Monthly No Prize Contest (NPC): Comments (4/5)

[Administrator]

Continued from here

[Bruce da Moose]

Quote ©Daniela Brocca:

You understood very good, 4ullas. But please tell me, where is written I can't do it?

Anyway, I spoke with Stefano as he his one of my friends in Rome. As he is moving he will not have connection to internet for about 2 weeks. He asked me to remove his last vote. I hope you will not be contrary. If you are contrary he told me to delete his vote. You can then later write to Stefano yourself, when he will be back. Please let me know. Daniela

If in fact Stefano told you to remove his last vote, I would accept that as an authorized change. If he had not provided any instructions, I would say that the total vote should be removed.

Thanks!

Bruce

[Bruce da Moose]

Hi, Daniela, I seem to have forgotten the password for the *NPC Awards* user page, where the awards are all kept. Do you recall this password?

Thanks, Bruce

[4ullas]

Quote Bruce da Moose:

Hi Bruce and Daniela:

In my opinion, nobody but the voter can change the vote list posted by one voter, even Daniela. If she does it, the shadow of doubts about corruption in the NPC will be covering our longlasting successful contest.

According to the rules, the vote post can be reedited by his/her voter many times before the deadline, but not by any other, including Daniela or the Month moderator.

Best regards from 4Ullas

[Daniela Brocca]

Hi Bruce , it's in the page

http://www.panoramio.com/user/1544111

panorami...@gmail.com\ tree2008


Daniela

[Panoramio NPC Awards]

Quote ©Daniela Brocca:

Thank you

[Panoramio NPC Awards]

Quote 4ullas:

OK, well - I guess you see the problem as more serious than I do. It is not a matter of great concern to me; I view this as a minor irregularity resulting from voter error. As the general moderators, I will let you make the decision.

Cheers!

Bruce da Moose

[Daniela Brocca]

I agree with you, Bruce. IMO 4ullas gives far too much importance to the matter. I will edit Stefano post and write something in it.

[Bruce da Moose]

Hello, Daniela - I have been alerted to the fact that Post No. 490 in the Feb NPC thread is by user "Djaty" who is only a recent Panoramio member, and has no photos uploaded. If I read the rules correctly, Djaty is not eligible to vote in this NPC. Should his vote post be removed?

[Daniela Brocca]

Yes, he is a non contestant and has no photos uploaded. I deleted his post. That's all I can do, as I cannot even write him a comment under a photo.

[Daniela Brocca]

Almost each month we have somebody that refuse to moderate after the victory.
I think we should add a new rules, a very important one.
Please don't participate if you don't think to moderate the game in case you win.

My english is not so good. (mine is not better and I moderate the game)
People have to understand that. If you understand enough to participate then you should moderate if you win. I think we will not accept this excuse anymore. Rob and Wim gave us a great Toolkit everybody can use. Many users are so friendly to help, as they always do. So, if anyone feels he/she will not be able to do it so he has to be honest with us and not participate.

Thank you, Daniela

[Bruce da Moose]

Quote ©Daniela Brocca:

Then I will need to respectfully decline in the future. If I did not have the invaluable help of a knowledgeable and generous person, I could not have handled this task.

However, it's been fun

[domispinella]

Quote ©Daniela Brocca:

Almost each month we have somebody that refuse to moderate after the victory.
I think we should add a new rules, a very important one.
Please don't participate if you don't think to moderate the game in case you win.

My english is not so good. (mine is not better and I moderate the game)
People have to understand that. If you understand enough to participate then you should moderate if you win. I think we will not accept this excuse anymore. Rob and Wim gave us a great Toolkit everybody can use. Many users are so friendly to help, as they always do. So, if anyone feels he/she will not be able to do it so he has to be honest with us and not participate.

Thank you, Daniela

so what about the rule 6 b?
6. Prize: nothing in the material world; however, a great feeling of elation at having a favorite photo liked by so many fellow photographers!

a) the winner has the option to choose the subject for the next month’s contest
b) if the winner declines, then the next person in the Top 10 will be offered this option, with ties decided as explained above in rule #5b, until someone accepts

Anybody can have pb and ( or ) don t expect to win , and has to decline , like in the last Italian csp ( roofs)... and the rules are always the same
so , why suddenly being to much directive , ...
if people decline , I think that he or she is honest with himself , and with the second place of the game
even when the winner whoelius want to moderate , his theme was found too much difficult ; and he decline... will we have also to choose an easy theme to be allowed to moderate?

[győri atilla]

I would like to say thank you to all of you who voted my picture!
All the best. atilla

[Daniela Brocca]

I would like to know who will moderate next month. Thank you.

I never said you cannot have help from somebody who know better. That's been always so.

[H. Prell Márta]

I'm sorry for the inconvenience I caused by declining as a moderator. I thought choosing next month's subject and moderating the NPC is a honour and joy of anybody, so someone would accept this duty from the Top10. It would be a honour for me, but I didn't feel right to accept this - in a need of assistance. I'm sorry and it would be a pity if I won't be able to participate in these games because of this.

Regards, Márta

(ps.: This and my previous comment was comletely translated by two of my fellow-countryman.)

[vterezia]

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[C. Johnston]

I just wanted to apologize for not voting on this month's NPC. I had planned on voting, but then I went away just before voting started and there was no access to the internet where I was. I have just returned to where I could connect and went to vote, but alas, found that the voting had already closed. Congratulations to the winner and all the other entries. There were so many great entries. I will be sure to vote on this next contest.

Humbly, Cathy

[Bruce da Moose]

Wow - tell you what - when the contest winner bows out for the next round, this place gets so quiet you can hear crickets chirp!

[Daniela Brocca]

As I hear the second in the ranking 2c declined to moderate too. Now I asked the third. Let us wait. Daniela

[bainketa]

Just an idea:
What about putting a link to the next month contest as the last comment before blocking the thread?

[Dottor Topy]

Desperately Seeking Susan....ooopsss....Moderator

[GMallmann]

Hello dear Panofriends!!!!

First of all. I would like to thank everyone who voted on my picture, I'm very happy and honoured by the final result!

Also I would like to congratulate Mr: Moose by a wonderful job done in keeping all things well organized!

Well dear friends, according to the rules, the next moderator for March NPC contest would be me, (Marta and 2c found themselves incapable for the moment).
Unfortunately I will have to decline too. It would be a great honour to accept this task, but I will be away from my home for the next 7 to 10 days making it hard to manage and lack of time to keep things running well!!!

Please accept my apologies !!!! I'm sure the next moderator will do a nice job and pick a wonderful theme (as they always do).

Sincerely!!!! )))

GMallmann.

[Marcello Mento]

Dear Daniela,
I agree to make the moderator for the month of March, but I need help because I speak little English. If it's right I propose as them

The Clouds

[Karen James]

HOORAY FOR MARCELLO. Help is always at hand and Google translate helps too. I'm sure you will be an excellent moderator.

[4ullas]

Hi everybody:

I have posted the complementary top3 continental rankings.

I have posted the full list of the 561 panoramians who have participated at least in 1 NPC. They are ranked following the new criterium of Last 12 Months Aggreagted Scores.

The list is complemented with a Tables of NPC Medals, where the participants are ranked according to th number and quality of their performances in the NPC since March 2008 (Gold medal the 1st, Silver the 2nd, and Bronze the 3rd).

The rankings of TOP 30 Photographers and Photos will be posted and updated every 3 months.

Congratulations to the winners and good luck in the full of interest coming up "cloudy" March NPC.

My best greetings to our new lider at the Ranking: Karen James

Best regards from 4Ullas

All these statistics and tables are posted at the "NPC clipboard for Rankings and Statistics"

"RANKING LAST 12 MONTHS"

"TABLE OF MEDALS"

[Szekér]

Bravo 4ullas, nice work!

And let me to congratulate to the winner of last month:
H Prell Marta took part in three contest and she won a gold a silver and a bronze medal!
I think she is the absolute winner with this result!

Edit:
As 4Ullas informed me I have the datas false understood.
The absolute winners are
urbietorbe, Herb Riddle, GreenDK and Karen James!
Excuse me for my mistake!

Greetings Gyula

[Gabor Retei]

Quote Marcello Mento:

Dear Daniela,
I agree to make the moderator for the month of March, but I need help because I speak little English. If it's right I propose as them

The Clouds

Thanks Marcelo for taking on the job. I hope you have EXCEL on your computer and you have experience with the Toolkit. If not you will learn it fast.

Just call on us if you need help!

Good luck moderating, I already like your topic!

Regards from Vancouver, Gabe

[4ullas]

Quote Szekér:

Bravo 4ullas, nice work!

And let me to congratulate to the winner of last month:
H Prell Marta took part in three contest and she won a gold a silver and a bronze medal!
I think she is the absolute winner with this result!

Greetings Gyula

Hi Gyula:

Thanks for your message, Just some data to clarify your statement

H Prell Marta has posted 3 entries in the last 12 months, but 8 since the NPC started in March 2008, with a total of 240 votes. That means a average of 30 votes per entry, Good scores but less than urbietorbe, Herb Riddle, GreenDK or Karen James

If necesary, I will post the Ranking of total agregate scores of the 561 participants.

Best regards from 4Ullas

:

[Szekér]

Quote 4ullas:

Hi Gyula:

Thanks for your message, Just some data to clarify your statement

H Prell Marta has posted 3 entries in the last 12 months, but 8 since the NPC started in March 2008, with a total of 240 votes. That means a average of 30 votes per entry, Good scores but less than urbietorbe, Herb Riddle, GreenDK or Karen James

If necesary, I will post the Ranking of total agregate scores of the 561 participants.

Best regards from 4Ullas

:

I beg Your pardon 4Ullas ( and of course the same of urbietorbe, Herb Riddle, GreenDK or Karen James),

I have understood your two tables false, I thought that they contain the same datas. I would not make you further works, I beleive you, that you write without a new table!

I will correct my former post and wish you very interesting statistics!

Greetings, Gyula

[© mARTin]

Hi 4ullas,

I have change my nickname from gama88 to mARTin. Is it possible to replace my new name in the score?

Thanks a lot.

Best wishes, Martin

[2c]

Hi all,

Apologies for being out of the loop on this thread in the last few days due to work commitments. Gabor Retei, did very kindly offer to help me with the moderation of the March NPC which I am very grateful for and appreciate. Unfortunately due to work commitments for March/April coming i felt i would have to decline as i feel i could not give the NPC moderation the deserved and required attention necessary.

I would like in the future to be able to fulfill the moderation duty at some stage as i think it's a great competition. I am delighted to see our good friend Marcello has stepped into the breach with a wonderful theme 'Clouds'.
I would also like to thank Bruce for the brilliant theme and job he carried out in Febs NPC. Thanks to everyone who voted, I really appreciate It!

Best of luck to everyone in Marchs NPC! Marcello you will do a great Job and i appreciate you stepping into the void!

Apologies once again if my absence of communication has caused any confusion.
h

[4ullas]

Quote © mARTin:

Hi Martin.

Of course, for now on you will be nicknamed mARTin.


Best regards

4Ullas

[© mARTin]

Thank you 4ullas you do a great job with the ranking list.

All the best, Martin

[Marcello Mento]

Dear friends of Panoramio,
I enthusiastically agreed to moderate the contest in March, but unfortunately for work I no longer possible. I am sorry to cause trouble and inconvenience, but I do not like either make a commitment and not be able to do it well.
Marcello ops:

[Bruce da Moose]

Does this mean we are not doing CLOUDS next month?

[Luud Old]

Quote 4ullas:

Quote Szekér:

Bravo 4ullas, nice work!

And let me to congratulate to the winner of last month:
H Prell Marta took part in three contest and she won a gold a silver and a bronze medal!
I think she is the absolute winner with this result!

Greetings Gyula

Hi Gyula:

Thanks for your message, Just some data to clarify your statement

H Prell Marta has posted 3 entries in the last 12 months, but 8 since the NPC started in March 2008, with a total of 240 votes. That means a average of 30 votes per entry, Good scores but less than urbietorbe, Herb Riddle, GreenDK or Karen James

If necesary, I will post the Ranking of total agregate scores of the 561 participants.

Best regards from 4Ullas

:

Hi 4 ullas , I would like to see the average list of real and standardized votes ,
for me as an old participant the only interesting list of the actual earnings.
I have no affinity with something that is uncontrollable.
Gold and silver medals for every one who just started to take part of the competition are not interesting.
You did a very good job but don't lose the reality !!
In my opinion the ranking of real and standardized votes in combination with the number of participations is the only realistic comparison.

Greetings Luud

[4ullas]

Hi Luud:

After your message I have posted the general ranking of real aggregate vote score of the 561 NPC contestants.:

As usual, the ranking is posted at the "NPC clipboard for Rankings and Statistics"

"REAL VOTE GENERAL RANKING AFTER 24 MONTHS"

[Bruce da Moose]

Quote Luud Old:

In other words, Is it safe to say that you seek a normalized average vote? That seems sensible to me as well.

Bruce Jensen

[4ullas]

Hi Bruce and Luud:

Since the monthly ranking is built by using the last 12 month scores, I decided to produce the Standardized Votes Ranking, just every 4 Months, as well as the ranking of Most voted entries.

In fact, to build all these tables and rankings is becaming rather bussy.

Best regards from 4Ullas

[4ullas]

This is an Urgent call to the NPC FEB2010 TopTen


At the moment, the top 4 of the list, - H. Prell Márta ,- 2c , - Gmallmann and - Marcello Mento, have not accept the role of Moderator for MARCH NPC Contest.

According to the rules, the following participant is Chris Low

Please, Chris, we need urgently a moderator for starting the Posting period next Monday March 1st.

Tell us a.s.a.p. your decision in order to speed up the decision of the nextones in the list:

5 --- vterezia
6 --☼ fotomess
___7 - jean~ge
___8 - GreenDK
___9 - jïsca
__10 - steve111

Best regards from 4Ullas

[Daniela Brocca]

4ullas Please pass onto the others if you can not get someone in the next 24 hours I will do it but must stress I can not get to a computer for 2-3 days at a time so it makes things a bit hard Chris

This is the answer from Chris Low to 4ullas . Now it's up to vterezia.We are waiting at her answer.

Daniela

[domispinella]

Quote Bruce da Moose:

Does this mean we are not doing CLOUDS next month?

" clouds " may be a nice topic for next month...

[vterezia]

dear Daniella, I really like the NPC competition, but unfortunately do not speak good English and can not be the moderator, I'm sorry............best regards vterezia

[Daniela Brocca]

So, now to the next.

[Bruce da Moose]

Hi, all - I understand the concern of people when they feel their understanding of English is not deep enough to be able to be the moderator -

But it really does not require that much English knowledge. In fact, if a person wishes to just choose the topic and set the rules, it is fairly easy for an English-speaking assistant to do all the writing. Most of it is "boilerplate", or material repeated from one contest to the next.

The time commitment during the contest is really quite moderate. Every couple of days, check entries and votes to make sure everything is right. Daniela always works on this too, and others are available to help out.

[Bruce da Moose]

Quote domispinella:

Quote Bruce da Moose:

Does this mean we are not doing CLOUDS next month?

" clouds " may be a nice topic for next month...

Yes, but the topic is chosen by the moderator, and the moderator who chose "Clouds" has decided to bow out.

[☼ fotomess]

Dear Daniella,

What a pity, but I'm travelling a lot by business these days. To do a good job i think it would be necessary to spend more time for moderation then will be left beside my work. The other thing is, that i don't know if I would have internet connection in my hotels.

A big excuse, perhaps next time !

Greetings Peter

[Daniela Brocca]

Now it's up to the next, Jean.

[jean~ge]

It appears the challenge of moderator has fallen to me! I'm sort of astonished and anxious but I will try my best to do a good job and moderate the 2010 March NPC .

Mine was 7th photo and now holds 7th place in the 2010 February NPC. If you believe that 7 is a lucky number, then perhaps this contest will be fun as they have in the past.

I have hesitated in making this decision and am only accepting because I see there is a lot of help. I am sure they will tell me where to start and what to do. If this is so, then I propose the next topic to be:



Twilight


Jean (I am also jgevans)

[Daniela Brocca]

Thank you, Jean. We will help you. On Sunday evening, when it's the right time for you, you can copy the first post of the last game, using the quote. You can copy and past the whole post, but for the date and the words referred to the old topic. You have to change the title and the month and add some simple words to explain your topic. Then in the next ten days you have only to check if the numbers in the posts and in the titles are right. I will check the links and fix them,if needed. In the meantime you could download the Toolkit from here

http://www.rstamp.karoo.net/

should you haven't already done . It's the best to moderate and you will have time to study it. When you have it open on your PC click on the Question mark. There you have how to use it. Ask for everything you don't understand. Many friends will be here to help you.

Daniela

[Karen James]

Hi, Jean

If I haven't said it before congratulations on your 7th place, lucky 7 as we all call it, I'm happy to see that you have taken the moderators job, don't worry there's help for you just ask

I look forward to your choice of topic "Twilight" which I think is something any camera can achieve, good on you Jean

Warm Wishes, Karen

[jean~ge]

Thank you, Daniela and Karen. I am glad to hear that you like the topic, Karen. I hope everyone will agree.

OK, I have the 'Copy of NPC Toolkit' but it doesn't seem to be working. First there is a window with instructions that I have tried to follow as best as I can but it doesn't seem to make any difference. The window states this:

Macros are disabled because the security level is set to High and a digitally Trusted Certificate is not attached to the macros. To run the macros, change the security level to a lower setting (not recommended), or request the macros be signed by the author using a certificate issued by a Certificate Authority.

After realizing that this might not make any difference I just clicked the X in the corner and got rid of the window.

I clicked on the "?" in the corner and got a whole page with a tiny window asking for "VBAProject Password".

What do I do now?

[Bruce da Moose]

Quote jean~ge:

It appears the challenge of moderator has fallen to me! I'm sort of astonished and anxious but I will try my best to do a good job and moderate the 2010 March NPC .

Mine was 7th photo and now holds 7th place in the 2010 February NPC. If you believe that 7 is a lucky number, then perhaps this contest will be fun as they have in the past.

7th place maybe, but your raccoon photo is first in Dis Moose's heart

[Bruce da Moose]

Quote ©Daniela Brocca:

Thank you, Jean. We will help you. On Sunday evening, when it's the right time for you, you can copy the first post of the last game, using the quote. ...

Daniela

FYI - once the topic has been 'locked' the 'quote' function no longer works. If one cuts-and-pastes the text from the old post, one must newly insert all of the edits (color, type size, bold and etc). I know, I have learned from hard experience. Not that big a deal, really, just some extra work. I can help if you like - that stuff I can do!

[Ian Dyer]

Hi Jean you must enable macros for the toolkit to work. I and many others have downloaded the toolkit with no problems at all. I have used it for months to follow the voting. It really is a powerful helper for the moderators job and creates automatic posts for the opening, closing etc. It also highlights voting faults, ie people not entitled to vote, or those who accidentally vote for too many or too few.

Once you have the toolkit open fill in the url for the contest forum (last month the number was 24925, You could use this to try it out) Then click on the space below that number, then click on lookup. All important values will fill themselves in. Then click on the Entries tab at the bottom and download the enrties. Then click on the votes tab at the bottom and download the votes.
>From there you have the basics. If you fill in other parts of the first screen you can start to make the automatic posts for the moderators job.

I look in most days. if I see a problem I'll let you Know, as will many others.
Congratulations Ian.

[Daniela Brocca]

As I am a moderator I don't know how it works for you, Bruce. But I can reopen it and then it should work.

As for the Toolkit Jean you have to enable the macros. I never had problems. It was the same with the CSP moderator last month , she could not use it.because the macros did not work. Maybe could Rob help?

As I see Ian has already given some answers. Thanks Ian.

Daniela

[RobStamp]

Hello Jean

In Excel follow these menu options to set the security to medium
Tools->Macro->Security Level->Medium

When you next try to run the Toolkit, there should be a dialogue, to which you choose the option "Enable Macros"

Best wishes, Rob

[jean~ge]

Finally, it's working! I don't know what I did to get it going. Just try over and over, finally a window pops up that allows me to accept the macros. Am I lucky or what?

Thank you all!

Now I go see how it works...

Jean

PS - Rob, I now see your message just after I wrote. That is exactly what I did, I suppose. You must have helped me along with your powerful telepathy.

and for all you who are waiting and wondering (and haven't read the last page):

[∙Didier∙]

Will shots in hdr also be allowed for this topic?

[Daniela Brocca]

Of course, and after change of rule no need to declare it.

[jean~ge]

Is there still a requirement to state 'the country where the photo was taken' in their title?

[Daniela Brocca]

Yes, in but it's enough to write it in the title in the post. Daniela

[jean~ge]

Quote ©Daniela Brocca:

Yes, in but it's enough to write it in the title in the post. Daniela

Thank you, Daniela, but I wish to be sure that I understand.

The contestant writes the name of the country in the post when they enter the contest, the posting in the Forum... but it is not necessary to put it in the title above the photo in the gallery.

Is that right?

Jean

[Daniela Brocca]

Yes, it's right. Sometimes the title is not even the same. The name of the country is only for 4ullas's statistics, so it's needed in the forum post. What is needed in the photo title in the gallery is the number.

Daniela

[jean~ge]

Quote ©Daniela Brocca:

Yes, it's right. Sometimes the title is not even the same. The name of the country is only for 4ullas's statistics, so it's needed in the forum post. What is needed in the photo title in the gallery is the number.

Daniela

Thank you, Daniela.

[Dottor Topy]

Since many people don't understand English ( as written above ), I think that it's necessary to clarify the meaning of the word "twilight". The borderline between "twilight" and "sunset" could be very weak, so some photos may not fit the criteria (for example: have the sun to be absent in the photo?). Thank you

[jean~ge]

Quote Dottor Topy:

Since many people don't understand English ( as written above ), I think that it's necessary to clarify the meaning of the word "twilight". The borderline between "twilight" and "sunset" could be very weak, so some photos may not fit the criteria (for example: the sun have to be absent in the photo?). Thank you

I'll be glad to make changes if needed. This is what I have written:

Twilight occurs twice a day - a brief time that is just before the sun appears at the beginning of a new day or just after it disappears at the end of the day. The sun is not present, it is behind the horizon.

Your photo should represent a tiny moment in time during twilight. There are no restrictions on subject matter except they should meet the usual Panoramio guidelines.

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Perfect definition Jean that makes it more clear for me too.
I suppose you will include this usefull explanation in official kick-off post of new theme.

[© Konny]

Hi all, i´ve seen a False Thumbnailpost here by this Name 3 – NEW ZEALAND Eva Kaprinai - 66 votes when i push Eva Kaprinai open it this Galery from Steve 111!!!

it is just a reminder!
It is not so important

Greetings,


Konny

[Bruce da Moose]

Quote jean~ge:

This is absolutely clear to me - but apparently not to everyone. I see lots of glowing Hydrogen balls in the set so far

[Dottor Topy]

Bruce...I was sure !!!!!

[©Bruno Tortarolo]

For those wich don't know the definition of TWILIGHT...

[4ullas]

Hi everybody:

In order to do not have any doubt about the twilight concept expressed in my entry, I decided to change my entry to another that it was taken clearly after astronomic sunset and before the full darkness doubtless.

Best regards and good luck to the NPC participants from 4Ullas

[Daniela Brocca]

In italiano si chiama crepuscolo e il sole è già scomparso...

crépuscule en francais, Dämmerung auf Deutsch, crepúsculo en español

I don't know any other languages...

Daniela

[jean~ge]

I have suggested to a few entrants that they MAY edit their posts and switch to a different photo because the sun is so obviously present. However, this is NOT a requirement. The voters will probably make their choices based upon the definition of the word twilight (when the sun is behind the horizon and is not visible).

Others may be having doubts about the sun in their photo.

I encourage editing if anyone wants to choose a different photo... for any reason.

***NPC Twilight Moderator Jean***

[jean~ge]

Quote ©Daniela Brocca:

Thank you!

[Daniela Brocca]

You was very clear in the opening post, Jean. Don't worry, at the end everything will be solved with the votes. Daniela

[jean~ge]

Quote ©Daniela Brocca:

You was very clear in the opening post, Jean. Don't worry, at the end everything will be solved with the votes. Daniela

That is good advice. I agree.

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Hi Jean,
small notice in intial competition post could help - something like:
"...voters are responsible for distinguishing between sunset and twiligth and vote for twilight pictures only..."

Bruce da Moose used same approach in last contest and I found it smart and efficient. And it makes moderator's work easier.

I think its legal to make this addition in time of pictures posting, because it actually doesn't chage theme specification.

[Bruce da Moose]

Quote Tomas Kohout:

Generally speaking, in the NPC, people have been permitted to change their entries up to the last day, for any reason. Voting does not begin until the day after that anyway, so it should not matter. I may yet change mine.

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Hi Bruce, I don't know if the contestants are allowed to change their photo or to withdraw it and send a new one instead (for technical or any other reasons)... but it was not my point!

And I don't want you to change your nice post at all, it is clear twilight for me!!

My point was only that: in last Monochromatic Moods NPC announcement you use "foxy" clause - that voters are responsible for selecting pictures according to the theme specification. And I suggest to include similar clause to this NPC announcement, to make moderation easier for Jean.

[jean~ge]

I will leave the intro as it stands. Anyone who has already entered will not be reading it again, I would think. In the interest of fair play, I won't change the intro. That suggestion might be a good one for the next moderator.

As I have stated before:

I encourage editing if anyone wants to choose a different photo... for any reason.

It is easy to edit your post, just switch the photo id numbers. Even I can do it! ... (and have.)

***NPC Twilight Moderator Jean***

[someGuyinmasset]

You think we can have a level playing field and have everybody post their entry in the thumbnail size? Either that or the rest of us may as well switch to the 'small' size.

[Daniela Brocca]

Quote someGuyinmasset:

You think we can have a level playing field and have everybody post their entry in the thumbnail size? Either that or the rest of us may as well switch to the 'small' size.

The size is thumbnail for everybody, small size only for panorama, because they are to small as a thumbnail.

[Bruce da Moose]

Quote Tomas Kohout:

Hi Bruce,

...I don't want you to change your nice post at all, it is clear twilight for me!!

My point was only that: in last Monochromatic Moods NPC announcement you use "foxy" clause - that voters are responsible for selecting pictures according to the theme specification. And I suggest to include similar clause to this NPC announcement, to make moderation easier for Jean.

Tomas - But, but, - I may find an even nicer one!

I understand the "foxy" part - but being clever is not a big part of my personality. I think it is a generally a good idea (and not my own, by the way). I did that again because, if I did not, I'd spend a lot of time fussing over pictures and possibly battling with people over small nuances. I went through that once, and I would not do it again.

[Tomas K☼h☼ut]

Quote Bruce da Moose:

So we can call it wise or smart (sorry, my English is not so good. to choose proper synonym...).
I understood your reasons and that's why I call it foxy
You chose best and very democratic approach - no matter who is the author of this thougt. One thing I love about NPC contest concept is... that contest is almost selfserviced! Yes, there is one moderator, though...

Good luck and gentle twiLIGHT everybody!

[jean~ge]

Quote ©Daniela Brocca:

Quote someGuyinmasset:

You think we can have a level playing field and have everybody post their entry in the thumbnail size? Either that or the rest of us may as well switch to the 'small' size.

The size is thumbnail for everybody, small size only for panorama, because they are to small as a thumbnail.

There is a photo #72 by m © bernd that appears to be much larger than the others. What should I do?

***NPC Twilight Moderator Jean***

[Daniela Brocca]

I resized it, but there was no problem, because it is a panoramic view and can be submited at size small.That'is not something you can do, only moderators of the forum can.

[jean~ge]

Quote ©Daniela Brocca:

I resized it, but there was no problem, because it is a panoramic view and can be submited at size small.That'is not something you can do, only moderators of the forum can.

Thank you, Daniela.
I knew I didn't know how. I'm glad that I wasn't supposed to know how.

[Bruce da Moose]

Quote jean~ge:

Indeed, we are all glad! - We never know when Jean is going to be a corrupt, ruthless power-abuser!

[jean~ge]

Quote Bruce da Moose:

Oh, Bruce, you say the sweetest things.

[Bruce da Moose]

Quote jean~ge:

Just call me Casanova.

"Don Juan" Moose

[Dottor Topy]

What's happened to my photo n. 35 ? Mine was not so big !!??

[antorenz]

Quote Dottor Topy:

What's happened to my photo n. 35 ? Mine was not so big !!??

Doc, you used the "small" size. You should use the "thumbnail".

You can edit it pasting this:

# 35 - San Nicola Twilight - Italy

(parentesi quadra)url=http://www.panoramio.com/photo/25506528](PARENTESI QUADRA)img]http://www.panoramio.com/photos/thumbnail/25506528.jpg[/img][/url]

If you like, open in OF, thank you


Ciao, Anto

[Dottor Topy]

Ciao Antonella, I used the thumbnail size,I'm sure ( moreover I don't know other sizes ). Until yesterday I saw my photo in this size,and today is changed but not by me. Grazie comunque ed un bacione !!

[antorenz]

I think only you and the moderator (???) can edit a post. But I am not sure about it! Anyway, I would leave it like that

Ciao Doc

[antorenz]

Quote antorenz:

I think only you and the moderator (???) can edit a post. But I am not sure about it! Anyway, I would leave it like that

Ciao Doc

PS: Doc, the moderator explained that Panoramas can be "small size". See the Mod Edit on photo # 29 of the NPC!

Ciao again!

[Daniela Brocca]

Sometimes I edit the panoramic shots to small size, as in the thumbnail they are too tiny and it's a rule of the forum . As I see, you edited it back to thumbnail, Dotty. Dany

[Dottor Topy]

Dani, I dont know which is better, but you know me , I think I'm a "discret person" . If people like my photo I prefer that they open it in OF, and if they don't like...sorry,...life goes on however. Ciao e bacioni - P.S. Antonella,what do you think about ?