Repainting the space weekend

[Henry Sands]

As discussed in a previous thread, a group of us are planning to finish the painting of the space from the 24th - 27th January, this will involve:-

* Disassembling the electronics area

* Moving Tesla

* Moving the social area

* Filling the middle of the space with all the moved stuff

* Cleaning down the walls

* Painting all the walls+ceiling white

* Painting all the trim/woodwork hackspace blue

Things we need:-

* People!

* Help!

* Lots of hands!

* Dust sheets

* Rollers/paint brushes

* Elbow grease

To my knowledge we still have lots of white wall paint left, though I'm sure another bucket wouldn't hurt.

The timetable we're hoping to work to is:-

24th Friday: Dismantle stuff, get everything off the walls to be painted, move everything that needs to be moved and start washing the walls

25th Saturday: Finish washing the walls and start Painting

26th Sunday: More painting, start to move things back where paint has dried

27th Monday: Finish moving things back

Whilst things are being moved, there is a possibility of moving the space around at the same time, this has been dabbled on and talked about in a few other threads.

The areas that have already been painted (Workshop, Classroom ect) should still be functional so there will be space to hack.

[Sarah Simmonds]

So where do I sign up? Do I need to bring my own paint brush?

[Benjamin Blundell]

I guess replying to this thread is enough. I shall be there. Paint brushes, we have a few but we’ll need more. Could do with a couple more rollers as well. We have enough trays. We need the scaffolding again as well which was mentioned by another chap in the first thread. That means collection (which I can sort if we can get a van / zip van - the latter I can do). 

A Leyland Run wouldn’t go amiss here before-hand. Brushes and rollers at a minimum, White paint possibly.

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[Lynz]

I'll definitely be there on the Saturday and Sunday, and I might also be able to make the Friday after work. I can bring along a paint brush and roller :)

[Simon]

I will be around to wield a roller.
Am hapoy to work on top of the scaffold tower as I did in the classroom.

we also need proper drop sheets that are absorbant and not just tarpaulins

[Tim Brennan]

Hoping to make it

[Jordan Scudder]

I'll be there Saturday & Sunday to help.

[Guru Revol]

I'd like to join your group and being useful might be a good start. Nice to meet you all. I've just spent my holidays totally alone and I'm feeling an enormous need to do something. Don't you have something to do for me in hackspace like this weekend?

On Monday, December 30, 2013 2:34:21 PM UTC, Henry Sands wrote:

[Jasper Wallace]

On Sat, 4 Jan 2014, Guru Revol wrote:

> I'd like to join your group and being useful might be a good start. Nice to meet you all. I've just spent my holidays
> totally alone and I'm feeling an enormous need to do something. Don't you have something to do for me in hackspace like
> this weekend?

It could always do with cleaning :)

sweeping the stairs to the basement would be a good start.

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[Alex Macklen]

Very happy to help, can't do the whole weekend though.

Can l do Friday evening, 6-10pm ish and Saturday morning.

Its a big place, how likely are we to finish this over the weekend.

[Lynz]

I reckon we can do it :-)

[Henry Sands]

We still need dust/paint sheets, if anyone has any I'd be extremely greatful

On Monday, 30 December 2013 14:34:21 UTC, Henry Sands wrote:

[Lynz]

I have some thin plastic dust sheets, but they won't soak up paint. I can still bring a couple if they'd be useful?

Just realised we haven't confirmed the areas we're painting (unless I missed it somewhere!) As far as I understand it the plan is to paint:

-the quiet room

-the main room on the groundfloor

-the three bathrooms (I'm guessing one or two on the Saturday and the remaining on the Sunday so there's accessible facilities!)

Does that sound right? 

I can also bring some white spirit if we need it to wash the brushes used to paint the blue trims (assuming it's oil based of course).

[Henry Sands]

I think in priority the main room and the ceiling, if we have time and effort to spare, then the quiet room

[Benjamin Blundell]

I would agree. I've spoken to paddy about the scaffolding briefly. That's key for the ceiling

[Aden]

The ceiling of the main room is a priority? who looks at the ceiling? I'd say paint everything else first.

[Henry Sands]

if we paint all the walls white and leaving the ceiling a lovely nicotine beige its going to really stand out

[Richard Patterson]

That's our "feature ceiling".

[Benjamin Blundell]

/facepalm

[Philip Roy]

Painting the ceiling white also makes the space easier to light, thus reducing the number of tubes needed and the electricity bills

Phrugal Phil

[Clare Greenhalgh]

Can't wait until someone decides it is time to change our lighting for us (obviously with stuff they have...).

Weren't you mentioning something about this Simon Klyne?

[Tim Brennan]

Can't wait until someone decides it is time to change our lighting for us

I couldn't agree with you more!

are their any plans for this?

[Philip Roy]

On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 21:03:44 -0000, Tim Brennan <timjame...@gmail.com> wrote:

Can't wait until someone decides it is time to change our lighting for us

I couldn't agree with you more!   are their any plans for this?

tl,dr

No plans as such, but Simon and I have been talking about LED lighting since we were at Cremer St. We did a few experiments there and have discussed it also at 447.  Perhaps time now for us all to look into it a bit further?  

 Change in this area gives an opportunity to look at better equipment, layout and control,  potentially saving both capital expenditure and ongoing energy costs.  

Here are a few ideas that came out of talking about lighting generally with various people over the last year or so.

* Replacement of existing fittings with modern lower consumption types including CFL and slimline tubes

* Direct replacement of tubes in existing fittings with LED equivalents

* Replacement of existing with commercial LED luminaires

* White LED strips (the sort that come on reels by the metre)  in custom made housings (uplighting and downlighting)

* RGB version of the custom fittings to provide "mood lighting" or other special effects

* Hanging fittings on chains where appropriate would bring the light closer and reduce the amount required

* Wall mounted uplighters to provide subdued light when appropriate 

* Better control of existing lighting by (for instance) more switches. The classroom is a good example of where this would improve things, nearly  a kilowatt of lighting with no means of having just one or two lamps when super bright light is not required.

* Individual fittings with Arduino, wireless shield and SSrelay  all controlled from an android (tm) tablet  fixed to the wall.  (by my reckoning, with a custom board this could be achieved for about 20 quid per fitting or less) Possibility also for control from IRC or even suitably enhanced mobile phones.

I am sure that there are many other ideas not mentioned above so....

Let the bikeshedding begin!

Phil ye Phlourescent

[Clare Greenhalgh]

This is what I heard from Simon and it sounds great.
I think he also said it should greatly reduce the amount of electricity we use, but I could be making that up.
Hurrah for the change!

[Philip Roy]

As this discussion has little to do with painting I have moved it to a new thread. OP is reproduced below.

tl,dr

No plans as such, but Simon and I have been talking about LED lighting since we were at Cremer St. We did a few experiments there and have discussed it also at 447.  Perhaps time now for us all to look into it a bit further?  

 Change in this area gives an opportunity to look at better equipment, layout and control,  potentially saving both capital expenditure and ongoing energy costs.  

Here are a few ideas that came out of talking about lighting generally with various people over the last year or so.

* Replacement of existing fittings with modern lower consumption types including CFL and slimline tubes

* Direct replacement of tubes in existing fittings with LED equivalents

* Replacement of existing with commercial LED luminaires

* White LED strips (the sort that come on reels by the metre)  in custom made housings (uplighting and downlighting)

* RGB version of the custom fittings to provide "mood lighting" or other special effects

* Hanging fittings on chains where appropriate would bring the light closer and reduce the amount required

* Wall mounted uplighters to provide subdued light when appropriate 

* Better control of existing lighting by (for instance) more switches. The classroom is a good example of where this would improve things, nearly  a kilowatt of lighting with no means of having just one or two lamps when super bright light is not required.

* Individual fittings with Arduino, wireless shield and SSrelay  all controlled from an android (tm) tablet  fixed to the wall.  (by my reckoning, with a custom board this could be achieved for about 20 quid per fitting or less) Possibility also for control from IRC or even suitably enhanced mobile phones.

I am sure that there are many other ideas not mentioned above so....

Let the bikeshedding begin!

Phil ye Phlourescent

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On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 6:50 AM, Philip Roy <cepm...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

On Mon, 06 Jan 2014 21:03:44 -0000, Tim Brennan <timjame...@gmail.com> wrote:

Can't wait until someone decides it is time to change our lighting for us

I couldn't agree with you more!   are their any plans for this?

tl,dr

No plans as such, but Simon and I have been talking about LED lighting since we were at Cremer St. We did a few experiments there and have discussed it also at 447.  Perhaps time now for us all to look into it a bit further?  

 Change in this area gives an opportunity to look at better equipment, layout and control,  potentially saving both capital expenditure and ongoing energy costs.  

Here are a few ideas that came out of talking about lighting generally with various people over the last year or so.

* Replacement of existing fittings with modern lower consumption types including CFL and slimline tubes

* Direct replacement of tubes in existing fittings with LED equivalents

* Replacement of existing with commercial LED luminaires

Every attempt I've seen to do this is ineffective. The manufacturers of LED solutions like to talk up the capability of the luminaires and compare them with older solutions, but they rarely live up to the hype. I think the main problem is that in order to get the brightness up, the illumination angle is made small. So you need lots of them.

For a domestic setting, where you often want subdued lighting and rooms are small, this is forgiveable. For an industrial setting where you generally want good lighting, it's hopeless. It would be better to think in terms of metal halide fixtures than LED.

 

* White LED strips (the sort that come on reels by the metre)  in custom made housings (uplighting and downlighting)

* RGB version of the custom fittings to provide "mood lighting" or other special effects

These are fine for subtle, subdued lighting. A bar, for instance. I can't think of anywhere in the hackspace where this is a primary use. Maybe occasionally in the sofa area.

 

* Hanging fittings on chains where appropriate would bring the light closer and reduce the amount required

Yes, this would help. As would localised task lighting so the overall lighting could be kept low and small areas lit effectively.

 

* Wall mounted uplighters to provide subdued light when appropriate 

Again, I see no point in subdued lighting. Uplighters are extremely wasteful, although they look attractive.

 

* Better control of existing lighting by (for instance) more switches. The classroom is a good example of where this would improve things, nearly  a kilowatt of lighting with no means of having just one or two lamps when super bright light is not required.

Possibly. I think the height of the ceiling is a problem - if you turn off half the striplights you'll just have poor quality light at the desks, not half the room lit well. It might work if combined with chains to lower the tubes.

 

* Individual fittings with Arduino, wireless shield and SSrelay  all controlled from an android (tm) tablet  fixed to the wall.  (by my reckoning, with a custom board this could be achieved for about 20 quid per fitting or less) Possibility also for control from IRC or even suitably enhanced mobile phones.

I am sure that there are many other ideas not mentioned above so....

Let the bikeshedding begin!

Phil ye Phlourescent

[Elliot West]

I've been experimenting with LED lighting and automation in my home for a few years so have decided to chip in! I'm keen to learn from the experience of others whose findings may be different to my own.

On 7 January 2014 08:53, Philip Roy <cepm...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

* Direct replacement of tubes in existing fittings with LED equivalents

I have found these types of bulb to be disappointing. Those at the cheaper end rarely have a desirable colour temperature or adequate output - additionally they can suffer from a limited lifetime. Even bulbs at the more expensive can be disappointing - for example, I have some expensive Philips bulbs that produce an undesirable audible buzzing rending them useless in the home. Fundamentally I feel uneasy about the extra complexity/expense/resources required when including a transformer and driver electronics in every single bulb - this feels wrong to me :)

* Replacement of existing with commercial LED luminaires

I have had some success with higher end LVDC fittings with integrated LEDs (not a separate bulb component). These had high output and great colour temperature that was consistent between fittings - they were £50 per luminaire.

* White LED strips (the sort that come on reels by the meter)  in custom made housings (uplighting and downlighting)

I have bought some expensive white tape from the UK that is super bright and has great colour consistency (£30/m). I've also bought a whole bunch of cheaper tape from China that was very disappointing - low output and very variable colour temperature along the length of the strip. Some of the cheaper tape has released a residue over time (flux perhaps?) requiring me to clean the housings.

Tape can provide some very creative lighting opportunities but to mount it professionally you'll need some housings/diffusers. If you buy this off-the shelf it can be expensive (£10/m).

* RGB version of the custom fittings to provide "mood lighting" or other special effects

Colour effects can be fun but don't expect a decent white light from this type of mood lighting. You may need to supplement with some good white lighting.

 

* Individual fittings with Arduino, wireless shield and SSrelay  all controlled from an android (tm) tablet  fixed to the wall.  (by my reckoning, with a custom board this could be achieved for about 20 quid per fitting or less) Possibility also for control from IRC or even suitably enhanced mobile phones.

The idea of computer/Internet controlled lighting is fairly exciting. I've installed a reputable mid-range lighting control system in my home expecting to have many hours geeking around with the system. The reality is that I just need the lighting to turn off and on reliably. Instead I find myself updating the firmware on my dimmer control packs, and occasionally debugging the system when I actually just want to turn a light on - this is frankly ridiculous. It's far quicker for me to walk over to a physical light switch than launch a control app on my phone.

In the case of the space it would perhaps be better to limit lighting control to non-essential fittings, using more tried and tested methods (a mechanical switch) for critical areas.

Phil ye Phlourescent

Summary of my experiences: LEDs can be a good lighting replacement but great care is needed to identify quality components. The cheaper stuff is usually lacking, the quality stuff is usually fairly expensive. Don't go nuts with lighting automation - the simplicity of a mechanical switch is its killer feature.

Cheers - Elliot.

[rob farr]

I'd be interested in getting involved if i can, i work for a workshop that restores and manufactures lights and i design my own prototypes at home. 

Sounds like could be fun to help improve the lighting in the space. Not sure how much time in total i can donate but we can have a chat

Rob

[Henry Sands]

After looking around with Jasper and Paddy, it turns out that we might not have any paint at all, will look at ordering quantities

[Benjamin Blundell]

Thanks Henry. I need to call DSS today and find out about some scaffolding.

On 7 January 2014 23:39, Henry Sands <hfs...@googlemail.com> wrote:

After looking around with Jasper and Paddy, it turns out that we might not have any paint at all, will look at ordering quantities

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[Phil Senior]

Do you need paint?
I have an unopened 10 litre tub of Crown matt brilliant white emulsion I can donate, and a pair of hands.
If you want it, when should I bring it to Hackspace?
I may have a couple of rollers, need to go have a root around in the loft.

[Henry Sands]

We went and got paint but more couldnt hurt! What we're really after now is dust sheets to stop the paint dripping on the floor, that and masking tape

[Akki]

I bought a random set of different widths of masking tape a while back if you want them, i can donate them.

[Henry Sands]

Please!

[miko]

I have some dust sheets that I am happy to lend.... Could probably drop them by the space this week one evening unless anyone is passing Kensal rise and wants to grab them. May also be able to drop them Saturday evening and stay and do some work then if that is not too late.

[Men tar]

I should be able to steal my housemates' bed sheets, got some plastic sheeting too.

On 20 January 2014 12:26, miko <mi...@talk21.com> wrote:

I have some dust sheets that I am happy to lend.... Could probably drop them by the space this week one evening unless anyone is passing Kensal rise and wants to grab them. May also be able to drop them Saturday evening and stay and do some work then if that is not too late.

[Henry Sands]

that would be extremely helpful! thanks!

[Tim Brennan]

Is there anything extra still needed for painting the space?

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[Alex Macklen]

If dust sheets were a problem perhaps this would do?

http://www.wickes.co.uk/polythene-dust-sheet-roll-2x50m/invt/154962/

[Henry Sands]

having fabric is better as it soaks up the paint and stops people treading it around the space, but it's always an option if we dont have enough

[Martin (Crypt)]

Leave my damn bedsheets alone!!!!. 

I actually have a load of old tarp if thats any good

[Lynz]

What time are we looking to start on Saturday?

[tom]

The Foyer has already been repainted hasnt it? If anyone needs to take the new sign down just undo the top-right screw and it slides out :)

[Henry Sands]

all day, from as soon as someone gets there to when the last person leaves

[Benjamin Blundell]

+1 Henry

The Scaffold has arrived. Thanks a lot to Tim Brennan for lending us that. Hopefully we can get the ceiling done now as planned.

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[Henry Sands]

Just a reminder that this starts tomorrow! You may come in to find things moved and the main hall in a less usable state, I will make an effort to move tesla and some soldering stations into the classroom so they can still be used first to minimise disturbance.

On Monday, 30 December 2013 14:34:21 UTC, Henry Sands wrote:

As discussed in a previous thread, a group of us are planning to finish the painting of the space from the 24th - 27th January, this will involve:-

* Disassembling the electronics area

* Moving Tesla

* Moving the social area

* Filling the middle of the space with all the moved stuff

* Cleaning down the walls

* Painting all the walls+ceiling white

* Painting all the trim/woodwork hackspace blue

Things we need:-

* People!

* Help!

* Lots of hands!

* Dust sheets

* Rollers/paint brushes

* Elbow grease

To my knowledge we still have lots of white wall paint left, though I'm sure another bucket wouldn't hurt.

The timetable we're hoping to work to is:-

24th Friday: Dismantle stuff, get everything off the walls to be painted, move everything that needs to be moved and start washing the walls

25th Saturday: Finish washing the walls and start Painting

26th Sunday: More painting, start to move things back where paint has dried

27th Monday: Finish moving things back

Whilst things are being moved, there is a possibility of moving the space around at the same time, this has been dabbled on and talked about in a few other threads.

The areas that have already been painted (Workshop, Classroom ect) should still be functional so there will be space to hack.

[Henry Sands]

Spacepainting has begun in earnest, half the classroom is full of the stuff that was up against the wall, the main area will be unusable tomorrow for general work though the quiet room will be free.

We managed to get everything we wanted done today, all the walls have been washed (3 times!), the pitch black liquid that came off them was quite amazing, they where way more dirty than I thought, everything's been moved and painting can begin tomorrow from ~10am onward, anyone who wants to is more than welcome to help but please be mindful of spills and splatters.

[Phil Senior]

Hi,
I've been meaning to get down to the space to help with the painting, but work has stopped me so far. Many apologies.
I am coming in tomorrow. How are you doing for paint? I still have 10 litres of Crown matt emulsion going spare. Shall I bring it in tomorrow? along with my willing hands.

[Henry Sands]

Please! we are dangerously low on paint

[Phil Senior]

I'll be down at 10-11am, it's a big bucket but its a big space...

[Henry Sands]

Thanks everyone who turned up!!! All the walls have been painted and the space totally reorganized, there's now much more space and it's really nice and bright, the electronics area still needs finishing and the components trays attaching to the wall but that's about it.

Again a massive thanks to all those who helped, it literally couldn't have been done without you

[Sarah Simmonds]

Well done everyone, especially those who stayed out the full weekend and even plan to continue with a few bits and pieces tomorrow. Stella effort! The space is looking amazing, the social area is now more sociable, there seems to be more room than before and the paint job makes such a difference. Special thanks to the Sands brothers for making it happen. 

I'd just like to point out that as the space has just now been rearranged it will be in a state of flux for a short time. We have a very large ground floor and it contains a lot of stuff. I don't expect every little thing will find a logical home for another week or so. 

Please be patient, it may take you longer to find things now due to the simple nature of reorganisation. If you come across anything that seems out of place feel free to put it where it needs to be. Every little bit helps.

[Martin (Crypt)]

yeh, nice work guys.  Sorry I couldn't turn up today, but was a really good atmosphere around the place yesterday, and we got a lot done.  I look forward to dropping in tomorrow to see the new layout

On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 11:51 PM, Henry Sands <hfs...@googlemail.com> wrote:

Thanks everyone who turned up!!! All the walls have been painted and the space totally reorganized, there's now much more space and it's really nice and bright, the electronics area still needs finishing and the components trays attaching to the wall but that's about it.

Again a massive thanks to all those who helped, it literally couldn't have been done without you

[Benjamin Blundell]

Cheers for all the people who gave their time over the weekend. It was hard work, but a lot of fun at times. The place looks a lot better already!

Likely, this is just the beginning of some of the things we’d like to do to do the place. No doubt there are plans to re-organise some of the areas and make room for some of the new machines we have to play with. 

I am arranging the return of the scaffolding likely next week so it will be around till then. 

For these interested, here is a video of the weekend’s antics:

http://goo.gl/qYk2ht

Cheers

B

[Men tar]

Those who didn't come missed out on Oni pole-dancing around a scaffold!

Great vid BTW!

[Benjamin Blundell]

Awwwww yeeeeaaah! :D Complete with techno mask! :D

Better version of the video without YouTube filthy compression

https://vimeo.com/85132794

B

[Henry Sands]

Mad props to Oni for organizing it all by the way!

[Benjamin Blundell]

Np. So what’s next? :) Probably a well earned rest I suspect! :)

I’d best get on with that art thing* ! :)

B

*(not an artist!)

[Henry Sands]

The electronics area is fully operational now, many many thanks to Mentar for getting it sorted.

[Benjamin Blundell]

Trying to liaise with Tim to return the scaffold. Looks like the 4th of feb is the date so if we can take it down by then i'll drive it back up north. I'll be around to help take it down.

On 27 Jan 2014 21:53, "Henry Sands" <hfs...@googlemail.com> wrote:

The electronics area is fully operational now, many many thanks to Mentar for getting it sorted.

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[Tom Sands]

Any pics?

[Richard Patterson]

And it's looking damn good.

Well done all!

On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Henry Sands <hfs...@googlemail.com> wrote:

The electronics area is fully operational now, many many thanks to Mentar for getting it sorted.

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[Benjamin Blundell]

So return of the scaffold is booked for 3pm on feb 4th. If some who knows what they are doing can take it down and leave it by the shutter at the back i'd be most grateful.
cheers
Ben

[Sarah Simmonds]

It's currently standing in front of the back shutter ready to go. Not sure what you mean by 'take it down' exactly, I seem to recall the owners weren't keen on anyone disassembling it in case bits get lost?

[Benjamin Blundell]

It needs disassembling and taking down before I get there with the van so as to minimise the hire time. Tim won't be around to do it but a few people at the space know how its done. It'll take a couple of people most likely.

[Tim Brennan]

It can be taken down by one person worst case scenario, but its easier and quicker with two.

[Benjamin Blundell]

Thanks Tim. I was in tonight for the lock picking session and in the end, Mentar gave me a hand taking it down which was a big help! should be fine for the return.

Cheers!

B