Updating the icon for MSC (munki2)

[Bart Reardon]

Bad idea?

I have a few thoughts on modernising the icon for MSC from the previous MSU icon. My reasoning is that the existing icon represents a utility that keeps software up to date and MSC presents more of an App Store experience (in addition to the existing functionality).

I don't want to suggest updating the icon for the sake of it but I think the user interaction with munki has changed enough in munki 2 that the icon should reflect a status of a user application rather than a system utility that only pops up when there is an update.

I could be way off base though (this came about since I'm practicing my app icon design skills anyway and used MSC as a guinea pig in a hypothetical scenario. Happy to post the results if there is interest).

[Gregory Neagle]

In my mind the main driver behind updating the icon would be to make it fit in better with the new look of Yosemite.

Other than that, any changes seem to me to be change for change's sake.

-Greg

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[Miq Viq]

In our organization I have been using a custom icon for MSU.app to get users to understand that the annoying app offering updates is really managed by our organization.

I plan to keep it that way when we migrate to Munki 2, maybe next autumn, after MacSysAdmin conference...

And I am going to modify the customizable items on MSC (mostly sidebar items) for our purposes.

The company branding with MSC seems so much easier compared to MSU, and that is very welcomed!


-MiqViq

[Josh Malone]

Yeah, same here. Until I put our custom icon on MSU people were constantly either mixing it up with Apple software update or not trusting it.

[Christopher Grande]

I have a branch of Munki 2 with custom icons if anyone is interested in them:

Main Managed Software Center Icon:

https://code.google.com/r/christophergrande-munkidev/source/browse/code/Managed+Software+Center/Managed+Software+Center/Managed+Software+Center.icns?spec=svneee2c994570462b3ddf91ef2f0d2065a91230d37&name=Munki2CustomIcons&r=eee2c994570462b3ddf91ef2f0d2065a91230d37

Munki Status Icon:

https://code.google.com/r/christophergrande-munkidev/source/browse/code/MunkiStatus/MunkiStatus/MunkiStatus.icns?name=Munki2CustomIcons&r=8569660880d71973b422070c752e02962b159b4f

[Gregory Neagle]

In general I like the look of this, with a couple of comments:

If we are going to change the icon at all, it should be changed to the new Yosemite look.

Not sure there's a lot of point in a new/different icon for MunkiStatus as that app is only launched at the loginwindow and users should never see its icon.

-Greg

[Bart Reardon]

This is the icon I came up with last night which tries to follow the yosemite look. The idea is it's a package installer hence the flat take on the OS X package icon with a progress bar underneath (although looking at it now, I thing the progress bar should be the other way round). Colours are of course changeable if we want to avoid yet another round blue icon.

[Erik]

I prefer a mix of the two icons presented.

Although we know what a .pkg file looks like, an open box means nothing to a typical user. If we are going to have to train users on a new icon, the more similar it is to the real app store, the better.

[Bart Reardon]

I must admit, I do like the "box of apps" that Christopher is using. I started looking at some take on the pencil-brush-ruler standard but looked too similar to the app store icon so went for a package installer theme instead.

What about the two do you like/dislike other than the open box. I'm happy to provide the image file for people to play with but it's in pixelmator format (I'm using it more than photoshop these days). 

[Bart Reardon]

a mix, plus using the arrow colours of the MSU icon for the background gradient

confusion with the install bar diagram perhaps? Pixelmator document attached as well

On Wednesday, 25 June 2014 10:20:06 UTC+10, Erik wrote:

[Gregory Neagle]

Why would we want to remind people they will be seeing progress bars?

-Greg

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[Bart Reardon]

It's more of an indicator that it's a thing that downloads and installs other things (which is what I presume the down arrow on the current icon represents pointing to the hard drive). Also it's another level of abstraction from the app store to differentiate it.

however, as per my previous comment it probably adds confusion. It was added in when I was playing with the pkg icon theme so it wasn't just a circle with a box in it with no indication of what it is or does. Using Christopher's app drawer with the os x application logo on the front it's probably not needed, especially if you decide to take advantage of NSProgressIndicator on dock icons at some point.

[Pepijn Bruienne]

A thumbs up on the icons, I am liking them - with the same Yosemite caveat that Greg brought up: flatter = better. Generally sticking as closely as possible to the MAS visual language will mean fewer questions from users in my opinion, which is what we're all shooting for.

Thanks,

Pepijn.

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[Allister Banks]

Just wanted to chime in with a vote of approval for Mr. Grande's work, but I don't think they need to be flatter, Yosemite doesn't mean flat(or circle, or any other one style/shape), in my take on the visual cues/guidance from Apple. 

I really like the very distinct Status icon, as it clues the user in on what is going on at that moment(almost like a yellow traffic signal.) Thanks, Allister

[Gregory Neagle]

On Jun 25, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Allister Banks <a...@aru-b.com> wrote:

Just wanted to chime in with a vote of approval for Mr. Grande's work, but I don't think they need to be flatter, Yosemite doesn't mean flat(or circle, or any other one style/shape), in my take on the visual cues/guidance from Apple. 

I really like the very distinct Status icon, as it clues the user in on what is going on at that moment(almost like a yellow traffic signal.)

I can't imagine a scenario where a normal user would ever see this icon. 

Thanks, Allister

[Allister Banks]

ManagedSoftwareCenter doesn't have an external window to show the download progress when you choose a optional install anymore, right?
Allister

[Gregory Neagle]

Let's clarify things.

Managed Software Center does not have a separate progress window.

The "new" MunkiStatus.app is used _only_ at the loginwindow to display progress of downloads, installs and removals. No one will see the application icon in normal usage.

There is an image displayed in the MunkiStatus progress status window. It need not be the same as the application's icon. It seems to me it should be the _same_ as the application icon of Managed Software Center to reinforce the idea that these things are connected/related. Compare for example the image displayed in the status window when software updates require a logout or restart: it is the App Store icon.

-Greg

[Bart Reardon]

I always considered the munki status app and software centre to be windows on managedsoftwareupdate based on what they do. So one icon to rule them all makes sense.

Anyway, a question I have at this stage. _IF_ there was a decision to modernise the icon then what elements are important. At the moment there is a hard drive, an arrow pointing to it and some circular arrows. I interpret this as storage, putting something on that storage and keeping in sync (up to date, maintained, etc.)

I like the "container of apps" motif. Makes sense in this age of ssd's to not picture an actual hard disk plus MSC has a bigger focus on presenting apps than MSU did. I also like the circular arrows. Other than putting those two elements in a Yosemite style design, what is missing?

Alternately, since changing the icon was never in the plan anyway, it doesn't get done. Those that want a different icon can make one (for whatever reason) just like some apparently already do.

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[Bart Reardon]

> but I don't think they need to be flatter, Yosemite doesn't mean flat(or circle, or any other one style/shape)

In all honesty, I don't think this either. In my own personal design I went for flat circle since it seems to be the design language du jour, but it doesn't necessarily need to be like that. Plenty of applications have non-flat, non circular etc. My only impetus for starting this discussion is that I feel MSC has evolved away from being a systems admin utility that users are forced to deal with to an application store that users should 'want' to use and the icon should reflect that. 

[Erik]

What about the two do you like/dislike other than the open box. I'm happy to provide the image file for people to play with but it's in pixelmator format (I'm using it more than photoshop these days). 

I prefer the color scheme of yours, while I prefer the overall concept of Chris' icon. His icon is very similar to Apple Configurator (although that has no relevancy to a standard user).

I would think the art style should be Yosemite-like, meaning half flat. Full on might make the icon might stick out like a sore thumb on older versions of OS X.

On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 4:33:54 PM UTC-5, gregn...@mac.com wrote:

There is an image displayed in the MunkiStatus progress status window. It need not be the same as the application's icon. It seems to me it should be the _same_ as the application icon of Managed Software Center to reinforce the idea that these things are connected/related.

Not to veer off topic, but this is why I requested an enhancement to change the name - a normal user may get confused when MSC logs them out to run MSU.

On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 4:56:06 PM UTC-5, Bart Reardon wrote:I always considered the munki status app and software centre to be windows on managedsoftwareupdate based on what they do. So one icon to rule them all makes sense.
 

Anyway, a question I have at this stage. _IF_ there was a decision to modernise the icon then what elements are important. At the moment there is a hard drive, an arrow pointing to it and some circular arrows. I interpret this as storage, putting something on that storage and keeping in sync (up to date, maintained, etc.)
 

The current icon is a combination of two Core Services: Installer and Software Update (with the shadows removed). I've always interpreted the icon as an amalgamation of those exact services.

I like the "container of apps" motif. Makes sense in this age of ssd's to not picture an actual hard disk plus MSC has a bigger focus on presenting apps than MSU did. I also like the circular arrows. Other than putting those two elements in a Yosemite style design, what is missing?

Probably nothing although I do have another idea for Chris' icon.

On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 5:30:58 PM UTC-5, Bart Reardon wrote:> but I don't think they need to be flatter, Yosemite doesn't mean flat(or circle, or any other one style/shape)

 

My only impetus for starting this discussion is that I feel MSC has evolved away from being a systems admin utility that users are forced to deal with

I think MSU was perfectly fine for users as long as they were trained on what "optional_installs" were, but the greatest thing about MSC is the default page view is now "optional_installs". 

to an application store that users should 'want' to use and the icon should reflect that. 

 

This is one of the reasons why I actually don't mind keeping the icon. Some users may hate this program and its icon, but once you roll out Munki 2, they will be pleasantly surprised. If you change the icon the discussion will become "I'm glad you got rid of that other tool" rather than "this tool is now awesome". From an IT perspective, I think positive upgrades are more beneficial to user happiness than introducing new programs, even if the program is secretly the same.

[Gregory Neagle]

On Jun 25, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Erik <eriknico...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 4:33:54 PM UTC-5, gregn...@mac.com wrote:

There is an image displayed in the MunkiStatus progress status window. It need not be the same as the application's icon. It seems to me it should be the _same_ as the application icon of Managed Software Center to reinforce the idea that these things are connected/related.

Not to veer off topic, but this is why I requested an enhancement to change the name - a normal user may get confused when MSC logs them out to run MSU.

Upon reflection, you are 100% correct. End-users shouldn't know or care about the underlying implementation choices; from their perspective they are interacting with a single tool.

[Erik]

Just to throw it out there, here is a version that is based on Yosemite, centered and minus the progress bar.

On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 8:05:22 PM UTC-5, gregn...@mac.com wrote:

On Jun 25, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Erik <eriknico...@gmail.com> wrote:

Upon reflection, you are 100% correct. End-users shouldn't know or care about the underlying implementation choices; from their perspective they are interacting with a single tool.

Great. :)

[Bart Reardon]

> This is one of the reasons why I actually don't mind keeping the icon. Some users may hate this program and its icon, but once you roll out Munki 2, they will be pleasantly surprised.

This is a good point. I don't think it's hate towards the program though but rather it not liking the frequency it pops up and asks you to do something. I "hate" the app store on my iPhone for the same reason but like the app store interface.

> The current icon is a combination of two Core Services: Installer and Software Update (with the shadows removed). I've always interpreted the icon as an amalgamation of those exact services.

shows how long it's been since I've seen the software update icon. This makes sense that the icon is then similar to the service provided by Apple, software update + installer. As a user you would always see software update so MSU using the same elements to present a similar icon made sense (easy to infer it's behaviour based on similarities to the Apple services). Now that software update is part of the app store then perhaps all the more reason to maintain the MSC/App Store/Software Update connection when the icon pops up on the dock.  

> I prefer the color scheme of yours, while I prefer the overall concept of Chris' icon. His icon is very similar to Apple Configurator (although that has no relevancy to a standard user).

I like Chris's concept as well. The colours are literally the light and dark blue of the software update arrows applied as a gradient (if you are referring to the second lot I put up. The first one was just a default blue gradient I had in pixelmator)

[Bart Reardon]

looks like we're on a theme here....this is the one I made just before my previous reply (before you posted this)

[Gregory Neagle]

In both the Mavericks and the Yosemite App Store icon the the App Store "A" has a sort of "embossed" look to it. Here's the Mavericks version:

The Yosemite version is more simplified and less busy, but retains the "embossing". (I leave it to people who have Yosemite installed somewhere to look at the actual icon) The shiny "gloss" of Mavericks (and earlier) icons has been removed.

Anybody want to do a version with this element  (or something similar) as a central element?

-Greg

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[Bart Reardon]

concept (do you have a bigger version of the MyStuffTemplate.png?)

Not embossed but to give you an idea

[Gregory Neagle]

I like. (And no, I don't have a bigger version.)

-Greg

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[Bart Reardon]

that's cool.

embossed "A". pixelmator file that I used is here if others want to tweak it https://www.dropbox.com/s/ho236iz18vy87ie/munki2%20icon.pxm - sorry, no photoshop version

[Erik]

I figured out the embossed look from the Yosemite icon. I'm not sold on the other things I did though.

[Erik]

Damnit, I didn't see the icon you posted.

Do you know what that icon is from?

[Bart Reardon]

the A in a bucket icon? Haven't seen it outside Greg's post. It looked pretty simple to replicate though so I did (trapezoid with a handle cut out of it)

How did you do the embossed look? I've been playing with inner shadows, masks etc but can' get it to look right (I no longer have photoshop)

[Erik]

On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 11:16:34 PM UTC-5, Bart Reardon wrote:

the A in a bucket icon? Haven't seen it outside Greg's post. It looked pretty simple to replicate though so I did (trapezoid with a handle cut out of it)

You're right - I just recreated it completely using something from Core Services.
 

How did you do the embossed look? I've been playing with inner shadows, masks etc but can' get it to look right (I no longer have photoshop)

It's actually a drop shadow, but I used Photoshop as I couldn't get it to work right in Pixelmator.

[Gregory Neagle]

It's more than a drop shadow; there's a highlight on the top edges and a shadow on the bottom edges:

[Erik]

Yeah that's right. All of the work I did started merging together.

Here's the best I can do.

[Bart Reardon]

Tried to match the emboss on the app bucket. Not sure I got it to work.

[MiqViq]

My suggestion for MSC icon.

This is not yet finalized, I have to find a sharper version of that white-ish Apps-symbol.

And maybe all items should be colored and outlined the same way as Apps-symbol?

- MiqViq

[Matthias Choules]

[Gregory Neagle]

It's an icon in Managed Software Center (and has been there for a while). Is it confusing in that context?

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[Matthias Choules]

I haven't had a look at MSC yet, but this icon reminds me of my first reaction to Apple's icon for "Swift": A nice little bird - seconds before crashing to the ground.

It might have totally different effect if the "A" would be rotated 90 degrees counterclockwise.

"Reading" from left to right it would look like we are getting the application out of the box.

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[Gregory Neagle]

I'll wait until you've seen it in context.

-Greg

[MiqViq]

…and here is a more refined version of the round icon.

And another one with a different cubic, boxed style.

The round icon is based on Erik’s icon designs, I just changed and added some elements.

 

PSD-files are available if anyone is interested.

On cubic icon the content can be larger and that makes it more recognizable when viewing in small size.

Any votes?

- MiqViq

On 26.6.2014, at 18.02, MiqViq <miq...@gmail.com> wrote:

My suggestion for MSC icon.

This is not yet finalized, I have to find a sharper version of that white-ish Apps-symbol.

And maybe all items should be colored and outlined the same way as Apps-symbol?

- MiqViq

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[Gregory Neagle]

And now for something completely different. It avoids being yet another blue icon, and evokes the old MSU icon. It needs "embossing" and the line weights and proportions aren't right yet... but the basic idea is there.

[MiqViq]

Not bad at all, it seems like the next step in the evolution of MSC/MSU icons.

But don’t you think it needs something blue…;-P

- MiqViq

On 26.6.2014, at 23.28, Gregory Neagle <gregn...@mac.com> wrote:

> And now for something completely different. It avoids being yet another blue icon, and evokes the old MSU icon. It needs "embossing" and the line weights and proportions aren't right yet... but the basic idea is there.
>

> <MSC.png>

[Nate]

I like this icon a lot. It is a riff on the current icon, which would hopefully make sense to end users.

What would it look like in a myriad of different colors?

Nate

On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Gregory Neagle <gregn...@mac.com> wrote:

And now for something completely different. It avoids being yet another blue icon, and evokes the old MSU icon. It needs "embossing" and the line weights and proportions aren't right yet... but the basic idea is there.

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[MiqViq]

Greg, I think the screen in the middle is a little too wide.

Narrow it just a couple of nudges and you get a bit more room for arrows and such.

Something like this:

- MiqViq

On 26.6.2014, at 23.48, Nate <nate....@gmail.com> wrote:

I like this icon a lot. It is a riff on the current icon, which would hopefully make sense to end users.

What would it look like in a myriad of different colors?

Nate


On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Gregory Neagle <gregn...@mac.com> wrote:
And now for something completely different. It avoids being yet another blue icon, and evokes the old MSU icon. It needs "embossing" and the line weights and proportions aren't right yet... but the basic idea is there.

<MSC.png>

[Nate]

The real question is whether the screen is 16:9 or not ;)

[MiqViq]

Gosh, we have to make it so that MSC will rebuild the icon on the fly and displays the actual computer model in that icon.
That way the end user will understand that the app is really meant to update this specific device…

- MiqViq

On 27.6.2014, at 0.06, Nate <nate....@gmail.com> wrote:

> The real question is whether the screen is 16:9 or not ;)
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> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 2:05 PM, MiqViq <miq...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Greg, I think the screen in the middle is a little too wide.
> Narrow it just a couple of nudges and you get a bit more room for arrows and such.
>
> Something like this:

> <MSC_fixed.png>

[Bart Reardon]

Ditto. 

As to colours, App Store is blue, iBooks is orange, iTunes is (will be) red etc. Would be nice to avoid blending with any of those without looking garish (yellow, green, purple or a combination thereof) unless you also avoid a circle icon. Only way to know what looks good is to try it I suppose. 

Or no colour at all. To me the grey does look good. 

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On 27 Jun 2014, at 6:48, Nate <nate....@gmail.com> wrote:

I like this icon a lot. It is a riff on the current icon, which would hopefully make sense to end users.

What would it look like in a myriad of different colors?

Nate

On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Gregory Neagle <gregn...@mac.com> wrote:

And now for something completely different. It avoids being yet another blue icon, and evokes the old MSU icon. It needs "embossing" and the line weights and proportions aren't right yet... but the basic idea is there.

<MSC.png>

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[Gregory Neagle]

Neither my or MiqViq's versions are 16:9 or 16:10.  MiqViq's is closer, though.

Ideally, yes, we'd want the correct aspect ratio for the iMac screen, etc.

I figured an iMac icon would the most 'iconic'; nothing else would be as distinctive. If a MacBook Air user is confused by the depiction of the computer, I'm not sure what to say.

-Greg

On Jun 26, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Nate <nate....@gmail.com> wrote:

The real question is whether the screen is 16:9 or not ;)

On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 2:05 PM, MiqViq <miq...@gmail.com> wrote:

Greg, I think the screen in the middle is a little too wide.

Narrow it just a couple of nudges and you get a bit more room for arrows and such.

Something like this:

<MSC_fixed.png>

- MiqViq

On 26.6.2014, at 23.48, Nate <nate....@gmail.com> wrote:

I like this icon a lot. It is a riff on the current icon, which would hopefully make sense to end users.

What would it look like in a myriad of different colors?

Nate


On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Gregory Neagle <gregn...@mac.com> wrote:
And now for something completely different. It avoids being yet another blue icon, and evokes the old MSU icon. It needs "embossing" and the line weights and proportions aren't right yet... but the basic idea is there.

<MSC.png>

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[Christopher Grande]

Wow things have really been moving in this thread! 

The icon I did was before Yosemite was even previewed so I was going off the idea of the App Store and merging some of the icons from MSC itself. Purple was because it's a color that I don't see that often in any dock and it looked unique. As far as color goes I've been working on a Yosemite version that's green (attached) - but I do like the idea of a black and white one - the circling arrows always invoked sync to me.

The different version for MunkiStatus was just because I got bored one night, however after thinking about it having the same icon as MSC would reinforce it as an extension of MSC.

[Gregory Neagle]

On Jun 26, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Christopher Grande <cgr...@mxcc.commnet.edu> wrote:

the circling arrows always invoked sync to me.

Has it really been so long that everyone has forgotten Apple Software Update?

[Christopher Grande]

I hadn't forgotten it, no - it invoked sync to me back then too.

[Christopher Grande]

Another take on it.

[Bart Reardon]

That software update icon is solo 2011. 10.7 and older are dead to me. (aka...yes, it's been a while and I forgot)

So far I'm liking two icons. The version using the MSC my-items icon and the first version of Greg's iMac one. My comments at this stage are to perhaps go for a monochrome icon like Greg's but to keep things simple.

Also ,I think I worked out the embossing in pixelmator, so here's a version of the my-items icon in a monochrome circle. I don't have the assets for the iMac + arrows icon though so can't do that (pixelmator is good but its area select tool needs a lot of work)

[Erik]

There's too many good looking icons here.

Bart: Look in CoreServices!

[MiqViq]

And one more addition to already too many icons…

This is a combined mock-up of suggestions from Erik, Bart and Greg - and me.

I think that this contains all the same elements that are found in MSC GUI.

(Keen eyes notice huge imperfections, I did not have the container in vector format)

Notice that I raised the Apps-Icon so that the sharp end of the pencil can be seen, at least one tool should be recognizable now…

My vote goes to the greyish color scheme, it is not used so much with other major apps, I guess.

- MiqViq

On 27.6.2014, at 8.26, Erik <eriknico...@gmail.com> wrote:

There's too many good looking icons here. 

Bart: Look in CoreServices!

[nbalonso]

I also would like to see a new icon on the new release but I'm finding difficult to follow up the conversation in Google groups.

My design skills are not good, so to contribute I've put together all the current proposals in a mini-poll.

The link is https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1CCTlIz0rAe-sFCfWWNJzVupbuM5-g3RD-GYcL2Lnvb4/viewform

Noel

[Nate]

Make a blind test. Leave the names out in my opinion ;)

Nate

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[Gregory Neagle]

Great! (As long as you all realize this isn't a democracy and my vote counts for more...)

-Greg

[nbalonso]

I realise that. That is why I said mini-poll and not choose or vote :)

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Noel

[Bart Reardon]

I'd even argue that the first half dozen or so are irrelevant (as is usually the case when starting off on these endeavours), however seeing them all there in one list shows a nice evolution.

[Bart Reardon]

that reminds me...I was going to do an embossed version of Gregs

[Erik]

Two votes?

[nate....@gmail.com]

Greg gets an infinite number of votes I believe. 

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Erik <eriknico...@gmail.com> wrote:

Two votes?

[Bart Reardon]

It let me :)

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[Bart Reardon]

Re-created these from scratch (yay, photoshop trial)

This was after reading this article http://martiancraft.com/blog/2014/07/inspecting-yosemite-icons/ and thinking I could do this better...so, two more circle and two "square" (actually slightly squished) in not-monochrome.

I promise I'll stop now (in other news, I'm also re-doing all the icons I've ever done...as a learning exercise this experience has been invaluable, even if the MSC icon never changes anyway). If anyone wants the PSD and EPS assets I'll pop them up on dropbox and post the link.

Bart

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It let me :)

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[nbalonso]

Well, icon 11 is what most people like.
 
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1CCTlIz0rAe-sFCfWWNJzVupbuM5-g3RD-GYcL2Lnvb4/viewanalytics

This false sense of democracy reminds me of home :)

[MiqViq]

Has Greg made a decision on the icon for Munki2?

That old icon is getting really old and weary...

- MiqViq

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[Gregory Neagle]

Have you looked at the latest builds?

-Greg

[Erik]

Did you forget the symlink or purposely left it as the old icon?

[Gregory Neagle]

Symlinks don't have icons. 

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[MiqViq]

Now I have seen the new MSC logo, reminds me of salmiakki candy pill (a sort of salty liquorice favoured in Nordic countries, especially in Finland).
Me likes.

- MiqViq

[Erik]

Well the icon didn't update.

See this: http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/110247/wrong-icon-of-unix-symbolic-link-in-finder

[Gregory Neagle]

Do you have a proposal/suggestion/idea? This doesn't actually seem to be much of a problem; either the Finder will update the icon eventually or it won't. (Did you try double-clicking the icon to launch the app? Did the icon change?) Or looking at it another way, there's not much I can do about it. (My machine's symlink shows the new icon in the Finder...)

The entire reason the symlink exists is to help people used to the old location and name to find Managed Software Center. One might say it holding on to the previous icon actually helps in that regard.

Of course I'd expect that for machines upgrading from Munki 1.x to 2.0.0.2155 or later will have a symlink with the new icon regardless, since it will have never pointed to an item with the old icon.

-Greg

[Erik]

On Monday, August 18, 2014 12:31:22 AM UTC-5, gregn...@mac.com wrote:

Do you have a proposal/suggestion/idea?

Possibly rebuilding the LaunchServices or at least removing the original symlink.
 

This doesn't actually seem to be much of a problem; either the Finder will update the icon eventually or it won't.

 

(Did you try double-clicking the icon to launch the app? Did the icon change?)

Yes - no. Rebuilding fixed the issue for me.
 

Or looking at it another way, there's not much I can do about it. (My machine's symlink shows the new icon in the Finder...)

Well, perhaps we could delete the original symlink if it already exists and at least recreate it.

The entire reason the symlink exists is to help people used to the old location and name to find Managed Software Center. One might say it holding on to the previous icon actually helps in that regard.

I might be inclined to agree.

Of course I'd expect that for machines upgrading from Munki 1.x to 2.0.0.2155 or later will have a symlink with the new icon regardless, since it will have never pointed to an item with the old icon.

Agreed, although it would be nice for early adopters to function similarly to ones who don't.

[Gregory Neagle]

I'm probably going to elect to do nothing about this. This can only be a possible issue for machines upgrading from 2.0.0.x where x < 2155 to 2.0.0.y where y >= 2155.

-Greg

[Erik]

Bart, can you send me either the PSD or PXM file for the new icon?

[Gregory Neagle]

I've modified it since Bart's work...

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[Erik]

Would you be willing to send it?

[Gregory Neagle]

Sure, but it won't be tonight.

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[Erik]

As much as I'd like to be impatient, I won't.

Thanks!

[Bart Reardon]

Ditto if it's ok.

Erik, I can send a psd of what I sent Greg but it's sans tweaks.