Information on Snow Mountain Garlic from Kashmir_RKC_24122018

[Ritesh Kumar Choudhary]

Dear all,

I shall be grateful if you let me know the correct identity of the Snow Mountain Garlic. You can get more information in the last paragraph of the attached paper.

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Ritesh

[J.M. Garg]

Forwarding again for Id assistance please.

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[Anil Thakur]

Bulbs of Fritillaria cirrhosa (Syn.Fritillaria roylei ) are also known as Jangli Lahsun.

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[Anil Thakur]

It occurs in snow bound areas at an altitude if more than 3000 m.

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[Anil Thakur]

Dr. Ritesh ji
I think, your enquiry is regarding embedded link in your mail and Fig. 12 in the attached paper. These small-sized garlics are basically bulblets attached to large bulbs of a cultivar commonly grown in H.P. and J&K. Here in H.P., it is known as dawayee wala lahsun. I think, it is cultivar of Allium sativum. I'll post some photographs from my collection.

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Thanks, Anil ji.

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[Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur]

Respected Garg Ji
I am attaching a photograph of the bulb and bulblets of the plant
embedded in the link. These are home grown at my place in Hamirpur
(H.P.) at an altitude of 700m. These small bulblets are sold at hill
stations as medicinal garlic for rheumatic pains.

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On 1/16/19, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Anil ji.
>
> On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 00:43, Anil Thakur <aniltha...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Dr. Ritesh ji
>> I think, your enquiry is regarding embedded link in your mail and Fig. 12
>> in the attached paper. These small-sized garlics are basically bulblets
>> attached to large bulbs of a cultivar commonly grown in H.P. and J&K.
>> Here
>> in H.P., it is known as dawayee wala lahsun. I think, it is cultivar of
>> Allium sativum. I'll post some photographs from my collection.
>>
>> Regards
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[Ritesh Kumar Choudhary]

Dear Anil Ji,

Thank you so much for the information.

Regards,

Ritesh

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[Anil Thakur]

On searching for single clove garlic, I came across the following interesting literature:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50-Elephant-Garlic-also-Rocambole-Single-teeth/202548494041

https://www.thegarlicfarm.co.uk/growing/blog/all-about-elephant-garlic

https://greenharvest.com.au/Plants/Information/ElephantGarlic.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_garlic

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Single-Clove-Garlic-Solo-Garlic-Heirloom-Herbs-from-Thailand-10-100-Bulbs-/281484706501

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50-Elephant-Garlic-also-Rocambole-Single-teeth/202548494041

And it appears to be  Allium ampeloprasum var. ampeloprasum. Thorough study is required for knowing the real identity of this very costly garlic. It sells @Rs. 1000/- per kg in H.P.  I have never seen it in flowering at my home. Leaves are similar to ordinary garlic.

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[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Anil ji, for the wonderful efforts. 

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[Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur]

Welcome, Sir

Regards 

[Ritesh Kumar Choudhary]

Many thanks, Anil Ji, for exploring it further. All the given links refer to elephant garlic (A. ampeloprasum) which does not have distribution in the Himalayas. Also, the images on the web do not match with our garlic. We need to explore more.

Thanks again for your efforts.

Best regards,

Ritesh

[Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur]

Dr. Sahab, it is cultivated garlic in H.P. and J & K. So, there will be no distribution records in NW Himalaya. 

Regards 

[Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur]

Dr. Ritesh ji, have you got phoyographs of your plant ?

Kindly share.

Regards 

[Ritesh Kumar Choudhary]

Dear Anil Ji,

Thanks for your mail. I just got some bulblets which are similar to the image shared by you. 

Regards,

Ritesh

[Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur]

We are cultivating this at my place. I'll share photographs of plants in vegetative state. I have never seen this in flowering. 

Regards

[Ritesh Kumar Choudhary]

Great! I shall wait for your mail.

Regards,

Ritesh

[Ushadi Micromini]

Gargji i am getting this in this thread

 

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[J.M. Garg]

Yes, I also got this and ignored. I think wrongly marked by Google as suspicious. 

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[Ushadi Micromini]

ok so safe to open that paper?

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[ashutoshsharma11sn]

Yes I also agrees with Anil Thakur sir it's looks to be Allium ampeloprasum var. ampeloprasum (Elephant Garlic). I have also this species in cultivation at my home. Will add its images soon.

Best regards
Ashutosh Sharma

[Ashutosh Sharma]

Here are some images attached.

Best regards 

Ashutosh Sharma 

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[Dr. Anil Kumar Thakur]

Beautiful images, Ashutosh ji

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[Ashutosh Sharma]

Thanks Anil Thakur ji.

Best regards 

Ashutosh Sharma 

[Ushadi Micromini]

Ashutosh

thats wonderful set of your garden growth.

i think the last picture reminds me of a vegetable we eat in the west a lot, usually in soup...

the leeks  ie  leeks (A. ampeloprasum) 

and its not any  fritillaria

i used to have them in one of my gardens. their bulbets donot look like the one lahsun i got from kasmir once. 

the kasmiri lahsun looked like what Anil showed here a few entrees above.

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[ashutoshsharma11sn]

Thanks Ushadi.

Yes, the last image looks to you much like Leek because I have uprooted/harvested this plant much before its bulb formation actually we harvest them in April/May when the they got developed into a large bulb which may encloses 2-3 bulbs inside, while the images shared by Anil ji is of smaller cloves which are always present outside the large bulb and have hard shells.

Also Leek is very closely related to Elephant Garlic and also harvested before bulb formation so my last image looks like Leek plant.

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Ashutosh Sharma

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Ashutosh ji 

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[Ushadi Micromini]

ah, well!

thank you

so now you know what i am going to ask???😉

if you could please show us the bulbs and the bulblets in due course at the proper harvest time.

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