Mallotus rhamnifolius

bharathi raja

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Oct 15, 2018, 4:47:54 AM10/15/18

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Hi All

Found in Auroville Botanical Garden.

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Tapas Chakrabarty

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Oct 15, 2018, 6:46:49 AM10/15/18

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I think the identity is correct.

On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 2:17 PM bharathi raja <vm.bhar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi All
Found in Auroville Botanical Garden.

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J.M. Garg

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Oct 16, 2018, 1:22:22 PM10/16/18

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Thanks, Bharathi ji

On Mon 15 Oct, 2018, 2:17 PM bharathi raja, <vm.bhar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi All
Found in Auroville Botanical Garden.

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Saroj Kumar Kasaju

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Oct 17, 2018, 2:05:44 PM10/17/18

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Yes to me.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

J.M. Garg

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Oct 21, 2018, 4:19:32 AM10/21/18

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Marking a copy to the poster.

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Ushadi Micromini

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Oct 21, 2018, 5:48:24 AM10/21/18

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what does rhamnifolius mean

i cant find the translation

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Tapas Chakrabarty

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Oct 21, 2018, 6:18:16 AM10/21/18

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rhamnifolius = Rhamnus-like leaves.

Saroj Kasaju

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Oct 21, 2018, 6:39:58 AM10/21/18

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Thorny / Prickly ??

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Tapas Chakrabarty

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Oct 21, 2018, 6:49:55 AM10/21/18

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Neither thorny nor prickly.

Ushadi Micromini

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Oct 21, 2018, 9:38:04 AM10/21/18

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rhamnus= is all greek to me, :)

thanks Tapas da

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Tapas Chakrabarty

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Oct 21, 2018, 10:24:13 AM10/21/18

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Yes Ushadi,

The origin is Greek only, with mutations we now get Raphanus, Rhamnus and so on without any apparent meaning! Possibly Dinesh ji will be able to say better.

Saroj Kasaju

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Oct 21, 2018, 10:32:08 AM10/21/18

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Thank you Tapas Da !

Saroj Kasau

Saroj Kasaju

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Oct 21, 2018, 10:33:59 AM10/21/18

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Any relevance to this meaning ??

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Rhamnus

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

Tapas Chakrabarty

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Oct 21, 2018, 12:37:38 PM10/21/18

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Thank you Saroj ji,

You have shown us the real meaning.

I checked the same with the vocabulary in Botanical Latin by Stearn but no meaning is given as such but it is shown how it got mutated from Greek and adopted subsequently in Latin.

With renewed thanks.

Saroj Kasaju

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Oct 21, 2018, 12:56:05 PM10/21/18

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Thank you Tapas Da !

Saroj Kasaju

Ushadi Micromini

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Oct 21, 2018, 9:54:41 PM10/21/18

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thank you Saroj ji

i had seen /read that wiki,

but question remains

since rhamnifolius = leaves like rhamnus

googling for" Rhamnaceae leaves"

rhamnaceae does not have any unique leaves

we get this right at the top

they can even be small flat leaves or transformed into thorns!!

i qoute.... from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhamnaceae

" Leaves of Rhamnaceae family members are simple, i.e., the leaf blades are not divided into smaller leaflets.^[2] Leaves can be either alternate and spiraling, or opposite. Stipules are present. These leaves are modified into spines in many genera, in some (e.g. Paliurus spina-christi and Colletia cruciata) spectacularly so. Colletia stands out by having two axillary buds instead of one, one developing into a thorn, the other one into a shoot. " end quote

Does this mallotus leaf do all that?????

so wisdom of the person giving this mallotus a name perhaps had something special in mind?

or was in a rush, and this is all he could think of..

we will never know

until someone renames it more logically and is accepted, I will have to accept it, faults and all.

thanks

iti

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Ushadi Micromini

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Oct 21, 2018, 10:05:54 PM10/21/18

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OR

may be if someone who is studying the life history of Mallotus rhamnifolius

sees these sort of variations or transformations of the leaves

OR

if the original paper describing the name be traced and translated from its latin, it could show us the reason

Art , science and rhetoric in/of botany is very interesting

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