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I'm afraid the consensus from IRC is on purely numerical calendar names. The only problem there is in 3-letter abbreviations, both months and days, and how to distinguish them.
I did sort of like the colors, as they follow a similar regularity to a numerical system without the associated blandness. However most/all of the people I spoke to on IRC disagreed. I told them to weigh in here, so I'll wait for their responses. If they don't in a day or two, I'll fall back to using color systems. But what about months?
The thing is, it's less important what is more exciting, but what's more intuitive, and more directly what's most common in Lojban. I could make a @skari sublocale if desired, using more standard Lojbanic months for the root locale.
I did sort of like the colors, as they follow a similar regularity to a numerical system without the associated blandness. However most/all of the people I spoke to on IRC disagreed. I told them to weigh in here, so I'll wait for their responses. If they don't in a day or two, I'll fall back to using color systems. But what about months?
The thing is, it's less important what is more exciting, but what's more intuitive, and more directly what's most common in Lojban.
This seems sane. For now I'm just going to stick with gregorian convention, even though I can't seem to find it used anywhere in Lojban texts. Any suggestions as far as days of the week? If rlpowell's ever available I may find time to consult him to resolve this.
I can agree with Pierre that color system of jefydei (jeftu djedi) might be better.It'll give a flavor of liveliness to otherwise mathematically precise logical language.This color system can be part of a totally independent Lojbani culture.I can't agree with animal naming of months ({mlajukma'i} for July) as zodiac is not a stable thing throughout history due to precession effects. And it's not culturally neutral (some nations divided the route of the sun into more than 12 elements).However, as Georgian calendar is official (like metric system) it'd be wise to use Georgian names.
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I... May have missed something. Numbers are very culturally biased, because of course no one uses numbers. Colors on the other hand aren't because you made it (or it's used in China?)
I still think neutrality is important, but gleki brought up a good point on IRC : There's no way to be neutral when we're using someone else's calendar already.
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I... May have missed something. Numbers are very culturally biased, because of course no one uses numbers.
Colors on the other hand aren't because you made it (or it's used in China?)
I still think neutrality is important, but gleki brought up a good point on IRC : There's no way to be neutral when we're using someone else's calendar already.
Colors on the other hand aren't because you made it (or it's used in China?)
I still think neutrality is important, but gleki brought up a good point on IRC : There's no way to be neutral when we're using someone else's calendar already.
ti'e even bacteria have 7-day cycles. so it might be neutral. Of course we might ask {ma jalge?}. Is it humanity that forces bacteria to follow this worldwide artificial cycle. Or is it nature that forces people to use it's 7-day cycle?
Most also use a decimal number system, it doesn't make it any less arbitrary. I do think that colors would reduce confusion and be significantly more intuitive, however a more official tally of active jbopre would probably be smart.
As for months, have we still settled on gregorian? It's, at the very least, widespread, but we don't have a zero index. (This may not be a problem however, as I don't think locale specifications take that into account)
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We're not creating a new calendar here. We're creating a Locale to fit IBM locale specifications. 7 days, 12 months, date format. Actually, since most people will just use this to more easily set 'jbo' as an enabled language, LC_TIME will probably be rarely used. We just need sensible names and abbreviations.