Allium species from Rajasthan

[Pravir Deshmukh]

Dear Member, 

Please help in identification of Allium species collected from the Rajasthan.

The Bulb is having itching effect if comes in contact to human body. 

Location: Radiyawas, Rajasthan (60 km from the Ajmer)

Area : Forest are having scrubby vegetation. 

Habitat: Hill Slopes with low soil depth 

Thanks and Regards

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प्रविर कृष्णराव देशमुख

[Darshan Kokate]

Dear Pravirji it may be bulb of Drimia spp regards Darshan Koakte

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance  please.

Some earlier relevant  feedback:

it may be bulb of Drimia spp regards Darshan Koakte

Drimia species so far in efi

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[Ushadi Micromini]

Gargji and Pravir who submitted this case...

I have been wondering about this bulb, first rejected the case  as no data in no data out kind of case ... but it lingered in my consciousness ... more as a a challenge..  since ....Deep in the recesses of memory it said its the gout medicine bulb... very poisonous.

itching is common when crystals are readily available to effect skin... such as in roots/fingers of Gloriosa lily and autumn crocus... COLCHICINE is the culprit...

But the member who submitted this gave no other information...

was it looked for by him or was it accidental discovery
or
did some local farmer or laborer or a student bring it to his attention ????

was someone poisoned???

...such details are important ...to know and must accompany the case when submitted ...   Then it would not have perhaps languished  in unknown territory for seven days...!!!!!

Back to my memory bank and question arose:  would it grow in Rajasthan a desert state?

googling got me the answers to my memory recesses and the desert question

Its most likely the Autum crocus or meadow saffron... flowers lack the magenta stigma of true saffron crocus flowers.


This is most likely Colchicum autumanle or Colchicum lueum  ....family Colchicaceae of Liliales order.

c. autumnale is  found in Eur-asian regions...

the bulb referred to in old vernacular Ayurvedic books is Colchicum luteum..

Ancients knew of it, to use as a herbal remedy for gout...

and even the bible has a quote about it...

I quote ...

The desert and the parched land will be glad; the wilderness will rejoice and blossom. Like the crocus, it will burst into bloom; it will rejoice greatly and shout for joy. Isaiah 35:1-2 - "" end quote

and Ayurveda calls it Hiranyatuttha see book 

Indian Herbal Remedies: Rational Western Therapy, Ayurvedic and Other ...

  by CP Khare

i need to run,   cant type up the vernacular books names citations etc etc    etc ... you have to search yourself...

very toxic, behaving as arsenic and other toxins, no known antidote per wikipedia.

Hope this helps

Usha di


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Usha di
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[Ushadi Micromini]

any response from Pravir?

Silence  when I give opinion bothers me.

Even if you disagree tell me

tell me why

that would be  science

no matter if you agree or not

collegiality is expected

if any personal problem, tell me I'll understand

but....

usha di

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[Pravir Deshmukh]

Dear Ushadi,

Sorry for the delayed reply.

The plant is from Rajasthan and during this seasons no leaf and flowers are available. The impact on human was given by a local person and he didn't allow me to touch the bulbs.
The locals also not using this for any medical preparation.

The Colchicum sp. are mostly from the Himalayan region and having small bulb. This bulb is of various size and resembles like white big onion.

Hope the above information will help in identifying the plant species.

Thanks and Regards

Pravir Deshmukh

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From: Ushadi Micromini
Sent: 20-02-2016 AM 04:36
To: J.M. Garg; Ushadi Micromini
Cc: efloraofindia; Pravir Deshmukh
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:239466] Allium species from Rajasthan

[Pravir Deshmukh]

Dear Mr. Kokate, 

Thanks for the id. 

Checked online and the plant is Drimia indica. 

Regards

Pravir

On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Darshan Kokate <darsha...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Pravir sending  images of  Drimia -onions in all stages of development regards Darshan Kokate

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