Hacking Cursive - 2D aspects for cursive alphabets

[vasten]

This has been my obsessive art hobby for well over a decade now. I call it Dscript.

it is like a "cursive alphabetical writing system", with some differences
Unlike standard cursive scripts which are written in either horizontal or vertical format
Dscript allows BOTH vertical AND horizontal at the same time.

The simplest way to imagine this is that a standard cursive word is like a "string or letters"
Now imagine you take that string idea and design an alphabet of letters than can be strung together in more than a simple 1-Dimensional string

Dscript "letter strings" can be bent, curled, even forked and have letters inside of other letters
It was designed to allow as much 2D flexibility as possible, while still conserving pen strokes.

The end result is a writing system that allows for words to be "compressed" into a fully legible "alphabetical symbol".
Both the letters and sequence of letters is fully legible in each symbol. entire phrases and sentences can even be compressed into larger symbols.

The result is not restricted to "symbols and glyphs", it allows the string to flex and fork in 2D, so a "letters string" can be long/tall triangle/circle/square/

rectangle/etc..

I had so much fun with it I just published creative commons, free to copy/edit and yes, even free to sell and use commercially.
The Dscript concept work on any alphabet, but tends to break down at alphabets of over 40 letters or so, best for 25 or less I would say, fewer letters=more flexibility.
Guide to design new alphabets : http://dscript.ca/dscript_conlang.gif

Lots of websites and videos with materials, attached a few pics and the intro pdf
Hope you like :)

Matt
http://dscript.org (currently experiencing DNS probs, might be flaky)
http://dscript.ca

https://www.youtube.com/user/freedscript
https://www.facebook.com/Dscripting
http://dscript.deviantart.com/

[selpa'i]

la .vasten. cu cusku di'e

> This has been my obsessive art hobby for well over a decade now. I call
> it Dscript.

You introduced your Dscript on this list before, see this thread for the
responses you got last time:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/lojban/dscript/lojban/giGakSTFp5M/okmfqJ3cq1kJ

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

[Jonathan Jones]

My feelings on Dscript are, simply put, "meh".

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(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

[MorphemeAddict]

I wonder why this is on a Lojban list. 

Can you write in Dscript in real time? 

stevo

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[John E. Clifford]

Because most fancy writing systems get to most popular conlang sites eventually (and, as noted, repeatedly). I long ago lost count for Lojban; toki pona has gone past thirty, I think.

Writing in real time -- or even legibly -- is be the point in conscripts; beauty and system is everything.

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[John E Clifford]

is NOT the point

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[Jonathan Jones]

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 8:58 AM, John E Clifford <kali9...@yahoo.com> wrote:

is NOT the point

, but it should be.

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[.arpis.]

Why should it be? Ithkuil is a perfectly legitimate conlang despite the fact that it's impossible to speak in real time.

mu'o mi'e .arpis.

[Jonathan Jones]

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:40 PM, .arpis. <rpglover...@gmail.com> wrote:

Why should it be? Ithkuil is a perfectly legitimate conlang despite the fact that it's impossible to speak in real time.

I was speaking personally, and about writing systems, not languages. I don't see the point of using a writing system that, well, isn't usable.

Why would I use a writing system that takes minutes to write one word when I can use one that takes deciseconds?

Beauty is all well and good, but it shouldn't supersede utility.

[v4hn]

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 03:09:03PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:40 PM, .arpis. <rpglover...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > Why should it be? Ithkuil is a perfectly legitimate conlang despite the
> > fact that it's impossible to speak in real time.
>
> I was speaking personally, and about writing systems, not languages. I
> don't see the point of using a writing system that, well, isn't usable.

Ever tried to ba'e write Ithkuil? Not much better.

> Why would I use a writing system that takes minutes to write one word when
> I can use one that takes deciseconds?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calligraphy
Writing is just as much an art as it is a tool.
ta'o I don't understand why cursive should not be usable.
In the worst case you can always learn "standard" forms of many words
instead of trying to read each word letter by letter.

This, however, still has nothing to do with lojban.


v4hn

[Jonathan Jones]

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 6:34 PM, v4hn <m...@v4hn.de> wrote:

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 03:09:03PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:40 PM, .arpis. <rpglover...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > Why should it be? Ithkuil is a perfectly legitimate conlang despite the
> > fact that it's impossible to speak in real time.
>
> I was speaking personally, and about writing systems, not languages. I
> don't see the point of using a writing system that, well, isn't usable.

Ever tried to ba'e write Ithkuil? Not much better.

I have no interest in Ithkuil.

 

> Why would I use a writing system that takes minutes to write one word when
> I can use one that takes deciseconds?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calligraphy

I'm just going to quote myself, since you cut off my point.

"Beauty is all well and good, but it shouldn't supersede utility."

 

Writing is just as much an art as it is a tool.

ta'o I don't understand why cursive should not be usable.
In the worst case you can always learn "standard" forms of many words
instead of trying to read each word letter by letter.

This, however, still has nothing to do with lojban.


v4hn

[John E. Clifford]

Well, actually it is spang on. Lojban is as useless (and uglier) than Descript for getting toilet paper at a drugstore. It all depends on purpose and aesthetic. The writing system is a metaphor for the conlang game.

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[Matthew DeBlock]

i have tried to avoide this argument because i am quite biased.. but i agree completely with john clifford.

What makes you think it takes minutes to write a word in Dscript? because that how long it took you at first try? it took me forever to write chinese characters when i first started earning them.. now i can zip them out in fast cursive.. much like dscript.

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[Jonathan Jones]

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Matthew DeBlock <vast...@gmail.com> wrote:

i have tried to avoide this argument because i am quite biased.. but i agree completely with john clifford.

What makes you think it takes minutes to write a word in Dscript?

Because exaggeration for effect.

 

because that how long it took you at first try?

I'll let you know when my first try happens. Considering my interest in it is nil, don't hold our breath.

 

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