Delphinium sp. ABMAY01/01

[Ashwini Bhatia]

I found this in the under storey on my way back in the afternoon. The light was poor and I could not take good photographs. I will visit the plant again and take better photos in a day or two. It looks like a Delphinium but I am not sure of the species. Please advise.

Delphinium denudatum?

Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP

1750m

1 May 2015

Thanks.

Ashwini

[Gurcharan Singh]

I think yes Delphinium denudatum

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[Ushadi Micromini]

looks like it in pics on th e net

Gurcharanji

wiki says it grows at 8000 to 12000 feet

is it found in lower regions?

since Ashwini has photographed it, it obviously must, so is it a first sighting at lower ranges?

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Dr Singh and Ushadi. I was confused about the leaf shape as the FOI site shows leaves of a different size and shape. But I haven’t seen the base of the plant to verify properly. FOI says it is found 1500m and above but says flowering occurs June to August.  Here is what Oleg Polunin &Stainton say in Flowers of the Himalaya;

And Col Collett in Flora Simlensis;

So we are alright with the altitude and the flowering time taking it collectively. I will try and photograph the base and the flowers properly tomorrow if the weather holds.

Regards,

Ashwini

On 01-May-2015, at 8:15 pm, Ushadi Micromini <micromi...@gmail.com> wrote:

looks like it in pics on th e net

Gurcharanji

wiki says it grows at 8000 to 12000 feet

is it found in lower regions?

since Ashwini has photographed it, it obviously must, so is it a first sighting at lower ranges?

usha di

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Gurcharan Singh <sing...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think yes Delphinium denudatum

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089

http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ 
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/

On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com> wrote:

I found this in the under storey on my way back in the afternoon. The light was poor and I could not take good photographs. I will visit the plant again and take better photos in a day or two. It looks like a Delphinium but I am not sure of the species. Please advise.

Delphinium denudatum?

Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP

1750m

1 May 2015

Thanks.

Ashwini

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

I revisited the plant today and took several photos for record.

Thanks.

Ashwini

On 01-May-2015, at 11:05 pm, Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com> wrote:

Thank you Dr Singh and Ushadi. I was confused about the leaf shape as the FOI site shows leaves of a different size and shape. But I haven’t seen the base of the plant to verify properly. FOI says it is found 1500m and above but says flowering occurs June to August.  Here is what Oleg Polunin &Stainton say in Flowers of the Himalaya;

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And Col Collett in Flora Simlensis;

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[Ushadi Micromini]

Ashwini:
personally i would go with Polunin , only because he did the survey in late 20th century\

and he went with a team of dedicated photographers and I think if i am not mistaken with mappers..

He says the upper leaves are cut into 3 to 5 mm wide lobes, which your plant  has...

and the flowers are delphenium, and  correlate well with the description.
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and the good old Col collett

many more decades before that

and god only knows who collected specimen for him and who drew his line drawings for him?

not all draftsmen they employed then were scientifically trained.

You have to read all those Plant Hunters books to develop a jaundiced eye for their

scientific reliability.

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i am hoping the Col is correct and you'll find the lower leaves
 to match the ones in his bw line drawings

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I wrote this  a week or so ago

and draft saved
loadshedding of electricity!!!

 i forgot in the current family  week 's cases

but  i still feel the same  as when i wrote it so sending it

always read the old books except by Bentham or trained botanists
 sent to india by east india co/... with  a jaundiced eye

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[Gurcharan Singh]

Ashwini ji

Here is my plant of D. denudatum from Naukuchia Tal with flowers resembling yours and basal  leaf resembling FOI, and partially yours (which are not basal most)

Dr. Gurcharan Singh

Retired  Associate Professor
SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007
Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018.
Phone: 011-25518297  Mob: 9810359089

http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ 
http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/

[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Dr Singh for sharing your images. We certainly have the same species.

Thank you Ushadi for your advice. I always try and refer to a few different sources before writing on the forum and then follow the advice from the experts here.

Warm regards,
Ashwini

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And Col Collett in Flora Simlensis;

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[Ushadi Micromini]

Gurcharanji and Ashwini

so these white splotches on the leaves present both your pictures from
Dharamshala and Nukuchia Tal
 is a characteristic of the leaves in this case?

or do other delpheniums have them?

usha di

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

I am not sure Ushadi if these spots are characteristic. I will leave it for Dr Singh to answer. Here is phone photo of another delphinium leaf I photographed on Saturday. May be spots develop as the leaf matures.

I have a lot of material to share but am very busy at the moment. I will try and write this evening.

Regards,

Ashwini

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[Ushadi Micromini]

Ashwini

there is never any hurry at all

take your time

and never any pressure

be well

usha di

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

We have lost the plant I photographed last year due to the rerouting of water pipes on that area. I was quite distressed to find no other plant on the mountain paths despite looking carefully. Today, however, that changed and I found a lone plant with one flower at first. Later I found three other plants with four or five flowers on each and was happy. Here are some photographs. I just realised that in my excitement I didn’t think of photographing the basal leaves but I will correct that soon and visit that area in the next few days.

Delphinium denudatum—Jadwar, Larkspur

Above Dal Lake, Dharamshala, HP

2000m approx.

22 May 2016

Thanks.

Ashwini

On 11 May 2015, at 09:25, Ushadi Micromini <micromi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ashwini

there is never any hurry at all

take your time

and never any pressure

be well

usha di

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com> wrote:

I am not sure Ushadi if these spots are characteristic. I will leave it for Dr Singh to answer. Here is phone photo of another delphinium leaf I photographed on Saturday. May be spots develop as the leaf matures.

I have a lot of material to share but am very busy at the moment. I will try and write this evening.

Regards,

Ashwini

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[J.M. Garg]

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[Nidhan Singh]

Nice....!!!

I first saw this plant at Chakrata, a span elapsed to see it again, but I think this is not rare, as I first imagined..

Thanks for sharing, and a plant lover feels happy to find a new or uncommon plant, I have a large number of taxa with me with either flowering or fruiting individuals wanted..thanks Ashwini Ji..!!

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[Anil Thakur]

Beautiful photographs and nuce details.

[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Nidhan Singh ji. I am happy to hear that this plant is not becoming scarce. Perhaps they thrive on slopes away from the paths and I see so few of them.

Regards,
Ashwini

[gurinder goraya]

There is now a very high demand for its roots, known in trade as 'Jadwar' and locally 'Nirbishi' for making some anti-cancer(?) formulation. Unless it comes in cultivation its sighting will soon become rarer.

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[Anil Thakur]

One of my students gave me one dried root (Jadwar) of this plant at
Solan. It is used on dog bites by locals. Also attaching two
photographs of Delphinium denudatum.

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[Ushadi Micromini]

Thank you Ashwini for finding more plants

the leaves bloches?

and Nidhan , Gurinder and ANil for new information and pictures.

ANil I am surprised the root is so thick or so it seems  several years' worth of growth

i imagine?  SInce garden grown delpheniums are considered to be anuuals.

may be if garden is undisturbed they come back from the roots after the snow is gone.

Ashwini so now you task is increased !!!

i am still interested in those blotches on the "Lower"  leaves.

My new question is about the seed pods .and possibility of collecting seeds

for conservation efforts .

usha di..

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Dr Goraya. I have always been of the opinion that plants should be cultivated and not collected in the wild for medicines required commercially. Wild plants can only sustain a small local population without dwindling in numbers irreparably. Hopefully good sense will dictate formation of a law prohibiting commercial exploitation of all wild plants.

Regards,
Ashwini

[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Anil ji for the information and the photographs. I will ask around here if the plant is put to such use as well.

Regards,
Ashwini

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

Thank you Ushadi. I missed the leaves yet again. I am planning to walk there again soon and make photos of the basal leaves and also to check if some seeds have already formed. I will report back in a week’s time.

Regards,

Ashwini

[Ashwini Bhatia]

I managed to go for a hike this afternoon and photographed basal leaves of two different plants and seeds on one. Here they are for reference;

Thanks.

Ashwini

[Anil Thakur]

Beautiful clicks, Ashwini ji

[Ushadi Micromini]

so the white marks are definitely part of its life.

and the seed pods are similar to those of garden variety larkspurs.

may be you get some when they ripen?

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

I would love to spread these if I know the correct procedure. I will need advice from experts here.

Thanks.

Ashwini

On 27 May 2016, at 20:06, Ushadi Micromini <micromi...@gmail.com> wrote:

so the white marks are definitely part of its life.

and the seed pods are similar to those of garden variety larkspurs.

may be you get some when they ripen?

usha di

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 10:40 PM, Anil Thakur <aniltha...@gmail.com> wrote:

Beautiful clicks, Ashwini ji

On May 25, 2016 10:19 PM, "Ashwini Bhatia" <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com> wrote:

I managed to go for a hike this afternoon and photographed basal leaves of two different plants and seeds on one. Here they are for reference;

Thanks.

Ashwini

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[Ushadi Micromini]

look up how to plant garden variety of delphenium seeds

and since this a "weed" a spontanoeous wild  species

it may be even easier to propagate

only thing you may have to research is do the seeds need drying and then cold stratified?

i just dont know
People   just buy seeds and start them indoors when it as still snow outside and then plant them out after the fear of frost was over mainly mid to late may

dont know if the seeds we bought were already cold treated ot not.

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

I found two flowers and a bud on the same location where the new water pipes were laid and I had little hope of ever seeing these again at that spot (I had noticed and photographed the basal leaves there in early March though) . I am happy to report that a plant survived and I photographed it to share today.

Delphinium denudatum

Above Mcleodganj, Dharamshala, HP

1800m approx.

23 April 2017.

Thanks.

Ashwini

Beautiful clicks, Ashwini ji

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[Anil Thakur]

Beautiful pictures indeed

Regards

[Ashwini Bhatia]

On my walk the day before yesterday I found these white Delphiniums. I think they are D. denudatum only but please correct me if I am making a mistake.

Above Dal Lake, Dharamshala, HP

1850m approx.

29 April 2017.

Thanks.

Ashwini

On 23 April 2017 at 15:27, Ashwini Bhatia <ash...@ashwinibhatia.com> wrote:

Thank you very much Anil Thakur ji!

Regards,

Ashwini

[J.M. Garg]

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[Ashwini Bhatia]

In this plant the leaves are clearly visible so I am posting here for reference.

Thanks.

Ashwini

[Anil Thakur]

Beautiful clicks, Ashwini ji

It's tuberous roots are known as JADWAR in trade. 

Regards

[Anil Thakur]

Both shades at the same place

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Ashwini ji.