It depends, according to location, size, facilities….
The current rent + service charge + rates is just under £119500pa, and we just manage.
But we have a good location, yard, parking etc…
If, for example, we had moved to the place in Silvertown, those outgoings would have dropped by approx. 35%, but we also expect a drop in membership due to the less accessible location, minimal parking, no yard etc..
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Is this true? I see a few people on laptops but more doing something else. I don't see many people drinking coffee here either.
Have also heard that the workshop downstairs is oversized and under-used but the only time I've been alone downstairs is after midnight when more sensible people have gone home. It was jam packed on Sunday till after 10pm.
The impression I get is that these facilities are so rare, valuable and affordable that people will travel a good distance to use them, many of us already do it seems. Maybe some very local and occasional Hackspace members will leave, but presumably they'll be replaced by new local and occasional members in a different location.
Regardless of where we go you will loose members. The further out you go and the less facilities you have, the more members you will loose. Maybe not right away but when people realise they're not using the place they will cancel.
Keep in mind most people use the space as an internet cafe , you don't need a hackspace to use the internet, it was just convenient.
The place we currently have was perfect for space and location, the reason it was able to attract enough members.Getting a landlord to accept London Hackspace as a tenant with it's questionable ability to pay the rent will be a problem. (unless they're desperate)
Has anybody tried contacting the counsel for unused properties?
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How about buying a property collectively and filling it with shipping containers?
There could be a combination of private live/work and public space areas.
Running costs would be covered by the normal Hackspace membership fees.
If 30 members were able to do this, there would be £3,000,000 to play with.
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As an engineer, I'd prefer to examine the issues and consider them rather than write the idea off as ridiculous.But that's just me.
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On 18/09/2017 12:38, Adrian Godwin wrote:
It would be much longer than a 12 month project. We've been in the
hackspace 5 years and haven't half finished. But it could start with a
few parts and develop. It's a hackspace, not a commercial office that
has to be trading from day 1.
Think in terms of :
Buy 4 containers. Cost about £5000.
*20ft containers at that price for four.
Current listed LHS is 600m^2 (including yard?). One 20ft container, without interior cladding, has an area of 13.8m^2. That's 43 containers to recreate the listed equivalent floor area.
Even working to deliberately compact the layout for containerisation, we'd need a lot more than four containers to do any more than just store the equipment.
Put containers in the yard and start to fill them. Make them usable
workspaces, eg a welding container, a lasercutter container, a server
container.
Add fitting-out materials cost approx £1000 per container. Welding, new flooring, insulation, boarding, power, lighting, data, security..
Identify a suitable site. Ideally some derelict land or a building
shell. May have some services present but probably unusable. Previous
use should be industrial or storage.
Planning permission for change of use should only take 18 months or so.
Approx 3 months before the lease is up, take possession. Cost tba.
That's the end of December 2017. We have 3 months to do the above.
Buy a welfare unit container, an office container, and more empty ones
as costs permit. These are available ready-fitted secondhand.
Portakabins may be possible depending on site (they don't stack as high
as containers but are cheaper and more often inhabitable). Cost about £4000.
Stacking also means budgeting for access-ways, and almost guaranteeing that it won't have access for wheelchair users.
We'll also need to prepare the site to make the containers sit level and dry.
Connect mains sewer and power to welfare container. £2-6000. Link power
to office and essential containers. £500.
Move containers to new site as required. In 3 months pack remainder of
hackspace into 2 more containers and exit hackspace. Cost £2000.
Assuming a two-high stacking limit, the area occupied by the total of ten containers so far described is 74m^2 (12.2x6.058). Add another 30m^2 for one containers-width of access down the open end of the containers. So 104m^2 (8.5m x 12.2m) area minimum.
Rearrange contents in containers for most important usages.
18 months of arguments over relative importance of different facilities.
Add containers as needed to make additional workspaces.
Assuming we've been okay with getting more land than we actually need at the time.
With a years prep time, this idea is still only feasible with
someone making definitive executive decisions rather than putting each consideration out to discussion. With three months until it would need to be put into action, it's totally unrealistic.
However, POP also invested £500k of their own money in the scheme.
From winning the grant to a bare-bones opening took 12 months.
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And finally, satellite imagery from bing, looks like it’s used by them for storage
Recent hi-res imagary: http://breweryhistory.com/wiki/index.php?title=Chandler%27s_Wiltshire_Brewery_Ltd
Can you really buy land and build a structure and fit out a space for £600k?
On Tuesday, September 19, 2017 at 11:34:34 AM UTC+1, Tom Lynch wrote:Can you really buy land and build a structure and fit out a space for £600k?
Outside London, very easily.
Inside London, it depends...