Android Phone & other removable drives

[Robby]

I am using Krusader (2.4.0-Beta3 "Single Step") with an Ubuntu variant Zorin 8, I am having trouble mounting removable hard drives and other media especially my android phone. If I open Krusader, then open the built in file manager (I think it's nautilus), on most external media I can copy the address of the usb device, then paste it in the Krusader settings>advanced>automount devices, save and restart Krusader and it will open the usb device. Until I unplug the device, then on the next use I have to go through the same procedure again. However with my LG phone, it does not matter what I do, Krusader will not recognize it. I have been trying for a couple of weeks to get it to work, but nothing I do will make Krusader see the phone. I have to use the built in file manager which I hate. 

As far as I'm concerned Krusader is the best file manager available, I just need to get this working. When I was using Kubuntu (3.5 or 4.0????) I had no problem with Krusader mounting external media, just since I changed to Zorin. Which I did because my computer is getting old and just can't handle the memory demands of KDE anymore. Does anyone have any idea of what I might do that will make Krusader find and remember the external usb drives and media? 

[1235]

On Thu, 15 May 2014 14:43:27 -0700 (PDT)
Robby <wt....@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am using Krusader (2.4.0-Beta3 "Single Step") with an Ubuntu
> variant Zorin 8, I am having trouble mounting removable hard drives
> and other media especially my android phone. If I open Krusader, then
> open the built in file manager (I think it's nautilus), on most
> external media I can copy the address of the usb device, then paste
> it in the Krusader
> settings>advanced>automount devices, save and restart Krusader and it

> settings>advanced>will

> open the usb device. Until I unplug the device, then on the next use
> I have to go through the same procedure again. However with my LG
> phone, it does not matter what I do, Krusader will not recognize it.
> I have been trying for a couple of weeks to get it to work, but
> nothing I do will make Krusader see the phone. I have to use the
> built in file manager which I hate.
>
> As far as I'm concerned Krusader is the best file manager available,
> I just need to get this working. When I was using Kubuntu (3.5 or
> 4.0????) I had no problem with Krusader mounting external media, just
> since I changed to Zorin. Which I did because my computer is getting
> old and just can't handle the memory demands of KDE anymore. Does
> anyone have any idea of what I might do that will make Krusader find
> and remember the external usb drives and media?
>

Does "Tools > MountMan" show, and allow you to mount, the devices
you're talking about?

Really, it makes much more sense to let the OS do the automounting
rather than a file-manager. I'd say it's the fault of your OS, which is
meant to work out-of-the-box, for not automounting.

I advise you to configure /etc/fstab to automount these storage devices.

[Robby Kitchen]

I hope this isn't top posting, Anyway "Tools>MountMan" does not show the devices, except as I stated, when I open it in nautilus, then copy location over to Krusader settings "Automount", then only for that session. Then it will not recognize the android at all. 

Quote "Really, it makes much more sense to let the OS do the automounting

rather than a file-manager."

The OS does automount all the drives as soon as I plug anything in it automatically pops up the dialogue for choosing action for that device. It shows up on the desktop immediately, Nautilus shows the device automatically, other file managers automount the devices, it's just Krusader that doesn't. It almost appears that Krusader isn't able to detect them since it's Ubuntu not KDE. Thing is I've tried several other file managers including, what is it, MIdnight Commander, and the other Commander that Krusader is modeled after, or is modeled after Krusader which ever way that is, I just don't like them. I like Krusader and want to use it, but I've got to get this fixed first. 

Quote"I'd say it's the fault of your OS....for not automounting."

I'm assuming this is what you were trying to say. As I've pointed out already, you misunderstood my post, I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear, but the OS does automount, Nautilus does automount, other file managers automount, it's just Krusader that doesn't. Krusader (only) will not see any usb devices unless I first open them in nautilus, copy the device mount folder location from the address bar and paste them in the Krusader address bar, that is the only way it sees the usb device, and even doing this Krusader (only) does not recognize the android phone at all, as in never, not going to happen.

I will try the /etc/fstab, and see if it works. But again, everything except Krusader does mount the drives, so I don't really see /fstab/ working. This has to be a defect or difference in the way Krusader and Zorin 8 (Ubuntu 13.10) mount devices, which doesn't allow Krusader to see the device. 

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> Quote"I'd say it's the fault of your OS....for not automounting."
> I'm assuming this is what you were trying to say. As I've pointed out
> already, you misunderstood my post, I'm sorry if I didn't make it
> clear, but the OS does automount, Nautilus does automount, other file
> managers automount, it's just Krusader that doesn't. Krusader (only)
> will not see any usb devices unless I first open them in nautilus,
> copy the device mount folder location from the address bar and paste
> them in the Krusader address bar, that is the only way it sees the
> usb device, and even doing this Krusader (only) does not recognize
> the android phone at all, as in never, not going to happen.

I think you're not clear on something. The OS mounts a device (commonly
a file in /dev) on a mountpoint (a directory). It attaches a
file-system on the device to the big file-system of your OS.

Once the OS mounts a device the file-manager does not need to mount it
also. You just navigate to the mountpoint with your file-manager.

Are you saying that:
0) Nautilus should be closed.
1) You plug in the device.
2) Let your os mount it to /some/dir
3) In the terminal you do `ls -l /some/dir` and it shows the
files on the device.
4) In Krusader navigating to /some/dir shows no files.

Krusader doesn't care what device it is; it just lists files in a
directory.

PS: You did top-post, but at least you care about this. Please put the
message you're quoting *above* your message.

[Robby Kitchen]

Maybe I got it right this time. I now understand your statement about mounting devices, I was using the term "mount" in a loose way, just to indicate the file manager being able to see and locate the device, and show files inside it. I made sure Krusader was closed, plugged in a device, opened a terminal entered "ls -l/media/mypassport/" the terminal shows the files, open Krusader, click on the drop down list of drives and devices, and device is not there.  In #4, you mentioned navigating to /media/passport/ and seeing files inside, actually all I can see is "/media/", "mypassport" is not even in the list. What I do have in the list is 

50 GIG Hard Disk (ext4)

450 GIG hard disk (ntfs)

Nautilus shows 

50g Zorin8

450g Windows7

50g Xboot

200g mypassport

With xboot and mypassport being two partitions on one external drive, xboot is a partition created by an .iso to usb "burner" to install my Linux OS. That's what I don't understand, the terminal sees the external, and the phone, nautilus sees them both, and can manipulate the files inside, but Krusader does not see the drive, unless I copy&paste the drive address information from nautilus to Krusader, then Krusader will see the external unless I close Krusader or unplug/replug the external then I have to copy&paste again for Krusader to see it again. No matter what I do, Krusader will not accept the phone address no matter what, here is the address nautilus shows for the phone internal memory 

mtp://[usb:003,008]/Internal%20storage

I try and paste that into Krusader, it shows that address, I hit enter, this address disappears, and the previous address comes back up. Hopefully, I'm now speaking the same language you are, and not using words differently confusing everyone in the process lol.  

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[apok]

On Sat, 17 May 2014 17:16:24 -0500
Robby Kitchen <wt....@gmail.com> wrote:

> Maybe I got it right this time. I now understand your statement about
> mounting devices, I was using the term "mount" in a loose way, just to
> indicate the file manager being able to see and locate the device,
> and show files inside it. I made sure Krusader was closed, plugged in
> a device, opened a terminal entered "ls -l/media/mypassport/" the
> terminal shows the files, open Krusader, click on the drop down list
> of drives and devices, and device is not there.

It's not there because of this bug:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=325649

>> In #4, you mentioned
> navigating to /media/passport/ and seeing files inside, actually all
> I can see is "/media/", "mypassport" is not even in the list. What I
> do have in the list is
>
> 50 GIG Hard Disk (ext4)
> 450 GIG hard disk (ntfs)

OK now you are confusing me again. First you say that "mypassport" is
not in the list; by "list" do you mean the MountMan list or the
*directory listing* of the "/media" directory?

Please just do the following:
1) In terminal check if you can see the files of the device by doing
`ls -l /the/mount/point/dir`
2) Make sure in Krusader "View -> Show Hidden Files" is ticked.
3) In Krusader enter the address "/the/mount/point/dir". Are the same
files here?

I have a very hard time believing that `ls` shows the files but
Krusader doesn't.

> No matter what I do, Krusader will not
> accept the phone address no matter what, here is the address nautilus
> shows for the phone internal memory
>
> mtp://[usb:003,008]/Internal%20storage
>
> I try and paste that into Krusader, it shows that address, I hit
> enter, this address disappears, and the previous address comes back
> up.

This is a different issue. Here files are accessed through a protocol
"MTP"; something that Krusader doesn't handle without additional
libraries. Install the "kio-mtp" package for MTP to be available
through KDE apps, like Krusader. If that doesn't work you can mount
the MTP device; here is a useful article:

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mtp#KDE_MTP_KIO_Slave