Papal pabulum

[facilitator]

ABOARD THE PAPAL PLANE (Reuters) - Pope Francis, speaking of last week's deadly attacks by Islamist militants in Paris, has defended freedom of expression, but said it was wrong to provoke others by insulting their religion and that one could "expect" a reaction to such abuse.

So the leader of the worlds largest Christian cult makes it clear he sides with the Extremists and not freedom.  I sort of expected this response.

[archytas]

Father Ted ridiculed the Vatican and was much funnier than Hebdo.  Pope Town tried, but was very poor.  These holier-than-thou wuckers are probably all in the same Masonic lodge.  The Pope would have us not able to take the piss out of Nazis.  Given the collaboration in the past with Hitler, should we expect better now?  I am not keen on worship with people we can't even trust our kids with

Amazing we trust these stories of miracle workers hundreds and thousands of years ago when we have sod all idea on what happened 50 years ago or yesterday in many cases.

[Gabby]

May I ask why you chose this screen-name? I see it in stark contrast to the demonstrated attitude of: hey, if a Pope is not a polarizing extremist, he got the job description wrong!

[facilitator]

I am OK with "polarizing extremism" as long as it is on the side of rationality.

[allan...@gmail.com]

Tony that is a dangerous position to take.. I was called up infrontbof a church tribunal for being an extremist. . After questioning and deliberation they reached the conclusion I was so down the center of the road that I only appeared to be an extremist.  When I why they replied because no one is there.

تجنب. القتل والاغتصاب واستعباد الآخرين
Évitez; assassiner, le viol et l'esclavage des autres
Avoid; murder, rape and enslavement of others

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[gabbydott]

I believe you do. Why not allow the same for the Pope?

Am Freitag, 16. Januar 2015 schrieb 'facilitator' via "Minds Eye" :

I am OK with "polarizing extremism" as long as it is on the side of rationality.

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[facilitator]

He doesn't need my approval.  I offer my dissent as a pillar against his proclivity to  acquiesce.

[archytas]

Laughing my holy roman ass off at Allan's defeat of the Inquisition.  That'll be enough 'proclivities' in here Facilitator!  Gabby, of course, rubs everyone but me up the wrong way.  What a blessing it is to be the only one who doesn't understand her!  Middle of the road vacuity is the new third way and I'm full of it.  As long as there is nothing there we will be OK.Throw up the sculpture of that for us Facil.

How dare you use the SN 'Facilitator' Tony - she cries.  And then go and be directive, she weeps.  But this is all German opera about breast-plated heroines buried under an acorn storm symbolising the debate on whether Heidegger was a Nazi and what Hannah Arendt was doing giving him one and I was born in the wrong generation kind of thingy, from the educationalist perspective of one who has not worked out she is a baby-sitter speaking all languages except the vital gag-ga-goo-goo.  All is explained at the end when an acorn bursts forth from an elephant's ass and we learn how they climb oak trees.  By then the audience has died from ominous music.  That's the end of part one.  At the beginning of Part Two, Allan rises from the dead audience with his shield of innocence ....

I always preferred the term catalyst to facilitator.  Tony has that skill.  Facilitator can be left to those sneaky educationalists and social workers pretending to let others generally seen as punters under another set of lying politesse (client, customer, pupil, victim, student ...) make their own decisions.  Tony, obviously a good egg, is the first person calling himself a facilitator I've had implicit trust for in 40 years.  Indeed, he may be so good, that he has, as The Facilitator (and hence only) wrapped up all the shady postulators and tipped them away with the Rary fish.  A Rary fish keeps growing bigger and bigger until you have to tip it into the sea.  As it fall from the cliff it sings, 'It's a long way to tip a Rary'.

Catalysts are mindless and more honest manipulators.  Damn joke doesn't work Tony.  I was building to 'so Tony is suited on both counts'.  Seriously though, viewed from constructor theory, catalysts are cool.  So what is a label Gabbs?  What are words?  They promised the rest would be silence at the end of Hamlet and then Wagner came along with all them drums and trumpets.  Wittgenstein summarised it all in the Tractatus, a poem so cunning everyone was deceived in to thinking it logical, consigning as it did the rest (as everything important) to silence.  And this is why I know every time Gabby speaks, she should shut up ... a matter of deep concern one of those acorns might sprout in her mouth rather than an elephant's arse.  You see, in Kierkegaard, you have to wait for the punchline and remember the seeded shaggy-dog planted in memory.  Otherwise you miss the anti-fascist message and whole philosophy entirely.  Much the same with Gabby.  And on sarcasm, we are missing it has had little effect since Greek comedy and far more sophisticated argument is involved than caricature - caricature always risks being part of fascist slogan and the exploitation of mass forgetting.

This said, I have a supply of acorns Tony can gift to the Pope for personal use as a magic bean cure for haemorrhoids.  There is no free expression. 

[archytas]

Who came up with 'polarise the extremist' - now that has the ring of terror.  Sign them up for our new Pegglegga guard Gabbs. a few volts from whatever does the polarising will soon have them all hopping mad and in condition to encourage the setting on fire of the English Channel with their UKIP mates.

[facilitator]

Thanks for my daily chuckle Neil!  

As far as choosing my "screen name",  I like to work with my hands.  Basically, the same answer I would give if someone asked me: "Do you walk to school  or do you bring your lunch".

So now I here the Vat-Again saying the Wholly Father was not advocating violence but rather emphasizing we should just shut the phuck up when it comes to "sacred" things.  That's paramount to saying we never had Iron Maidens in the basement.

[archytas]

Facilitation was all the rage in the management development game when I could stomach taking fees from it.  I'd first seen it in social work texts where it meant 'brainwash the simple blighters into thinking they came up with your solution'.  We actually set out to write learning programmes in which we accredited prior and other experiential learning - but we couldn't find academics prepared 'not to teach it' and 'death by powerpoint' was much cheaper and simplistic.  I gave up eventually, though tried the 'theatre of the oppressed' ... think Gabby is a genuine practitioner of similar (yoof version), but with that British reserve one doesn't pry.

Yep - one has to admire the Vatican's contribution to heavy metal.  Descartes, writing to a mate, said something in explanation of not publishing his Le Monde (we might call this 'The Amazing Physics of Johnny Fart-pants' now).  It ran something like 'I can't risk it.  Look what theyve done to Galileo and imagine what they'd do to me, a Frenchman'.  Not new this stuff, is it. 

I'd want to get the line 'Holy acorns Vatican Man' into my script.  There's a magic book 'Memoirs of a Gnostic Dwarf' - the guy's job is sorting out the catamite Pope;s piles - that I used in Bahrain to explain Western satire to a small group who let me party with them on their boat.  These guys had similar stories on he who must not be subject of pencil etching.

[Gabby]

He is advocating what you practice in the US. No hate speech, no hate images. Love thyself and the others will love you. 

[archytas]

You know Gabby, I have never seen you and Molly in the same place together ....

[facilitator]

Using the term "Hate speech" is the beginning of the "Final Solution".  I am not sure where the term "Love thyself" came from but I am sure someone with a degree in psycho-ology came up with it.  There is a quote however from someone in the first century: "Love is not easily offended". The onus is not on the one who excursus their right(s) but rather on the one with a nervous trigger finger.

As an artist I would like too see the "select" decide for the masses what a "Hate Image" looks like.

I can tell you with absolute certainty that a person with a strong faith is unmoved by derogatory inferences.

[archytas]

There is a certain 'scratch a liberal find a bigot' involved in this.  My theory, held in a 'for what its worth' perspective, is that the vast majority of what flows in front of us as human activity is "supplication", already a mannered submission to power.  Spontaneity is largely killed off, though one has to see there are good and bad aspects of this.  Lynch mobs and chucked spears over comments made about mothers, prophets and various bits of domestic thuggery are generally not good.  Yet armed as a gunslinging cop, I could have saved a lot of future victims - though as with everything, summary justice has problems.  I'd like to think I'd have been really good at it, but also know nearly all of it turns to martial law in support of corrupt war lords, bandits and governments.

Nearly all literature is supplication in my view, submitted to the violence of audiences fixated with trivia and tranced by propaganda.  Comedy is already supplication in the sense violence is already suppressing its truth to 'I'm only joking'.  This is before we consider what makes money.  Art has these problems - under my management we'll soon have Tony whipping out cute cats, tearful children and green ladies.  In public, of course, I will have replaced him with a Tom Cruise look-a-like wearing Perry Anderson dresses and press rumours he is screwing his way through BBC weather women.  Andrew and Allan will be given Eastern European accents, berets and trained in tarot and guru-babble by Gabby, our dark Germanic lady citing Ayn Rand and Gandhi in equal measure with panting to be alone, or whatever Garbo said/  All of us will spend time at the feet of one of Vam's sages and alternate and highly publicised drying out sessions in the embrace of Molly's paradox sessions and RP's mountain retreat to get back in touch with the eternal.  We will pay tax in Rockall and register various shell companies in the British Virgin Islands  Bitcoin will turn out to be worthless (down 50% this month) and everywhere it once was will be found a signed copy of one of Tony's cats with a vanishing smile - the smile vanishes off the face of creditors to our businesses, which I have timed to go Chapter 11 on an annual basis and be taken over by our private equity fund for a second screwing of the pooch.

Oraganised (have you ever looked closely at management consultants?) development gave up on Gabbsie's (our public term of endearment to suggest gossip on the affection in which he hold the lady) "love trust" orientation in favour of bent accounting long before I discovered it's best to be holding the machine-gun in first contact situations with people you assume will do you no harm.  Now, who's going to arrange religious status for our organisation to ensure fir consideration of criticism before our followers make critics and endangered species?

[archytas]

It is, of course, Grayson Perry who wears the frocks.  I always make this mistake because I can't tell pottery from prose.

[gabbydott]

Using the term Hate Speech is already touching an American taboo and not only the act itself? That explains a lot...interesting. It is not the Love Thyself that I found particularily interesting but how it is being combined with the Other. I have been socialized in the "Love thyself AS ... the other..." tradition with both sides having to be equal all the time. The sequencing idea of the AND with the calculated result on the Other really shocked me in all its wrongness in the beginning here. It took me very long to get used to this logic and I am delighted to see how I was able to type this word combination without my fingers falling off afterwards. As for the Hate Image, here in Germany our democratically selected political representatives keep on deciding that the swastika still accounts as such. And I don't expect that decision to change soon, which is okay for me. 

[archytas]

Risk is involved in the model Gabby.  I really wouldn't want you to think I don't like you - this making me vulnerable to certain responses etc.  I wouldn't want to be as soppy and potentially patronising as to accord you my unconditional positive affirmation (though in a sense you have it).  We have to guess a lot.  Some might say your 'love' training failed - though if it did I might be saying 'thank goodness for that'.  

Habermas got a lot as stick as 'the Professor' for making a Reason so strong one could only follow it like a swastika, and Dawkins as 'the Cardinal' for being so religiously atheist.  It's easy enough to learn, say, the social model of disability and then make a fair living patronising disabled people (correct form 'people with disabilities) or letting your blind mate cross the road on his own and not pull him out of the way of a speeding truck for fear of offending the model.  Indeed, one can often find social models claimed by academics were in activist practice amongst ordinary folk long before someone turned them to copyright.  The blind guy silly enough to cross the road with me discovered this in the disability field.  He is now a university teacher, having been written off by former colleagues as better suited to basket-weaving.  They knew all the caring jargon and couldn't spot the brightest student we'd had for ten years.

Suggestions on 101 uses for dropped-off Gabby fingers to the Other please ...

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