Riak displacing Oracle

[Ross Jones]

Anybody have more information on the use of Riak in the NHS. There's a tiny bit of this article that mentions it.

http://redmonk.com/jgovernor/2013/04/03/shoreditch-basho-is-hiring-also-shaking-up-the-nhs/

Riak, for those who don't know is a fairly modern nosql database.

Ross 

[Rob Dyke]

'Spine' is lots of things which are being replatformed using open components and agile techniques. While this has been an open secret for sometime, it was publically discussed a week or so ago at an Intellect event.

Much of the Spine2 work is being done by BJSS: "will work with NHS Connecting for Health to build the core services of ‘Spine 2’ – PDS, EPS, SCR and TMS - in a series of iterative development blocks. The company will also develop options to replace the user interfacing systems that access Care Records and Demographics Services, while ensuring the existing external interfaces remain unchanged to ensure there is no adverse impact on existing connected systems."

PDS - Patient Demographic Services

EPS - Electronic Prescribing Services

SCR - Summary Care Record

TMS - Transactional Management Services

As to the components or the stack I don't know any details....

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[Rob Dyke]

See also http://www.woodcote-consulting.com/spine-2-and-the-second-coming-of-the-great-prophet-zarquon/

I have been hearing reliable rumours for some time about skunkworks activity within in CfH to try and re-implement SPINE (at least as used, rather than as specified) using open source components and an agile development methodology, but today was the first official confirmation of this. It would seem that the initial skunkworks proved the concept and has been thrown away, a great example of the value of a “fail-fast” philosophy, and that this has been followed by a second phase of the project which appears to be close to delivering a production version of SPINE2. I’m reliable informed that the initial skunkworks involved just a handful of people within CfH with a cost of under £250k. The next phase of the project has been support by some external development resource procured under G-Cloud from BJSS (www.bjss.co.uk) and while I don’t know how much this cost I think it pretty clear that it will have been only a tiny fraction of what it must have cost to get SPINE1 to the same stage.

[Will Holley]

The Azure / G-cloud announcement http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ukgovernment/archive/2013/04/04/windows-azure-receives-g-cloud-impact-level-2-accreditation-from-cabinet-office-for-use-across-the-uk-public-sector.aspx seems interesting in relation to this. Both Riak (http://basho.com/announcing-riak-on-microsoft-windows-azure/) and CouchDB (https://cloudant.com/azure/) are available as managed data layers on Azure.

[Wai Keong]

Hmm... can someone explain to me what this means to me as a clinician? How can this make me it easier for me to deliver better care to my patients compared to what we have today. 

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[Rob Dyke]

Displacing Oracle with openness might mean that there is an extra few million quid in a Trust budget.

[Adrian]

It might make it easier to build applications, which by inference might make it easier to deliver better care.

NoSQL databases have their upside and downside.

Here's a summary from a company that makes one ..

http://www.10gen.com/nosql

And here's an amusing (and profane) video that someone made from a Q&A session on an IRC channel (AFAIK)

http://mongodb-is-web-scale.com/

As with anything else, your mileage may vary ; there are NoSQL databases with different properties, just as there are RDBMS with different properties (like a lack of foreign key integrity with certain MySQL storage engines).

[Adrian]

> Displacing Oracle

You might very well think that certain groups in certain (freshly minted) organizations have been instructed to evaluate the options and costs of moving away from Oracle, I couldn't possibly comment.

I think that one possible motivation behind scrapping the NHS-wide agreement for MS Office was that it was a huge, single, central, budget line item and thus made a ripe target for people saying things like "Hey, what would we get if we spent a small fraction of that on LibreOffice development instead?". From what I can tell, Oracle go in for similar bulk license arrangements.

[Malcolm Newbury]

Paas is about giving more direct access and support to developers and in particular clinician developers, and potentially bypassing the IT dept, for VM provisioning. So should make you guys more responsible for The software you use .  

Should be lots of fun!

Malcolm

Sent from my iPhone

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[Patrick Leonard]

Does anyone have any updated information on NHS use of Riak? I'd be interested to learn more and share experiences with someone familiar with details of the project. Thanks!

Patrick

https://www.itriagehealth.com/

[Rob Dyke]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=nhs+riak

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Sent: Friday, 25 October, 2013 3:18:46 PM
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[Malcolm Newbury]

Come along to the #EHILive #Skunkworks - both Riak and BJSS will be there exhibiting and speaking.

Here is the list of talks . . 

http://www.meetup.com/Integrating-the-Open-Enterprise/pages/SPEAKER_SLOTS_-_at_the_Open_Source_Skunkworks_2013

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[Malcolm Newbury]

and you can follow updates on @Guildfoss

[Patrick Leonard]

Thanks!

On Friday, October 25, 2013, Malcolm Newbury wrote:

and you can follow updates on @Guildfoss

On 25 Oct 2013, at 15:30, Malcolm Newbury <malcolm...@googlemail.com> wrote:

Come along to the #EHILive #Skunkworks - both Riak and BJSS will be there exhibiting and speaking.

Here is the list of talks . . 

http://www.meetup.com/Integrating-the-Open-Enterprise/pages/SPEAKER_SLOTS_-_at_the_Open_Source_Skunkworks_2013

On 25 Oct 2013, at 15:18, Patrick Leonard <pleo...@itriagehealth.com> wrote:

Does anyone have any updated information on NHS use of Riak? I'd be interested to learn more and share experiences with someone familiar with details of the project. Thanks!

Patrick

https://www.itriagehealth.com/

On Sunday, April 7, 2013 2:50:56 PM UTC-6, Rob Dyke [Tactix4] wrote:

See also http://www.woodcote-consulting.com/spine-2-and-the-second-coming-of-the-great-prophet-zarquon/

I have been hearing reliable rumours for some time about skunkworks activity within in CfH to try and re-implement SPINE (at least as used, rather than as specified) using open source components and an agile development methodology, but today was the first official confirmation of this. It would seem that the initial skunkworks proved the concept and has been thrown away, a great example of the value of a “fail-fast” philosophy, and that this has been followed by a second phase of the project which appears to be close to delivering a production version of SPINE2. I’m reliable informed that the initial skunkworks involved just a handful of people within CfH with a cost of under £250k. The next phase of the project has been support by some external development resource procured under G-Cloud from BJSS (www.bjss.co.uk) and while I don’t know how much this cost I think it pretty clear that it will have been only a tiny fraction of what it must have cost to get SPINE1 to the same stage.

On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Rob Dyke <rob...@gmail.com> wrote:

'Spine' is lots of things which are being replatformed using open components and agile techniques. While this has been an open secret for sometime, it was publically discussed a week or so ago at an Intellect event.

Much of the Spine2 work is being done by BJSS: "will work with NHS Connecting for Health to build the core services of ‘Spine 2’ – PDS, EPS, SCR and TMS - in a series of iterative development blocks. The company will also develop options to replace the user interfacing systems that access Care Records and Demographics Services, while ensuring the existing external interfaces remain unchanged to ensure there is no adverse impact on existing connected systems."

PDS - Patient Demographic Services

EPS - Electronic Prescribing Services

SCR - Summary Care Record

TMS - Transactional Management Services

As to the components or the stack I don't know any details....

On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Ross Jones <ross....@openhealthcare.org.uk>

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