Jobst Alp rides calendar

[Patrick Moore]

https://rayhosler.com/2017/09/04/jobst-brandt-tour-de-alps-2018-calendar-available-now/

Mine came in the mail yesterday. IMO, they should have made it larger and used glossier and heavier stock, but it's worth the dollars; the first photo of Jobst's 1958 Cinelli is alone worth the price.

We need to produce another, similar calendar for The Deacon. Patrick, where's your Cinelli?

Jobst really was 1 in a million; his uber underbiking really tickles my fancy, though I'll never get anywhere near his mileage or the terrain he rode. 

Resquiat in pacem.

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[Deacon Patrick]

Hey! Yeah. WHERE is my Cinelli? Grin.

For the steep price of $8 I'd think the previews could be oriented to earth standard vertical. Really messes with those of us not oriented to ESV, who thus use ESV as our sole reference point, when something is other than ESV. Grin.

Are there any photos of Jobst hike-a-bike LCGing (lowest common gear)?

With abandon,

Patrick, who has no desire to be a pin-up but thank you for asking, of the Highlands 

[Patrick Moore]

The paper calendar, the product for sale, has the photos properly oriented. I don't know why the samples are cockeyed.

I don't think Jobst ever walked, despite his by normal standards huge bottom gears.

What is ESV? Google says it means English Standard Version, referring to the Bible.

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[Deacon Patrick]

ESV(g): Earth Standard Vertical. Grin.

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[Deacon Patrick]

Currently only used by people with vertigo, ESV becomes common parlance with the advent on the gravity drive, along with EPVl and EPVr (Earth Politician Vertical, left or right). Grin.

With abandon,

Patrick

On Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 12:32:11 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

What is ESV? 

[lum gim fong]

How did he ride in the winter weather with just shorts?

My knees and thighs would be screaming! 

[Patrick Moore]

He was an ubermensch. He'd lead 100 - 150 mile rides in rugged northern California mountain terrain, on the equivalent of a '70s road racing bike, tubulars and all. 

Personally, if I rode as much as he, I'd have burned out long ago and taken up crocheting, but Jobst did it for fun, not for "fitness" or "to improve his personal best", so in his own very idiosyncratic way, to "just ride." 

I do have to say I feel a rather weepy nostalgia for the steel and leather-era bikes and kit, since I got "seriously" interested in cycling about the time Eddy Merckx was starting his pro career. Needless to say, I am strictly a small time, low mileage rider.

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How did he ride in the winter weather with just shorts?

My knees and thighs would be screaming! 

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[Patrick Moore]

IIRC, Grant did an article about him in a long ago RR.

[Deacon Patrick]

LCG across the creek! Great find, Patrick. Thanks.

Anyone able to tell by sight the spoke count on what I presume are 700c wheels? They look to be pretty dense, though possibly just lighting and angle.

With abandon,

Patrick

On Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 6:26:00 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

IIRC, Grant did an article about him in a long ago RR.

On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote:

He was an ubermensch. He'd lead 100 - 150 mile rides in rugged northern California mountain terrain, on the equivalent of a '70s road racing bike, tubulars and all. 

Personally, if I rode as much as he, I'd have burned out long ago and taken up crocheting, but Jobst did it for fun, not for "fitness" or "to improve his personal best", so in his own very idiosyncratic way, to "just ride." 

I do have to say I feel a rather weepy nostalgia for the steel and leather-era bikes and kit, since I got "seriously" interested in cycling about the time Eddy Merckx was starting his pro career. Needless to say, I am strictly a small time, low mileage rider.

On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 5:25 PM, lum gim fong <john1...@gmail.com> wrote:

How did he ride in the winter weather with just shorts?

My knees and thighs would be screaming! 

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[lum gim fong]

Someone posted on this forum a picture of him going up a 30% grade in the big ring. So I think most of the LCG pictures are going to be in creek beds and off-road type stuff.

[RichS]

Talk about underbiking. Wow! Thanks Patrick.

You're correct. Grant did an interview with Jobst and published it in a RR. Not able to post it until tonight or tomorrow, but will unless someone else beats me to it.

Regards,
Richard

[Patrick Moore]

Rich: please do post the RR Jobst article, or a link to it, when you get a chance. I'd like to see it again. Thanks.

An aside: I find it rather amusing that Jobst's 700C bikes have proportions that look like my 559-wheeled bikes; his must have had 70 cm c-c seat tubes.

Patrick Moore, who hopes to do some overbiking* later today.

* On 700C X 51 mm tires on flat sandy and gravelly terrain that has been compacted by recent rains.

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[Jeremy Till]

Here's a grainy set of pictures of what I believe was Jobst's last bike: 

http://bikecult.com/works/archive/04bicycles/pjohnsonJB04.html

I go back to it sometimes as a great example of one mechanical engineers distillation of bicycle technology, as a guy who only "upgraded" when he believed that a new product offered real benefit for him as a rider.  To the untrained eye, it looks like just another Eroica-compliant vintage racing machine, but note: 

-Threadless headset (a Campy Record headset he actually de-threaded himself)(sorry Grant)

-Suntour slant-parallelogram rear derailleur, but still friction DT shifters, I believe

-Shimano DA 74xx series square taper cranks

-I'm not 100% sure but I'm fairly certain he has a Shimano cassette hub back there too.  

It's also true that Jobst was a monster of a rider and had little need for low gears or higher leverage brakes (note the 70's era Campy SR brakes, albeit with Kool Stop pads), or tires wider than 28mm on any terrain.  Us mere mortals might benefit from some of those things.  

Oh and in terms of spoke count I also believe he always rode 36 spoke wheels, such that if he broke a spoke on a ride the rim deflection would be minimal, allowing him to open up his brake QR and ride home.  

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, I've seen that profile photo; the relationship of frame to wheels is larger than that of my 58 and 57 Rivs to their 24.75" actual 559 X Elk Pass tires wheels. 

What frame size c-c did he ride?

And does anyone know his typical gearing? IIRC, he used something like 50/47 in front with 6 in back but perhaps he modernized to 7 for this bike?

I agree that we mere mortals need smaller gears and bigger tires!

But at least Jobst and I are similar in that we both use the same, or very similar, stems.

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[R Shannon]

Patrick, attached is Grant's 1994 interview with Jobst Brandt, published in Rivendell Reader No. 6. (Asking forgiveness from Grant for reproducing without permission. Please don't sue me!).

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[Eric Norris]

Actually, a writer named Earle Young did the interview (unless that’s a nom de plume for Grant?).

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<RR 6 Jobst Interview.pdf>

[R Shannon]

Peut etre mon ami!

Merci,

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[Patrick Moore]

Thank you! I look forward to re-reading it.

Do you, or does anyone else, recall when this was published?

Patrick

[Mike Williams]

Hey there Richard,   Could you re-send that link to the Jobst Brandt interview with Grant when you get a chance?   I'd love to read it,  just didnt see it.   Thank you!!

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[R Shannon]

1994, Riv Reder #6

[R Shannon]

MIke, attached is the PDF.

Best,

Richard

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[R Shannon]

Patrick, my apologies - not 1994! Perusing RR #6, 1996 seems about right.

Thank you,

Richard

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. That long ago!

[Eric Norris]

So … if I had read ahead a couple of pages, I would have found Grant’s interview. Sorry, Grant!

Interesting read. Jobst was spot on about the religious nature of some debates in the cycling community, and the tendency of humans to disregard information that conflicts with their opinions. Richard Thaler, the economist who won the 2017 Nobel Prize, has examined this phenomenon, which he calls “confirmation bias”: https://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/the-making-of-richard-thalers-economics-nobel 

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[R Shannon]

Eric,

 Right, Earle Young wrote the two page overview that preceded Grant's interview.

As an aside, Grant's daily "journals" that he published in the early Readers make for fascinating reading about the challenges of sustaining a small business.

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[lum gim fong]

The Lon Haldeman interviews in the RR's were cool, too!