dogs on Rivs

[Jim S.]

I'm thinking about carrying a small dog in a Wald basket - I think the dog would love it.

I've never tried it. I have two questions. (1) If you carry your dog on your bike, and have photos, would you mind sharing? (2) I'm not sure if I can trust the dog to not jump out - any ideas on safely securing her?

Thanks in advance for any responses. 

[Tim Gavin]

https://www.k9ofmine.com/dog-bike-baskets/

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[Tim Gavin]

I've installed this basket on a couple customer bikes.  It's not as fancy looking as some of the others, but it seems well designed.

https://www.amazon.com/Axiom-Basket-Handlebar-Mounts-Black/dp/B003OFZ8YQ/ref=as_li_ss_tl?&linkCode=sl1&tag=ajc58-20&linkId=df2a036ae3b11410165fb8b1c9409d97

[Brad]

I've posted about riding my dog on a bike a few times over the years. 

Old video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iYzLPWJfqqo 

More recent photos with Riv content:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BaES0xKH8pQ/?taken-by=bread_palace

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUNvsR5gort/?taken-by=bread_palace

Here's what I wrote in 2013:

> In my experience, the key is to go really, really slow.  We started with one 
> of those soft-sided closed carriers with a big piece of sheepskin-like stuff 
> in the bottom so the dog wouldn't slide around too much.  At first we just 
> walked the bike.  Once the dog seemed comfortable with walking (not too 
> shakey or nervous-acting) we started riding her to the park.  It didn't take 
> long before she started to associate the carrier with the park and would 
> jump in on her own.  After a couple of weeks of riding her around in the 
> closed carrier, I started riding very slowly in the park with the top 
> opened.  I had to grab her a few times to keep her from chasing squirrels, 
> but she figured out pretty quickly that she was supposed to stay in the 
> carrier.  After a month or so of riding around with the carrier open, we 
> switched to the tote bag we use now (she's still tethered so she can't jump 
> or fall off the bike). 
> 
> One of the keys, I think, was to only let her get in or out of the bag when 
> the bag was sitting on the ground.  That way she never got used to exiting 
> the bike from up in the basket and was less likely to try to jump out. 
> Also, the dog quickly realized that if she was on the bike, she was going 
> somewhere fun and not being left at home. 
> 
> In short, take it slow and make it fun (for the dog). 

Brad 

Queens

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

You will wish you had never asked! I have tons of dog-in-the-Wald photos! My dog fits in the huge Wald, and is nearly too big but we have never had a problem, and we started this in 2012. He has learned how to brace himself over bumps, and understands he cannot shift his weight. He has never tried to get down.
I’ll send photos in a separate post (my iPhone won’t cooperate until I do it from email...

[Wally Estrella]

Here's my buddy Boston Terrier, Iver.  Out on July 4th parade duties last year.  He's typically on the rear, but I didn't make the effort to mount one on the Quickbeam, so on the Nitto he went.

As noted already get the dog accustomed being in the carrier then on the bike.  Too dangerous to have your friend decide to jump.  Iver gets a body harness attached to the crate. 

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 1:46:28 PM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:

[Leah Peterson]

I put a pad in the Wald, then a blanket and I firmly tell him he has to get in his basket and lay down. Piece of cake! What kind of dog are you planning to transport? 

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[Patrick Moore]

I think it work well, as long as the dog is light enough and not too scampery -- I can imagine the sudden weight shifts as an excited dog scampers about a large basket. 

And yes, some dogs do bail. My then wife and I were very cutely carrying our 2 young Shi Tzu in a crate on the rear carrier, brother and sister, both duly strapped in with shortened leashes. The female, always skittish for that breed, decided it wasn't safe, and dove for the pavement. My wife yelled, I panicked, we all fell over, almost crushing the bitch who was hanging by her collar. Fortunately, all ended well.

After that I weighted the dogs down with cinderblocks. But one of those bungee nets might work as well.

Patrick Moore whose current dog is still pulling hard on the leash (me pedaling on the bike, he running) at 15 mph.

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[lambbo]

I do it all the time with my terrier.  She stays on the leash which I hold, because she's a hyper dog and in NYC there's lots of stimulation...if she jumps out (happened ONCE, but...) I let the leash run through my fingers until she hits the ground, so she can't run into traffic.  Mostly it's great, she doesn't like high speeds. 

Large Wald 

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 5:38:58 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

I think it work well, as long as the dog is light enough and not too scampery -- I can imagine the sudden weight shifts as an excited dog scampers about a large basket. 

And yes, some dogs do bail. My then wife and I were very cutely carrying our 2 young Shi Tzu in a crate on the rear carrier, brother and sister, both duly strapped in with shortened leashes. The female, always skittish for that breed, decided it wasn't safe, and dove for the pavement. My wife yelled, I panicked, we all fell over, almost crushing the bitch who was hanging by her collar. Fortunately, all ended well.

After that I weighted the dogs down with cinderblocks. But one of those bungee nets might work as well.

Patrick Moore whose current dog is still pulling hard on the leash (me pedaling on the bike, he running) at 15 mph.

On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Jim S. <ja...@simeri.me> wrote:

I'm thinking about carrying a small dog in a Wald basket - I think the dog would love it.

I've never tried it. I have two questions. (1) If you carry your dog on your bike, and have photos, would you mind sharing? (2) I'm not sure if I can trust the dog to not jump out - any ideas on safely securing her?

Thanks in advance for any responses. 

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[phil k]

Aww this is awesome. Wish I could fit my fiance's Akita into a basket.

[Tim Gavin]

Next Riv side-project (after the HHH):  The Rivendell Barkfiets!

On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 5:45 PM, phil k <phili...@gmail.com> wrote:

Aww this is awesome. Wish I could fit my fiance's Akita into a basket.

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[Deacon Patrick]

From 2004, my service dog, Ardie, in the redwoods. Back when I needed three wheels to hold me upright. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

[John Buglino]

Our pups are quite happy tooling around in their massive Wald basket on the HHH tandem.
Go for it.

John inJersey City

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 1:46:28 PM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:

[John Buglino]

They don't seem inclined to jump out, but We do use a standard leash spliter to clip to the basket and attach the pups harness at the center ring

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 1:46:28 PM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:

[Kurt Manley]

A dog is 100% the thing I'd most like to add to my bike! Hoping to be able to move somewhere that allows em! Great thread!!!!

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Sadly my 75 pound golden retriever would not fit into even the largest Wald basket

[Patrick Moore]

This thread reminds me of the time I stopped by the library (on one of my Rivendells) and saw a young man on a cheap mountain bike with a backpack and, peeking cutely from under the flap, a wee little chihuahua, the sub 5lb type. He said that he rode all over the city with her.

[Belopsky]

I've got a 37lb dog. Wald won't work. Maybe a trailer.

[Jim S.]

Love the photos! Dog to be transported is a shih tzu. Could maybe fit 2 if I ever get another one.

[Ana Candela]

I once tried it with a trailer and my 40ish-pound dog, and she jumped out of it within the first 20 feet. I gave up after a couple more tires. Goes without saying to try it in a park or on a residential street before trying streets with traffic.

Last Saturday at Rivelo’s anniversary party, their two granddogs (Boston Terriers) rode in cocoon-shaped backpacks, so cute! So that could be another option to acquaint your dog with riding and then graduate to the basket.

-Ana

[Patrick Moore]

Adding to the original question: how did you (all) train your dog not to jump out of whatever conveyance it was in? I'd like to find a way to carry my ~20 lb dog to the dog park some 3 miles away, but he's hardly one to sit still unless restrained in some way. 

-Ana

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[Wally Estrella]

I put the milk crate in the middle of the living room.  A few days of this....

Then put the crate on the side so the top was perpendicular to the floor.  Put a treat for him to go in to get it.  A few more days of this...

Then flipped it upright so he then had to jump into the crate to get the treat.  A few more days of this....

Then got him to jump into the crate then "SIT" then offered the treat.  A few more days of this....

Then fastened the crate to the bike.  Put Iver into it, "SIT", here's a treat, then walked him around the drive way. A few more days of this....

Then short rides to the end of the drive way. Then hit the road.  He loves it and gets excited when he sees me fastening the crate to the bike then "Let's go for a ride!".

On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 10:18:29 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

Adding to the original question: how did you (all) train your dog not to jump out of whatever conveyance it was in? I'd like to find a way to carry my ~20 lb dog to the dog park some 3 miles away, but he's hardly one to sit still unless restrained in some way. 

On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 8:15 AM, Ana Candela <netma...@gmail.com> wrote:

I once tried it with a trailer and my 40ish-pound dog, and she jumped out of it within the first 20 feet. I gave up after a couple more tires. Goes without saying to try it in a park or on a residential street before trying streets with traffic.

Last Saturday at Rivelo’s anniversary party, their two granddogs (Boston Terriers) rode in cocoon-shaped backpacks, so cute! So that could be another option to acquaint your dog with riding and then graduate to the basket.

-Ana

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[Brad]

Patrick Moore wrote:

Adding to the original question: how did you (all) train your dog not to jump out of whatever conveyance it was in? I'd like to find a way to carry my ~20 lb dog to the dog park some 3 miles away, but he's hardly one to sit still unless restrained in some way. 

For a few weeks, my dog rode in a closed soft-sided carrier. Once she got comfortable in that, I tried slowly riding around the park with the top open. Because we were riding slowly in the park, I could talk to her, pet her, and make sure she stayed sitting. When she settled down riding with the top of the carrier open, we started riding to the park that way. It didn't take long before she could ride sitting in a tote bag. I still tether her harness to my handlebars to make sure she doesn't fall off if I stop short. 

I never let her jump off the bike. She knows that she stays in the tote bag until I lift it out of the basket and set it on the ground. 

We've been riding this way for 8 years or so. She's great when we're riding- she doesn't fidget anymore (even a little wiggle can throw off your steering a bit) and she leans into turns.

It sounds like Wally had a similar process:  go slow and break it down into little steps.

Brad

Queens

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Wally and Brad.

[Kiley Demond]

Wow. I have applied my usual over-the-top, hyper-focus attention to this. First, it depends on the size of the dog. Handlebar baskets are generally designed for small dogs (under 10lbs), or maybe a short, dense dog. Taller dogs are able to destabilize a bike more easily. The exception would be a front basket supported by a rack that is frame-attached, and does not affect steering (i.e. no attachment points on the handlebars or wheel). Then of course, it depends on the size of the dog and the shape of the bike (type of handlebars, clearances, etc.).

There are many more options from European purveyors. Europeans carry everything and anything on their bikes.

I have attached photos with three baskets I have used. A rear-mounted crate on my before-I-got-a-Riv bike, a Cordo basket on the rear, and my new, American-ingenuity front seat, the biggest issue with it, is losing the purposeful ease of mixte frame. Most dogs prefer being in the front and I know it makes me feel better being able to keep an eye on him. "He" is an 18-lb cockapoo. Jumping out is probably more about the dog than anything. Most dogs won't jump it they feel stable; they won't stay aboard a sinking ship to to speak! Jumping out to see something interesting is a matter of training.

Have fun! 

Kiley

Links: 

Frame Mount Front Rack

Bike Buddy
Rattan Baskets (and so much more. Click at your own risk.)

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 10:46:28 AM UTC-7, Jim S. wrote:

[Patrick Moore]

Kiley mentioned that there are many carrying products from Europe. Does anyone know anyone makes a pet carrier that attaches to the rear rack like a pannier, and that will take a 20 lb dog? I'd need something that is quick on and off.

Thanks.

[Kiley Demond]

Here's your guy: https://bicyclehabitat.wordpress.com/2012/01/17/riding-with-your-dog/

[Ray Varella]

Jim S.
Some key things to consider when working with any animal to perform any task.
The animal is never wrong.
Set up the environment so the only possible outcome is for the animal to be successful

If the dog isn’t ready to stay in the basket, the worst thing you can do is force the issue. This can have unforeseen consequences.
I would start by desensitizing the dog to the basket before installing it on the bike.
Depending on the dog, this could take one session or several days, don’t rush it. Reinforce the closest approximation of your desired behavior. Do not reinforce any undesired behavior.
Once the dog is willingly going in and out of the basket you can install the basket on the bike.
Start by just straddling the bike and little by little, increasing the amount of time.
Next go to a location with no distractions or safety hazards. An empty tennis court or baseball field or indoor gym would be good.
Gradually raise the criteria.

Feel free to contact me offlist, you’re welcome to call.

Cheers,
Ray

[Brad]

Most dogs prefer being in the front

Agreed. I like riding a bike with a front load generally anyway, but it's definitely helpful to be able to talk to my dog to keep her calm (or at least it was in the beginning when she was more likely to be nervous. 

The animal is never wrong. 

Also agreed. While have a good, solid carrier is important, riding with your dog is 95% good training and conditioning.

Here in NYC, it's not uncommon to see people ride by with dogs stuffed in their backpacks/messenger bags. It doesn't look comfortable for either party, but I don't think it could be possible to get an uncooperative dog in a backpack.

And finally, my dog would love the Buddyrider. I could give her head scratches with my chin while riding!

Brad

Queens 

[Kiley Demond]

You mean like this? This just looks so uncomfortable to me. And it is too hot a solution (at least in my estimation). And I spent a lot of time and money getting stuff off my back when on my bike. 

That said, I bought a used kid backpack off eBay and retooled it into a dog backpack. All because on one hike when I lived in northern California, my dog lay down on the trail and refused to go further and I carried him for an hour in the fireman’s carry back to the car. I’ve used it once since then. Turns out I don’t like hiking in the heat any more than my dog;-).

[Brad]

I don't think I've ever seen someone cycling with a bag that's actually made to carry dogs (or kids). Usually, they look like they're wedged into a typical backpack or messenger bag. Neither the dog nor the rider looks uncomfortable, but I'm sticking with the basket.

Brad

[Jim S.]

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 12:46:28 PM UTC-5, Jim S. wrote:
> I'm thinking about carrying a small dog in a Wald basket - I think the dog would love it.
>
>
> I've never tried it. I have two questions. (1) If you carry your dog on your bike, and have photos, would you mind sharing? (2) I'm not sure if I can trust the dog to not jump out - any ideas on safely securing her?
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any responses. 

Well, I got a dog, and I got a basket, and I think it works. I anchor her with a harness and rok straps, although Irish straps might be easier. Basket is Wald 139. I cut up an unused yoga mat to line the basket bottom. In the cold she rides in a shopsack. Dog is a shit tzu under 9 lbs.

[Leah Peterson]

Well isn’t that the cutest and the sweetest? Your new pal is just adorable. I’m glad you have found a system that is so far working for the pair of you. Getting a new dog is the most exciting thing - a Christmas present, perhaps?

John’s Irish straps might be a good idea as well, but I will leave you with this improvisation starring my dog....you know, just in case.

[Kevin Lindsey]

As someone who really loves dogs but who recently took an unexpected header on a slick wooden bridge, I'd also recommend that you think about how a dog in as basket would fair in a crash. 

Kevin Lindsey

Alexandria, VA

USA

[Jim S.]

Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!, 

The pictures look awesome. You dog fills that basket up.

I went with Irish straps yesterday, and I have no idea why I didn't use them to begin with. They are perfect for this application.

[Ann L]

 Your dogs are so cute!  My work schedule doesn't work for having a dog right now.  I would love to have one, especially a dog that liked riding in bike baskets :)