Rosa sericea Lindl. (accepted name) ???

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Members,

Location: Jomsom, Mustang, Nepal

Altitude:  9000 ft.

Date: 22 April 2013

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Nice images,  Saroj ji

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Members,

Location: Kuri, Dolkha, Nepal

Altitude: 10000 ft.

Date: 26 July 2014

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks,  Saroj ji

[chrischa...@btinternet.com]

These images are of Rosa sericea - which varies a good deal.  The forms found in the Upper Kali Gandaki, Mustang District of Nepal in more arid 'Tibetan Borderland' conditions can look substantially different to those growing in wetter, monsoonal climes.

Flora of Mustang (2008) says gravelly or sandy place, especially near streams @ 2700-4000m.  I came across this rose near Jomsom during my first visit to Nepal in 1990. Initially, I wondered if this was a form of Rosa webbiana. 

The images at the bottom of this page, taken in another part of Nepal show the broad-based, blood-red spines of what is known as var. pteracantha.  This variety is in cultivation in the UK where the reddish, spiny stems are ornamental in the winter especially on sunny days.   The flowers of Rosa sericea are not particularly showy.

I have assorted images of this species which I may post at some point.

[chrischa...@btinternet.com]

Further to my recent post which applied ONLY to the last 4 of the 6 images.   I think you will find that the first 2 belong not only to a different specimen but not Rosa sericea?

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 2:35:04 PM UTC, Saroj Kumar Kasaju wrote:

[J.M. Garg]

Thanks, Chadwell ji.

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[Saroj Kasaju]

I guess it is my oversight. First two pictures are apple flower.

Apology for confusion.

Thank you Chris !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:48 AM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, Chadwell ji.

[C CHADWELL]

OK.  Flora of Mustang records Malus baccata 'Siberian Crab Apple' from mixed

forest or open grassland @ 2000-3500m with a specimen seen between

Kagbeni & Muktinath (2800-3650m).

Presumably the first two images are of this?

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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Subject: [efloraofindia:260564] Re: Rosa sericea Lindl. (accepted name) ???

I guess it is my oversight. First two pictures are apple flower.

Apology for confusion.

Thank you Chris !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:48 AM, J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks, Chadwell ji.

On 4 January 2017 at 06:51, chrischadwell261@btinternet. com <chrischadwell261@btinternet. com> wrote:

Further to my recent post which applied ONLY to the last 4 of the 6 images.   I think you will find that the first 2 belong not only to a different specimen but not Rosa sericea?

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 2:35:04 PM UTC, Saroj Kumar Kasaju wrote:

Dear Members,

Location: Jomsom, Mustang, Nepal

Altitude:  9000 ft.

Date: 22 April 2013

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

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With regards,
J.M.Garg

'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna'

Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia. 

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[Saroj Kasaju]

I guess these are from plantation not wild !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:39 PM, C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com> wrote:

OK.  Flora of Mustang records Malus baccata 'Siberian Crab Apple' from mixed

forest or open grassland @ 2000-3500m with a specimen seen between

Kagbeni & Muktinath (2800-3650m).

Presumably the first two images are of this?

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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[Saroj Kasaju]

Nepali Names : भोटे गुलाफ Bhote Gulaaf / दारिमपाते Daarimapaate / खरौटे Kharaute / ह्रयूली Rhyuli / जंगली गुलाफ  jangali Gulaaf 

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com> wrote:

I guess these are from plantation not wild !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:39 PM, C CHADWELL <chrischadwell261@btinternet.com> wrote:

OK.  Flora of Mustang records Malus baccata 'Siberian Crab Apple' from mixed

forest or open grassland @ 2000-3500m with a specimen seen between

Kagbeni & Muktinath (2800-3650m).

Presumably the first two images are of this?

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>
To: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>

Cc: "chrischadwell261@btinternet.com" <chrischadwell261@btinternet.com>; efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>

[C CHADWELL]

As to 'apples' in Nepal.

Flora of Mustang only lists Malus baccata but may well have omitted cultivated

plants.

An Enumeration of the Flowering Plants of Nepal lists Malus baccata, Malus pumila [syn. M.domestica] (

as widely cultivated but only noted from 'West' Nepal) and M.sikkimensis.

Flowers of Himalaya list M.baccata and M.sikkimensis with M.domestica 'Apple' being grown in the middle

hill villages, particularly in the valleys of Kulu and Kashmir.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

To: C CHADWELL <chrischa...@btinternet.com>
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indian...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 5 January 2017, 9:40
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:260564] Re: Rosa sericea Lindl. (accepted name) ???

[Saroj Kasaju]

Dear Chris,

It is from apple farm not wild ! 

Thank you 

Saroj Kasaju 

On 6 Jan 2017 05:28, "C CHADWELL" <chrischa...@btinternet.com> wrote:

As to 'apples' in Nepal.

Flora of Mustang only lists Malus baccata but may well have omitted cultivated

plants.

An Enumeration of the Flowering Plants of Nepal lists Malus baccata, Malus pumila [syn. M.domestica] (

as widely cultivated but only noted from 'West' Nepal) and M.sikkimensis.

Flowers of Himalaya list M.baccata and M.sikkimensis with M.domestica 'Apple' being grown in the middle

hill villages, particularly in the valleys of Kulu and Kashmir.

Best Wishes,

Chris Chadwell

81 Parlaunt Road 
SLOUGH
SL3 8BE
UK

www.shpa.org.uk

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From: Saroj Kasaju <kasaj...@gmail.com>

To: C CHADWELL <chrischadwell261@btinternet.com>
Cc: J.M. Garg <jmg...@gmail.com>; efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>

Sent: Thursday, 5 January 2017, 9:40
Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:260564] Re: Rosa sericea Lindl. (accepted name) ???

I guess these are from plantation not wild !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[chrischa...@btinternet.com]

This illustrates the importance of indicating if the images posted are from plants being cultivated or growing wild.   One cannot

always tell from one or two close-ups of the flowers - no images of habit or habitat were provided.

As I always say, the more information/clues provided the better.

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 2:35:04 PM UTC, Saroj Kumar Kasaju wrote:

[Saroj Kasaju]

ID Pending !

Thank you.

Saroj Kasaju

[J.M. Garg]

Looks different from images of Rosa sericea

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