PT vs PT HD

[Jon Solitro]

What have people found are the benefits of going HD? Are they worthwhile?

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hi Jon,

For my self its one word!

LATENCY :)

YMMV

CHUCK REICHEL

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On Apr 5, 2013, at 11:14 AM, Jon Solitro wrote:

What have people found are the benefits of going HD? Are they worthwhile?

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[Jon Solitro]

I don't have any latency issues right now….if I do I adjust the buffer size. Would there be the same latency issues with HD Native?

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[Slau Halatyn]

Hi Jon,

Aside from 0 latency, HD systems include all of the extra options that the expanded toolkits provide. These days, I'm not even sure what that includes. HD Native systems also have 0 latency because of the routing the card provides. That 0 latency is also possible on Apogee's Symphony cards. I'm not sure if any other systems out there provide that. I know UA is probably either already doing that or close to it. You mentioned that latency isn't exactly an issue for you. With Low latency mode on host-based systems, of course, one can monitor at close to 0 latency but without real-time plug-in performance. Things will undoubtedly get there with Thunderbolt in time. Frankly, I think Avid will eventually drop HD when it gets to that point. For now, it's tough to swallow thousand-dollar upgrades with HD. I don't think Avid would survive another such upgrade. We'll see…

Slau

On Apr 5, 2013, at 11:14 AM, Jon Solitro wrote:

What have people found are the benefits of going HD? Are they worthwhile?

[Jon Solitro]

Yeah thats what I was thinking. I have a quad core Mac pro which seems to handle anything. What is the benefit of tracking with plug ins?

Can I mix in surround without HD? 

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[Slau Halatyn]

Well, occasionally, you might want to track with certain reverbs or delays on certain tracks. It can sometimes help inspire a performance. Also, for those who track with  amp simulation, it's a pretty big consideration. Again, I'm sure that'll all change in the very near future.

Not sure about the surround question. For the longest time, surround was only for HD. that's not to say you couldn't approximate a surround mix with a host system but you could only keep the mix static rather than doing dynamic pans between, say, left and right surround channels. That might have changed with 10, I haven't ever checked. The only surround stuff I've done was in HD.

Slau

[Poppa Bear]

Yeh, I myself track with reverb and compression. The reverb does often  help inspire the performer and the compression helps me to get an idea of what a mixed down product will feel like.  Message -----

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[Jon Solitro]

Makes sense. This topic is slowly morphing….another question….how is tracking with compression helpful? It's all after the fact if you're using a plugin compressor right? the audio will still clip?

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[byron harden]

hello john

   i've recently got a hd system.

i generally  work projects that have very high track counts, so i need a lot of processing power, as well as a lot of voicings.

having access to the dsp thing is great for me.

i also feel it sounds better, that could just be wishful thinking.  lol

to me it is all predicated on what you are doing

awesome

[Slau Halatyn]

Hi Jon,

Tracking with compression, at least in plug-in form, would be helpful to control dynamics. Especially when working with more than one vocalist, people usually track each other much better when they hear a more even level of signal. Sometimes we call that "railroad," that is, when people's harmonies lock together like railroad tracks because the blend is so solid. Compression, in this case, is supremely helpful.

True, in plug-in form, the compression will not affect the original recording. It is possible, however, to apply compressor to a track and route to a bus and then another track. The second track would have the compression recorded. Then, of course, you're looking at more latency. The analog domain still rules for certain things, eh?

Slau

[byron harden]

i never thought of tracking  like that with plug in comp.

will try that today slau.

very interesting

[Jon Solitro]

Ok, so I'm confused. What's the difference between HD and HD Native? I thought Native meant it uses the computer's processors just like regular Pro Tools. And the benefit to HD was the outboard processing cards.

[Ricky Prevatte]

I cannot wait to try this with my ProTools demo. Since I've had this board I have had very little clipping at all. Doing this from my Board is very easy. It has built in compression and reverb. I can track with reverb or compression and not printed it

Ricky Prevatte LMBT 1154 http://www.rickyprevattemassage.com

[Slau Halatyn]

That's how some cats were using Pro Tools back in the days before I solved the metering problem. Insertion of limiter plug-in and recording to another track. Again, there's latency but only a little. On HD systems, it's hardly detectable.

Slau

[Slau Halatyn]

You're partly correct. HD Native does use native processing but it still uses a card for 0 latency routing. The interfaces still connect to a PCI card. Only the plug-in processing is handled by the host CPU while routing is handled by the card.

HTH,

Slau

[Byron Harden]

real cool 

[Poppa Bear]

Another difference is that HD is 192 KHZ, but some say that it doesn't make a difference when it comes to commercial music.