Big Brother

[archytas]

Our governments apparently get a mirror image of internet traffic and say they need the information for all kinds of righteous reasons.  Despite all the trawling and software analysis they seem to miss terrorists with hideous websites and prosecute harmless individuals twittering they will burn down Robin Hood Airport (meant as an expression of young love in times of the wrong snow).

In the Robin Hood Airport case, the young man was arrested at work, found guilty in two courts and only reprieved on appeal.  He was completely innocent and only idiots would think he had any intention to burn the airport or even cause offence.  So there must be many idiots in our official systems.  These systems clearly prefer to prosecute a young man over a harmless joke than deal with perverts exploiting young kids.  

What do we think the issues are on Big Brother surveillance?  I'd be a lot less concerned if we lived in a world of reasonable, tolerant people, politicians, cops, social workers, judges and so on we could trust.  Google and the rest are also intruding into our lives. 

[Gabby]

That's totally understandable that trust is demanded in the context of Big Brotherhood. Just how this juxtaposes the practice of our official system's idiots is not clear to me. Never mind. Generally I find the Google et al. algorithm a good alternative to the various truths the good people mentioned want to sell to me. Mirror image improvements on all levels. :)

[archytas]

Me too - with some reservation concerning what the algos are selling and stealing from us.  'The Interview' seems a case of the new sales pitch recommendation of the FBI and CIA of radical humour.

[allan...@gmail.com]

You believe the internet?

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لا القتل، والاغتصاب أو استعباد الآخرين
Do not murder,  rape or enslave others

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[archytas]

I'm not sure what is on the internet.  There's this blur-of-lucid-trivia about as useful to me as mobile phone porn, Angry Birds and newsroom frocks.  One hopes a real message in a bottle might float by in the interference, like hoping the woman who has taken you to a German opera might be good company over dinner, or for the CIA to leave a laptop full of what its really up to on a train full of Green protesters with media contacts.

The insanestream of presstitution has had it, so one has to hope for something to believe.  Better the internet than the next fascist ideologue, maybe.

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[gabbydott]

Like everywhere else, the message comes in the shape| form| medium you are prepared to take it in.
Being the "insanestream of presstitution" is the Pegida protesters' self legitimation, yes. It is not naturally linked to the colour green, it is open to all sorts of projections. Embrace the paradox, is how our Mutti deals with it.

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[allan...@gmail.com]

Okay  time for a barn storming session Neil.. the real question is how do we create an alternative society to the big brother's 1984 we are in now?

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[gabbydott]

That's your topic, isn't it? A world full of friends and buddies and followers! First of all I suggest you updated your reality to 2015 Christian counting soon to come...

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[archytas]

Give us a break Gabbs.  When Allan and I leave Trumpton we drop the chummy act and go all Royston Vasey.  Are you pressing the wrong keys on the Enigma machine?  We are getting the riddles BB is supposed to read here.  Mrs Cobbit is getting worried you are sending uncoded material to the enemy, getting  "Pugh, Pugh, Barney McGrew, Cuthbert, Dibble, and Grub" into trouble with the Elf and Safety Nomes.  Mrs Lovelace will be sending you a new hat at this rate.

Alles klar?

Just watched the chairman of the Royal Society say, for an hour, that the answer to disbelief on global warming amongst the public would be sorted if the nasty newspapers stopped using argument not from peer reviewed journals and had rational debate.  I mean there's a new way forward!  The only way out of Trumpton is to know you are in Toy Town and why the elephants have Big Ears (Noddy won't pay the ransom).  The chums have being putting rational, evidence based debate forward as the answer through centuries of failure.  This is what Gabby has been trying to tell us, though some of the keys have dropped off my enigma - Jerry-built no doubt.

Lord knows what the Xtians have in mind for 2015 Gabby - I thought you undercover as an insider on that one?

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[allan...@gmail.com]

I am not a christian Gabby.
It is just a topic Gabby, not an assault on your beliefs coming soon in 2015.

And what i do not understand is your sensitivity at looking or examination of ways to create a better world.

[gabbydott]

Reminds me of Vam and how he felt good that he gave me 24 hours to defriend myself from his Facebook profile before he would have to do it for me. I had made the public suggestion that his son should take care of the partner finding business himself, if it was causing so much trouble for Vam. I did not take his defriending me personal.

So we are back to Gabbs. Alles klar. The moderation and ban keys have been pressed on me, so that doesn't intimidate me. I don't have a buddy network here, that's right, the playground image fits better, yes.

What I'd like to know from you is, what makes you think I am writing riddles to a machine, when all I do is learning not to address anyone or anything directly for this is considered against the habits?

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[allan...@gmail.com]

You're a sad case Gabby ¿why are you so bitter?

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[gabbydott]

Because I have eaten the apple core too. Hahaha.

[archytas]

Decrypting you seems impossible Gabby, though as I'm relying on fiction we can assume I'm not trying.  I rather like what I think I know of you, though I have no algo to fix probability to this kind of reality in my virtual world of dark illuminated by consciousness' torch.  And I rather like the idea of us tapping out riddles as freedom fighters on machines stolen from time's excesses in a world needing small secrets between those of us who would put up banal protest against those of today.  One can go breathless reading either of us.  Chum is trailed from shark boats.  You have at least one friend here, plus Zak who likes everyone and Max who has been pining since my daughter returned to Israel.  I cannot grant you the honour of defriending you on Facebook as there are things I have promised myself I will never know how to do.  Anyway, you once called Vam 'Vammy' and tagged me as a rabbit in one of Berlin's most ugly buildings - strangely there is a replica of the architecture viewable from my favourite pub - so I can hardly other than be here for you.  Sorry to be so shrill my dear, I'm just a rather vulnerable and harmless old duffer. 

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[allan...@gmail.com]

Was the apple core ¿rotten?

[archytas]

Now then Al - everyone knows Snow White's apple was poisoned by the agents of a Netherlander silversmith with a grudge against Red Riding Hood's grandmother, and she's only sleeping waiting to turn a handsome Englishman into a Frog.  Molly saves the day by embracing the paradox and Disney makes the new film using clips from the cutting room floor, starring one of Tony's sculptures they mistake for George Clooney finally falling back to Earth from Gravity. The ants are not impressed when Tony refuses to toss the apple core into the Garden of Eden on the grounds of its contamination and has it responsibly destroyed in an incinerator.  A passing drunken Scotsman informs Gabby Biblical stories are unreliable and not to listen to the advice of talking snakes on the efficacious nature of apple cores not yet turned into cider, thus learning the German for some very crude French.  No one actually got to eat the apple core and only several Englishmen died in the resuscitation scene. 

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[allan...@gmail.com]

Oh my gosh... are you saying she turn our friend Pat into a frog?   Is that why no one can find him including the Netherlander?

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[facilitator]

Artists are mostly to blame.  They give us images that are scarcely accurate and so we have snakes instead of serpents and Apples instead of forbidden fruit.  Also we gave them navels when they were sans umbilical.  Should be un-biblical chords.  I wouldn't have expected much from two teenagers running around paradise naked.

[archytas]

I'm protected myself by the Garlic, as we Scots say Gaelic, proudly, though none of us can be bothered speaking the stuff.  Pat relied on Kung Fu chop-sticks and probably lacked the Scottish granny's advice on Snow White and Seven-Up, vital in understanding the unexplored continent.  It's all been code since that talking snake.

Blaming artists has a certain political correctness about it Tony.  They could paint themselves in order to truly decorate lamp-posts for the masses when the time comes.  A practical auto da fe thingy.  You could whip up a couple of donkeys to represent wisdom and ignorance looking on.  Resistance will be hopeless, as Gabbs might issue in a fit of optimism.

One suspects a playful and searing intellect that will smile when I say 'I'm usually wrong'.  When one lives in a joke society there can be some solace in joking.

Sitting here feeding the dogs toast-corners before their main walk (shss!) in dazzling winter sun, the term 'serpent' makes me think of the drive belt on my old Citroen ZX.  This had to come off, for no known reason, in basic servicing, and putting it back equated to a wrestle for one's life with an anaconda in darkest Brazil.  I believed this was part of French revenge for Waterloo, fitted only to right-hand drive models sold to Britain, until my old mate Durand emerged from under his model with skinned hands, threatening to have the machine executed with the designers in it.  By then, I could fit one in two minutes whilst smoking a cigarette and couldn't resist showing off with a borrowed Disc Bleu.  All the thanks I got amounted to being told my mechanical ability made me look suspiciously German.

Didn't the Romans invent Xtianity?  Infecting the other side's infantry with the 'turn the other cheek manoeuvre' is as cunning as British and American foreign aid and free trade as a cover for drug trading and investment through dollar counterfeiting.  Those still adherents of the talking serpent should be calling themselves Flavians.  It's all donkeys to me in religious symbolism.  In radical thinking, one might wonder whether Spinoza got it all wrong in a secular design for religious freedom and that the problem is - er - religion.  The question might be about how much Big Brother (I don't like this term - mine is great) one has to converse with both internally (in Molly's sense) and in what pass as attempts at mutual understanding.  This is the basis of heresy and involves the extent to which we are already enslaved by BB like ants under the spell of a brood parasite.

Think of the phrase 'the freedom I offer' here - how could we know this is not just the first pheromone of future enslavement of 'free thinking individuals just like me'?  I take much Gabby says as the sting of this Socratean Gadfly. Some want to be able to judge argument on the credibility of its author.  I can only say one is well under the drug of manners at such point.  Credibility is conflated with credulity, Gabby with grump (honestly not here - though I expect sophisticated consideration of "honestly").Neil with rudeness and various other censorship mechanisms poked in fun or otherwise.  Do we rally want to be the sort of people who sit babbling virtue ethics preceded and followed by thousands of years of slavery?  To be gawps at Nuremberg, Pregida, UKIP or various US neo-con rallies offering the freedom of fascism?  To be the chattering class bearing witness?

We should at least be able to think and explore whether Big Brother has his memetic pheromones into our argument space.  I can probably write an episode of Dr Who on this and can see one of Facil's sculptures - perhaps a room marked 'free speech and mutual understanding' linked by pipework to a canister of 'anti-truth gas'.

The scientist can easily say to the holy man that he has wasted his life on fantasy.  You can be assured when I speak as a scientist I think I wasted my life on that too ...

[facilitator]

Fantasy seems like a worthwhile valid pursuit, it has generated billions for hollywood while NASA goes broke.

The Romans had all of the statues in place so why not give them the names of saints.   I have no problem at all with x trianity. It's its adherents I find lacking.  I can say that since I am an adherent.

Toe Knee

[archytas]

Always had you down as a sticky character Tony.  I really don't care what religion anyone is glued to.  One could take the view I hate them all equally, but human goodness actually seems to triumph in other ways that matter.  Ideas of reciprocity, tolerance and hospitality work rather well on me.  A few glimmers of them is usually enough.  When I get particularly holy as an atheist the exit strategy has to be humour.

Not much fantasy left in Hollywood in my view.  They never seem to pay much tax on the billions either.  Nasa will be dismissed as pure fantasy soon, just as its satellites confirm global warming ...