Capparaceae and Cleomaceae Fortnight : Crataeva religiosa : Mumbai : 030913 : AK-1

[Aarti S. Khale]

Sharing flowers & fruits of Garlic Pear Tree or Sacred Barna from Mumbai.

Flowers seen at VJBU on 31/3/09, fruits seen at MNP on 22/4/13.

Aarti 

[Rathinasabapathy Bhuvaragasamy]

Beautiful pictures. Thanks for sharing.

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[Aarti S. Khale]

Rathinasabapathy ji,

Thank you.

Regards,

Aarti

[Balkar Singh]

Aarti ji C. religiosa is not an Indian plant. It can be C adansonii ssp odora. Experts may comment please as I may be wrong

Regards

Dr Balkar Singh
Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology & 

Horticulture Incharge
Arya P G College, Panipat
Haryana-132103
09416262964

[Aarti S. Khale]

Thanks for the correction Balkar ji.

Let us wait for experts to validate.

Regards,

Aarti

[Satish Phadke]

I have also heard about different names for these Crateva species. A clear understanding post is necessary from some expert.

Dr Satish Phadke

[Aarti S. Khale]

Satish ji,

I hope Shrikant ji or Neil ji can be of help.

Regards,

Aarti

[Shrikant Ingalhalikar]

Crateva religiosa G.Forst. has leaves acuminate; berry 5 cm, ovoid, brown. Habitat is not riparian. .

Crateva adansonii DC.has leaves abruptly acuminate; berry 3 cm, globose, whitish. Habitat riparian

Both occur in western Maharashtra and both can be in a garden, but looking at fruit and leaves of Jijamata Garden plant it would be C. relogiosa. Regards

[Aarti S. Khale]

Shrikant ji,

Thanks a lot for your feedback and id confirmation.

Regards,

Aarti

[Rashmi Khiani]

Thanks a lot Aarti ji and all for the interesting discussion. Liked
your pics very much, I am yet to see the flowers of this tree. I had
posted a plant sometime back which was ided as Crataeva religiosa:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/crataeva$20religiosa/indiantreepix/YGEHg_NE_Ng/vPekVxerLHkJ

Kind regards, Rashmi

[Gurcharan Singh]

It would be interesting to explore further. Second volume of  Flora of India published in 1993 describes both C. adansonii subsp.odora and C. religiosa. All characters seem to be similar even leaves in C. religiosa are tapering to abruptly acuminate (abruptly acuminate in subsp. odora). The only significant difference is fruits being orange-yellow turning red in latter (subsp. odora) and grey to brown in C. religiosa.

   I have clicked photographs of tree from Delhi that has flowers on both leafless shoots and those with leaves, fruits orange to red. The is very similar to above. Both may be C. adansonii subsp. odora

Gurcharan Singh

[Neil Soares]

Hi,

 Crataeva religiosa is a tropical African species not found in India. The 2 species found here are :

 

-C. tapia Linn a small tree with ovoid fruit.

- C.tapia Linn.ssp.odora [C.adansonii] a medium-sized tree with globose fruit.

The other main difference have been elucidated in this link ;

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!searchin/indiantreepix/Crataeva$20tapia$20Neil$20Soares%7Csort:relevance/indiantreepix/zh3Olhdxtag/R_WsX6hhlTkJ

 Please also check this link :

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!searchin/indiantreepix/Crataeva$20tapia$20Neil$20Soares%7Csort:relevance/indiantreepix/MqNOc3s6_4k/WG3elo7JIUsJ

                                     With regards,

                                        Neil Soares.

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Dr Balkar Singh
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[Gurcharan Singh]

Flora of India vol. 2 published in 1993 does not mention C. tapia subsp. odora, perhaps because they had not gone through Almeida's publication of 1990, but The Plant List includes this as synonym of C. adansonii subsp. odora. Pradip Kishen in Trees of Delhi also recognises C. adansonii subsp. odora.

GRIN records updated in 2010 record C. religiosa from India, Japan, Indo-China and Australia whereas C. tapia is restricted to N America and S. America.

Gurcharan Singh 

[Aarti S. Khale]

With all this discussion, I am now confused.

Which is my Crataeva?

Aarti

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