VoF Week :: DV :: 03 AUG 12 - 1231 :: faded blue flowered herb along Hemakund - Ghangaria trail

[Dinesh Valke]

3 AUG 12 Hemakund - Ghangaria trail ... about 13500 ft

Dear friends, ID please. Habitat: mountain slope Habit: small herb, about 50 - 60 cm high; flower about 8 - 10 mm across (not sure)

Regards. Dinesh

[Dinesh Valke]

... and a few metres away ...

Regards.
Dinesh

[Gurcharan Singh]

Perhaps a Primula sp.

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[anzarak]

A wild guess: Primula macrophylla

[Dinesh Valke]

Thank you very much Gurcharan ji and Anzar ji for the probable ID.
Regards.
Dinesh

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[jmgarg1]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Perhaps a Primula sp.- from Singh ji.
A wild guess: Primula macrophylla- from Anzar ji.
My Similar pictures can be seen in another thread: https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topicsearchin/indiantreepix/group:indiantreepix$20AND$20primula$20AND$20author:jmg...@gmail.com/indiantreepix/4jAeUy20c7s

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[jmgarg1]

Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please.

Some earlier relevant feedback:

Perhaps a Primula sp.- from Singh ji.

A wild guess: Primula macrophylla- from Anzar ji.

My Similar pictures can be seen in another thread:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topicsearchin/indiantreepix/group:indiantreepix$20AND$20primula$20AND$20author:jmg...@gmail.com/indiantreepix/4jAeUy20c7s from J.M.Garg

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Date: 1 September 2012 00:55
Subject: [efloraofindia:127731] VoF Week :: DV :: 03 AUG 12 - 1231 :: faded blue flowered herb along Hemakund - Ghangaria trail
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[jmgarg1]

Hi, Dinesh ji,

Appears as Primula macrophylla only as per another thread:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/6Z0W_vzx6KY

[chrischa...@btinternet.com]

I consider this has been correctly identified but apply a slightly different name drawing attention to the unpublished research of Professor Arve Elvebakk, University of Tromso, Norway (Curator of Tromso Arctic-Alpine Botanic Garden).  The PRIMULA MACROPHYLLA (sensu lato - meaning in the broad sense) COMPLEX has troubled botanists and specialist growers for more than a century.

 

Elvebakk has recognised a separate taxon/species Primula meeboldii (honouring the German botanist who first collected pressed specimens of this on high passes in Ladakh in the 19th Century).  It has pinkish flowers and occurs in Ladakh and some other regions.  Hopefully the full details will be published in the not-too-distant future.

 

Anyhow, I am in support of the separation of P.meeboldii at species level, along with P.macrophylla sensu stricto (in the strict sense) and Primula moorcroftiana as separate species.

 

The image taken probably fits with what I currently consider to be Primula macrophylla* (syn. Primula macrophylla var. macrophylla).  I have observed both P.macrophylla and P.moorcroftiana on the Rohtang.  P.moorcrotiana is mostly found from 4000-4500m (I have not been higher but it may well grow at higher altitudes) whereas P.macrophylla is mostly found between 3000-3600m.

 

I have found Primula macrophylla sensu stricto to vary a lot - so may well be subdivided at some point but the plant photographed in the VOF is not Primula moorcroftiana nor P.meeboldii nor matches the unknown(s) in Kashmir.

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Chadwell ji

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[Dinesh Valke]

Thank you very much Chadwell ji for validating the ID, and for related information.

Regards.

Dinesh

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:22 AM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, Chadwell ji

[C CHADWELL]

Dear Dinesh

The narrow foliage of the plant you photographed does not match the more typical leaves of Primula macrophylla (as I am calling it) [

Primula macrophylla var. macrophylla] but I have observed similar on specimens found at some 3000m on the Rohtang Pass

in HP.

Clearly, all taxa within the PRIMULA MACROPHYLLA COMPLEX vary a good deal and in time may be subdivided/separated further. 

At times one just has to say, "that is the best/most I can say at present".

The more close-ups we get of these Primulas the better we can understand them.  Please be sure to take close-ups of the leaves next

time including undersides.  This would help.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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Thank you very much Chadwell ji for validating the ID, and for related information.

Regards.

Dinesh

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 10:22 AM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, Chadwell ji

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[Dinesh Valke]

Thanks dear Chadwell ji. I understand the ID is probable, the best candidate based on the aspects afforded by the pictures.
Regards.
Dinesh

On Nov 11, 2016 10:37 AM, "C CHADWELL" <chrischa...@btinternet.com> wrote:

Dear Dinesh

The narrow foliage of the plant you photographed does not match the more typical leaves of Primula macrophylla (as I am calling it) [

Primula macrophylla var. macrophylla] but I have observed similar on specimens found at some 3000m on the Rohtang Pass

in HP.

Clearly, all taxa within the PRIMULA MACROPHYLLA COMPLEX vary a good deal and in time may be subdivided/separated further. 

At times one just has to say, "that is the best/most I can say at present".

The more close-ups we get of these Primulas the better we can understand them.  Please be sure to take close-ups of the leaves next

time including undersides.  This would help.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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From: Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com>
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

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