk is low, therefore no need for U locks etc.

When I commuted to work I left three Kryptonites at work so I wouldn't have to carry them back and forth. 

For the Bromptons, they stay inside our unit but when traveling we use ABUS Bordo 6500 locks. They are easier to carry on the Bromptons, but I have less confidence they can hold up as well.

Again it is all about risk and minimizing that risk. In Toronto, the risk is high, in Japan the risk is low and I lock accordingly. 

[Cinza]

Wonder if there will be some really good lightweight locks one of these days.  I hate hauling a basket full of chains, cables and  locks.   

[David Bivins]

With the pitlocks and a Kryptonite u-lock, you can put a mount on your bike for carrying the u-lock and you don't have to worry about chains and cables. The weight is integrated into your frame, kinda. It's also really ugly. 

There's another lock/chain combo called the Hiplok - the chain integrates a plastic clip so that you can wear the chain/padlock combo as a belt. It's not uncomfortable for me. But it's heavy. I bring it sometimes when I don't know what the lockable situation will be, or as an extra lock when we're biking as a family.

[Cinza]

Definitely going to check Pitlocks, but the  reason I asked about locks is my bike mechanic just informed kryptonite locks are no longer safe, bike thieves seem to have an easy technique for the barrel key locks. 

[William!]

1. fahgettaboudit krypto mini ulock
2. pitlocks on wheel/seatpost.
3. generic stainless torx security bolts (a buck or so at any well-stocked hardware store) for lights, racks etc.

Great security and quick to lock up. Heavy as hell, but you didn’t buy a Rivendell for the weight right?

[Drw]

Thomas wins.

[Doug Bloch]

I have the TiGr mini and I love it.

https://www.tigrlock.com/

I also using security bolts on my wheels, stem, seatpost, and saddle I bought from Wabi Cycles.

Doug

[Cinza]

Thanks.  

Handsome lock,  I'll check this out. 

[Thomas Blak]

If you are taking about the round keys from Kryptonite, they were phased out well over a decade ago and even then, not all were opened easily. I could never open the three I owned at the time using the pen method.Take your mechanics advice with a grain of salt. Kryptonite and ABUS are the two leading companies for bike locks and they are for a reason.

The Lock Picking Lawyer has a YouTube channel where he just picks locks. I watch these because of the entertainment value but he is very good at what he does. Have a look at the lock he chooses for his own bicycle. More importantly listen to why he chose that particular lock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpVOTEOMRuE

[Steve Palincsar]

I was just the other night looking at a couple of youtube videos that showed the TiGr mini (1) being picked in less than 30 seconds, and (2) being cut with bolt cutters also in a matter of seconds.

[Steve Palincsar]

But Kryptonite hasn't used barrel keys locks in many years.  The "barrel of a ball point pen" vulnerability dates back to the early 2000s, and their locks haven't used cylindrical keys in certainly the last decade or more.

[Cinza]

Thank You, this is most helpful .  . (I'm guessing it is a barrel  if it looks like a barrel?  I got my last one 7-8 years ago, round key)

[Cinza]

[Lynn Haas]

I didn't know those barrel-key locks were even around anymore! Be aware that combination cable locks are also super easy to open. Any lock can be defeated with the right tools and a little time. I've heard it said that the easiest way to steal a bike is to go in broad daylight with an orange safety vest and power tools.

When we bought our first house 10 years ago, a previous resident had left a barrel-key U-lock locked up to a patio rail. Our real estate agent kept making a big deal about the seller removing the lock before we closed on the house. She couldn't believe me when I said not to worry, I would deal with it. 

The best lock is on the front door. I have arranged inside parking at every job I've ever had, and at university I was able to rent a bike locker for $60/year. Bike lockers are marvelous.

For outside parking, I use a modern flat-key U-lock (I own a Kryptonite but I usually use an OnGuard borrowed from work because it's about 2 pounds lighter) and a keyed cable lock for the wheels. I once came back to my bike to find the cable lock cut 1/2 way through. I guess the would-be thief got that far, saw the U-lock, and moved on to the next bike.

I tried a TIGR Mini. It was phenomenally light in weight and seemed very secure, but it was too small to easily fit around my wheel or frame + most bike racks. I think that it would be OK for a skinny road bike.

Good technique is important. Make sure you lock the frame and not just one wheel. It's ridiculously easy to release a front wheel, take the unlocked frame, grab an unlocked front wheel off of another bike, assemble the two, and ride away. Lots of fun to demo for a crowd, too. If you set it up right it only takes about 30 seconds.

[Patrick Moore]

Erl: I'll happily photograph the chain lock, padlock, and rubber sheath, but it will have to wait until I next ride to Sprout's, and I will have to remember to do so.

Basically, it's just heavy thick towing chain, ~3 feet, slipped into a section of 2" mtb tube, and locked with one of these:

Best, Patrick

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[C.Wilson]

Thank you for the comprehensive answer. I agree on parking inside whenever possible.

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[John Phillips]

   If you choose to use a Kryptonite U-lock, be sure to read the maintenance info. IIRC, Kryptonite recommends using a chain lube containing silicon, Teflon or graphite to prevent corrosion and/or rust.  I've read complaints from commuters whose locks failed in a month because their bikes were locked up outside in wet weather.

From the Kryptonite FAQ manual from the FAQ page:

0. CARE & MAINTENANCE

   Lubricate the lock several times a year to keep the lock in its best working condition. Always use a lubricant that has only a silicone, graphite orTeflon base. Face the lock cylinder upright and spray or pour the lubricant into the cylinder. Let it sit for 5 minutes. Place a rag on the workstation and turn the lock over onto the rag for a few minutes.

   Note: Do not use WD-40! WD-40 is a solvent, not a lubricant and will remove lubricant in the cylinder.

   I use 2 - Abus 540 U-locks around town, or Tigr Mini+'s if I'm a few feet away getting a sandwich or coffee, but after seeing that video of 24" bolt cutters making short work of a Tigr Mini, I doubt I'll use them again.

John

[John McBurney]

Portland has had a real problem with bike theft. About the best you can do is to make your bike more  inconvenient to steal than the next guys. 

Suggestions:

1. Get the best lock you can and always take it with you. I like the Abus Bordo Granit plus 9500 because it’s very strong and since it folds up and goes in a carrier it’s always with me. Plus heaven forbid I need it, it’s a close quarter self defense weapon. On the Springwater trail there were stories of cyclists being forced off their bikes and “bike jacked” especially women cyclists. 

2. Never leave your bike outside at night, locked or not. With a battery powered angle grinder a thief can cut any lock or even most staples pretty quickly and be off with your bike.  If people are around they are unlikely to be so bold. 

3.  If you keep your bike in a garage or shed install an anchor and lock it up there as well. Sheds and garages are frequent targets of bike thieves and are soft targets. 

I commute by bike daily. When we lived in Portland I was able to park in a bike corral (which had actually been robbed when someone got the combination) but I got called up for jury duty which meant parking on the sidewalk in an area with a lot of dodgy characters. 

So I used an Abus U lock on the front wheel and triangle, my Abus Bordo 9500 on the rear wheel

and triangle and an Abus Bordo 6000 and cable for my seat. 

But the most important thing was I parked next to the space reserved for motorcycle cops!

John

[masmojo]

The old barrel key locks are easily defeated with the barrel of a Bic pen. Fortunately, you don't see the pens that were ideally suited for that much anymore & really who even uses pens very much nowadays anyway? So in reality these locks are probably safer than they were 20 years ago.

I believe a multipronged approach to locking is best. I use the biggest beefyest lock I can conjure at work and leave it permanently locked to the rack. For day to day errands I use either a middle weight Kryptonite chain or the Abus folding link thingy. Those are both middle security locks & will deter all but the "serious" bike thief.
For my bikes that are not "thief bait" or if I am just popping in & out of somewhere. I'll sometimes use a coiling cable lock (although these just keep someone from jumping on the bike & riding off & are easily defeated with bolt cutters (which is how I lost my Rosco)) or a little Odessey light weight U lock I recently got.
Horses for the courses as they say.

[Will]

Abus mini U-lock for frame. Pitlocks for wheels and seat post. The U-lock is light and compact. The Pits weigh less than my regular skewers.

[Friend]

The Portland problem is so real, and the Spring Water Corridor can be super sketchy.  I almost got jumped there once.  My brother and I parked our bikes by the MODA Center for a few hours one evening.  We knew it was sketchy.  We brought every lock we had and had our wheels, frames, seats, all secure to eacht others bike and to the rack.  We come back to find my brother grips were stolen...

The biggest suggestion I have for bike security is, unfortunately, don't lock up your rivendel on the sidewalk.  That's why I am keeping my 1999 spray painted Trek 520.  One more thing.  Put ball bearings in all your allen wrench bolts.  Smear them in there with wax.  They are hard to get out without melting the wax.

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[in Dallas nick]

Along the lines of discussion on bike theft and prevention has anyone found an electronic tracker product that you are using in case the bike is stolen?

With the abundance of bikes / scooters for rent

the companies supplying these must have some moderately priced tracker to keep tabs on them

and show customers where to find them.

Paul in Dallas

[Marc Irwin]

I use Abus Bordo or Abus San Francisco U-Lock.

Marc

[Patrick Moore]

I recently put bbs into my seatpost and stem binder bolts' heads after reading this suggestion here. I used small dabs of Shoe Goo, fearing wax would look messy and be harder to control. (This is the 2003 Riv, which I want to look nice.) The results do look rather nice. It will require a bit more work to remove the bbs, but the amount of Shoo Goe is small, so not horribly difficult.

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 1:12 PM Friend <jtp...@gmail.com> wrote:

....  One more thing.  Put ball bearings in all your allen wrench bolts.  Smear them in there with wax.  They are hard to get out without melting the 

[Doug Bloch]

When I was researching the TiGrs I saw those videos, but they were all for the older version.  I could not find similar videos for the newer, thicker TiGr mini.  TiGr actually addresses this on their web site:  https://www.tigrlock.com/lock-testing/

Doug

On Wednesday, April 24, 2019 at 5:18:31 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

[John Phillips]

Hi Doug,

    This video shows a successful hacksaw & bolt cutter attack on the updated Tigr Mini which I have:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ0UCzi0Tpg

 

The quick success of the 24" bolt cutter attack is the most depressing one for me: I have three Tigr Mini & Mini+'s for coffee shop stops, but if I ran to the restroom, my Hunqapillar could be long gone.

John

[Doug Bloch]

John,

Thanks for depressing me as well. Upon further research, I found this NY Times review of bike locks very helpful. Looks like I will be moving back to a Kryptonite u-lock.


https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-bike-lock/

Thanks,

Doug

[Sean on Bike]

Honestly, if my bike gets stolen then it’s opportunity for an upgrade...

But when in questionable areas, I use the Sheldon Brown method that locks the back wheel to a post with a (Kryptonite) mini U lock. https://www.sheldonbrown.com/lock-strategy.html That’s usually all I travel with.

This saves both the rear wheel and frame with just one mini U. If desired, he front wheel is lassoed with a cable to the U lock. It’s worked for many years on my bikes. Not no need to upgrade quite yet!

Sean in Mpls

[Cinza]

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

What did the wise say? Something along the lines of the lock and bike weights always add up to 40* pounds? :) 

* For iBobs, maybe 50 pounds, what with all our tweed bags, fenders and steel filet-brazed handlebar-stem combos.

[Steven Seelig]

Super late to party.  I used to use Pitlocks when they were first devised (20 years ago) but found the Pinheads more to my liking.  It looks like the Pitlocks have been improved significantly since the first version.  Once committed to a the Pinhead approach, it is hard to go back because the cost to commonly key several bikes becomes prohibitive.  Happy with the Pitlocks but always worried about forgetting the key.

Abus now also has a locking skewer I us on my City (not Country) Hillborne.  You can't slide the covering off while the bike is upright, and you use a #8 wrench to unlock once the bike is laid on its side.  A slight pain to work on because you have to tilt the bike to 90 degrees, with the great tradeoff that you can leave your #8 wrench on the bike.  It is of no use to anyone unless they've already defeated the lock. https://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Security/Bike-Safety-and-Security/Locks/NutFix

I use the Granite X folding lock for in-city lockups - mean streets of DC.

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Saturday, April 27, 2019 at 8:11:03 AM UTC-7, Steven Seelig wrote:

Abus now also has a locking skewer I us on my City (not Country) Hillborne.  You can't slide the covering off while the bike is upright, and you use a #8 wrench to unlock once the bike is laid on its side.  A slight pain to work on because you have to tilt the bike to 90 degrees, with the great tradeoff that you can leave your #8 wrench on the bike.  It is of no use to anyone unless they've already defeated the lock. https://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Security/Bike-Safety-and-Security/Locks/NutFix

I hope the Abus Nutfix is more durable than the Zéfal locking skewers that require the bike to be upside down before release. Those work well for the first few months, but tend to seize up after that. Then it's fun, fun, fun, trying to get the skewer to open again.

[Leah Peterson]

I have to correct my earlier post - I said I couldn’t get the Pit lock to fit my front wheel, but after reading Steven’s post, I remembered that I had the Abus Nutfix. I have to lay the bike on its side and use an 8 hex to unlock the wheel = Abus. But the front skewer did not fit, and not even the LBS calling the manufacturer fixed the issue. I will maybe try the Pit lock now, but dread having one more key!

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[John Phillips]

   If there are racks or fenders bolted to the dropouts on the front of a Riv, the Abus Nutfix won't fit, it's diameter is too large. Similiarly, the Nutfix won't work on forks where the dropout is too close to the tube of the fork.

   I had the opposite problem with Pitlocks and my Hunqapillar: the plate of the locking nut where it contacts the fork is smaller than the plates you find on quick release skewers and the even the opposite plate of the Pitlock. When tightened correctly, I saw the fork was actually bending the skewer of the Pitlock. It didn't look strong enough to defeat even a simple blunt force hammer attack, and I felt queasy riding on a front wheel where the skewer didn't look like it had a strong hold on the fork.

    Maybe I was being overly cautious and paranoid, that's sort of my normal state of mind, but here in the East Bay, hills and pot holes and bike thieves follow me everywhere.

John

On Saturday, April 27, 2019 at 1:45:52 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

I have to correct my earlier post - I said I couldn’t get the Pit lock to fit my front wheel, but after reading Steven’s post, I remembered that I had the Abus Nutfix. I have to lay the bike on its side and use an 8 hex to unlock the wheel = Abus. But the front skewer did not fit, and not even the LBS calling the manufacturer fixed the issue. I will maybe try the Pit lock now, but dread having one more key!

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On Saturday, April 27, 2019 at 8:11:03 AM UTC-7, Steven Seelig wrote:

Abus now also has a locking skewer I us on my City (not Country) Hillborne.  You can't slide the covering off while the bike is upright, and you use a #8 wrench to unlock once the bike is laid on its side.  A slight pain to work on because you have to tilt the bike to 90 degrees, with the great tradeoff that you can leave your #8 wrench on the bike.  It is of no use to anyone unless they've already defeated the lock. https://www.abus.com/eng/Mobile-Security/Bike-Safety-and-Security/Locks/NutFix

I hope the Abus Nutfix is more durable than the Zéfal locking skewers that require the bike to be upside down before release. Those work well for the first few months, but tend to seize up after that. Then it's fun, fun, fun, trying to get the skewer to open again.

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[Lynn Haas]

I've seen too many upside-down bikes missing both wheels to trust locking skewers. 

[Eric Daume]

I remember when a long lock thread came up earlier, someone pointed out that, with a cordless electric cut off grinder, the difference between a cheap lock and a good lock was the difference between 30 seconds to cut through the lock vs. 60 seconds.

Eric

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 3:06 PM Cinza <Miss...@gmail.com> wrote:

I just found out the Kryptonite lock with a barrel key is easy for thieves as of late. 

 What locks do you like and why? 

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[Will]

That fact was what convinced me to use Pitlocks in addition to an Abus mini-U. I figured it would be difficult to get the wheels off and more difficult to sell a bike that had a locked wheel set.

On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 3:42:49 PM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote:

I remember when a long lock thread came up earlier, someone pointed out that, with a cordless electric cut off grinder, the difference between a cheap lock and a good lock was the difference between 30 seconds to cut through the lock vs. 60 seconds.

Eric

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 3:06 PM Cinza <Miss...@gmail.com> wrote:

I just found out the Kryptonite lock with a barrel key is easy for thieves as of late. 

 What locks do you like and why? 

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