What would you do?

[Lungimsam]

In light of Leah's recent post on leaving her Rivendell unlocked at school what would you do if you were in public and saw an unlocked Rivendell sitting outside of a building somewhere? What would your concern for the owner of the unlocked Rivendell lead you to do?

[Kai Vierstra]

Loosen all the bolts, for it's own good/security.
-Kai
Brooklyn NY (with locks on and bolts tight)

[Garth]

 
   I would ask myself, is the bike in really danger from a thief , or from the idea that there is something to steal and protect ?  It's just no way to live anymore because the moment you deem something as needing protection it becomes your personal boat anchor.

    Sure the bike may "seem" safe for the meantime, but you's live in h-e-double toothpicks as it's then never safe.

 Nah, that's just a bad dream !   HaH !!

[René Sterental]

Why would seeing a Rivendell unlocked would be any different from seeing any bike unlocked? I would think it's the owner's responsibility to decide how to go about leaving their bike on the street and continue my way, perhaps thinking that someone is taking stupid risks needlessly.

All the suggestions made earlier about bringing it inside and so on are what I would prefer to do, but you can't always do it. Certainly not routinely. I've ridden home and then driven out in the car to do an errand I could have done when commuting by bike, only because I didn't have a lock with me. 

On a personal note, I sweat blood when I take my Cheviot downtown and leave it locked to a rack while being in line of sight of the bike. And haven't been able to bring myself to leave it locked and go into a store or restaurant where I won't have line of sight on the bike. Being latin american I'm doubly paranoid about it, even having Pitlocks in addition to the U-Lock. I will have to learn... to trust the security devices and the security strategies about making your bike less "attractive" to steal than the others nearby...

You can take a risk like Leah did, and I'm sure this is the last time it happens for her. I would have brought the bike inside and if not allowed, would have blackmailed them that unless allowed, I wouldn't be able to stay to do my commitment. The school would have certainly not reimbursed her if it was stolen. Even if it was locked.

René 

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[Mark Reimer]

I used to be mega paranoid about leaving my Atlantis locked up anywhere, anytime. Bike theft has gone up and up where I live too, but for some reason, I'm much less worried now. I lock up the rear wheel with the 'sheldon brown method', and walk away. Sometimes I'll cover the Brooks saddle up with the rain cover. But I leave my Carradice bags on the bike, and the front wheel is mounted with a regular allen bolt. Maybe it's because I live in a city where a Riv is looked at as an old clunker. Nobody believes me that you can still buy it new. Just not a very multifaceted cycling market here. The bottom end Giant CX bike with Sora and disc brakes locked next to me is more likely to get pinched than my fendered, racked heavy steel touring bike. I mean, who even WANTS those bikes anymore.... lol. 

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[LeahFoy]

Well, my husband refuses to lock his Clem up EVER. He only rides to the park and to church but as I'm locking everyone else up he will say, "I don't want mine locked." I've said it before: that Clem is rather wasted on him.

So, if it's his Rivendell you pass by unlocked, leave it so.

[Ryan Fleming]

Uhhh....me!

I think if I saw something like a riv unlocked maybe I'd try going in to ask who owned it. I'd probably want to meet such a person because, seriously, I can count Riv owners on one hand and still have room  for the finger  for the driver that cuts you off. Ha! ha!

If it was  like a shop where you go in and out to buy something, I might hang around for a bit to see if the owner comes out. 

[Joe Bernard]

Why doesn't he want his bike locked? His adamant refusal sounds like there's some kinda Zen thing going on there I don't understand.

[Leah Peterson]

I asked him. He says, "I don't want the hassle." He thinks bike theft isn't real and he is only bolstered in his wacky belief because his bikes have never been stolen. I told you all he's quirky...

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> Why doesn't he want his bike locked? His adamant refusal sounds like there's some kinda Zen thing going on there I don't understand.
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[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/21/2016 10:14 PM, Leah Peterson wrote:
> I asked him. He says, "I don't want the hassle." He thinks bike theft isn't real and he is only bolstered in his wacky belief because his bikes have never been stolen. I told you all he's quirky...
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Perhaps you might do him a huge favor by taking the day off and sneaking
up and stealing his bike yourself. Bring it home, hide it, and let him
experience the dismay and shock all too many of us know from personal
experience. Better coming from you than from some random thief who
won't be able to rescue the situation with a wave of your magic wand.

I am not joking. He needs to get his head out of his hindquarters.

[drew]

I tend to agree. I used to think nobody would come into my gated yard and take my bike. They did. Then I thought nobody would really cut thru a cable lock. Then they did. Then I thought that there's no way they would break a cheap u-lock. They did.
I wish someone had prank taught me before losing those bikes.
Thankfully this was before I had anything too expensive.

[John]

And what if Leah's husband doesn't care once his bike goes "missing?"  :(

Leah, if my wife treated her Betty Foy like that, I would just go, sell it off and buy myself a Cheviot.  ;)

John 

[Leah Peterson]

What a  great idea, John!!! A Cheviot is exactly what I need! Honestly, for as little as he rides, I don’t think he’d mind much if his bike suddenly took off from the rack. Or maybe he thinks we live in a nearly zero-risk area. I bet he’d let me lock it up in areas he thought were less safe. I, on the other hand, live in fear of having my bike stolen. I even have a recurring dream where my bike gets stolen. And every time my mind conjures up a bizarre resolution, like I suddenly realize I have an extra BF in the garage, so it’s ok. Or, I get the bike back some nonsensical way. There would be wailing and gnashing of teeth if someone took The Best Bike in the World.

[Joe Bernard]

I suspect Husband Guy is practicing a a bit of non-materialism, which I can appreciate. It's his Clem and he can leave it wherever he wants!

[Steve Palincsar]

Go for it.  Do what I suggested, and if he doesn't care, then don't even mention that you have it hidden, just post it for sale here and get yourself a Cheviot -- way better than a bunch of pedicures...

[Steve Palincsar]

Yeah - you know what they call someone who leaves his bike around like
that? A pedestrian.

[Lungimsam]

If my spouse didn't lock up her Clem I would say that even if she doesn't care if the bike got stolen, that is still $1500 of our money flushed down the toilet. And our insurance has a 1,000$ deductible for a stolen bike.

[Scott Henry]

I was actually just going to mention insurance.     All of these bikes are replaceable.     Just call the insurance company, get the estimate pay the deductable and get a new one.      

I've already said I don't carry a lock, much like hubby, I don't like the hassle or the weight.    Any current bike I have gets treated the same way, like a bike.      Now the older "CR type" bikes don't get left anywhere, lock or not because I cannot get another one.

We all pay those premiums, use them if you need them.  Otherwise it's just wasted money.

As an aside, for bike stuff as well as envy thing else in your home.   Photograph EVERYTHING.   Put the pictures on a thumb drive and store it off site.     Being a fireman working in prevention, inspection and investigation, I see people dealing with loss and insurance companies all the time.    The photos make it so much easier, they are even better to keep than receipts.   Seriously, room by room, wall by wall, take wide and detailed shots of everything.   Think also about the coverage that you choose.   We just had an apartment fire here, one of the tenents had a $10,000 coverage policy.    Think about $10,000 for a moment.    That's my living room, leather sofa set, tv, stereo and media pc / Dvd shelf.    As a homeowner, you might have a $50,000 contents policy.     That wont cut it unless you live alone and like a monk.   Pictures pay off, and go over them along with coverage with your agent.   

Sorry it's fire safety month so I've been going over this daily.

But I did once have a bike stolen, a Paramount.    I loved the one that replaced it, made out like gangbusters!

Cheers and be safe,

Scott

On Saturday, October 22, 2016, Lungimsam <john1...@gmail.com> wrote:

If my spouse didn't lock up her Clem I would say that even if she doesn't care if the bike got stolen, that is still $1500 of our money flushed down the toilet. And our insurance has a 1,000$ deductible for a stolen bike.

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[Jon B]

Steve, I respectfully disagree with your suggestion.  Once husband finds out where the bike went, it will reinforce in his mind that no one will steal it.  "If the only way it gets stolen is my wife has to take it, that proves that nobody else will take it."  (I realize this is not logical.)  So I think this approach will fail, and it may have unintended adverse effects.  Trying to prove a point by inflicting distress is not generally a good relationship strategy.  (Not that I have tested this myself; it would not be well received.)  Plus he has his reasons, obscure and seemingly illogical as they may be.  Personally, I would write the bike off in my mind, and then hope the thieves don't prove me correct.  Just my two cents.  

But thanks for your always-interesting perspective.

Jon