FOR VALIDATION :: Ammannia baccifera L. :: Waghbil, Thane, Maharashtra :: Sep 27, 2008 · JUN23 DV106

[Dinesh Valke]

Ammannia baccifera L. ... FOR VALIDATION Waghbil, Thane, Maharashtra :: Sep 27, 2008 · 2:08 PM IST :: about 3 m (10 ft) asl

Regards. Dinesh

[Saroj Kasaju]

I guess the ID is correct.

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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[Dinesh Valke]

Thanks, Saroj ji.

Regards.

Dinesh

[Saroj Kasaju]

OK Dinesh ji.

Thank you

Saroj Kasaju

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Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[Gurcharan Singh]

Dinesh ji, need to know differences between A. baccifera and A. aegyptiaca before we decide ID of this also. 

[Dinesh Valke]

Many thanks, Gurcharan ji.

I have attempted to make some notes from the internet.

Most of the sites have merged - ssp. aegyptiaca with ssp. baccifera - thus was difficult to find separate descriptions.

Here below I have listed the differences briefly ...

Ammannia baccifera ssp. baccifera
cymes peduncled
epicalyx minute
capsule exceeding calyx tube

Ammannia baccifera ssp. aegyptiaca
cymes sessile-subsessile
epicalyx horn-like
capsule included within the calyx


Here below are descriptions cited from two sites ...
Ammannia baccifera ssp. baccifera
Kerala Plants
Erect annual herbs to 40 cm tall; stem 4-angled or more or less winged. Leaves simple, decussate, sessile, 2-6 x 0.5-0.8 cm, linear to elliptic, apex acute, base attenuate, chartaceous. Cymes dischasial, axillary. Flowers 4 or 5-merous, perigynous; pedicels c. 2 mm long. Calyx tube 1-2 mm long, campanulate; lobes 4, 1-1.5 mm long, triangular. Petals absent. Stamens 4; filaments c. 0.5 mm long. Ovary 1 mm in diam., globose, 4-5-locular; ovules many; stigma capitate. Capsule 1.5-2 mm across, globose, exceeding calyx tube; seeds brownish, concavo-convex.

The genus Ammannia L. (Lythraceae) in Egypt
Erect or procumbent, branched herbs, up to 40 cm high; leaves narrow oblong-lorate, 3-4 cm length, 0.6-0.8 cm width; leaf base at lower leaves attenuate, at upper leaves obtuse or cuneate; cymes peduncled, lax; flowers pediceled; hypanthium 1-1.5 mm length and width, ribs obscure; epicalyx minute; petals absent; stamens 4, yellow; capsule reddish yellow, 1-1.5 mm diameter, exceeding hypanthium, style length up to 0.5 mm; seeds 0.5 mm, brownish.

Ammannia baccifera ssp. aegyptiaca
Kerala Plants
Annual herbs, often red, erect or ascending, simple or branched, 2-80 cm tall; stems 4-angular or ± winged. Leaves opposite, 0.7-7 x 0.15-1(-1.6) cm, linear to elliptic, narrowed to the apex, narrowed to a cuneate base or obtuse or subcordate. Cymes (1-)3- many-flowered, ± lax to dense; peduncles 1 (-2) mm long; pedicels 1-2.5 mm long; bracteoles linear-lanceolate. Calyx-tube turbinate-campanulate, 1-2 mm long; lobes 4, broadly triangular, 1-1.5 mm long; intermediary appendages absent or very inconspicuous. Petals absent. Stamens 4, as long as the calyx-lobes or shorter. Ovary globose, 0.7-1.2 mm in diameter; style 0.1-0.3 mm long. Capsule globose, 1-2.5 mm in diameter, 1/2-3/4 included within the calyx; seeds brownish, concavo-convex, 0.4 mm in diameter.

The genus Ammannia L. (Lythraceae) in Egypt
Erect, branched herb, stem suffruticose at the base, up to 40 cm high; leaves lorate, 4-6 cm length, 0.6-0.8 mm width, with obtuse-cuneate bases; cymes sessile-subsessile with dense, glomurate flowers; hypanthium 1-1.5 mm length and width, ribs obscure, epicalyx horn-like; petals absent, stamens 4, yellow; capsule reddish yellow, 1.5-2.0 mm diameter included in the hypanthium.

In this posted observation of Ammania baccifera,

I see peduncled cymes;

and the leaf base as attenuate-cuneate, compared to ssp. aegyptica which has a sub-cordate base.

Regards.

Dinesh

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Thanks Dinesh ji for hunting out differences,

[Dinesh Valke]

Thanks very much, Gurcharan ji.

I will wait for those who are familiar with genus Ammannia for the sake of their study, to validate this ID.

I have suggested ID based merely on my thinking.

Regards.

Dinesh.

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Time to think again. If these images by Dinesh ji, and his on FOI are really Ammania baccifera, then what are my images from Morni Hills?

https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/hkFxpcb_o8k?hl=en

Mine are very similar to Ammania baccifera on Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammannia_baccifera, 

  

[Prof. Dr. Santhosh Kumar Rajamani]

A useful preliminary guide to identifying members of the genus,  Ammannia aquatic plant is the characteristic opposite (decussate) arrangement of leaves, a feature shared with many aquatic and semi-aquatic plants, possibly representing an evolutionary optimization for maximizing light capture under water. The plants are further distinguished by their slender, often quadrangular stems, which in many species acquire a striking reddish or purplish hue, particularly under strong light conditions.

Among the Indian representatives, Ammannia baccifera is especially distinctive. The specific epithet baccifera derives from Latin, meaning “berry-bearing” (bacca = berry, ferre = to bear). True to its name, this species bears numerous bright red, sessile, berry-like capsules that are attached directly to the stems without pedicels. These conspicuous fruits, along with the reddish stems, make A. baccifera relatively easy to recognize in the field.

Concise Diagnostic Key (common Indian Ammannia species)

A. baccifera – Reddish stems; numerous sessile, berry-like capsules along the stems.

A. multiflora – Flowers in dense terminal or axillary clusters; capsules smaller and not berry-like; stems usually greenish.

A. auriculata – Leaves with conspicuous auricles (ear-like lobes) at the base; flowers solitary or few; stems often purplish.

Regards 

Dr Santhosh Kumar Rajamani 

Aquatic plant enthusiast

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[efloraofindia:449242] FOR VALIDATION :: Ammannia aegyptiaca Willd. :: Waghbil, Thane, Maharashtra :: Sep 27, 2008 · JUN23 DV102

Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com>: Sep 24 06:15AM -0700

Time to think again. If these images by Dinesh ji, and his on FOI are really Ammania baccifera, then what are my images from Morni Hills? https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/hkFxpcb_o8k?hl=en Mine are very similar to Ammania baccifera on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammannia_baccifera,

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[efloraofindia:449240] FOR VALIDATION :: Ammannia baccifera L. :: Waghbil, Thane, Maharashtra :: Sep 27, 2008 · JUN23 DV106

Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com>: Sep 24 06:09AM -0700

Time to think again. If these images by Dinesh ji, and his on FOI are really Ammania baccifera, then what are my images from Morni Hills? https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/hkFxpcb_o8k?hl=en Mine are very similar to Ammania baccifera on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammannia_baccifera,   On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 10:02:08 PM UTC+5:30 Dinesh Valke wrote:

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Sam Kuzhalanattu <samkuzh...@gmail.com>: Sep 24 02:27PM +0530 Nice image and great work dear Dinesh ji, thank you for sharing. Regards, Sam.

Dinesh Valke <dinesh...@gmail.com>: Sep 24 05:58PM +0530 Thanks very much, Sam ji, for the appreciation. Regards. Dinesh   On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 2:27 PM Sam Kuzhalanattu <samkuzh...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[J.M. Garg]

Hi, Singh ji,

Do not get distracted by the Wikipedia image (which may not be correctly identified and may be some Rotala species as per https://efloraofindia.com/efi/rotala/).

Your post is of Ammannia aegyptiaca Willd., if we go by the differences posted by Dinesh ji.

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