Mansoa alliacea :: Puducherry :: 16 OCT 19

[Dinesh Valke]

Puducherry  near sea coast Date: October 16, 2019 ... Altitude range: about 0 - 3 m (0 - 10 feet) asl

Mansoa alliacea  (Lam.) A.H.Gentry

Regards. Dinesh

[ushadi]

garlic vine

i love this color

looks spectacular in the morning sun

Regards

Ushadi

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[Dinesh Valke]

Thank you Usha di.

Regards.

Dinesh

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[Mahadeswara]

ID is correct.  It is very common in Mysore city .  Please check my article on this plant in Star of Mysore at :  : https://starofmysore.com/the-garlic-vine-an-amazing-vine-from-the-wilderness-of-amazon/

[Dinesh Valke]

Thanks very much Mahadeswara ji for link to your article. Quite informational. About name in Kannada or any language in India where it is planted as an ornamental, it can be christened as literal translation of "garlic vine". In Marathi, the name is लसूण वेल lasun vel !! Many names in other parts of world too, are so !

Regards.

Dinesh

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[Promila Chaturvedi]

It is not Lahsun bel.

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[Dinesh Valke]

Thanks Promila ji. May be I am mistaking.

Let us wait for comments.

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Dinesh

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[M Swamy]

Of course there is a look alike plant  with  few minor differences. But I am not able to provide the details right now.  Nevertheless, the simple test for ID is the leaves when crushed (by hands) smell like garlic. 

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[Dinesh Valke]

We will wait for comments, Mahadeswara ji.

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Dinesh

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[M Swamy]

That's correct Dinesh ji.

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[Aarti S. Khale]

Dinesh Ji, Mahadeswara Ji,
This seems to be Saritaea magnifica.
The Glow Vine.
And not the Garlic Vine.
Regards,
Aarti

[ushadi]

AArti

what featrues differentiate Saritaa magnifica from the garlic vine

in these two photographs?

thanks

Regards

Ushadi

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[Dinesh Valke]

Thanks very very much Aarti ji for pointing to correct ID. Will correct my notes as soon as possible, tomorrow.

Usha di ... The stems (of Saritaea magnifica) are almost round in cross-section, and are marked with longitudinal stripes. Wikipedia.

I can see that in the second posted pic.

Here is a cropped version of where it can be seen as described. Photo quality not good.

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Dinesh

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[Dinesh Valke]

Many thanks to Promila ji too for bringing the error to notice.

Regards.

Dinesh

[ushadi]

Thank you, Dinesh

I do see it now

thats scientific

but I wanted to know from Aarti and Promila

they are gardeners

i would like to know what does a gardener see in these two pictures that gave them the differences.

it would help all non-botanists... like me

thanks

 

Regards

Ushadi

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[M Swamy]

One need to check all the characters (vegetative & reproductive )  before arriving at the final ID on the posting by Dinesh ji .  Let us wait for the comments from other learned members of the group, as well.   Nevertheless, the article on which I have written is  Garlic vine only.  Meanwhile, I request Dinesh ji to post few more photos, if available.

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[Mahadeswara]

Attn. Usha Di ,

I am surprised to note that you are a non-botanist  with a sound knowledge of botany , especially Taxonomy !

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Thank you, Dinesh

I do see it now

thats scientific

but I wanted to know from Aarti and Promila

they are gardeners

i would like to know what does a gardener see in these two pictures that gave them the differences.

it would help all non-botanists... like me

thanks

 

Regards

Ushadi

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 11:50 PM Dinesh Valke <dines...@gmail.com> wrote:

Many thanks to Promila ji too for bringing the error to notice.

Regards.

Dinesh

On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 11:47 PM Dinesh Valke <dines...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks very very much Aarti ji for pointing to correct ID. Will correct my notes as soon as possible, tomorrow.

Usha di ... The stems (of Saritaea magnifica) are almost round in cross-section, and are marked with longitudinal stripes. Wikipedia.

I can see that in the second posted pic.

Here is a cropped version of where it can be seen as described. Photo quality not good.

Regards.

Dinesh

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AArti

what featrues differentiate Saritaa magnifica from the garlic vine

in these two photographs?

thanks

Regards

Ushadi

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Dinesh Ji, Mahadeswara Ji,
This seems to be Saritaea magnifica.
The Glow Vine.
And not the Garlic Vine.
Regards,
Aarti

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[Aarti S. Khale]

Dinesh Ji,

You are always welcome!

Regards,

Aarti

[Aarti S. Khale]

Usha Di,

I'm not good at describing the minute differences, nor am I a gardener.

I just relate to plants.

The flowers and leaves here are much larger, and flowers are few, unlike a cluster of flowers in Garlic Vine.

http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Garlic%20Vine.html 

http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Glow%20Vine.html 

Regards,

Aarti

[ushadi]

Thanks a lot. AArti

but that is a recipe for making mistakes

in this case you were correct, Though

but i have seen large clusters of flowers in a garlic vine in a botanical garden of repute

it was labelled

Regards

Ushadi

[Dinesh Valke]

Those are the only two photos I have Mahadeswara ji.

Personally, I now believe that the plant must be Saritaea magnifica ... synonym of Bignonia magnifica.

Regards.

Dinesh

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[ushadi]

Mahadeswara ji

you will be correct in your inference

I am NOT a botanist

I believe in being scientific, that's all

but also humanistic and believe in ANEKANTAVAAD

which says many opinions may be// are going to be.... correct, so respect all opinions.

so I keep an open mind .

but my students will tell you i am a task master and say that they love me !!!

go figure.:)  :)

A task master who is loved????

I am also a Physician

and good at differential diagnosis

insist on it

otherwise the patients will suffer

And that' s also  me.

And as far as botany is concerned

I also believe that the Earth is evolving continuously

hence what was described a hundred  or two hundred years ago may not hold true now  !!!

like the tree line moving up the mountains and glaciers disappearing

so nothing is written in stone.

etc etc

Regards

Ushadi

[Aarti S. Khale]

That's exactly what I meant. 

Garlic Vine has flowers in clusters, unlike the one posted above.

Probably you did not read my mail.

Regards, Aarti

[Dinesh Valke]

Dear Mahadeswara ji, your article shows garlic vine, there is no doubts about that.

Regards.

Dinesh

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[ushadi]

i read everything carefully

and i also responded that :

but i have seen large clusters of flowers in a garlic vine in a botanical garden of repute

it was labelled

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Ushadi

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[ushadi]

good description

https://www.inaturalist.org/guide_taxa/75140#ref5

Regards

Ushadi

[M.Swamy]

    I am posting pictures of Garlic vine and Glow vine   from my place .  Photos taken by me.  Glow vine  is a compact vine that may be shaped into a large shrub,  while  Garlic vine is a  hardy climber.  

[M.Swamy]

Pl check this link for Glow vine. :https://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/SARITAEA_MAGNIFICA.htm 

Further, my article sent earlier is correct .  It is related to Garlic vine only.   The photographs posted by Dinesh ji  also look like Garlic vine, perhaps clicked during the lean season or at the end of the season.  That is why we see few flowers. . 

[Dinesh Valke]

Dear Mahadeswara ji,

I re-iterate that your article and pictures that it has, are indeed of garlic vine.

Aspects of my posted plant do not match those of garlic vine in three respects at the least:

1) leaves and branches of posted plant are not pendulous as seen in garlic vine,

2) the leaf venation of posted plant matches to that of glow vine, and clearly different from that of garlic vine.

3) stem of posted plant is not lenticellate. Stems of garlic vine are clearly with lenticels.

Regards.

Dinesh

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[M Swamy]

Thanks Dinesh ji. You have verified all the characters unlike me, realli  a well researched  info. 

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[Dinesh Valke]

Thanks very much, Mahadeswara ji.

Regards.

Dinesh

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[ushadi]

Mahadeswara ji

your pictures of the glow vine show the leaves and the requisite diagnostic features of Saritaea magnifica

toptropicals pictures are of nice flowers but except for one of his pictures where i see a faint diagnostic criteria

i dont see anything that's conclusive

but he and his wife are ardent plant lovers so he must be doing good survey though his pictures dont show it in this case.

There is no doubt your garlic vine is it, though i would have loved to have seen the venation in its leaves and the tendrils.

Regards

Ushadi

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[ushadi]

final say would be for future

if anyone is photographing these vines/shrubs

that may be the garlic vine or not...

just smell the flower or crush one leaf and small

when i do something like that , i ask the owner/ guard etc. and if they are unwilling, i just rub the leaf and small

end of story

if you had garlic smell when you photographed the specimen

its garlic vine and its relatives in the  Mansoa group.

next pay attention to the leaves, venation, both sides

climbing: tendrils

non climbing :  if mature plant ...will definitely : no tendrils

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Ushadi

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