E-Mail Exchanges Govinda DD, Mukunda Dasa, Padmagarbha Dasa
BhaktaRobin
Whenever the word "devotee" is mentioned in the Scriptures, it is without a doubt referring to pure devotees, not those who are still subject to the influence of the Three Modes of Nature!
So when quotes from the Srimad Bhagavatam, etc. are being presented here by Mukunda and others that they feel support their argument that 'it doesn't matter whether or not 'we' stay in the cities' [and totally depend on the karmis to provide them us with all our needs, food, etc.], or we move to farms [and there produce our own necessities, food, etc.] as the scriptures, Srila Prabhupada clearly tell us that the 'devotees' will be protected irregardless.
Although, Mukunda seems to believe that this promise of protection by the Lord applies ONLY to the devotees who choose to defy/go against Srila Prabhupada's guidance to develop self-sufficient farms, by deciding to instead remain in the "hellish" cities.
[Prabhupāda: "Yes. Whatever it may be... We should be satisfied locally by our food, by our cloth, by our milk. That's all. Let the whole world go to hell. We don't care. IF YOU WANT TO SAVE YOURSELF ALSO, YOU DO THIS. Here is an example. Just see. If you want artificial life, city life, and hellish life, you do. BUT WE SHALL LIVE LIKE THIS!. This is the ideal life!"]
Those 'devotees' who have moved to farms won't be protected, as Mukunda confidentially exclaims, <"Until the communists are destroyed no farm communities will be safe. rather they will be BIG TARGETS">
I guess Mukunda also believes that Srila Prabhupada made an error in judgement when he inspired/instructed the development of ISKCON farms, such as New Vrndavan, Gita Nagari, etc., prior to the total destruction of the Communists.
Mukunda further keeps reminding us that Sulocan was practically the only ksatriya as well as Brahmana disciple of Srila Prabhupada. My question is, why then was Sulocan not protected from asuric rulers like Keith Ham and Richard Slavin?
Perhaps when the Lord and Srila Prabhupada state, " Be assured of this, that the devotees will be protected by the Holy Name"
They are not necessarily referring to only the material body, but rather to the actual 'devotee', the soul within that body, to the protecting the 'actual' self from the Yamaduttas, the Modes of Nature and their karma and desires in their next "material" birth! The assumption that this declaration ONLY refers to the material covering/body, may result in a lack of faith, as quite a few prabhus, God brothers and God sisters of ours have suffered death at the hands of asuric 'leaders'.
Further, to quote Srila Prabhupada as saying that Cites will again be rebuilt as an argument that it is ok to stay in the cities during the coming Economic Collapse and World War 3 [both foretold by Srila Prabhupada], or that it suggests that the destruction will be very limited is most foolish. Of course people will again build cities, or rebuild existing ones, in due time, that's what people have done throughout history. But to believe that this would happen rather quickly is most presumptuous! It may, and very likely will take many, many decades! It took almost two decades for [West] Germany to rebuild, and that Country's destruction was nothing compared to what will happen in the coming War. As I said previously, I personally heard Srila Prabhupada say, "After the [next] War there will be no more Cities and no more Automobiles!"
Speaking of Germany and World War 2, during, at the end of, and after that War the German Farmers continued producing food [although very limited amounts], as a very high percentage of those farmers were still farming with horses, and they also 'saved' from every harvest seeds for the spring planting.. Today's farmers require much technology for planting, cultivating, harvesting, and processing, all requiring fuel and of course constant supply of spare parts for repairs. Well, after this coming War, there won't be any fuel, and no spare parts.[most farming equipment will be inoperable immediately due to the EMP destroying the circuit boards. And of course today's farmers, pretty much the World over, they not only grow mono/cash crops, but they also save NO seeds for replanting. The seeds they plant are "terminator" seeds [they do not produce viable seeds] and those seeds are purchased for every planting season.
So, while the German/European farmers were not only able to survive, and help the rest of the population stay alive [barely], today's farmers won't be too much better off than the people in the cities. Even IF those farmers manage to get a hold of, and raise and train some horses and oxen, without the "horse drawn equipment" [the Tractor drawn implements are much too heavy for animal usage!] and the seeds their production will be very small, certainly for years to come.
Now, Mukunda, before you again accuse me of continuing with "fear porn", I wish to remind you that it was Srila Prabhupada who initiated this conversation, this "fear porn", by telling us on numerous occasions of what lies ahead for us, for India, for the World. And I am not only referring to the coming total economic collapse, Word War 3, and India suffering most in this coming War, but also I am speaking of the philosophy of Krsna consciousness as expressed in Srila Prabhupada's lectures and His books. Over and over we are being reminded of how miserable this Material World is, and how much suffering,subjection to the 'three fold miseries' we will have to endure in future live, transmigrating from one species to another, unless we take seriously this process of Krsna consciousness, unless we chant Hare Krsna!
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On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 2:00 PM Mukunda dasa <@prabhupada.org.uk> wrote:
Until Hiranyakasijoo is destroyed by the Lord. THERE WILL BE NO PEACEFULLIVING FOR THE DEVOTEES!!!!
On 14/02/2021 21:58, Mukunda dasa wrote:
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> On 14/02/2021 21:07, Anuttama devi dasi wrote:
>> Had the devotees done that, they could simply chant and watch the
>> drama unfold from a safe place.
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> NO they the wouldn't!!! Until the communists are destroyed no farm
> communities will be safe. rather they will be BIG TARGETS"!!!! WACO
> teaches us what the demoniac communists do to self-sufficient farming
> communities of Religious people!!!
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> Agenda 21 or now 40 let's us know their plan. Or watch Soylent Green
> with Charlton Heston. It's all there very clear NO COUNTRYSIDE LIVING
> ONLY SLAVE LIVING IN SMART CITIES WITH A CANNIBAL DIET!!!!
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Dear Padmagarbha Prabhu,
Pamho. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Thank you for your excellent explanation and research. YEs, I too have heard SO MANY things directly from Srila Prabhupada during those early years with him.
But I think some of these devotees here are not interested in hearing anything. They simply want to bicker, one-up one another with their “research”, and waste their time—-and our time. I think it is best to just ignore all these emails and get on with what needs to be done.
Your servant and sister, Govinda dasi
WW3 and Communism
Padmagarbha Das
Mukunda, you say, <"Even we see that so many people survived
through the hell of the second world war who were not chanting the
holy name"> thereby continuing to argue that it is safe
to remain in the cities during the coming tribulations.
I was
born during WW2, in Germany and I witnessed the aftermath, and
listened to countless accounts from my parents and grandparents as
to their experiences.
First though, WW3 will make
WW2 look like a minor disturbance. Srila Prabhupada said that
"after the War there will be NO MORE Cities and NO MORE
automobiles [I personally heard Him say this]. He also stated that,
"After the War all the major cities in the World will be but
'Melted Steel and Rubble." The cities that don't get
destroyed/bombed will have to be abandoned within days, as there
won't be any food or water available within hours. As a matter
of fact, Mahabuddhi dasa recalled [on one of the Memory Interviews]
Srila Prabhupada telling him, as they were viewing the Skyline of the
city of Atlanta while driving in a car, that within his lifetime
there would not be anymore people in that city.
And once while in California Srila Prabhupada pointed towards the Los
Angeles skyline and told the devotees present, "You see
all these buildings, very soon they will all be gone!"
Now
as far as WW2 goes, Germany lost approximately 10 million people
during the War; however, 'after' the War another 15 to 20 million
Germans died. At War's end the average German woman like my
mother] weighed but 70 pounds, and the average male around 80
pounds.
And of course Germany/Germans were
eventually "rescued"" by the Marshall Plan, and no
"rescue plan" of any kind will follow WW3, as NO Country
will be able to rescue its own population.
And as far as Mukunda
Carana stating,
"Why would Srila Prabhupada establish, manage, maintain and visit Temples in Calcutta, New York City (“Never sell this building”), Bombay and in Mayapura (105km from Kolkata) if he wanted devotees to run away into what now appear to be disorganized, unstructured communities?"
The answer is quite
simple, "For the purpose of preaching!" No different
from a fireman running into a burning building to save the 'sleeping'
tenants, while, of course it is still safe to do so.
And
here Srila Prabhupada tells us, in January 1977, how He
wants us to live, and most of all, how we will be "saved"!
Prabhupāda: "Yes. Whatever it may be... We should be satisfied locally by our food, by our cloth, by our milk. That's all. Let the whole world go to hell. We don't care. IF YOU WANT TO SAVE YOURSELF ALSO, YOU DO THIS. Here is an example. Just see. If you want artificial life, city life, and hellish life, you do. BUT WE SHALL LIVE LIKE THIS!. This is the ideal life!"
Hare Krishna. Once again, I have lived with danger my whole life, having lived in South Africa for most of the 49 years of this present birth. The problem we are dealing with is not one of refuge, but it concerns governance. If we do not seriously tackle communism, it won't matter where you are. If you think you are safe in a self-supporting community, without a network of highly organised ksatriya-commandos and non-internet communications - think twice. The problem of survival in a post-apocalypse scenario depends on a huge collective effort. That is the observable issue at stake.
Johannesburg is still pretty civilised at present. However, in a recent home I rented there, we had six armed security companies patrol our suburb. I was in a shopping centre when a bomb went off that made the whole building shake. I was 16. I was in the centre of the city a month earlier, and we heard another. I could go on describing the trauma of living in a country overrun by lawless criminals and thieving politicians, proxies of world jewry. These circumstances brought me closer to Krishna and spiritual quest and, ultimately, to the lotus feet of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
I recall a conversation where I heard Prabhupada say that after the war people will simply rebuild their cities. It was in '75 or '76 (I'll dig up the quote).
"You write that things are in a crises in England, with oil shortage and IRA bombing. Therefore we have to take shelter of Krishna. If Krishna wants to kill us or not that is not wrong, if it is His desire. Our business should just be to follow the regulative schedule, deity worship, distributing prashadam and never mind the material danger. Krishna consciousness means to be on the platform of deathlessness. Every sloka in Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam is informing us of this. If you read these books carefully you will understand this platform of deathlessness as opposed to the material condition in which no-one can check death" - Srila Prabhupada, letter to Malati dasi (at Bhaktivedanta Manor), 7 January 1974.
The Augustian idea of civitate deus or classist society ('a house in which the whole world can live') is in total opposition to the initiatic principle of varnsrama-dharma that Srila Prabhupada introduced in disciplic succession.
Srila Prabhupada addressing kali-chela Ramesvara on a Morning Walk on 4 April 1975 in Mayapura:
Ramesvara - ...that if there is a war between Russia and America, there would be a nuclear war and they would pollute the whole atmosphere with radioactive particles which would kill everyone.
Prabhupada - It is already polluted.
In summary (see conversation for exact quotes): The atmosphere is already polluted and our lives have been reduced already. Duration of life and surviving the contamination of crops by radiation is not as important as being Krishna conscious: "Best business is, before the death comes let us finish our Krishna consciousness perfectly. That is wanted. Death will come. You cannot avoid it"
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Hare Krishna dear vaisnavas and vaisnavis
Please accept my humble obeisances
All glories to our beloved Srila Prabhupada
RE: FARM COMMUNITIES & THE DAYS AHEAD
Here in New Zealand, our communist Prime Minister "Comrade" Jacinda Ardern (who was elected President of the UN's International Union of Socialist Youth in 2008) declared on stage at the Gates Foundation's Goal Keepers Event in New York in 2019 that "We have incorporated the principles of the 2030 Agenda into our domestic policy making in a way that we hope will drive system-level actions." In other words, we down-under are again the globalist test subject, before they roll it out to the rest of you. Just like the lockdowns, they started here, but now y'all are enjoying them!
Agendas 21 (signed 1992) and 2030 (signed 2015), along with the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) are what Massey University describes as "the UN's ambitious macro-level plan for humankind's development and sustainability". If you take a look at Rosa Koire's work, you will see that this sugar-coated plan for worldwide "communitarianism" is behind everything - our disarmament, vaccines, surveillance, town planning entered around high density housing (prisons), agricultural restrictions using the climate change narrative, moving people off land and into cities, etc. It is the decades-long plan to install their one world dictatorial government.
Here in New Zealand, we have a reputation as a farming country. But communists target farmers first - whether that be the atrocities happening against the Boer in Southern Africa (I've worked with a few former South African and Zimbabwean farmers and have heard their stories first-hand), or the Holodomor of Eastern Europe, or whether that be the Significant Nature Areas in New Zealand which are being used by the government to seize rural land - it is all the same thing. New Zealand farmers are being heavily persecuted here. I recently learned that in India also, there are massive farming protests happening right now due to the government trying to force independent farmers into becoming "contract growers", growing to order for big corporates (it's the same thing again). Also, last year 50% of state owned farms in New Zealand were approved for sale to Chinese owned corporations. Large Chinese enterprise is without exception tied and answerable to the Chinese Communist Party. So the New Zealand government is bankrupting farmers, taking their land, and selling it to communist China. Great...
Farmers are generally self-sufficient, practical and capable of generating a livelihood from the land. Communists don't like that. Generally in a communist revolution, the intellectuals, the clergy, farmers, political opponents, etc. are all persecuted and eliminated first. The proletariat masses aren't much of a threat to such a revolution - uneducated workers are a desirable herd for such a regime.
Both capitalism and communism are Marxist constructs. After overthrowing the monarchy, they install capitalism, which leads to exploitation through usury, the emergence of decadence and the dissatisfaction of the common folk - all by design. Then the dictatorship of the proletariat known as socialism is meant to emerge, followed by communism. Marxism is synonymous with Zionism - the plan of Jewish supremacists to subjugate us - the goyim or gentiles, who they believe that God created in man-form so that they wouldn't have to be served by beasts - legit, their words, not mine. (And yes, noble Jews do exist, but we would be foolish to ignore the Zionist agents of Kali, who are most prominent - after all, take a look at who now runs ISKCON... Also, Kali uses these people as he resides where there is hoarding of gold - which they have a reputation for.)
They've been tending their communist crop very nicely, and now they are harvesting the fruit. Even the rampant debauchery around us, has been part of their plan. In Europe, the communists determined that first the moral fortitude of the West had to be broken down before the Europeans would accept communism. Berlin was transformed into Babylon in the years between the First World War and the rise of National Socialism - which has nothing to do with Marxist socialism. The Germans took "nationalism" from the right and "socialism" from the left, and repurposed them as something transcendent to both these paradigms of usury and enslavement. There are some elements similar to varnashram also, such as class cooperation, etc.
I recommend the documentary Europa below, as a starting point for anyone wanting to understand the true history of the last century, and how we have arrived at this point in 2021 right now.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/YDyz9eZKkSQv/
Common law of the land - also known as constitutional law in the USA, may help us secure our farmlands under allodial title, and free us from the system of admiralty law which this cabal has engineered over centuries (can explain that separately). There is a project in a national park in the South Island of New Zealand where land has been claimed under "right of discovery" by a common law group. I am watching them closely as it may be a solution for acquiring land for us also.
But land alone is not going to be enough.
There are four varnas in human society, representing the different parts of the body. While some parts are more important than others - all play an important part in servicing the body as a whole. The head guides the body, the arms protect it, the belly nourishes it and the legs carry it forward. While I am a brahmin type (unqualified) and mostly inclined toward teaching, I am nevertheless also learning horticultural skills right now and I have no problem learning how to fight as well - this is an emergency after all, and brahmins must also be proficient in the subjects that they will teach to the other varnas. It is my opinion that somehow or other we should ALL be learning useful skills like this in addition to our conventional cultivation and distribution of Krsna consciousness.
Farms without protection will simply be taken by the state, or pillaged by marauders.
This link may be helpful - it is a recent example of life in the city in a war zone. It also highlights that "groups" fare much better than those on the "Lone Ranger" programme. So whether urban or rural, communities should be emphasised. It also states that trade was impossible without protection. You can also apply this principle to a rural farming context.
Women should especially take this information seriously. Do you know what the Soviets did to the German women at the end of WW2? From eight to eighty, no woman was spared. And male relatives who intervened were literally sawn in half. What will happen when Chinese and African troops wearing blue UN helmets (to make it legitimate) invade the Western nations to "normalise" the civil unrest? Recent information has emerged from China that Uighur women in reeducation camps are being serviced to CCP soldiers. Civil war is also desirable by the communists, as it gives them grounds to "intervene".
The Suidlanders are a highly organised community in South Africa whose plans may be relevant to devotees in certain parts of the world if things go really sour. They may be able to assist with information to devotee communities on how to organise, etc. They are the acharyas in this regard. They are Boer, but they have also helped the Indian communities in South Africa with information and planning, so far as I have heard.
On a positive note, I've been following Trump closely, and haven't given up on the plan to dissolve the 1871 corporation called United States OF AMERICA (singular) and to restore the Republic known as the United States of America (plural). Keep watching, but don't stop preparing. We have a similar movement here in New Zealand to restore our sovereignty also under the provisions that are unique to us. I'm not sure how other countries will do it. Nevertheless, Germany secured 12 blissful years of freedom before all hell broke loose and the entire capitalist and communist world united to destroy them and their Italian and Japanese brothers. So even if Trump and the patriots win us freedom this time around, it may not necessarily be permanent.
One thing is for sure - we don't have much time. Agenda 2030 is their goal.
P.S. Please forgive me if I've upset anyone with any information presented above. Sometimes the truth is unpalatable. I do not intend any offence, and I am open to correction on any points made above.
Hare Krishna
Your humble and unqualified servant,
Thomas ACBSP
BhaktaRobin
no mention of being a topmost pure devotee here to receive protection.
On 15/02/2021 10:11, Greg Sheehan wrote:
> If there is opportunity to get resources great then take it, then make
> some little plan how to spend but telling people they should move
> their whole lives without proper arrangement and resources or should
> have moved their lives years ago is of no use.
Nice points Greg prabhu. I especially liked the point above. Thank you.
Bhakta Robin
"Our point should be that we shall take all necessary steps
for self-protection, depending on the results on Krsna. We should NOT idly sit
down simply depending on Krsna. Arjuna had to fight in the battlefield, but at
the same time he heard Bhagavat Gita. Our motto shall be like that. Neither we
shall fight alone, without Krsna consciousness, nor we shall give up all
possible facilities." [SP letter to Brahmananda, Sept.9, 1969]
"When there is imminent danger, an
intelligent person should try to avoid the dangerous position as far as
possible. But if, in spite of endeavoring by all intelligence, one fails to
avoid the dangerous position, there is no fault on his part. One should try his
best to execute his duties, but if the attempt fails he is not at fault."
[ Krsna Book, chap. I ]
Clearly, Mukunda is going out of his way to look for words by Srila Prabhupada that, in his mind contradict what Srila Prabhupada is saying in the two above quotes.
Out of concern of being
perceived as being "fearful", he probably would like to change the
words in the first line in the letter to Brahmananda to,
"Our point should be that we shall take no steps for
self-protection, .......... We should just idly sit down [in the Cities]
simply depending on Krsna."
Srila Prabhupada once told this story [I can only paraphrase it]:
While Villagers were collecting firewood in the Jungle it was discovered that a
man-eating Tiger was near, so quickly everyone was advised to immediately leave
the forest and take shelter in the Village. One man, however, he did not
heed the repeated warnings, insisting instead that he had full faith in the
Lord's protection.
After he had been killed and eaten by the Tiger, and came in the presence of the Lord he asked Krsna why, in spite of his full faith in His protection, why did He not save him from the Tiger. And Lord Krsna then replied, "I tried to save you repeatedly, sending others to warn you of the presence of the Tiger; however, you chose to ignore those warnings."
So, in "1977" Srila Prabhupada warned us:
"Yes. Whatever it may be... We should be satisfied locally
by our food, by our cloth, by our milk. That's all. Let the whole world go to
hell. We don't care. IF YOU WANT TO SAVE YOURSELF ALSO, YOU DO THIS. Here
is an example. Just see. If you want artificial life, city life, and hellish
life, you do. BUT WE SHALL LIVE LIKE THIS!. This is the ideal life!"]
And before you again attempt to use Srila Prabhupada's words to argue against
the above quote, kindly consider this statement by Srila Prabhuada!
"I may say some things to you, but when
I say something directly to you, you do it! Your first duty is to do that, you
can not argue, 'Sir, you said like this to me before', no, that is not your
duty. What I say now you do it, that is obedience. You can not argue!"
[SP, SB lecture, Hyderbad, 14-4-75]
Padmagarbha Dasa ACBSPActually, in the video I just posted Srila Prabhupada states that "When the pure devotee declares something, the Lord will make certain that it will come to pass". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylc5T4Yb610 And in 1973 Srila Prabhupada declared that "within" 50 years [by 2023] "Everything will be finished!"Prabhupada: [...] So how long you can cheat people? For hundred, two hundred, thousand years, but you cannot cheat for all the time.Umapati: It has been going on from time immemorial.Prabhupada: Eh?Umapati: ...cheating, it has been going on from time immemorial. I guess they figure they can just keep going on for time immemorial.Prabhupada: No time immemorial. You are being cheated for two hundred, three hundred years, that's all. Not before that. All these scientist rascals, have come out within two hundred years. That's all.Umapati: Oh, really?Prabhupada: So you are being cheated for the last two hundred years, not for thousands of years. So it will be finished. Within another fifty years, everything will be finished.
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Bhakta Robin
Bhakta Robin
Padmagarbha Das
Mukunda accuses me of simply projecting/exposing my own fears when
recommending others to move to farms to avoid suffering in the
future. So what, even if that is part of my reason, the fact remains,
total economic collapse and WW3 are imminent, and those who
don't make some arrangements to get out of harm's way, they soon
will come to deeply regret it!
Mukunda proudly keeps
pointing out that he already lives away from the city and that he is
well prepped, while he not only mocks those of us who call on
ALL to do the same, but he also accuses us to lack the faith in Lord
Krsna giving us protection and providing the needful. He should
practice what he preaches and stop prepping, heck he
should demonstrate his convictions by giving away his prepping
items to the poor and homeless in his vicinity.
Back to
"what is the deadline". In 1973 Srila Prabhupada said
that "within 50 years everything will be finished".
That is by 2022! He told Mahabuddhi that in his lifetime the
city of Atlanta will be without people, and Yogeschandra dasa
told me that in his presence Srila Prabhupada said, "I feel
sorry for my disciples, within their lifetime they will have to
suffer World War 3".
Well, practically all of Srila
Prabhupada's disciples [certainly the ones he likely was referring to
on that day] we are all in our late sixties, and early seventies.
So, the time is short, very short!
Padmagarbha Das
Mo., 15. Feb., 19:51 (vor 2 Tagen)
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Actually, in the video I just posted Srila Prabhupada states that "When the pure devotee declares something, the Lord will make certain that it will come to pass". And in 1973 Srila Prabhupada declared that "within" 50 years [by 2022] "Everything will be finished!"
Prabhupada: [...] So how long you can cheat people? For hundred, two hundred, thousand years, but you cannot cheat for all the time.
Umapati: It has been going on from time immemorial.
Prabhupada: Eh?
Umapati: ...cheating, it has been going on from time immemorial. I guess they figure they can just keep going on for time immemorial.
Prabhupada: No time immemorial. You are being cheated for two hundred, three hundred years, that's all. Not before that. All these scientist rascals, have come out within two hundred years. That's all.
Umapati: Oh, really?
Prabhupada: So you are being cheated for the last two hundred years, not for thousands of years. So it will be finished. Within another fifty years, everything will be finished.
—Morning Walk at Cheviot Hills Golf Course -- May 15, 1973
Padmagarbha Das
00:54 (vor 13 Stunden)
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Narasimha dasa, just a few comments and questions regarding your post.
You say that there are NO Prabhupada communities in America. What do you consider constitutes a 'community', how many devotees, how many families? And I assume by "Prabhupada" communities you mean "ritvik" communities?At the present I am aware of about a half a dozen individual attempts by "ritvik" devotees to start a community, with some of them several decades in the making.
The difficulty with any of those growing into larger, viable communities is that there are not very many ritvik devotees, and among those almost none appear to have any inclination to make any major changes in their living circumstances [like leaving the cities, their jobs, etc.].And speaking from my limited experience , most of the ritviks I am aware of, they are all quite advanced in age, all with not too distant an expiration date.
You asked, "what is the deadline? What is a good time to make the move? " Although better late than never, the deadline has long passed!
Prabhus like Dharmagosa and Varaha have been working towards self-sufficiency for more than two decades, yet they both still have a long way to go. Being actually self-sufficient means exactly what it says, being fully independent of any outside supplies, including all grains [rice, etc'] sugar, salt, spices, clothing, and so on, even utilities, electricity, propane, etc. And perhaps even being able to not be dependent on that monthly Government/Social Security check.As you say, <Yes devotees already know they should get out of the cities and go to a devotee community>. They have known this for many, many decades, Srila Prabhupada unequivocally had told us to do so!
Myself and others are being accused of engaging in "fear porn" when shining a light on how bad things are, and how much worse they are going to get in the not so distant future. And yes, certainly speaking for myself, I am guilty as charged! As I said, Srila Prabhupada already made it very clear that he wanted His disciples, especially the grhastas, to move to the farms, and there develop self-sufficiency, however, due to strong attachments, and/or lack of faith, but also a lack of intelligence but a very small percentage have answered that clarion call by Srila Prabhupada.
My motive in continually reminding the devotees [and even karmis I know] to what lies right ahead [always backed up by what Srila Prabhupada said], is in part to 'scare' them into action. The fact is fear is one of the most primal factors in motivating living entities into action.Srila Prabhupada said that four kinds of people turn to God: 1. those in search of knowledge, 2. those who are curious, 3. those who have material desires, and 4. those in distress [or fear of impending distress]. The latter being the least intelligent and the most numerous of the four.
There is a Chinese proverb that states, "To believe and not to act, is not to believe." Perhaps another way of saying it is, "To understand and not to act, is to not understand", basically not to act in face of imminent danger is to be less intelligent.
"When there is imminent danger, an intelligent person should try to avoid the dangerous position as far as possible. But if, in spite of endeavoring by all intelligence, one fails to avoid the dangerous position, there is no fault on his part. One should try his best to execute his duties, but if the attempt fails he is not at fault." [ Krsna Book, chap. I ]
Mukunda accuses me of simply projecting/exposing my own fears when recommending others to move to farms to avoid suffering in the future. So what, even if that is part of my reason, the fact remains, total economic collapse and WW3 are imminent, and those who don't make some arrangements to get out of harm's way, they soon will come to deeply regret it!
Mukunda proudly keeps pointing out that he already lives away from the city and that he is well prepped, while he not only mocks those of us who call on ALL to do the same, but he also accuses us to lack the faith in Lord Krsna giving us protection and providing the needful. He should practice what he preaches and stop prepping, heck he should demonstrate his convictions by giving away his prepping items to the poor and homeless in his vicinity.
Back to "what is the deadline". In 1973 Srila Prabhupada said that "within 50 years everything will be finished". That is by 2022! He told Mahabuddhi that in his lifetime the city of Atlanta will be without people, and Yogeschandra dasa told me that in his presence Srila Prabhupada said, "I feel sorry for my disciples, within their lifetime they will have to suffer World War 3".
Well, practically all of Srila Prabhupada's disciples [certainly the ones he likely was referring to on that day] we are all in our late sixties, and early seventies. So, the time is short, very short!
Bhakta Robin
Padmagarbha Das
Gokularanjana das Prabhu memories vol 3 tape 44
With his cane Srila Prabhupada pointed to the skyline and said, ‘Do you see this city? This city and all cities will collapse very soon. Do you know why?’ Everyone hesitated, wondering. But Tamal Krishna quickly said, ‘Because the people here don’t know how to grow food.’ Srila Prabhupada said, ‘Yes.’ Growing food is the whole purpose of our farm communities and we are still trying to grasp their importance.”
Letter to Kurusretha, 23rd July, 1973
“Yes, the city will be more dangerous place as Kali-yuga advances. It will be very deteriorating. The modern civilization is so corrupt and as sinful activities are more and more committed, the people will be forced to face more troubles, by natures order. Our business, however is to simply take shelter of the Hare Krsna maha-mantra and pray to the holy name to give us protection.
Morning Walk, Delhi, November 29, 1975
Civilization will collapse very soon, all over the world. It will collapse. Either you bring this 'ism' or that 'ism', this civilization will collapse. People will become mad, being harassed in so many ways. When one is harassed in so many problems, he commits suicide. So that position is coming.”