RE: RE: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!! Proposed Ride.

[Hugh Smitham]

Hi Folks,

I think my post to the original got buried. 

I wanted to throw out this ride as a potential Saturday ride from the Inn and back with a stop at the Marin Museum of Bicycling. At first glance it looks like a formidable ride 32 miles and 6200' elevation but we have all day to do this ride. I purpose we bring a lunch with us and eat out on the trail. Of course not all are up for a ride like this. I encourage folks to chime in with a plan "B" and "C" route(s) maybe a bail out on my route where we all meet at a specific time at the museum for a tour and a really mellow ride staying closer to the Inn.

Without further fanfare here's the route. 

Your thoughts?

~Hugh

  Los Angeles, CA

[René Sterental]

40% maximum grade? You've got to be kidding me!

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[Hugh Smitham]

Well I don't ride up there much. I was hoping the locals could let me know whether this route was doable. 40% does seem a tad much. I chose all trails and roads I've heard people have ridden.

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[oldmangabe]

Yeeaaah. For some reason google let you route down the spur/downhill track and not onto the eldridge fireroad at those 40% sections. Just stick to the obvious fireroad up and down and you will be fine, and not get fined. Have fun, upper eldridge is one of my favorites.

Gabe

On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 9:42:29 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:

Well I don't ride up there much. I was hoping the locals could let me know whether this route was doable. 40% does seem a tad much. I chose all trails and roads I've heard people have ridden.

On Jun 9, 2016 9:38 PM, "René Sterental" <orth...@gmail.com> wrote:

40% maximum grade? You've got to be kidding me!

On Thursday, June 9, 2016, Hugh Smitham <hughs...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Folks,

I think my post to the original got buried. 

I wanted to throw out this ride as a potential Saturday ride from the Inn and back with a stop at the Marin Museum of Bicycling. At first glance it looks like a formidable ride 32 miles and 6200' elevation but we have all day to do this ride. I purpose we bring a lunch with us and eat out on the trail. Of course not all are up for a ride like this. I encourage folks to chime in with a plan "B" and "C" route(s) maybe a bail out on my route where we all meet at a specific time at the museum for a tour and a really mellow ride staying closer to the Inn.

Without further fanfare here's the route. 

Your thoughts?

~Hugh

  Los Angeles, CA

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[Hugh Smitham]

Reworking right now. Gonna re-route to go up Old Railroad Grade.

~Hugh

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On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 11:02 PM, oldmangabe <oldma...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeeaaah. For some reason google let you route down the spur/downhill track and not onto the eldridge fireroad at those 40% sections. Just stick to the obvious fireroad up and down and you will be fine, and not get fined. Have fun, upper eldridge is one of my favorites.

Gabe

On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 9:42:29 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:

Well I don't ride up there much. I was hoping the locals could let me know whether this route was doable. 40% does seem a tad much. I chose all trails and roads I've heard people have ridden.

On Jun 9, 2016 9:38 PM, "René Sterental" <orth...@gmail.com> wrote:

40% maximum grade? You've got to be kidding me!

On Thursday, June 9, 2016, Hugh Smitham <hughs...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Folks,

I think my post to the original got buried. 

I wanted to throw out this ride as a potential Saturday ride from the Inn and back with a stop at the Marin Museum of Bicycling. At first glance it looks like a formidable ride 32 miles and 6200' elevation but we have all day to do this ride. I purpose we bring a lunch with us and eat out on the trail. Of course not all are up for a ride like this. I encourage folks to chime in with a plan "B" and "C" route(s) maybe a bail out on my route where we all meet at a specific time at the museum for a tour and a really mellow ride staying closer to the Inn.

Without further fanfare here's the route. 

Your thoughts?

~Hugh

  Los Angeles, CA

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[Hugh Smitham]

Okay how does this look? More Miles still steep but no 40% ascents. Real steep down hills off the peak and again down repack. 

~Hugh

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[Hugh Smitham]

Helps to have a link.

~Hugh

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[Sean Lerner]

When are y'all thinking the ride on Saturday will roll out. I'm hoping to ride up from SF in the morning.

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On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 11:16:20 PM UTC-7, Hugh Smitham wrote:

Helps to have a link.

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein

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On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 11:15 PM, Hugh Smitham <hughs...@gmail.com> wrote:

Okay how does this look? More Miles still steep but no 40% ascents. Real steep down hills off the peak and again down repack. 

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipeedemusings.com/

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 9:37 PM, René Sterental <orth...@gmail.com> wrote:

40% maximum grade? You've got to be kidding me!

On Thursday, June 9, 2016, Hugh Smitham <hughs...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Folks,

I think my post to the original got buried. 

I wanted to throw out this ride as a potential Saturday ride from the Inn and back with a stop at the Marin Museum of Bicycling. At first glance it looks like a formidable ride 32 miles and 6200' elevation but we have all day to do this ride. I purpose we bring a lunch with us and eat out on the trail. Of course not all are up for a ride like this. I encourage folks to chime in with a plan "B" and "C" route(s) maybe a bail out on my route where we all meet at a specific time at the museum for a tour and a really mellow ride staying closer to the Inn.

Without further fanfare here's the route. 

Your thoughts?

~Hugh

  Los Angeles, CA

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[Hugh Smitham]

Hi Sean,

Sorry for the delay in responding.

Since I haven't gotten really zip for feedback regarding my latest route update I'm going to presume that the route is a go. For those that feel the full 43 miles would be too much I suggest taking San Geronimo Ridge just before mile marker 12 which will cut out the Pine Mountain loop but will cut out 9 miles, you still get the Repack descent and we can all meet up at the Museum. To take in account the time differential those that head to Fairfax early can grab a bite to eat in town while the Pine Mountain crew eat out on the trail.

 In terms of time I think a 8am roll out would work. That gives us 9 hours to ride visit the museum and get back to the Inn around 5pm.

How's that sound (crickets) to ya' all. 

~Hugh

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[Curtis McKenzie]

Hugh,

Sign me up for this one. Thank you for planning this. 

Curtis 

[David Stein]

Looks awesome but I won't be staying Friday and plan on coming up Sunday. I may try and meet you at the musuem and ride bike if you have a loose time frame of when you'll be there, but more than likely I'll just head up old railroad grade mid to late afternoon to make it for dinner if anyone wants to join me for that (will either drive and leave from mill valley, or ferry over to sausalito and ride up from there).

[Hugh Smitham]

Hi David,

You mean to say you're coming up Saturday. Look forward to seeing for dinner.

~Hugh

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[David Stein]

Yes, correct…coming up Saturday ;)

[René Sterental]

If driving on Saturday, can you tell me or send me a Google map location to know where to park? I don't know the area. 

[Hugh Smitham]

Rene,

Are you coming from Sacramento?

Here's the route to Pantoll Ranger Station.

~Hugh

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[René Sterental]

No. From Palo Alto. 

[René Sterental]

Marked the location. Is there parking there?

[cyclotourist]

René, glad you can make it!!!! There is a big lot at Pantoll, but it fills up on the weekend. The ride is starting early, so shouldn't be a problem. I think it's $8 for day/24 hr parking. From the lot at Pantoll, it's two miles to the Inn, so budget time for that. 

Here's the route to the Inn: https://goo.gl/maps/aK7V9Zo2Tex  

This is what it looks like for most of the way: https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/23752943436/in/album-72157661872299170/  

Cheers,
David

Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace

"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal

[SSL]

Hi Hugh,

No worries! 8am might be hard for me. I don't think Bart from Berkeley to SF starts running until around 6 on Saturdays. Might try anyways and see if I can catch up to y'all.

-- Sean

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[René Sterental]

Thanks! I will. 

[René Sterental]

Is this a ride better suited for the Homer or for the Atlantis?Assumingn can do it all? May have to bail out as outlined previously. Might be too much climbing for moi. 

[Hugh Smitham]

Depends on the setup of each of your rigs. If the atlantis has chubby/ knobby tires and you're going to do the PM loop that's what I'd bring. I'm planning on riding my 1995 Salsa Ala Carte with Schwalbe 2.1 Thunder Burts/ tubeless.

Didn't you just do the Tahoe loop? Ah 72 miles and 3800' I think you'll be fine on this ride. No one's going to try and break any land speed records. No rider left behind spirit. Lots of photo op's, read that as rest breaks, regroups and scenic viewpoints. 

~Hugh

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[Hugh Smitham]

Would 8:30am help?

~Hugh

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[René Sterental]

Ha ha ha ha!!! Good to know!

Both of them run smooth Compass tires with metal fenders; 35mm on the Homer and 38mm on the Atlantis. Based on what you're saying, I think the Atlantis would be better, would you agree?

[Hugh Smitham]

Rene,

Yes the Atlantis would be my choice, though sans fenders and obviously lowish tire pressure. If you can I'd mount knobby tires, my recollection of the PM loop is rutty with baby heads but Jan always proves that a supple tire can do amazing things, so I'm not gonna say it can't be done. I've been rolling the TB's Tubeless and where a supple tire would eventually flat I haven't had any problems for months. 

~Hugh

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[René Sterental]

Well, I'm certainly not Jan in terms of skills and abilities. I just checked the map and decided to reserve the choice to do the shorter version, especially if the PM loop isn't really suitable for the smooth tires with fenders.

Thanks for providing the route and maps. That's very helpful.

René 

[Hugh Smitham]

You're Welcome.

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[SSL]

Rode up to West Point Inn from SF yesterday to see if I could make it in time on the 25th, and I don't think 8:30 would help too much. No worries though!

Would 8:30am help?

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[Hugh Smitham]

Okay. Then we'll stick to the 8am ride out. Maybe meet us at the Museum? Or maybe meet us at the Bon Tempe Dam Rd? Sean shoot me your cell phone # so we can coordinate the day of.

~Hugh

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Would 8:30am help?

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[dougP]

Do we have an ETA at the museum? 

dougP

Would 8:30am help?

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[René Sterental]

For those interested, I updated Hugh's ride with the shorter version bypassing the PM segment. https://ridewithgps.com/routes/14396260

Metrics:

33.5 mi
Elevation:	+ 4507 / - 4524 ft
Max Grade	26.2 %

Would 8:30am help?

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[Reed Kennedy]

Thanks for working that out René! I'll be on giant but smooth tires myself (Schwalbe Big Ones) and may join you on the Pine Mountain bypass route.

Best,

Reed

[René Sterental]

Good! :-)

[dstein]

I can't make it for the Saturday ride as I won't be in till later. Just now checking Hugh's route. I'm not familiar with any of the parts of that route from West Point Inn to Fairfax so can't comment. If you're looking for an alternative here is what I'd consider: https://goo.gl/maps/hJ5bnnMzcq62

It hits Bolinas Ridge and is mostly downhill from the Inn all the way to Sir Francis Drake and then a gentle uphill till Fairfax. About the same mileage and cuts out a lot of climbing in the 1st half, I think, but adds significant Mileage to Rene's shorter route, but again, I think less climbing. No matter which way you slice it though its gonna be a lot of downhill to Fairfax, and then a lot of climbing back up to West Point Inn ;)

If anyone is coming up Saturday and wants to join me, I'll be hitting the 2:35 ferry from Embarcadero to Sausalito and then up the Sausalito-Mill Valley Bike path, over through Mill Valley, and up Railroad grade with a goal of getting in around 5:

Ferry Building to Sausalito (2:35 - 3:05)- http://goldengateferry.org/schedules/Sausalito.php

Sausalito to West Point Inn (~2 hours) - https://goo.gl/maps/dfLpRqsFoTz

[Philip Williamson]

Thanks for the alternative - I may take a road bike to do that, then go around to Mill Valley and climb Railroad Grade back to the Inn. 

It may have decided the bike I bring. 

Philip

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[James Warren]

Err on the side of big tires and mountainbikishness.

Sent from my iPhone

[René Sterental]

I got sick yesterday, and am trying to recover. As of now, I'm not sure how it will evolve and in what condition I'll be on Saturday morning. What a bummer!

René 

[Curtis McKenzie]

Rene,

Wishing you a speedy recovery  

Curtis

[Curtis McKenzie]

Rene,

Wishing you a speedy recovery  

Curtis

[René Sterental]

Thanks! I'm totally bummed out.

[Hugh Smitham]

Bummer! Sorry you're not feeling well.  Feel better soon.

~Hugh

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[cyclotourist]

If you feel up to it, just come up for dinner Saturday night! Around
6:00, just hang out, see the sights.

[cyclotourist]

I can really say that's open to anyone. I think we'll have a lot of
food. If you want to just come by and say hi, please do!!!

[Surlyprof]

I was going to try to make it for the Saturday ride and hang out for dinner. Sounds like it is more of a potluck? If so, what can I bring?

John

[Curtis McKenzie]

Hi, 

On the road to Samuel P Taylor from Fairfax. Parked at Fairfax Cyclery. Looking forward to seeing all of you tomorrow. 

Curtis and Jeff

On Thursday, June 23, 2016, Surlyprof <jmcc...@gmail.com> wrote:

I was going to try to make it for the Saturday ride and hang out for dinner.  Sounds like it is more of a potluck?  If so, what can I bring?

John

[Surlyprof]

David,

I may try to join you in Sausalito to ride up to West Point.  I checked the weekend ferry schedule and it said that one ran at 1:25, 2:50 and 3:25.  Were you thinking the 2:50 ferry arriving at 3:20?

John

On Sunday, June 19, 2016 at 9:59:24 AM UTC-7, dstein wrote:

[dstein]

Well I was planning on a 2:35 but I guess that is the weekday schedule and not the weekend. Honestly I'm leaning more towards skipping the ferry and riding straight from Embarcadero. You interested in that? Map: https://goo.gl/maps/D4t5F5CnEjH2

PM me and we'll work out the details if so.

[Chris Lampe 2]

I look forward to seeing pics from this ride!!  Sounds like a blast! 

[Chris Lampe 2]

Also, I've never been to that area (missed being born there by a month or so) and I'm not familiar with the geography.  Can someone tell me, on Hugh's second route map, which mile markers bracket the repack race course?   Thanks!!