Is it just me?

[Bill Notfaded]

Is it just me or does it almost seem like most of the great tubes for sale are almost a thing of the past now?

Maybe I'm a little overboard but it wasn't that long ago that the were still some good items to be had even if for a premium price.  I almost feel like the best of days are behind us now and it's only few and far between when we see something really great on the market.

Perhaps for some of us collectors we now sit on a gold mine because... We have things that have gone and will never be again.  I'm just happy to say I'm really glad I've been able to share some of this with you and have been a part of it.  I owe a lot to many here that came before me.  Thank God for Dalibor and others that carry the love forward!  The future is now for neon nixie.  God bless you and let the new become the future.

Best Regards,

Bill

[Audrey]

I'm new so I dont know what it used to be like, but it seems like wonderful things come along every once in a while, 3 CD-47s have sold recently, a CD-27, that b7971 clock you purchased, some pandicons, a pair of GR10Gs

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[Nicholas Stock]

Bill, times have certainly changed for obvious reasons. There is the occasional 'bargain' to be had for those that pay close attention to eBay etc, but gone are the days of yore. I'm sure there are a number of list members sitting on 'hoards' that may let things sell here and there, but inflationary greed being what it is, prices are only going up. My interests veered away from nixies to other vintage display devices for exactly that reason and prices are still reasonable for CRT's, dekatrons etc. How long that stays true is anyone's guess, but the trajectory will be the same I guess...

Cheers,

Nick

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[Dekatron42]

To me it also seems that there are more people that have the funds to spend which also drives the greed of the sellers, it's not just greed I mean.

/Martin

[Jeff Walton]

I don’t personally think that there is much of a mystery about the lack of “great tubes” on ebay or other places at “reasonable prices”.   The market is no longer for hobbyists, it has shifted to a collector phase where some are simply hoarding tubes and others approach it with a “win at any price” attitude.  There are obviously people on this board that are engaged in this approach and some are silent and some like to post their acquisitions.  It’s no different with anything else that isn’t being made anymore.  Vintage comic books, baseball cards and lots of other examples of collectables show what happens when people with too much money decide what things should be worth to everyone else.  Nixie tubes are no different.  I would guess that there are many people on this board that have hundreds or even thousands of tubes sitting in their homes or in storage.  Do they need all of them?  Probably not, but that is the nature of collecting.  It is only when those with lots of disposable income get into the game that the prices will rise for everyone as the supply dwindles. 

 

When the supply has been mostly consumed and the prices are high, then there may be an opening for small shops to get back into the production of some types of tubes and actually be able to sell at a price that works today and provides a livelihood for their efforts.  We are fortunate that there are some producers such as Dalibor that have figured out how to build a reliable nixie and price it so that there is a supply that is available to the hobby market.  The variety that once existed is likely gone with few exceptions.  The people that will consume tubes from Dalibor or Millclock are hobbyists as opposed to collectors and that will make those tubes obtainable while the vintage tubes will be out of reach for people that are in the hobby game.

 

It’s just economics and supply/demand.

 

Jeff

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[Mac Doktor]

Some blathering...

On Jan 23, 2022, at 12:44 PM, Bill Notfaded <notf...@gmail.com> wrote:

Perhaps for some of us collectors we now sit on a gold mine

Everything I've bought in the last five years seems to have turned into a good to excellent investment. IN-13s have of course gone up in price at a steady pace but over the last year or so IN-9s have absolutely skyrocketed. For example:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/223870481127

That's $14.36 apiece including shipping but not taxes—for a lot of 25! If you click on the number of lots sold you'll see that last February the BIN was only $179. o_O

Ridiculous asking prices are nothing new on eBay but I've bought from this seller in the past and he/she/it was reasonable then. 

The pandemic is the major factor in all of this but we all know that stocks of Soviet surplus are dwindling as well. Also, a certain Chinese "VU" meter with two IN-9s suddenly turned up everywhere in the last year. The typical price is something like $109. Could that be factor #3?

Forget about hoarding IN-14s, I should have borrowed some money and bought every IN-9 in sight a year ago. I would have at least doubled my money by Christmas.  8D

Terry Bowman, KA4HJH
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[Bill Notfaded]

I'm glad I'm not the only one.  I love all of you.  You've let me in on your journey.  It seems we're at a turning point now.  I suppose our hope is all on a few now.  We love the neon.  Maybe more of us might get the bug to make more things.  That Dalibor Keysight neon comes to mind.  I can't let go of the past because it's gotten us to where we are today.

This is what really set me off:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/174977901251

Best Regards,

Bill

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On Jan 23, 2022, at 11:11 PM, Bill Notfaded <notf...@gmail.com> wrote:

This is what really set me off:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/174977901251

I've been told by someone who knows these sorts of things that this price is just a tad high. And so is the seller. Much more so.

Nice though the object is...

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[Nick Andrews]

Bbbbbut that seller graciously offered me that tube for only $7000...

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[Nick Andrews]

That's just crazy talk.  Glad I picked up some IN-9 and IN-13 a while back, but wish I'd bought a lot more.  I think IN-9 should be about $5-6ea and the 13s what, $10?  I wish, not any more!  I think it's awesome that some folks are being inventive and making things, but it really sucks when it ruins the market for specific items which haven't been made in decades.

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[Bartek Ogryz]

Do you know how eastern sellers (Ukrainians, Russians, etc) are uplifting the tubes prices? It's a very simple trick :)

I had bought many IV-25 about a year ago for funny money. It was a real catch! After a few days, the seller had raised the price 10x. From that moment on, every next person, who had found that auction, could think, that so many tubes had sold for that high price :)

Tubes prices increased twice last year.

Bartek.

[Michail Wilson]

I always check the price history to see when and how much.

 

I know of sellers selling something for a normal price, then after I buy and get it, they change their auction to a completely different cheaper item so it appears to new people that the cheap item sold for a higher amount.

 

 

 

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[Nick Andrews]

Sellers on Amazon have been doing this lately too.  I ordered a 2" rod of UHMW plastic for $12+ and said they only had one.  Next day they had more, but at $18.  Bastiches.  Another seller had more at the lower price so I ordered some from them.

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[Adrian Godwin]

I assume it's to try to generate a panic to make you buy it rather than scam you for multiple postages. But it often causes me to avoid them because I want more than one, or want to come back for more if I like it.

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[Bill Notfaded]

Well I bought some tubes after searching high and low.  That's what it takes these days.  I love z1000R tubes they're much rather it seems but check this!  Have you seen IN-18 likes these before?

Bill

Check out the grid have you seen anything like it?  What's the story behind these?

Some of the other recent cops:

I'll still always be on the lookout even if the pickens are thin!

Best Regards,

Bill

[Nicholas Stock]

I have a set of those IN18's. The pinouts are different.

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Well I bought some tubes after searching high and low.  That's what it takes these days.  I love z1000R tubes they're much rather it seems but check this!  Have you seen IN-18 likes these before?

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[Michail Wilson]

Very nice.  I personally have never seen them with horizontal/vertical mesh; only honeycomb.

 

Michail Wilson

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Well I bought some tubes after searching high and low.  That's what it takes these days.  I love z1000R tubes they're much rather it seems but check this!  Have you seen IN-18 likes these before?

 

Bill

Check out the grid have you seen anything like it?  What's the story behind these?

Some of the other recent cops:

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[Audrey]

Afaik Bill the story is just that those are very early tubes, 70s I believe, the cathodes are also differently shaped I believe.

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[Audrey]

Hi Bill, I've attached some more photos of those old IN-18s from a previous ebay listing.

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[Bill Notfaded]

Wow that's so awesome I always wondered about these different IN-18.  Anything different always sparks my emotions.

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[Bill Notfaded]

I'm totally psyched to get some of these.  If they're really some of the original IN-18 even more awesome!   I just noticed they didn't look like any I've had before and ofc it picked my interest!

Bill

[Nicholas Stock]

They are way overpriced.

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[Mac Doktor]

On Jan 24, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Nick Andrews <nickja...@gmail.com> wrote:

That's just crazy talk.  Glad I picked up some IN-9 and IN-13 a while back, but wish I'd bought a lot more.  I think IN-9 should be about $5-6ea and the 13s what, $10?  I wish, not any more!  I think it's awesome that some folks are being inventive and making things, but it really sucks when it ruins the market for specific items which haven't been made in decades.

It's been a little over four years since I got into this hobby. In April of 2018 I made some large purchases on eBay; a variety of cold cathode goodies, all NOS. The Nixies were all symbolic, no numerics. Here's a sampling of the prices (not including very reasonable combined shipping). :

vannadiy:

OG-4 - @$5

2  each of IN-19A/B/V - $11 = @$1.84

10  IN-7 - $11.50 = @$1.15

uralspirit:

IN-15A/B - @$1.50

IN-5A-1/IN-5B-1 - @$2.50

IN-7A - @$2.00

IN-7B - @$1.90

IN-13 - @$6.50  [only $6 a week earlier]

Another seller listed 12 IN-9s for $32 and accepted my offer of $28. That's $2.34 apiece less than four years ago.

Sadly, I only purchased five of the IN-13s. Even worse, I could have gotten six or eight argon-filled IN-9s for $36 + shipping and passed on it. I haven't seen any since. o_O

Right now I possess thirteen IN-9s and ten IN-13s. You know that some of these won't work well enough to be used. I have a use for seven of the IN-13s right now.

[J Forbes]

A screen shot of part of David's Cathode Corner page twenty years ago. I remember when he paid $800 for a box of 100 ZM1040s. Man that was a lot of money! :)

[Michail Wilson]

Since you brought up IN-9 it made me think of my IV-9 collection (numitrons).

 

Not even 4 years ago, I was getting them on ebay for $2.50 each.  About a year ago, I was getting them for about $4.50 each.  Something happened and I made a purchase about 6 months ago at about $8.75 each.   Now they’re from $9-$15 each plus astronomical shipping.

 

I might have paid too much then at $8.75 each, but I have stock piled thousands of them (all new in boxes).  I am sure, well, pretty sure that I will never need to buy another one.  I do remember buying 600 of them a couple of years ago thinking I would never go through them, but it turns out 600 was only enough for a little over 2 years.  😊

 

Michail

 

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[Robert G. Schaffrath]

I paid $125 for 25 NOS  Philips ZM1022's back in 2002. Kicking myself I did not buy 50 at the time as I had the money and they are one of my favorite style tubes. They sat packed away for years until 2019 when I got several of the four digit Chinese clocks that use them.

[Paul Andrews]

I feel there should be a pinned thread titled “I can’t believe the price of tubes these days”. Don’t get me wrong, I also gasp at some of the asking prices I see!

Love those IN-18s. I would love to have a set, but I’m not sure I could justify the asking price, and I really need to make clocks for all the tubes I already have.

[Michail Wilson]

Regarding history of a sold item.  Here is an example of a seller changing the title and contents after a sale to make it appear there was sold history of an item they are selling.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/162483870363

The auction is for 100 pcs of a small EL panel readout.  $520.  Fair price, but a small display.

 

History shows that 22 sold at a cost of $30 each auction.

Those 22 were sold to me, but it wasn’t a lot of 100 each, and the item was completely different.

 

The actual auction, over a year ago, was really….

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Electroluminescence-Display-indicator-USSR-19-segments-IN-8-IN-14-IN-18/162483870363

They were EL panel displays, but 19 segments (alphanumeric) which I have never seen prior or after.

 

 

Michail

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[Bill Notfaded]

I agree with Paul.  We need a pinned thread about this.  Also Paul I'd be willing to part with some tubes for one of your single tube clocks maybe with some tube boards but I can order them since you've made them open source basically.  I love your single tube clock.  It's really f'in cool stuff!  Your website is super cool too!  I can't tell you how many times I've googled for some weird tube and guess who's got them on his site?  Hehe props.  It's nice when some of us can be references for others.  I wish I had more time but work is crazy busy right now.  I got to Scottsdale Barrett Jackson this past week on first day and last... I love cars but I think neon is even bigger fancy.

I haven't unboxed it yet but I brought that 8 tube 7971 clock and wanna see how it's made.  It might be a one off since no one really recognized it.

I'm kinda psyched.  I preordered a big 3D resin printer called Elegoo Saturn during their Kickstarter where they raised over 4M.  I'm hoping I can make some larger nixie tube cases and also other stuff like missing feet for test gear etc.  The resolution is legit.  Unlike many 3D printers you really can't see the layers and it's finally something you can afford to buy.

There was a time when eBay was just too many things to consider but it seems these days it's look and see if anything neat comes up.

I bought a couple Heathkit GC-1005's with a couple spare sets of SP-352 this week.  That's my buys this week.  I thought $100 each was great price for the clocks in mint condition?  The Babcock Beckman were 60$ for set of 3 working.  The clocks aren't flickering either.

Bill

Bill

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Michail-

The weird shenanigans with auctions I see it every day.  You gotta look at the history.  You're 100% right.

Many auctions if there isn't make offer or a good price I just move on unless it's something I really want then if it is I'll message them.

Bill

[Michail Wilson]

Bill,

 

Not sure which 8 tube thing you’re talking about since the link wasn’t provided; however, I think you mean the black clock with 8 x B-7971.  If so, then, heheh, I have one.

It is the Cogwheel design clock.  I actually went through the process of making one (sourcing the case, etc).  Let me know if you need any info.

 

More funny is that I also got the Elegoo Saturn. I’ve only printed the rook.  Yes, the resolution is great.  I assume you also got the uv cure/washing station as well?  It sits waiting for me to give it a real job.

 

As for the GC-1005, I have one that was cheaper, but did have a problem.  Easy fix.  As for the SP-352, I have plenty if you really need one.  I have found it best to contact sellers directly to purchase and they will negotiate a better price than the high prices they’re asking on ebay.  Of course I normally try to buy them all.

 

 

Michail Wilson

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I agree with Paul.  We need a pinned thread about this.  Also Paul I'd be willing to part with some tubes for one of your single tube clocks maybe with some tube boards but I can order them since you've made them open source basically.  I love your single tube clock.  It's really f'in cool stuff!  Your website is super cool too!  I can't tell you how many times I've googled for some weird tube and guess who's got them on his site?  Hehe props.  It's nice when some of us can be references for others.  I wish I had more time but work is crazy busy right now.  I got to Scottsdale Barrett Jackson this past week on first day and last... I love cars but I think neon is even bigger fancy.

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[Bill Notfaded]

Awe Michael-

I slipped... I ordered the Elegoo Jupiter.  Yeah lol I get them mixed up.  I'm waiting for the big format 6k one right now.  There have only been a few that got them a few reviewers got a preproduction one.  I got in the original group we'll see.

Bill

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[Bill Notfaded]

Also yeah it's the 7971 8 tube clock.

[Bill Notfaded]

Some other tubes I bought.  What does anyone know about Sylvania 8894?  Here they are.

I'm familiar with the DT-1704B but not the 8894 Sylvania?

[Bill Notfaded]

A little closer.

[Ian]

Nice tubes. 

IanV

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A little closer.

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[Paul Andrews]

They look like DT1704A - the tubes are a little fatter than the Bs and Cs.

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A little closer.

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[Paul Andrews]

Maybe. I’m thinking of making another batch. PM me.

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[Robert G. Schaffrath]

I did not realize there were different types of DT1704 tubes. I have a single Tung-Sol DT1704 still in its original RadioShack "Archer" packaging that I bought around 1975. I had already built a single digit Nixie counter following a supplied schematic using 7490, 7475 and 7441 TTL chips. I wanted to build a similar device using a 7447 in place of the 7441 since the decade counter and latch were independent of the display. But those parts were expensive for a young teen and I was only able to afford to build the Nixie counter because I made it a school science project and my parents gave me the additional money I needed after I paid out my newspaper money. Might be something for me to do when I retire in a few years. I have a been buying all kinds of small electronic gadgets and parts from AliExpress for ages with plans to someday make something interesting.

[Bill Notfaded]

I have some clocks and tubes different types but I've never seen those other ones before above.

Torrent Lang designed the clock.

Bill

[Audrey]

Aw that's so sweet :) (also forgot to mention the dt-1705e)

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[Paul Andrews]

I built a DT-1704 clock just recently 

[Ian Vine]

Always liked the VFD tubes with no mica substrate. Never managed to find any. Any one fancy selling some ?

Cheers

IanV

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[Bill Notfaded]

I really love that Paul!  These tubes are really unique for sure.  Your driver board looks pretty compact ie. not too many components.

Bill

[Bill Notfaded]

What have you been buying?  I found a couple NIB NL5440A, a couple LC-631 really excited about those.  I never had any before.  I got a few new NEC LD955A.  It's few and far between but still some neat stuff now and then.

Bill

[alex nolan]

Congrats Bill, I was interested in those LC-631 too, they're fantastic tubes and different enough from the ZM1040 to be really special (and of course much more rare). Surprised to hear about finding NIB NL5440As, I hope you got them for a reasonable price. It's crazy what the NL5540A/1As are asking on ebay in some of those listings.

I recently picked up a few Z568M which are on their way, I have a few already but now I should have enough to make a clock with them.

[Bill Notfaded]

Hey Alex believe it or not I got two NL5440A NIB for $75!

Bill

[Bill Notfaded]

Btw I got multiples for those auctions.  The price is the total.  I got 12 LD955A for example.  That's not one tube price.

Bill

[liam bartosiewicz]

Looks like someone got one hell of a deal right here:

I have no clue how I missed this

On Feb 26, 2022, at 9:05 AM, Bill Notfaded <notf...@gmail.com> wrote:

Btw I got multiples for those auctions.  The price is the total.  I got 12 LD955A for example.  That's not one tube price.

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[Bill Notfaded]

Sounds too good to be true even vs mine.

Bill

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